Your Input Please Videoslots: Lower RTP for UK, Sweden, Germany & Others

I still haven't been able to clearly see a huge difference in my gameplay after now inspired by this topic, made few small deposits to VS. Of course, it's mathematical fact that lower RTP make games pay out less in total but as i guess most of the players, i don't really bother to check RTP and and find where is highest in Book of Dead and play there instead of place where i been playing and been happy with overall experience, payments, support, site no lagging etc...

If casinos introduce too much disadvantages to players, they probably then don't get them anymore, as business, they probably try find where is border that players still keep coming back and they make much profit as possible. Unfortunately we don't see such a bonuses like 10 years ago anymore :(
 
Ok - just a question to perhaps calm the masses - where and when was the last time they claimed to use the highest RTP? On their website?

I am Googling this/these terms and I'm not coming up with anything.

One to one answers where the question has been raised in their VS thread I've seen numerous times over my life's membership here, I imagine an equal number were discussed also via PM's

"We always offer the highest RTP where a selection is available" I've read a good few times, most recent, estimated guess about 5-6 month's ago, so yeah nothing really recently but a commonly seen statement.

I think the closing of chat and much more so the discontinued posting of new releases in not a great move. Gamblers are and always will be gamblers, IMO best to weather the brief storm and avoid potentially this thread altogether or at least the "bashing" posts.

VS has and always will have a lot more positives than these recent "survival" negatives and in a month or so's time all of this will be forgotten.

Just my 2c :thumbsup:
 
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too many postes to go back through but theres a team vs 2018 as well
I think you are referring to this post!!

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I guess I'm just brilliant with the CM search functions :p

P.S. BOTH the posts I have linked to were true at the time posted, so Dan never said anything untoward. He's left them anyway as you know.
 
I still haven't been able to clearly see a huge difference in my gameplay after now inspired by this topic, made few small deposits to VS. Of course, it's mathematical fact that lower RTP make games pay out less in total but as i guess most of the players, i don't really bother to check RTP and and find where is highest in Book of Dead and play there instead of place where i been playing and been happy with overall experience, payments, support, site no lagging etc...

If casinos introduce too much disadvantages to players, they probably then don't get them anymore, as business, they probably try find where is border that players still keep coming back and they make much profit as possible. Unfortunately we don't see such a bonuses like 10 years ago anymore :(

...and if you still is in Malta it's because they haven't changed yours :)
 
I think you are referring to this post!!

Videoslots - Newly Accredited

I guess I'm just brilliant with the CM search functions :p

P.S. BOTH the posts I have linked to were true at the time posted, so Dan never said anything untoward. He's left them anyway as you know.
nope, already highlighted that one a couple pages back - cheers though :)
edit - actually my bad, thats a another by Dan
though there's one from Team VS i cam eacross the other day.
None say forever will as trance mentioned, just at that point in time, always do (as far as ive found)
 
But that was what they always had said, not that they always will say, or do. I wish they would though.
Yes, that's what I said further down when I found the other link - they were correct at the time posted.
 
This thread goes to prove a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" experience. :p What incentive does any casino have when they try to be upfront with something so internal as RTP settings and then get raked over the coals during the process? In a matter of a couple of days, this thread went from a legit and interesting inquiry that Nate made about the RTP changes (why and who else), but it devolved into accusations of scandalous and immoral Videoslots behavior. Really? :what: Please hear me out.

I'm an oldtimer, and back in the day RTP settings were something that was rarely if ever posted or revealed in any way shape or form. As both players and industry folk, we used the land based casinos in Vegas as benchmarks i.e. "how did Vegas do it?" Try this - go to any Vegas casino and ask the floor manager for the RTPs for their games, and they will probably tell you to take a hike. I know - I've asked :p

So for the first ten years or so RTP settings were rarely published: RTG disclosed theirs through Casinomeister, Wagerworks published theirs online, and Microgaming kept theirs as a trade secret. As gamblers, we just kept to the adage "Know when to fold 'em. Know when to cash out." F*&% the RTP - you're going to lose anyway. Bail out when you win big because it will soon disappear.

Now with the new generation of gamblers, RTP is crucial for them because this will tell you which games are the losers and which are the winners. :rolleyes: You should have been playing in the early 2000s. :p

Sorry, I am just trying to put this into perspective. We have two generations of online gamblers here. :D

Videoslots has always been transparent. When they first launched, they were the only casino that I can think of that published the RTP for ALL games - to include Microgaming. This was truly notable and praiseworthy, but it didn't stop seasoned players from playing at their competitors - knowing that the RTP was a mystery to them - as is now. This did not seem to bother anyone.

Fast forward to now: we have a regulated environment that is squeezing these casinos dry. You can forget getting "too good to be true" bonuses anymore unless you're playing in the grey jurisdictions that don't have the fees or penalties that the UKGC or even what Malta has. So you as a player are going to find these casinos to be a bit tighter. Decreasing the RTP is one way they can balance out their fees and promotions.

I am not trying to come across as an apologist but a realist. Those days of awesome bonusing are over. Take a look at here - Casinomeister. In the past four months, out of about 79 Accredited Casinos we have had about four special promotions from these casinos this year. The writing is on the wall folks.

And yeah, you ought to thank Videoslots for giving you a heads up that they were changing their RTPs for certain countries. From what I read it was a change of 1% (?), please correct me if I am wrong. How many casinos do you think may or may not be doing this - or have already without being upfront about it? Videoslots explained what they were doing - and this is a scam?? :what:

And their chat is shut down - so what? I'd probably shut it down too if I had made a statement about the change, and folks were jumping down my throat about it. If they said that they always had the highest RTP - well, that's great. You can tell your grandkids about that. Back in my day...

There are loads of great comments in this thread concerning casino math and RTP. Let us not be overly judgemental and lose sight of what this forum is all about - providing information that allows you to make smart decisions for yourself.

If you don't like Videoslots - don't play there/don't advertise for them. But don't harass them in this forum. You/we are better than this.

I respect your argument, however:

Videoslots is not as transparent as you make them out to be. This was done maliciously with the intent of cloaking their changes. Yes they posted a small snippet of this but actions thereafter made their ultimate intention known. Let as little people as possible know.

They did the same to affiliates - retroactively adding fees and hiding our stats from us. They claimed to do it in the name of transparency, but again, it was just another big fat lie - all in the name of adding these fees in the sly.

I know this has nothing to do with affiliates, but it is important to get the history behind their methods.

To be fair Bryan, this is not Vegas nor is it 2000. Times have changed and players need to be more vigilant than they did in 2003. This is what YOUR forum is about. Advocating FAIR Play. This forum loves transparency, but then there would be a different argument if this was announced.

You state that this forum also provides information which allows players to make smart decisions for themselves - the irony about that is that if this thread or other members hadn't raised it we would have failed in doing that.

In closing, the 'if you don't like it, don't play or promote them' is encouraging them to be evasive and not answer simple questions put forward by the membership here - that is not cool.

Afterall it was this very membership who put them on the pedestal they now disrespect us from.

Nate
 
just because it was asked, aside from the one I mentioned by Dan some time back (and quoted a few pages back) and dunover's by Dan, this is the only other instance i recall in recent memory
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anyway, as I also mentioned earlier - i dont think VS has any obligation to mention rtp changes, just only that it may be poor form to not do so
 
But they did announce it. Quietly, but it’s there, in the same place they put their promotional stuff. If you don’t read that, your choice. If you didn’t notice any change in gameplay before this thread, it’s impact is clearly minimal.

They’re a business and they don’t owe us anything. If it’s the choice between a bit less playtime and them not being financially viable in the long term, or pulling out of markets to leave them to providers who offer a genuinely poorer overall experience, which is preferable?

And then there’s that there are other providers who are often just as good. So you can go to them if you like. Consumer choice and all that.
 
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I respect your argument, however:


Nate

I agree VS should handled this better,
but can you name one casino that makes a huge announcement when they make negative change?
Such as
"We are announcing pending period" or "We are announcing the change of wagering requirement, it's 50x now from 30x."
We always find out those changes by another player's post, not by the Casino rep.

You mentioned VS is not answering the member's question. Actually they have answered a few questions on VS thread, not in this thread, if you think that's not enough I can respect your opinion, but if you go through all the posts here on CM, there are hundreds of questions that was not answered by casino reps here include casinos with high ratings.

VS has a few cons and some of changes they made recently is not really favourable for sure, but when it comes about communication with members and players, I don't think any casino can match VS.
 
Would be interesting to know is there how big difference in deals between providers and casinos if you choose higher/lover RTP (not expecting anybody to comment business secrets as all have their own deals, for sure you have more power to negotiate if you have multiple brands and loads of players vs you are just one new site with very few players to start with).

Lower RTP makes more money but how that is shared, is fixed starting fee lower if RTP is and revenue share bigger or how these go. Just thinking myself and try to figure out some math :)
 
I love Videoslots but this was a sneaky action and it is not appreciated by myself.
Personally I am doing fine at VS and also I never or hardly play IGT, Red Tiger, Pragmatic as I simply do not like their slots.
PnG however I play a lot.
They are already quite challenging as it is so to lower the RTP on those slots or offer a lower RTP version is not nice.

That said BoD still shows as 96.21% while I live in Ireland.
How is that Videoslots?

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I love Videoslots but this was a sneaky action and it is not appreciated by myself.
Personally I am doing fine at VS and also I never or hardly play IGT, Red Tiger, Pragmatic as I simply do not like their slots.
PnG however I play a lot.
They are already quite challenging as it is so to lower the RTP on those slots or offer a lower RTP version is not nice.

That said BoD still shows as 96.21% while I live in Ireland.
How is that Videoslots?

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Just be happy they haven't changed it for you guys yet. Don't remind them. You better check each time you want to play though but what you see should be correct.

Also I just read that chat is back now, and it's now possible to close it if you don't want to read the gossip :)
 
I agree VS should handled this better,
but can you name one casino that makes a huge announcement when they make negative change?
Such as
"We are announcing pending period" or "We are announcing the change of wagering requirement, it's 50x now from 30x."
We always find out those changes by another player's post, not by the Casino rep.

You mentioned VS is not answering the member's question. Actually they have answered a few questions on VS thread, not in this thread, if you think that's not enough I can respect your opinion, but if you go through all the posts here on CM, there are hundreds of questions that was not answered by casino reps here include casinos with high ratings.

VS has a few cons and some of changes they made recently is not really favourable for sure, but when it comes about communication with members and players, I don't think any casino can match VS.

Castielle :D:D

And therein lies the point - should have handled better.

I'd assume some people agree and others not on the points raised in this thread.

What I cannot understand is that this is an informational portal - we come here to be educated and choose casinos that are held to a higher standard than others - being Accredited. We dont expect them to behave and do things secretly, especially when it affects your wallet.

As for people pointing out that it was mentioned and if we didnt read it - tough luck... I actually find that quite amusing...

If something like a maximum cashout were to be added to their terms, then, would the same rules for letting players know still apply? Could they just post it in the news section or update the terms?.. NOBODY would advocate it... how is this different?

I've said my piece. I can't reiterate the point anymore.

Nate
 
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Checking loads of RTP's now on Videoslots and Gorilla Go Wilder from NYX states following:

The Theoretical Return to Player (RTP) is 93.05 - 97.04%
Ehm, that doesn't really say which RTP this game is running at VS either.
Bit off topic as NYX should not be affected?
 
Having read through this thread many times, I agree on each of @Nate posts. If a rep from VideoSlots had posted on this thread of the change, there wouldn't have been all this upset IMO.

Since I joined VideoSlots, I was depositing £250 a day, but since this thread started I have deposited nothing. I find it very hard playing my favourite slots from PnG with the reduced RTP.
 
So after Bryan has given his take as well as others since I last posted it seems to me that we are left with a choice of continuing to trust and play at Videoslots or not. It may be the case that other casinos will follow suit in reducing RTP's and if so how they will go about it. It is true that Videoslots have been given a good kicking recently in here. I have said all I wish to say about recent events and I am prepared to give it a rest now on this subject and while avoiding those reduced RTP slots I will continue to play there.
Videoslots really owe me nothing.
 
One final from me too, and I believe others have mentioned it but it can always be repeated.

I have never seen VS or any other casino in here having announced any change for the worse ever, except for 32Red when they told us they would stop paying out on weekends. We're still angry about that :)
VS didn't tell us about all the other changes they have made the last few months. It was discovered and asked about from us, and they responded telling us they had been forced to cut down. Then why tell about this change?
We were sad about it but we accepted it. I still hope they will change their mind about at least PNG games and cut something else, but if not I simply will go somewhere else to play them.
I can't keep on being angry at them though. It won't help.
 
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Castielle :D:D
If something like a maximum cashout were to be added to their terms, then, would the same rules for letting players know still apply? Could they just post it in the news section or update the terms?.. NOBODY would advocate it... how is this different?

I'd guess that something like that would be a major change to their terms, rather than a tweak to a game's payout likelihood.
 

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