Videoslots Cash Back Offer Overrated?

[Azzurri]

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C'mon guys. Can't we have a discussion without the baggage?

@Azzurri - that response to Tirilej was a bit over the top. She contacted the casino rep - which was fine. Having casino reps being part of the discussion is great - but you need to understand, all members have a right to voice their opinions, even casino reps. Take whatever you get with a grain of salt, or just ignore what you don't accept or think is valid, and carry on with the discussion. No need to get obsessive or hyper-defensive.

Let's be mellow people - weekend is coming up and it's beer time.

Bryan, I'm happy to accept anyone's opinion, and I have no problem with Lucas being contacted, as I was well aware all reps notice threads regarding their casinos anyway.

What I do have a problem with are those members who are quick to jump on threads and derail discussions by automatically assuming every thread is about a whining loser who needs to man up and take his tin foil hat off.

Not only is this offensive to a regular player who loses up to $1,000 per week without even a whimper of a complaint, but it is totally off topic and unnecessary.

I can understand there may be some language barriers that exist, but for goodness sake, at least take some time to thoroughly read and understand a thread before automatically assuming it is a negative complaint by a sore loser and the sky is falling. It always seems to be the usual suspects too.

I have no hard feelings against Tirilej, but her reaction was disproportionate, and I automatically knew she misinterpreted the op, which I tried to gently allude to in my first response to her. Her second response was even more ridiculous.

Gagamel is just a looney straight up, and I can guarantee he didn't get past the title. If you can't see the offence in his post, and unwillingness to enter the discussion constructively, then I have to ask what is the point of this forum?

Sorry Bryan, but I've done nothing but try to be a true contributor to the forum since joining. A few complaints, but ultimately trying to address concerns that may affect others, and engage in healthy debate. These people that just continually jump on anyone as an automatic sore loser so they can go and hug a rep, are rendering this forum useless and pointless more and more everyday.

I have a lot of respect for you and many on this site, but if we are only allowed to post winning screenshots, or frolicking happy tales, so as not to upset the lurking monsters in the closet, then I think we all lose, and none of us do your motto justice.

Have a beer and enjoy your weekend. Gagamel just made me have two, and I opened them with my eye lid just to make sure I wasn't dreaming.

I'll be taking an indefinite holiday from posting until I see the point again.

Peace.

 

[gagamel]

Just for your information

Within the last 8 threads you opened 4 of them had these titles:

- Nextcasino and the misleading e mail
-dodgy freespins at Jetbull
- All Slots gone rogue
- Worst few days ever

Last one is the newest.

I wish you all the best.

 

[Azzurri]

I closed my account there because they removed the straight deposit limit monthly which I like as a feature of all sites. When I did play there I found for a small-stake player like myself (and the inimitable Chopley found the same) that the system was very good. To get cashback on turnover as opposed to simply losing was a novel idea, better than the crappy comp points many sites offer, plus the races were good. I liked the place, still do even though I closed my a/c.
Azzuri has correctly spotted that this system doesn't reward the high-rollers in the same proportion as the lo-rollers. He is clearly better off at sites which run the comp point system and chuck chips at big losers.
The thing is that if you check VS's terms this is the way the site works, and due to the relatively generous rewards to MOST players the scope to chuck comps in may be limited.
The fact is that terms and rewards nearly always differ from expectations or assumptions you may just be 'looked after' if you lose. Not every site is Guts or Bet-at or 32red.

hallelujah, praise Jesus!

Thanks for getting it dunover, and I agree.

 

[Azzurri]

Just for your information

Within the last 8 threads you opened 4 of them had these titles:

- Nextcasino and the misleading e mail
-dodgy freespins at Jetbull
- All Slots gone rogue
- Worst few days ever

Last one is the newest.

I wish you all the best.

What's your point?!

Take a hike you stalking scary person.

Bryan, can you try to get through to this looney, and tell them to leave me alone. This is on top of the pm they sent that I didn't appreciate.

Am I the only one that thinks their behavior is creepy and weird? Maybe this is the twilight zone.

 

[Tirilej]

I have no hard feelings against Tirilej, but her reaction was disproportionate, and I automatically knew she misinterpreted the op, which I tried to gently allude to in my first response to her. Her second response was even more ridiculous.

No...you're not worth it!

 

[Azzurri]

No...you're not worth it!

Not only have you both failed to read and understand the op, but clearly you and gagamel have done the same regarding Bryan's post.

Maybe you can both just crash threads and make random irreverent comments containing underlying insults and assumptions from now on. Oh, wait a minute...

 

[gagamel]

What's your point?!

Take a hike you stalking scary person.

Bryan, can you try to get through to this looney, and tell them to leave me alone. This is on top of the pm they sent that I didn't appreciate.

Am I the only one that thinks their behavior is creepy and weird? Maybe this is the twilight zone.

A PM is a PM and I`m not stalking you.

Here is my PM to you:

"Hi Azzuri

what is your intention?

Most of your posts are about your losses and the no compensation.

Why don`t start playing casinos who compensate you more?

This is a serious question and I don`t want more fight with you.

Let us both calm down and stay cool"


As I said, all the best for you

 

[Azzurri]

A PM is a PM and I`m not stalking you.

Here is my PM to you:

"Hi Azzuri

what is your intention?

Most of your posts are about your losses and the no compensation.

Why don`t start playing casinos who compensate you more?

This is a serious question and I don`t want more fight with you.

Let us both calm down and stay cool"


As I said, all the best for you

Dude, you are going to make me have a nervous breakdown. What part of leave me the fuck alone don't you understand?!!!!!

What's next? Japanese water torture?

You're a psycho!

 

[Nate]

Come on guys - Lets have a sensible discussion. It does not matter what the history of a poster is and what he has opened a thread on.

To be fair, the discussion is on a Cash Back offer. I think it's fair to comment on the subject instead of making it personal, or this or that the person is a sore loser. Once that begins, the thread is derailed and it becomes a personal jibe fest.

Sticking to the topic - You either think Video Slots offer Good cash back or they don't. I think threads like this are extremely important as it gives the player an idea of the best value out there. The last thing I want as a player is dropping 10k and being treated like I owe the casino something. Sure, the Casinos are NOT obligated to dish out freebies but why would I deposit at XYZ Casino when I know that Guts or Redbet offer me something decent if I lose.

I do not play at VideoSlots, however I am keen to see the Pros and Cons of the system.

Nate

 

[gagamel]

Thank you Nate, you are totally right.

I forgot that there is an "ignore button".

Wish you all a great weekend:yahoo::yahoo:

 

[dunover]

Come on guys - Lets have a sensible discussion. It does not matter what the history of a poster is and what he has opened a thread on.

To be fair, the discussion is on a Cash Back offer. I think it's fair to comment on the subject instead of making it personal, or this or that the person is a sore loser. Once that begins, the thread is derailed and it becomes a personal jibe fest.

Sticking to the topic - You either think Video Slots offer Good cash back or they don't. I think threads like this are extremely important as it gives the player an idea of the best value out there. The last thing I want as a player is dropping 10k and being treated like I owe the casino something. Sure, the Casinos are NOT obligated to dish out freebies but why would I deposit at XYZ Casino when I know that Guts or Redbet offer me something decent if I lose.

I do not play at VideoSlots, however I am keen to see the Pros and Cons of the system.

Nate

Well, that's the point I made - at the outset these unofficial comp chips are unknown as they aren't, and never can be in the terms of any casino. Their subsequent award after a bad run is purely on spec and the player can't know until they experience this loss scenario. As many reputable sites DO look after players in this circumstance then a player may experience a touch of disappointment if this isn't the case. I know I have, and I have never begged for one as a result, neither has the OP AFAIK. Now we have established that VS don't do this for players, but reward in other ways it has simply added to the knowledge and information the forum members have to date. That's how I see it.
As for the antagonism in this thread, as a native English speaker I can see it's mostly down to translation, certain persons focussing on certain words and not on the whole context.

 

[gagamel]

Well
we have a lot of different countries here. Some members speak english very well and some don`t.
But that is not the question here. The OP made a lot of threads here, always complaining about his bad luck and every casino is against him.

As I stated, if you want a cashback, play exclusively to one casino for a longer time. And then ask for a good cashback or bonus.

 

[incrediblestuff]

I also cannot believe how easily you this escalated into a bit of drama, i am inclined to say that there is a unhealthy portion of overreacting going on which have nothing to do with the intended topic, i do think there is a bit of a critical tone in a lot of the OP's posts, (nothing wrong with being critical in itself) and that, i know, is certainly not to everyone's taste, but as long as there is no obvious or hidden agenda involved i myself am not too caring about it.

What i would say on topic, is that you did not really make it clear that you wanted to weigh the pro's and con's of the average cashback setup vs. the average comp system.

Disregarding comps for a bit, which definitely is also very important in choosing where to play. but focussing on the difference in regular cashback vs VS's system,

Video slots system, is certainly not standard, and if i were to say if it is much less interesting then a conventional cashback deal, i would have to know the percentage of said deal, if you get a fix 10% i could imagine most would rather have the VS system, however if it were 25% or more, the amount of deposits, or total sum you play on average would factor in, if you'd get a fix 40% or more, i would guess most average depositors would take that in a heartbeat.

The point with a system that is depending on the casino's profit, you would need to start hoping for a lot of losers

If you are just a recreational player, this could be a nice surprise once in while, if the casino had a great month and you got good playtime on your deposits, you might be in for a treat; with that thought it more of "true gamblers system" as you'll never know what you will get applying to both the amount of cashback and total playtime, although you can certainly get a good idea about it if you have played there in a consequent manner over a longer stretch of time.

Overrated? bit of a silly word in a neutral weighing, i have no clue what the polls would say. It is fun, and innovative i.m.o, but its obviously not for all.

With comps, it's naturally so that most players will more loyal to Casinos that give them the most, especially without asking. But there aren't many casinos that have such policies.

If we take as example your 190,- depo, factoring in playtime, choice of slots and the current status of deposits vs. withdrawals on average i would get/expect 25,- on average as comp, assuming i had a bad session, as i never expect comps on a good one (also prone to opinion, but let's not deviate from the point)

Now the factors: if i am way down on the Casino, and was playing "normal variance slots" and didn't get any playtime, my expectation tends to be higher

Anyway, if i have the choice, i mostly go with the cashback system with the 25% or more (provided playing with a bonus does count towards the percentage)

Then i also must factor in the possibility of a comppoint system: if a site has that, and i can play there with 10% cashback on a bonus, whilst generating commppoints with the whole funds, i also would not choose for anything else.

If you already closed your account it's not useful to dwell on the pro's of the system, you would have better asked the question to see where you would get a system which is better suited to your taste.

 

[whodatrec]

I closed my account there aswell, might be good for someone but for me i kept on losing for nearly 20 deposites and decided to close. Because out of experience when this happens i usually never win at that site. Regarding comps, i actually have gotten the most bonus offers,comps and cashback offers on sites where i have won BIG. They prolly want to entice me to play it all back..

But yeah, stick with one or two sites and play there regularly and u will get alot of offers usually if its a good casino.

 

[Azzurri]

Well
we have a lot of different countries here. Some members speak english very well and some don`t.
But that is not the question here. The OP made a lot of threads here, always complaining about his bad luck and every casino is against him.

As I stated, if you want a cashback, play exclusively to one casino for a longer time. And then ask for a good cashback or bonus.

Some of you are saying I'm overreacting, yet this Muppet continues to try to discredit me. Nothing he says makes sense or is true. To say I think every casino is against me is ludicrous, and he is obviously trying to turn this into a personal attack.

I lose hundreds, sometimes thousands per week at Guts, Leo Vegas, Bgo and Betat, yet I don't come on here complaining about them do I? Quite the opposite, and if gagamel had taken the time to read my posts in his stalking research mission, he would have noticed I have been full of praise for these sites, and have regularly given praise within their various threads.

I've even given VS and Lucas much praise within this forum.

Of course there may be a slight critical undertone to my op, as I have made it clear I am pro comps in regards to the debate I've tried to ignite. At no time have I complained as a whining loser as gagamel continues to suggest. I mentioned losing for the purpose of the debate, as the debate is regarding compensation offers for losing players.

Once again, VS is the example, as they are the casino I have had the direct experience with.

Many players have been confused and have not totally understood how the system works, and this was evident in the BOF thread, where many players incorrectly assumed they receive 25% of their loses back. I was one of these players originally, hence I thought this thread and debate would be good to clarify things for all players, and weigh up the pros and cons of it versus the traditional handing out of comps by some other sites.

Yes my op focuses on the cons of VS's cash back offer, as my experiences leaves me of the opinion that comps are a more suited system for me. The point of the debate is to then hand the opportunity to other members to then agree, or disagree by highlighting what they consider the pros of the offer versus the cons of comps.

Gagamel has decided to turn it into something completely different, and as many members such as Nate, dunover and osulle have grasped the point of the thread, and given constructive views, I can only suggest that the topic is above gagamel's IQ level, as after many attempts to clarify the point of the thread, he continues to try to discredit me as a whining loser.

I have no hidden agenda here, and as I mentioned, despite yet another irrelevant comment from gagamel above, I have made my decision and have decided to stick with the sites who offer me regular comps rather than VS's cash back offer. My point is I have discovered personally that VS's offer isn't as good as it sounds compared with other deals available.

Does that make it a bad deal? No. But I have a right to express my views, and clarify my decision and original confusion regarding the offer, that may in turn have been a point of confusion for other players. Hence debate the issue and share one's personal preference.

Gagamel, your continued attempts to stray from the subject matter, and instead try to attack and discredit me, leads me to believe you have some hidden agenda. I probably lose more per week than you make in a month, so your comments have no bearing or substance. I have no idea why, but if you have tried to make an enemy of me, you have duly succeeded. Ending personal attacks with 'good luck to you' or 'stay cool' doesn't make them any less hurtful or change your comments intent.

I am a well educated man, who is self made from a tough up bringing. Hope to God you don't put a word wrong on this forum from this point on, because I'll be watching you, and keeping tabs on your comments. If words are your weapon of choice, I can be as easily destructive and vindictive. Congratulations on succeeding in your mission, and as a cynical narcissist once said:

"Good luck to you".

Thanks to the educated majority who contributed constructively to the debate.

 

[maxd]

... this Muppet continues to try to discredit me.

Please re-read the Posting Rules paying particular attention to the following:

1.1 - No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. Abusive behavior will not be tolerated and your account may be suspended. Please refrain from potty mouth language. Under certain circumstances (extremely aggressive insulting or trollish language), the administration reserves the right to publish your email address and IP address if your account is banned for violation of this rule.

If someone's posts wind you up then don't read them. If you simply can't bear them any longer then use the "Ignore" feature and their posts won't even appear for you.

What you are not free to do is insult and belittle them. That kind of BS drags the tone of the whole forum into the gutter and simply isn't acceptable. Please show your fellow forums more respect, even if that means simply ignoring them.

Thank you for your immediate cooperation.

 

[Azzurri]

You're directing that at me?

 

[maxd]

You're directing that at me?

Yes, as indicated by the fact that I quoted you at the beginning of my post. Your repeated insults and disparaging comments toward gagamel, or any other forum member for that matter, are not acceptable. Full stop. This is not open to debate: chill out or take it elsewhere.

If you feel something another forum member is doing is not acceptable then use the Report Post feature at the bottom of every forum post (excluding your own):

The moderators and Admin receive those Reports directly and we take them very seriously. Leave it to us to moderate the forums, SVP.

DON'T take the issue into you own hands by trying to "correct" the offending person with insults and belittlement, ESPECIALLY not here on the forums. That accomplishes nothing and just ends up turning the forum into a cesspit. Please don't.

 

[Azzurri]

That's fine, I can accept that. However, seeing as my comments were in self defense of gagamel's original insults, and proceeding harassment, I can safely assume that you have given the same attention and advice to gagamel. Especially considering I have never had to act in this manner, yet he has a history of doing this to offer members before. Point taken, and it won't happen again, yet I expect fair treatment from other members and administration, as this is what is preached here.

The fact gagamel has been a member longer than I, shouldn't give him a free pass to say I am less of a man, a whinging loser, or someone who wears a tin foil hat, who thinks all casinos are against him and only posts about wanting compensation or whinging about losing. All untrue, and proof he didn't even read any of the threads and was only interested in attempting to harass and discredit me.

This is ok, yet I am the one spoken to for reacting, even after gagamel ignored Bryan's advice and continued to harass me.

 

[maxd]

... seeing as my comments were in self defense of gagamel's original insults, and proceeding harassment, I can safely assume that you have given the same attention and advice to gagamel.

Frankly that is not your concern and you are missing the point. First of all the immediate issue here is that your behaviour has been unacceptable. Several people have Reported your abusive posts and they were right to do so: you've repeatedly crossed the line of acceptable forum conduct towards other forum members and that needs to stop. Now you know, and have other options to deal with these things, so we should be able to move forward on this.

Secondly: it doesn't matter whether you ignored the Posting Rules in self defence or not. The point is that we have a certain expectation of how forums members should conduct themselves, the Posting Rules lay those expectations out in black and white, and all forum members are expected to conduct themselves accordingly. You have not been doing so. That is a problem. Your continued membership here requires that you do comply. I think that part is very clear.

If someone attacks you on the forums either (a) ignore it, (b) respond within the bounds of the Posting Rules -- in other words in a civil manner and without resorting to insults and name-calling -- or (c) Report their post. "Attack first and respect the Rules later" is not an option and you may take this as your last warning on that regard.

I'll look into your accusations against gagamel but you need to understand that gagamel is not the one your fellow forum members have felt it necessary to Report. As far as we're concerned your activity is the immediate issue here, not gagamel's.

 

[Azzurri]

Very interesting.

Consider me officially moving on. I will return to being an avid reader, and will no longer be posting. I wasn't aware my posts offend so many people, although I did assume some would consider them controversial or thought provoking as they often didn't centre on hugging a rep, or posting a screen shot.

Sorry to the many I've apparently offended in my time here, and good luck to all in your endeavors. Hopefully some thought provoking threads will pop up from time to time, so I'll keep an eye out.

I'll leave you with some thoughts:

The only thing more dangerous than an idea, is a belief.

The monuments of wit survive the monuments of power.

Goodbye and good luck to all.

Thanks for your time max.

 

[Casinomeister]

@ Azzurri

One of the problems is that you keep resorting to name-calling. That is unacceptable. If people in the forum are calling you names, please report the post - don't do a tit-for-tat flame post. It will only draw attention to your retaliation.

If you feel bullied, the best way to deal with it is to ignore the bully - then notify the administration that you are having an issue. So far, it's been like a school-yard. As Max has mentioned, that is not the way we do things here.

 

[Azzurri]

Bryan,

I can appreciate I may have gotten carried away in the heat of the moment, and I can apologise if anyone found my language offensive. I will not be apologising to gagamel.

This is a thread I created, and a topic I raised so as to invite other members to share their thoughts on the debate raised.

Seeing as I'm clearly the bad guy here, I ask you, what was gagamel's contribution to the discussion and topic? What was his intentions? When it was made clear to him that I didn't appreciate his comments, why did he continue to harass me in my thread, when he clearly had nothing to add to the discussion, and could have chosen not to even look at my thread any further? Why did he ignore your post? Why did he pm me after your post asking me why I only post to whine about losing or comps?

I'd suggest you've caught the red herring here, and both you and I have been hoodwinked by a manipulative trouble maker with a history of doing so.

I can appreciate your rules, and apologise for breaking them. Unless personally addressed I will no longer be posting, but know that I don't feel my treatment has been fair. If I am to blame here, then you have basically just sent a message, that even if you have nothing constructive to add to a discussion, it is perfectly acceptable for anyone to derail a thread for the sole purpose of labeling someone.

Considering it is very clear that gagamel didn't read any of the threads he so cleverly tried to label and use as an insult against me, I'd suggest rewarding this behavior will only result in the dumbing down of many threads, and the progressive diminishment of any useful or helpful topics and discussions.


Since joining I have made more than one casino be accountable for their actions, and would like to think I have helped other members in the process. What has gagamel's contribution been besides labeling other members whinging losers, or sucking up to reps? I ask you to review both histories and see for yourself.

Sorry again for breaking your rules, but hopefully you can look at the points I've made logically. Either way, I won't be posting any further. Please pm me if you wish to speak in the future. Thanks.

 

[Tirilej]

Edit: Obviously there was no need to write what I did at first so post removed

 

[spintee]

wow lol back to the op

I agree that there cash back is hit and miss, Im a small roller and do not stand a chance, Ive had a few quid here and there but it seems that this offer is really for high depositers, It would be great if it was 25% back and not 25% of there profits, What if 1 week you put 10 grand in but a few people had some decent hits and casino was down? You get jack all back,

As with asking for abit of compo than why not, I personally do not ask but whats the saying, If you do not ask you do not get, Also would not hurt to put a few quid in some 1s account to keep them happy,