Videoslots Cash Back Offer Overrated?

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Regarding comps, i actually have gotten the most bonus offers,comps and cashback offers on sites where i have won BIG. They prolly want to entice me to play it all back.

This is why one should never feel ashamed when asking for a comp.

When I lose a lot without having much entertainment, I feel it's perfectly acceptable to request a comp and I don't agree with those who say it makes you less of a person. It's natural behaviour and there are none more guity of this than the casinos when they lose.

Many times after a big win, I find the casino ups their contact with me and they're practically begging me to return.
"A bonus just for you!!"
"Look what you're missing out on!"
"Have you played our new games?"

These are all aimed at trying to entice you back so they can being to recoup their losses. I think it's the same behaviour that's shown by many players when they lose, only now it's reversed.
 
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All proper "new" ideas about bonuses/cashback offers in the industry are welcome. Huge welcome bonuses have given the industry bad reputation and as a result we have two complaint threads here at CM, one for bonus issues and one for bonus clean play.

Cashback offers are seen as promotional offers in the industry and those who get bonus banned are most often therefore not qualified for cashback deals either. Promotional offers as seen as cash back deals are probably much harder for players/casinos to abuse. That's good. :thumbsup:

I am not a regular player at Videoslots but I can find their cashback offer quite fun. :) Fun as those Slotsmeister tourneys we have here. It's not the best cashback offer if you want to calculate and compare different casinos to minimize the House Edge, it's more for entertainment. The "standard" cashback system counting comp points is quite boring these days.

I have personally never, AFAIK, asked for a comp. Probably stupidity from my side, or maybe I am to embarrassed to ask for it. I have never joined a casino for it's comp point system either. For the high roller, the one who knows that he deposits 1000$ or more/week, cashback deals do make huge difference. I am the type of player who can take a "welcome back" offer at a MG or NetEnt and use the 200% bonus on a high variance machine playing less than full lines or a progressive at 0.40-0.50 a spin. I already know that my deposit is toast but I have the chance. :D

High rollers should stick to regular systems and try to be VIP!

To the not so fun topic:

I understood the opening post perfectly. That said, this quote made me wonder:

Fast forward to present time, and it would seem that now VS has passed the BOF, Lucas is more reluctant to offer any comps, and prefers to direct players attention to the fact that there is cash back waiting in the wings. Of course Lucas and VS are well within their rights to do this, as comps are a goodwill gesture and not a necessity. Once I realized VS was no longer giving out comps, I decided to close my account, and stick with casinos that do, as I didn't feel I was getting much value from the cash back offer compared to the deposits I was making.

This, Azzurri, makes me believe that you think that during BBF a casino is more generous to CM players with comps. You might be right, I have no idea. But it also derails your own topic and I can understand that other members can think that you have a different agenda.

Advice: You can critizise other members without namecalling and such things. There are members who can write almost the same things but with twist of words they are following posting rules. It's almost an art. ;)
 

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Main topic:

All proper "new" ideas about bonuses/cashback offers in the industry are welcome. Huge welcome bonuses have given the industry bad reputation and as a result we have two complaint threads here at CM, one for bonus issues and one for bonus clean play.

Cashback offers are seen as promotional offers in the industry and those who get bonus banned are most often therefore not qualified for cashback deals either. Promotional offers as seen as cash back deals are probably much harder for players/casinos to abuse. That's good. :thumbsup:

I am not a regular player at Videoslots but I can find their cashback offer quite fun. :) Fun as those Slotsmeister tourneys we have here. It's not the best cashback offer if you want to calculate and compare different casinos to minimize the House Edge, it's more for entertainment. The "standard" cashback system counting comp points is quite boring these days.

I have personally never, AFAIK, asked for a comp. Probably stupidity from my side, or maybe I am to embarrassed to ask for it. I have never joined a casino for it's comp point system either. For the high roller, the one who knows that he deposits 1000$ or more/week, cashback deals do make huge difference. I am the type of player who can take a "welcome back" offer at a MG or NetEnt and use the 200% bonus on a high variance machine playing less than full lines or a progressive at 0.40-0.50 a spin. I already know that my deposit is toast but I have the chance. :D

High rollers should stick to regular systems and try to be VIP!

To the not so fun topic:

I understood the opening post perfectly. That said, this quote made me wonder:



This, Azzurri, makes me believe that you think that during BBF a casino is more generous to CM players with comps. You might be right, I have no idea. But it also derails your own topic and I can understand that other members can think that you have a different agenda.

Advice: You can critizise other members without namecalling and such things. There are members who can write almost the same things but with twist of words they are following posting rules. It's almost an art. ;)

Take that all into account I think Originally Posted by Azzurri about passing the bof, I can somewhat agree, I have seen 100's of post about casino dont really care about players but whet they deposit, Take nothing away from the reps on here that do a great job, Im not pointing the finger at no casino, Reps are quick enought to jump on the wagon here but what about the people that have had trouble & do not no about these kind of sites? I mean I myself have had long debates from live help, Half of them do not no there head from there arss, Only when mention on here its sorted,
All bonus is a good, But casinos have to do this to keep custom, They do not have to but they do and alot of time you do not get it, Just a load of hassle from help saying, MISTAKE, I think only mistake is the 95% of the live help people was employed :)
 

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I see Tirilej and Gagamel's reponses as very relavent to this thread Azzuri. What I think is that you don't necessarily like other members disagreeing with you're opinion which of course you are entitled to have just don't expect everyone else to always agree. The rest of the members on this thread are also entitled to their opinions and the general consensus is that most disagree with you. I don't find Tirilej or Gagamel's comments argumentative I think they are just merely responding to a thread that you decided to start about Video Slots.

I originally somewhat felt that the comps at VS were lacking, that was before I saw the slght. Now IMO VS is more than generous with their comps - Weekly races and cash-back. I don't think a player could ask for more but that's just my opinion.

However since you won't be posting anymore, I don't expect a response, so I wish you luck with you're future endeavors :)

Here's a flash back from the past https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/videoslots-newly-accredited.61870/.
 

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Thanks for posting that link mark it was quite informative. I kept out of the argument in here as no point arguing just because you disagree with anothers opinions but the whole thread was really annoying as whether you agree with someone or not some of the comments made towards gagamel were really very offensive
 
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Thanks for posting that link mark it was quite informative. I kept out of the argument in here as no point arguing just because you disagree with anothers opinions but the whole thread was really annoying as whether you agree with someone or not some of the comments made towards gagamel were really very offensive

I know, I agree. You're welcome :) I think it's just wrong to berate someone over a difference in opinion. I'm all for healthy debate, I mean that's what generally happens on forums however Azzuri's comments were not only unproductive but just plain offensive, and that is definitely not healthy.

Anyway that's just my opinion take it for what its worth.
 

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Funny how the brave come out and comment after I say I won't post any further isn't it Mark?

Allow me to make an exception for you as you seemed as confused as your friend gagamel.

The difference between you and I is you were actually complaining about not receiving a comp, and you were also proven to be a bonus abuser by your own admissions. You smugly wish to remind me of a past thread, after I already declared in my op that I was originally a fan of the system before comparing it with more traditional free chip comps. Hence my op was not a complaint, but a debate based on my history and findings. I applaud you on attempting to jump on a band wagon, but you really should think about your approach a little better next time.

In regards to your false claims regarding difference of opinion. One does not start a debate and ask for others opinions for the sole purpose of having others agree with me. If someone likes VS's cash back offer, I have no problem with that, and I invited others to do state so. Gagamel's first post was not a difference of opinion, as you so nicely put it. It was a clear declaration that he had enough of whining losers like myself always complaining, and I should man up. We can agree on one thing, and that's I do not agree with that insult, especially as my op does not mention anywhere that I was complaining about not receiving a comp. This is in stark contrast to your comments in the thread you so generously provided.

All in all Mark, you obviously didn't understand the thread like your friend, but at least he had the courage to say his piece whilst I was active, and did not wait until I said I won't post further.


Thanks for your off topic post Mark, but maybe just try a little harder next time you wish to attempt to discredit me.

You may have heard a saying about people who live in glass houses. If not, perhaps next time you are bonus hunting at the various rival casinos you seldom visit these days, you can look that saying up.

Again, to all other members who aren't commenting to purely, and quite poorly, try to discredit me any further, please feel free to continue the debate appropriately like the majority have, and I again apologise for the foul language I used and any offence caused. I felt I was continually being attacked by some members, who obviously didn't intend on contributing to the debate.

Mark, if you live in south Australia and would like to meet face to face for a coffee and chat, send me a pm and I'll be shouting.

I won't be posting any further as said, unless I feel the need to defend my honor against any other William Wallace's that decide to come out of the woodwork. So if you think you can now have a cheap shot like Mark did, please appreciate my right of reply which you will get. If you'd rather just leave me alone, that is also a preferred option.;)
 
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I personally love the slots race and 25% cash back offer - they both compliment each other well and it gives you a reason to keep playing.

With a deposit bonus; once the WR are completed you feel like there is no reason to continue and may as well withdraw. With VS system, every spin matters as each individual spin contributes to a future bonus. I just find playing with this system makes the same games feel more exciting here than other casinos.

The problem is though, the moment my luck changes for the worse, I'll end up hating this System and prefer the classic 100% match.
 

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Funny how the brave come out and comment after I say I won't post any further isn't it Mark?

Allow me to make an exception for you as you seemed as confused as your friend gagamel.

The difference between you and I is you were actually complaining about not receiving a comp, and you were also proven to be a bonus abuser by your own admissions. You smugly wish to remind me of a past thread, after I already declared in my op that I was originally a fan of the system before comparing it with more traditional free chip comps. Hence my op was not a complaint, but a debate based on my history and findings. I applaud you on attempting to jump on a band wagon, but you really should think about your approach a little better next time.

In regards to your false claims regarding difference of opinion. One does not start a debate and ask for others opinions for the sole purpose of having others agree with me. If someone likes VS's cash back offer, I have no problem with that, and I invited others to do state so. Gagamel's first post was not a difference of opinion, as you so nicely put it. It was a clear declaration that he had enough of whining losers like myself always complaining, and I should man up. We can agree on one thing, and that's I do not agree with that insult, especially as my op does not mention anywhere that I was complaining about not receiving a comp. This is in stark contrast to your comments in the thread you so generously provided.

All in all Mark, you obviously didn't understand the thread like your friend, but at least he had the courage to say his piece whilst I was active, and did not wait until I said I won't post further.


Thanks for your off topic post Mark, but maybe just try a little harder next time you wish to attempt to discredit me.

You may have heard a saying about people who live in glass houses. If not, perhaps next time you are bonus hunting at the various rival casinos you seldom visit these days, you can look that saying up.

Again, to all other members who aren't commenting to purely, and quite poorly, try to discredit me any further, please feel free to continue the debate appropriately like the majority have, and I again apologise for the foul language I used and any offence caused. I felt I was continually being attacked by some members, who obviously didn't intend on contributing to the debate.

Mark, if you live in south Australia and would like to meet face to face for a coffee and chat, send me a pm and I'll be shouting.

I won't be posting any further as said, unless I feel the need to defend my honor against any other William Wallace's that decide to come out of the woodwork. So if you think you can now have a cheap shot like Mark did, please appreciate my right of reply which you will get. If you'd rather just leave me alone, that is also a preferred option.;)

Oh no, I just stumbled accross this thread in passing. I figured you might make an "exception" for me ;) If that's how you wish to read my comment that's you're perogative. I can see you wrote a short essay. I'm going to make this short and sweet as I really can't be bothered since you seem to take anything and everything out of context consistently trying to argue about everything. Reported and about the coffee name the time and place :D
 
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It would seem a common denominator is people commenting after not being bothered reading long posts.

And what have I taken out of context Mark? Was your sole purpose in commenting on this thread to join the debate of comps vs. Cash back compensation systems, or to join the campaign against me? Judging by what you wrote I'd say the latter is true. I don't put things out of context, because unlike some, I carefully read posts.

And what have I been reported for Mark? Responding to your underhanded comments that you didn't think I'd respond to.

It would seem there are many double standards here. Some of you think you can post any hurtful comments, yet when the directed person responds in the same fashion, you are quick to take offence back and report it.

Double standards go hand in hand with living in a glass house mark. If you can't handle a similar response to what you have dished out, then say nothing at all.

I'm starting to think this is an organised attempt by a few to get me banned by the powers that be, as I have done nothing but respond to offensive posts directed at me. I didn't start one argument, yet the instigators report what they don't like in return.

Incredible.
 

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Azurri I haven't reported you and I can see your point about people jumping on a post and misunderstanding the point you make. But the way you responded to tirilej was way over the top and the stuff you called Gagamel was bang out of order. Noone has to like each other and its usual to find members that think other members dislike them and have a problem with them but that's no excuse for the offensive language aimed at Gagamel. And to be fair its obvious you and mark don't see eye to ye so if I was arguing with someone ad they asked me to meet them somewhere for a coffee in my opinion that person wouldn't really be wanting to meet to be best of friends so id also take that as a kind of threat
 

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Azurri I haven't reported you and I can see your point about people jumping on a post and misunderstanding the point you make. But the way you responded to tirilej was way over the top and the stuff you called Gagamel was bang out of order. Noone has to like each other and its usual to find members that think other members dislike them and have a problem with them but that's no excuse for the offensive language aimed at Gagamel. And to be fair its obvious you and mark don't see eye to ye so if I was arguing with someone ad they asked me to meet them somewhere for a coffee in my opinion that person wouldn't really be wanting to meet to be best of friends so id also take that as a kind of threat

Paul I respect your opinion, and agree my language aimed at gagamel was out of order, yet how many times would you like me to apologise?

Your comments honestly make me wonder how many people are actually reading the posts they're commenting on. Regarding tirileg, please reread the thread. My first post to her was extremely civil and polite. I also stated that I didn't mind her notifying Lucas. I took offense to her second post as she accused me of complaining about losing and not getting a comp, and also implied I was a blackmailer. This is after I made it very clear that my op was not a complaint, but a detailed history of my experience that led to me asking the question, is VS's cash back offer really as good as a traditional comp system. If you were me, would you find those comments offensive? It was clear from her first reaction that she assumed my post was derogatory towards VS and Lucas, yet I was happy to ignore that until she resorted to implying I was a complaining blackmailer.

Gagamel's comments were clearly calling me a whining loser who needs to man up. How is this at all constructive or relevant to my op. It's not. It was a clear attack that he continued, yet I'm not allowed to take offense, or have a right of reply? Again, put yourself in my shoes, would you find gagamels comments offensive?

Like I said, it would seem there are double standards at play here. How is it many other members contributed to the debate for and against VS, and there were no problems? Because they were civilized, constructive comments that were on topic and devoid of any personal put downs.

Regarding Mark, how is asking to meet for a face to face chat and coffee a threat? Now your just fishing.
 

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Regarding Mark, how is asking to meet for a face to face chat and coffee a threat? Now your just fishing.

I think it's pretty obvious but apparently there are quite a few things that you fail to understand. Why ask to meet for a face to face chat and coffee then? Right now during you're short essay or should I say response/retaliation? Stop treating CM members like air heads Azzurri.
 

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I think it's pretty obvious but apparently there are quite a few things that you fail to understand. Why ask to meet for a face to face chat and coffee then? Right now during you're short essay or should I say response/retaliation? Stop treating CM members like air heads Azzurri.

You really are a piece of work Mark.

I offered to buy you a coffee and have a face to face chat with you as you clearly have an issue with me, otherwise why else would you have a go at me on this thread whilst clearly ignoring the op's original question and debate? I thought a face to face chat over coffee like civilized men may be a better option to clear the air then a keyboard warrior, school yard back and forth such as the one you have instigated. Obviously your reaction and option to decline the offer means I understood your original intent perfectly. Another derailing poster with the sole intention of causing personal harm.

And you have absolutely no right to generalize and tell me to stop treating CM members like airheads. Do not confuse my treatment of you with how I treat others, as you are not in a position to do so.

My offer for coffee still stands.
 

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[derail]

I have now added two tags to this thread, cashback and videoslots. Can Azzurri and mrmark21 add coffee, airheads and friendship? :D

[/derail]
 
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Personally I play at a casino because I like it and bonuses are not everything like for instance I used Ladbrokes for over 10 years when they were microgaming even tho I knew I could get better offers elsewhere but fact I liked them meant I stayed loyal. I know a lot of players always ask for comps but its just a thing ive never bothered with. If I deposit and lose then so be it ive never went onto chat asking for a comp as ive lost my money same as ive never went onto chat and said can I get a bonus its my birthday. If a casino gives me comps then fine its not something id chase tho I know many do. End of day I play casinos because I like the whole package not just what they offer in bonuses.
I could have written that myself! Spot on.

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This maybe sound stupid coming from me now, but I do feel like I destroyed this thread.

I was told that this was such an important thing to discuss for so many. I'm sure it is.
This thread are so full of garbage now that I wanted to ask if someone couldn't start a new one on the same subject?
Anyone?Could you? Please?

Maybe a thread that's not controlled by one person, but by all of us as it should be, where we respect eachother :)
 

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Tirilej don't feel bad as in no way did you destroy this thread you simply posted your opinion and that is the idea of these posts. If the thread went off topic or simply turned into a nasty debate then whether you had posted or not it would have went the same way. I myself posted at beginning as well tho not in an offensive way. And to be honest if this thread got restarted I would just see it going the same way this one did as for some reason a few threads have went a similar way in recent times. So relax, enjoy the rest of your weekend and don't think that in any way whats been posted on here was solely your responsibility.
 

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I wouldn't expect a comp from any casino I lost at, I think I have asked once in 6 years!! I have made deposit after deposit at GUTS and not made one single withdrawal, I wouldn't ask for a comp though.
 

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Tirilej don't feel bad as in no way did you destroy this thread you simply posted your opinion and that is the idea of these posts. If the thread went off topic or simply turned into a nasty debate then whether you had posted or not it would have went the same way. I myself posted at beginning as well tho not in an offensive way. And to be honest if this thread got restarted I would just see it going the same way this one did as for some reason a few threads have went a similar way in recent times. So relax, enjoy the rest of your weekend and don't think that in any way whats been posted on here was solely your responsibility.

You're a nice guy Paul so thanks for that!

I see my responsibility, even though I had no idea when I wrote it that this could happen.
We learn something new each day and I have learned from this.
My opinion I posted is still the same though, but I'll be more careful next time I get angry.
 

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... school yard back and forth such as the one you have instigated. Obviously your reaction and option to decline the offer means I understood your original intent perfectly. Another derailing poster with the sole intention of causing personal harm.

It seems to me you can't say 10 words without insulting someone -- directly or in a back-handed way -- and that your first and guiding principle is that you are right and everyone else is wrong, regardless of what evidence, argument or reason might be presented to the contrary.

As it stands your recent posts have been little more than stink bombs with apparently no purpose other than to irritate and aggravate: you can take that crap elsewhere. Whether you are a troll by intention or by nature is unclear but either way I think it's time to take you up on your oft-repeated promise to take a break from the forums: 15 days "vacation" for being an unrepentant PITA, at least recently.

Please find a better attitude while you are away, that or find somewhere else to post.

@ Tirilej: as you can see you're not the only one who is having problems with Azzurri's BS. AFAICT he created the problem, you're just one of the folks that pointed it out.
 

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To be fair i can see where Azzurri is coming from.. As it seams as soon as someone does not agree with something that the majority in here belive to be the fact, some of you can come of as rather sarcastic and condescending. Not sure as if its intended or not. But someone having a complaint against a casino is not always a sore loser or has a gambling problem.
 

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But someone having a complaint against a casino is not always a sore loser or has a gambling problem.

But unfortunately that's what the tone of the initial post was, and continued on to be just that, Sore Loser.

The short story of the post was, "I lost money and am not getting enough free money".

Sure if the OP wants to post a thread like that its fine, but when people point out the reality of the situation he doesn't need to get out of hand.
 

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You're quite right. Not everyone who does has a gambling problem or suchlike. I believe many people who come here do have genuine reasons for doing so. However having read some of Azzuri's posts it seems to be that he closes and opens accounts at the drop of a hat for the slightest thing. No tolerance to failure at all. On a few occasions he has closed the account before a suitable resolution has been agreed.

It seems to be the case that people here have probably become tired of this. Hence the reaction. He reminds of the boy who cried wolf in many ways. The onlyy person who has ruined this thread is Azurri himself for being unable to take criticism. He gives out a lot of it. So he should have been willing to take it. Hopefully the break does him good.
 
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