Comments Welcome Videoslots: Lower RTP for UK, Sweden, Germany & Others

[Tirilej]

Or they could keep the freerolls and apply 15x wagering on all freespins. Some may not be happy with that, but when the alternative is shaving the RTP of major providers then it's simply a far better alternative.

There's dozens of things Videoslots could have done to keep the RTP as it should be, but no...a 50% income boost for them and 50% less playing time for their loyal customers seems to be what they want.

I sincerely hope this becomes Videoslots fall from grace. When you change your policies from a player focused casino with players in mind to one focused on money with profits in mind then you should get what is deserved.

They can't do that since they will lose the Swedish market if they do. We are not allowed to use bonuses, so having wager on freespins is not an option.

I would certainly hate if they cut us off. For now I simply won't play those games, and I again lost a lot of trust in them.

 

[Chipkin9]

They can't do that since they will lose the Swedish market if they do. We are not allowed to use bonuses, so having wager on freespins is not an option.

I would certainly hate if they cut us off. For now I simply won't play those games, and I again lost a lot of trust in them.

I wouldn't mind then if they applied 15x wagering to all jurisdictions where it is legal to do so and offered Sweden wager free ones if it meant they could still maintain that market.

They could give sweden wager free spins, but all other jurisdictions where wagering is required could have had a higher delivery of freespins to thier accounts to balance things. There are always ways around things to keep the majority happy

 

[dunover]

Are they cutting the special affiliate RTP's too?

 

[Nate]

They can't and won't remove the 'Freebies' they offer. It is a huge draw card for them.

They try to sell it like it's the most phenomenal product on the market, yet you can spend tens of thousands and be thoroughly shafted by them. They are not reward friendly to big players - period.

I love the way they love to dress everything and claim that they have improved their rewards, its actually the complete opposite. Videoslots staff are drilled to tell players they are getting value, so much so, even if its not true, the staff have begun to believe the fable they are selling.

Re: Chat - That's what you call censorship. Shutting the chat because you don't want players to spread the word - Frankly disgusting and cheap from them. You can go low, but stooping to a level of censorship to prevent players from spreading the TRUTH is indicative of the morals these guys have.

Nate

 

[Sonict]

Even if the VS chat was working. The chat T & C already had rules related to saying things like the RTP sucks, mentioning other casinos that are good, complaining that the site also sucks, etc...

It is strange for sure that the chat isn't working, but it is a million times better than when it was. It is like wading through YouTube comments. A Cesspool!

 

[xexe]

It wouldn't be about saying the RTP sucks, it would just be informing people that they lowered the RTP, seeing as VideoSlots themselves chose to not say it anywhere but on a forum (and through planted news that nobody saw unless they checked back in time).

 

[steveh35]

They need to hire Dan again to sort the place out

This all happened when a certain streamer gave away too many free spins and bankrupted VS. I wonder who that could have been

 

[BosjeR]

True, forgot about that, ignore what I said

 

[dunover]

For clarity the OP has asked I add 'Videoslots' to the title.

Now reads: "Videoslots: Lower RTP for UK, Sweden, Germany & Others"

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Here's my take on it....

 

[Sonict]

It wouldn't be about saying the RTP sucks, it would just be informing people that they lowered the RTP, seeing as VideoSlots themselves chose to not say it anywhere but on a forum (and through planted news that nobody saw unless they checked back in time).

The news was not "Planted". I saw that news article on the day it was posted in the VS news a few weeks ago. I remember checking the forum here and seeing if anyone was commenting about it. I saw nothing so I assumed it wasn't a big deal as I thought it would be.

 

[colinsunderland]

I believe the opposite, that freerolls are exactly what needs to be cut. Anything that adheres to players that don’t generate revenues should be cut and whatever retention campaigns are focused on your loyal and profitable customers need to be more visible and deemed as important to those, or need to be changed/cut as well.

Freerolls typically just drive traffic, but not necessarily depositors. Maybe the costs are not high and thus not really impactful, but free money and casinos are two terms combined that cause a lot of headache.

Theres getting close to 2000 people in freerolls sometimes. Thats 2000 people who have deposited 20 min (so 40k in deposits) and wagered roughly 500, so a million wagered. Thats minimum as I'm sure most people don't just deposit 20 over 2 weeks and qualify every week. They are also unique and are a draw for the site. I would be amazed if they cut the freerolls. I could see the weekend ones going at some point, or at least them being on 10p slots only, but the main freerolls are unlikely to go anywhere. If they did remove them there would be nothing left to get people playing there. Other casinos offer as quick or almost as quick withdrawals (and do you really need it in 5 minutes as opposed to a couple of hours?) and offer match offers and free spins (usually with wagering).

 

[xexe]

The news was not "Planted". I saw that news article on the day it was posted in the VS news a few weeks ago. I remember checking the forum here and seeing if anyone was commenting about it. I saw nothing so I assumed it wasn't a big deal as I thought it would be.

Ok, in that case they still kept it like that for 3 weeks without telling UK players. If it wasn't planted, then this Swedish version of the article was released 7th of february:

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- Check the date.

They lowered the RTP without providing any information at all to UK players for 3 weeks, that's almost worse than planting articles.

 

[steveh35]

I think RTP should be mandatory on any game screen and UKGC should tell casinos to display it.

 

[Sonict]

@xexe In a way, it is worse, but the thing is: No casino has ever told you when they have lowered RTP on slots. Not a single one would post a thing like this. VS at least gave a general idea of what they did, but it was done very poorly. VS could have not mentioned anything as I have never heard of any casino needing to say to players that they have lowered / raised the RTP. It isn't a requirement or a regulation to tell the players that this happened.

 

[xexe]

@xexe In a way, it is worse, but the thing is: No casino has ever told you when they have lowered RTP on slots. Not a single one would post a thing like this. VS at least gave a general idea of what they did

...no they did not. They absolutely did not. Somebody on here randomly found out and as soon as they did, they shut down their chat to try to censor it. That's literally the opposite of "giving you the general idea of what they did", they told nobody and are now actively trying to suppress the information.

 

[Sonict]

VS did tell players: In the news section as mentioned on the site. As for chat not working, how do you know that is related to censoring it? Sure it happens just when people found out, but tech issues can happen at any time including times that are at the worse possible time like now.

 

[xexe]

VS did tell players: In the news section as mentioned on the site. As for chat not working, how do you know that is related to censoring it? Sure it happens just when people found out, but tech issues can happen at any time including times that are at the worse possible time like now.

...but we just came to the conclusion that they didn't, didn't we? If the news weren't planted, they still had it like this for 3 weeks before telling UK players. And the chat is working, they shut it down. You'd have to be the most gullible human on earth if you think it "bugged itself" the moment their RTP scam became public.

Can you find me one single other accredited casino that lowered their RTP without telling players?

 

[colinsunderland]

@xexe In a way, it is worse, but the thing is: No casino has ever told you when they have lowered RTP on slots. Not a single one would post a thing like this. VS at least gave a general idea of what they did, but it was done very poorly. VS could have not mentioned anything as I have never heard of any casino needing to say to players that they have lowered / raised the RTP. It isn't a requirement or a regulation to tell the players that this happened.

No other casino has stated they will always use the highest RTP available or use the forum for as much promotion as Videoslots either. Why would players check the game files when Videoslots have stated in the past they will always use the higher one?

@ChopleyIOM Jan @ L&L is a man

@Team.Videoslots What dates did the RTP change for each country?

 

[Nate]

No other casino has stated they will always use the highest RTP available or use the forum for as much promotion as Videoslots either. Why would players check the game files when Videoslots have stated in the past they will always use the higher one?

@ChopleyIOM Jan @ L&L is a man

@Team.Videoslots What dates did the RTP change for each country?

But Affiliates aren't important - not unless you can use an affiliate platform to boost your brand?

Nate

 

[dunover]

To summarize Chopley's video -

The reduction from 96.21 down to 94.25% will REDUCE your average turnover/playtime for any given session by 34%.

The effects of RTP reduction are exponential.

House edge up 2% for VS on Book Of Dead = your average playtime down 34%.

 

[Sonict]

VS is an exception in regards to saying that they always use the highest RTP, but when it comes to telling players and this applies to any casino in general: No requirement that they "must" let players know that the RTP on the slots have changed. The matter of if the news was "planted" makes no difference in this case.

Can you find me one single other accredited casino that lowered their RTP without telling players?

It has been rumored that the RTG sites of CasinoMax / Roaring21, etc... first used an RTP setting of 95%, but then dropped it to 91% as when that group used to be part of Club World, they used the 91% RTP as well. Granted on those slots since regulations is lax, there is no RTP mentioned anywhere.

As for in general. I have never heard of a casino mentioning that they lowered RTP and told players about it. If it happens, it would be done silently. It would be rare that this ( In terms of RTP being lowered ) has been done IMO.

 

[dunover]

I would also suggest that failure to notify your customers/members (who after all when signing up to a casino agree to the T&C's and product conditions at that time) of a change in value of the said product, or part thereof, would be in breach of UK consumer protection.

This is why every business like say eBay, PayPoo, Neteller etc. send you lengthy e-mails every time your terms or product is amended in any way.

I would suggest again that if in the UK this can be deemed a SIGNIFICANT change to the product you are using and therefore deserves notification. Never mind the regulator, this would certainly IMO fall under consumer protection which overrides the UKGC anyway as it's contained within statutes.

Put it this way, if you had spent and lost 100 quid on BoD BEFORE realizing the original product had been altered, and not been notified of the change, you'd have a pretty good case in a civil action.

VS should have had a little pop-up over any relevant games opened up in the affected jurisdictions to allow players to make a considered choice on whether to continue.

 

[xexe]

VS is an exception in regards to saying that they always use the highest RTP, but when it comes to telling players and this applies to any casino in general: No requirement that they "must" let players know that the RTP on the slots have changed. The matter of if the news was "planted" makes no difference in this case.



It has been rumored that the RTG sites of CasinoMax / Roaring21, etc... first used an RTP setting of 95%, but then dropped it to 91% as when that group used to be part of Club World, they used the 91% RTP as well. Granted on those slots since regulations is lax, there is no RTP mentioned anywhere.

As for in general. I have never heard of a casino mentioning that they lowered RTP and told players about it. If it happens, it would be done silently. It would be rare that this ( In terms of RTP being lowered ) has been done IMO.

You've never heard of it because it rarely happens. You're bringing up rumors, but most casinos with lower RTP has always had low RTP. You should check RTP when you first start playing somewhere, you should not have to check RTP regularly every day on a casino that you've been playing on at a certain RTP. I've never in my life heard of a casino lowering their RTP without telling anybody, and it seems that you haven't either (other than "rumors").

 

[trancemonkey]

I would also suggest that failure to notify your customers/members (who after all when signing up to a casino agree to the T&C's and product conditions at that time) of a change in value of the said product, or part thereof, would be in breach of UK consumer protection.

This is why every business like say eBay, PayPoo, Neteller etc. send you lengthy e-mails every time your terms or product is amended in any way.

I would suggest again that if in the UK this can be deemed a SIGNIFICANT change to the product you are using and therefore deserves notification. Never mind the regulator, this would certainly IMO fall under consumer protection which overrides the UKGC anyway as it's contained within statutes.

Put it this way, if you had spent and lost 100 quid on BoD BEFORE realizing the original product had been altered, and not been notified of the change, you'd have a pretty good case in a civil action.

VS should have had a little pop-up over any relevant games opened up in the affected jurisdictions to allow players to make a considered choice on whether to continue.

It wouldn't fall under UK consumer protection law. All the information the player needs is available to them before they bet.

 

[xexe]

It wouldn't fall under UK consumer protection law. All the information the player needs is available to them before they bet.

Could you also change the conditions of a subscription service just before charging the monthly fee and then saying "the information was in the updated contract. Should've refreshed the page every hour"?

 

[dunover]

It wouldn't fall under UK consumer protection law. All the information the player needs is available to them before they bet.

It should be READILY available. Anyway that's not the real point here, rather the fact an existing detail that affects the value of the product has been changed without notification to the consumer.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

@ChopleyIOM Jan @ L&L is a man

Oops!

To summarize Chopley's video -

The reduction from 96.21 down to 94.25% will REDUCE your average turnover/playtime for any given session by 34%.

The effects of RTP reduction are exponential.

House edge up 2% for VS on Book Of Dead = your average playtime down 34%.

Yeah it's a big hit, and as I point out in the video, it's a change that'll really make itself felt cumulatively over multiple sessions.

TBH I think the RTP should be displayed on the main game screen at all times, right next to the SPIN button or something like that.

 

[colinsunderland]

It wouldn't fall under UK consumer protection law. All the information the player needs is available to them before they bet.

It would when they have regularly advertised (posts on here) that their RTP is ALWAYS set at the highest setting available.
I agree it wouldn't if they hadn't made statements like that.

 

[dunover]

The general premise of UK Consumer Laws is that the potential buyer should be availed of all details relevant to the purchase and product and usage thereof. Obviously this can be complex in the case of insurance products, financial products but far simpler if they pertain to a TV or can of beans. Advertising is pretty similar. In the case of dynamic products (like a change to insurance, financial services etc.) the purchaser should be made aware of any crucial changes to the original terms or product itself.

Now I think a 34% drop in average turnover for a slot game is pretty bloody significant!

Now given that the casinos are pretty quick to make the consumer aware of things such as new races, bonuses or additions to their range of games, surely the player should be informed about changes to their service or product that may be not be as well received?

Yes, casinos offer hundreds of products in the form of slot games but they as the vendor are responsible for availing you of the relevant info. For example your local supermarket may offer a box of washing powder that was once 1kg for £1.99 but is now 900g. Look at the shelf and you'll see the price-per-kg listed as £1.10 as opposed to the £1 it was previously.

What VS are doing is the casino equivalent of the above example of 'product shrinkage' here. Fine, but let's make sure the consumer or casino member is clearly aware of it. As Chopley pointed out, this was not the case with the reduced RTP slots.

 

[shadow123]

Wonder when VS will restore the battle chat,pathetic preventing non cm players not finding out about the change.
Bloody grow up, if the changes had to be made just make sure all players are aware.

 

[Nate]

Wonder when VS will restore the battle chat,pathetic preventing non cm players not finding out about the change.
Bloody grow up, if the changes had to be made just make sure all players are aware.

That's their style - when they shafted their affiliates, they did something similar. They removed the ability to check our stats and claimed they were 'improving' it to be transparent.

That took all of 2 years during which time they sneakily introduced an admin fee - Then pretended like nothing happened and restored the stats. Ask @KasinoKing

Nate

 

[DreamRJ]

Wonder when VS will restore the battle chat,pathetic preventing non cm players not finding out about the change.
Bloody grow up, if the changes had to be made just make sure all players are aware.

There is a well known sentence that easily explains why they are doing this...... "Damage Limitations"

 

[Chipkin9]

I would also suggest that failure to notify your customers/members (who after all when signing up to a casino agree to the T&C's and product conditions at that time) of a change in value of the said product, or part thereof, would be in breach of UK consumer protection.

This is why every business like say eBay, PayPoo, Neteller etc. send you lengthy e-mails every time your terms or product is amended in any way.

I would suggest again that if in the UK this can be deemed a SIGNIFICANT change to the product you are using and therefore deserves notification. Never mind the regulator, this would certainly IMO fall under consumer protection which overrides the UKGC anyway as it's contained within statutes.

Put it this way, if you had spent and lost 100 quid on BoD BEFORE realizing the original product had been altered, and not been notified of the change, you'd have a pretty good case in a civil action.

VS should have had a little pop-up over any relevant games opened up in the affected jurisdictions to allow players to make a considered choice on whether to continue.

Shhhh. With talk like that you'll have them getting another fine and reducing the RTP to the 91% one

 

[L&L-Jan]

@ChopleyIOM Jan @ L&L is a man

Had a look this morning to be sure, I can confirm, still male

When I had to do the regulatory return for the MGA last week I could actually filll in Gender X for particular demographic questions. That thought started following me, so to be sure I had another look. I can still confirm I'm a male!

Just to confirm, so you dont have to lookup each game individually
We took IGT on the middle level of RTP. So that means most games are between 95% and 96%. Some are just a bit over 96%.

Same applies for any Novo game if more RTP's are offered. All of them are at 95% ish level.

Kr. Jan

 

[Tirilej]

Had a look this morning to be sure, I can confirm, still male

When I had to do the regulatory return for the MGA last week I could actually filll in Gender X for particular demographic questions. That thought started following me, so to be sure I had another look. I can still confirm I'm a male!

Just to confirm, so you dont have to lookup each game individually
We took IGT on the middle level of RTP. So that means most games are between 95% and 96%. Some are just a bit over 96%.

Same applies for any Novo game if more RTP's are offered. All of them are at 95% ish level.

Kr. Jan

Are you saying that Novo also offer different RTP's and if having them at around 94-95% is the middle level?

 

[lockinlove]

Had a look this morning to be sure, I can confirm, still male

When I had to do the regulatory return for the MGA last week I could actually filll in Gender X for particular demographic questions. That thought started following me, so to be sure I had another look. I can still confirm I'm a male!

Just to confirm, so you dont have to lookup each game individually
We took IGT on the middle level of RTP. So that means most games are between 95% and 96%. Some are just a bit over 96%.

Same applies for any Novo game if more RTP's are offered. All of them are at 95% ish level.

Kr. Jan

What about microgaming? I think they only offer one rtp but who knows now.

 

[Fredos386]

You've never heard of it because it rarely happens. You're bringing up rumors, but most casinos with lower RTP has always had low RTP. You should check RTP when you first start playing somewhere, you should not have to check RTP regularly every day on a casino that you've been playing on at a certain RTP. I've never in my life heard of a casino lowering their RTP without telling anybody, and it seems that you haven't either (other than "rumors").

Lol you funny, only some casinos with a certain license have to provide RTP, other casinos like btc casinos will not provide any rtp, you open book of dead and no rtp mentioned. You ask support and email them and they will refuse to provide with RTP. I really, very very suspect direx nv casinos to have nerfed dramatically playngo rtp last fall as me and my friends went from having big hits here and there in between the rips to just.. rips. The difference is so big it's very hard to miss and trust me they never told anyone. I had fun there i played for 1-1.5 year and was good time up and down up and down the cost of playing was sutainable on my 20-30p bets and deposit bonuses, but they nerfed the rtp's hugely and raised wager on bonuses, lowered the %.. well they nerfed the slots so much it turned from a "expensive" but fun past time into a suicidal ripfest of hell that make me rage everyday of the month. It's funny because there is the real world where casinos really do whatever they want and gaming comissions are just a big front to give impression that someone is watcing over the casino but are pretty much useless. But people like you live in a unicorn world where you imagine a gambling industry where casinos are all legit, honest and such. This world doesn't exist, but since i know casinos/providers staff are on the forums to talk like you do, give a angel picture of casinos and harrass, bully and destroy anyone bringing issues i am never surprised to see answers like yours, just makes me laugh. What doesn't make me laugh is that some people really believe what you say and that's when it becomes dangerous. Anyway my journey in gambling world is nearing it's end anyway, i just don't enjoy playing anymore, nothing happens, it's just dead spins forever, casinos destroyed the odds so much it's just complete nonsense to continue playing and i fear they are just started... they took the path idiots managers take when business is in trouble. If you run a restaurant and you are losing money and lack customers, if you lower portions in your plates and raise prices you ain't going to get more customers, you are going to lose even more and that decision will just make sure your company is going bankrupt for good. Casinos are shooting themselves in the foot. The ideal idea of a casino is to give return so that we keep playing for years and lose to them small amounts regularly over long period making the total a huge amount. But they are going to rip us all in no time so they get a quick fast income but after... there won't be anyone left.

 

[dunover]

Are you saying that Novo also offer different RTP's and if having them at around 94-95% is the middle level?

I thought Novomatic were fixed RTP's. Never seen one declaring a range of RTP like IGT etc.
Novomatics are also nearly always around the 95% mark anyway, which is significantly lower than say Quickspin or Netent.

 

[Fredos386]

What is happening with casinos right now looks like a cartel. Previously they would compete against each other to the point where it became unsustainable.. so they all sat together and decided to cut on all the promos and deals to start raking big money again. Have to be something in that range because an entire industry don't take a flip like taht all together all by themselves just by magic. But as always they do everything in the dark and we can always just guess and never know nothing.

 

[lockinlove]

Lol you funny, only some casinos with a certain license have to provide RTP, other casinos like btc casinos will not provide any rtp, you open book of dead and no rtp mentioned. You ask support and email them and they will refuse to provide with RTP. I really, very very suspect direx nv casinos to have nerfed dramatically playngo rtp last fall as me and my friends went from having big hits here and there in between the rips to just.. rips. The difference is so big it's very hard to miss and trust me they never told anyone. I had fun there i played for 1-1.5 year and was good time up and down up and down the cost of playing was sutainable on my 20-30p bets and deposit bonuses, but they nerfed the rtp's hugely and raised wager on bonuses, lowered the %.. well they nerfed the slots so much it turned from a "expensive" but fun past time into a suicidal ripfest of hell that make me rage everyday of the month. It's funny because there is the real world where casinos really do whatever they want and gaming comissions are just a big front to give impression that someone is watcing over the casino but are pretty much useless. But people like you live in a unicorn world where you imagine a gambling industry where casinos are all legit, honest and such. This world doesn't exist, but since i know casinos/providers staff are on the forums to talk like you do, give a angel picture of casinos and harrass, bully and destroy anyone bringing issues i am never surprised to see answers like yours, just makes me laugh. What doesn't make me laugh is that some people really believe what you say and that's when it becomes dangerous. Anyway my journey in gambling world is nearing it's end anyway, i just don't enjoy playing anymore, nothing happens, it's just dead spins forever, casinos destroyed the odds so much it's just complete nonsense to continue playing and i fear they are just started... they took the path idiots managers take when business is in trouble. If you run a restaurant and you are losing money and lack customers, if you lower portions in your plates and raise prices you ain't going to get more customers, you are going to lose even more and that decision will just make sure your company is going bankrupt for good. Casinos are shooting themselves in the foot. The ideal idea of a casino is to give return so that we keep playing for years and lose to them small amounts regularly over long period making the total a huge amount. But they are going to rip us all in no time so they get a quick fast income but after... there won't be anyone left.

Please use paragraphs it's very hard to read walls of text.

I do agree that some direx NV play n go slots are an absolute nightmare. I do not think they even use the 92% model but even less. You can totally tell when a slot is cold and when a slot is on lowered rtp, the spins and features are much different.

 

[Tirilej]

I thought Novomatic were fixed RTP's. Never seen one declaring a range of RTP like IGT etc.
Novomatics are also nearly always around the 95% mark anyway, which is significantly lower than say Quickspin or Netent.

That's why I wonder It's not possible to see the rtp in the games either so can't check.

It's odd though that for someone like me who never have bothered about rtp now finally realize what a difference it makes.
At VS I've always simply counted on them having the highest because they want to be fair. Not so much anymore though. I'm really disappointed and that won't go away this time. I suspect I won't stay there much longer.

 

[xexe]

Lol you funny, only some casinos with a certain license have to provide RTP, other casinos like btc casinos will not provide any rtp, you open book of dead and no rtp mentioned. You ask support and email them and they will refuse to provide with RTP. I really, very very suspect direx nv casinos to have nerfed dramatically playngo rtp last fall as me and my friends went from having big hits here and there in between the rips to just.. rips. The difference is so big it's very hard to miss and trust me they never told anyone. I had fun there i played for 1-1.5 year and was good time up and down up and down the cost of playing was sutainable on my 20-30p bets and deposit bonuses, but they nerfed the rtp's hugely and raised wager on bonuses, lowered the %.. well they nerfed the slots so much it turned from a "expensive" but fun past time into a suicidal ripfest of hell that make me rage everyday of the month. It's funny because there is the real world where casinos really do whatever they want and gaming comissions are just a big front to give impression that someone is watcing over the casino but are pretty much useless. But people like you live in a unicorn world where you imagine a gambling industry where casinos are all legit, honest and such. This world doesn't exist, but since i know casinos/providers staff are on the forums to talk like you do, give a angel picture of casinos and harrass, bully and destroy anyone bringing issues i am never surprised to see answers like yours, just makes me laugh. What doesn't make me laugh is that some people really believe what you say and that's when it becomes dangerous. Anyway my journey in gambling world is nearing it's end anyway, i just don't enjoy playing anymore, nothing happens, it's just dead spins forever, casinos destroyed the odds so much it's just complete nonsense to continue playing and i fear they are just started... they took the path idiots managers take when business is in trouble. If you run a restaurant and you are losing money and lack customers, if you lower portions in your plates and raise prices you ain't going to get more customers, you are going to lose even more and that decision will just make sure your company is going bankrupt for good. Casinos are shooting themselves in the foot. The ideal idea of a casino is to give return so that we keep playing for years and lose to them small amounts regularly over long period making the total a huge amount. But they are going to rip us all in no time so they get a quick fast income but after... there won't be anyone left.

Dude, what are you even talking about? First of all, take your meds. Secondly for the love of god, use paragraphs. Regardless, I genuinely don't know what you're talking about. When did I say casinos are legit and honest? I'm arguing the complete opposite.

 

[lockinlove]

What is happening with casinos right now looks like a cartel. Previously they would compete against each other to the point where it became unsustainable.. so they all sat together and decided to cut on all the promos and deals to start raking big money again. Have to be something in that range because an entire industry don't take a flip like taht all together all by themselves just by magic. But as always they do everything in the dark and we can always just guess and never know nothing.

You can figure out what Direx NV is doing for rtp if you open up their pragmatic slots. I just went and checked and most of their pragmatic slots are on the lowest setting so that would tell me that play n go is most likely the same. I like Direx for yggdrasil and endorphina but I would never dare play play n go slots there. Ever.

 

[dunover]

That's why I wonder It's not possible to see the rtp in the games either so can't check.

It's odd though that for someone like me who never have bothered about rtp now finally realize what a difference it makes.
At VS I've always simply counted on them having the highest because they want to be fair. Not so much anymore though. I'm really disappointed and that won't go away this time. I suspect I won't stay there much longer.

On Novomatics, the RTP is usually on the final page of the Pay Tables. It is in the UK anyway.

I see that euro games or html5 maybe DON'T display RTP but from the UK we do see it:

Book Of Ra Deluxe EU/UK versions:

 

[Tirilej]

On Novomatics, the RTP is usually on the final page of the Pay Tables. It is in the UK anyway.

I see that euro games or html5 maybe DON'T display RTP but from the UK we do see it:

Book Of Ra Deluxe EU/UK versions:

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On VS I could just see the paytables but just the first page, no rules. On Funcasino I couldn't even enter the game without having any money in my account, and without being logged in it wasn't even available in my country

They are all claiming that we should play for entertainment only. Still they are using rtp versions that is not that entertaining. It doesn't add up.

 

[L&L-Jan]

I thought Novomatic were fixed RTP's. Never seen one declaring a range of RTP like IGT etc.
Novomatics are also nearly always around the 95% mark anyway, which is significantly lower than say Quickspin or Netent.

Some older Novo's are offered with various RTPs FYI.

 

[L&L-Jan]

What about microgaming? I think they only offer one rtp but who knows now.

Maybe download casinos, Idk about that. QuickFire games are all fixed and determined by MGS.

 

[DreamRJ]

Yeah I think MG slots have 1 RTP for each slot. I do not think they have more than 1 RTP available.

 

[chiya]

"They state that Pragmatic Play, Play'n Go, IGT and Red Tiger Gaming currently offer reduced RTP's to their operators and they will be implementing them for Sweden, Germany, Austria, Ireland and the United Kingdom, apparently due to high taxes. " Im from finland and rtp of reactoonz is 94,51....

Your personal rtp is not an accurate representation of the rtp and has nothing to do with anything. I can only assume your quoted 94.51 is from personal RTP because I just checked the help file on Reactoonz at VS from Finland and it is 96,51%