Vegascasino21

[Lynchie51588]

Wow another deposit another win aother problem. This time, I deposit money into vegascasino21 and do my playthrough and get to the max cashout of 500 that I received. I ask them if everything was okay to cashout and they said they would let me know by email. I waited 2 days and came back on and they preceded to tell me to continue to wait and when I politely answered that I never recieve half the emails im promised and would appreciate them getting on the issue while I was on the chat, he told me that I was being unreasonable and that he would have to end the chat. Enraged I told him I wanted to speak to his manager and he tells me hes not in and closes the chat. I get on the next day and my account is closed, and I get a number on the casino lobby to call for support. It is a dead number, ahahahahah what do you know. I then go to their main site, where another number is listed, but this one also leads to a similar line that says no one is available, and no one has been available on it for 3 hours. This s%*$ is getting so old from every site i go to. Now I dont even have a way to get in contact with these people that owe me 500 dollars, and never recieved an email on why my account was blocked, and have no idea when im going to be unblocked. The Irep for Top Game said he was leaving this site so there isn't even anyone to help without posting publicly on this forum but im out of options, again, I need help from this forum!

 

[ksech]

You may be out of luck on the help, this is in the Rogue section of the site...

https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

Anyways, good luck!

 

[Lynchie51588]

I mean any help is good, all I really need is a phone number to get ahold of them, I mean come on, how can they have 2 phone numbers listed that don't even connect to anything.. Someone help please!

 

[jelsmith]

They are in the ROGUE pit that means they are worthless. They don't have working phone numbers likely because they do not want to be contacted. You are SOL on this one Im afraid. Sorry but stick to the accredited section and stay away from Top Game formats.

 

[BingoT]

I just dropped them a note about this thread.
~T~


Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response confirming the receipt of your ticket. One of our agents will get back to you as soon as possible. For your records, the details of the ticket are listed below. When replying, please make sure that the ticket ID is kept in the subject line to ensure that your replies are tracked appropriately.

Ticket ID: MZO-234792
Subject: Here is something for you to look at Please take a look at this Thanks
Department: General
Priority: High
Status: Open

Kind regards,

Poseidon

 

[Lynchie51588]

thank you!! hopefully you have better luck with their reps than I.

 

[Marie2473]

But why do you play at casinos like this? Why not check the accredited list instead?
I do hope u get paid but I dont think that u will - sorry!

 

[Lynchie51588]

I can not deposit on any casino but ones that have echecks and these.. and now no casinos accept echecks.. But don't worry I guess im done with casinos for good now

 

[kauphy]

there r some mg casinos that do accept echecks now.

i don,t know if they do for all or just for the u.s.

and these casinos r on the accredited list.

 

[KasinoKing]

there r some mg casinos that do accept echecks now.
i don,t know if they do for all or just for the u.s.
and these casinos r on the accredited list.

Unless Lynchie is already a member at MG casinos he/she wont be able to sign up to any now.

By eChecks, do you mean via www . echeck . com?
If so, some of the better Rival casinos have just started accepting this, e.g. Sloto, Box24, Vegas Sky, etc...
None of these are accredited of course, but they are OK in my opinion.

KK

 

[Lynchie51588]

I just didn't think I had to actually do research about which sites actually PAID out the money you won........... I thought this was just a given that they HAD to if they were ALLOWED to be opperating online.. I mean who would just assume that you gotta be worried about people actually owning a business that are allowed to just scam the shit out of you

 

[ksech]

That's one of the reasons this is such a great site. You can PM maxd to see if you have grounds for a PAB. There are a lot of online casinos which have scammed people out of their money. Doing a little research saves a lot in aggravation when trying to get your winnings.

Until something is done concerning the UIGEA and these ewallets, it may be better to NOT play for a bit. Unless you like having to fight tooth and nail for money that's yours. At some point in time we have all been there (although some may not want to openly admit this fact), which has led all of us to this site.

I wish you luck in collecting your winnings, although it may be you will have to use this as a learning tool. Peruse the accreditted section...
https://www.casinomeister.com/accredited-casinos/


Look through the rogue section...
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/


And if you decide you may want to try the PAB, read the rules...
https://www.casinomeister.com/player-arbitration-pab/

This is about the only help other players can give you...advice.
Take it or leave it. But don't keep playing at rogue casinos, and then complain you can't collect, get hold of CRS, or whatever. You will find other members will not have tolerance if you insist on continuing to playing at the scam artists of the online world. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but you've complained about 2 other casinos being unfair and scamming you out of funds. Live and learn...

 

[Lynchie51588]

Got a reply from a rep on another forum that tells me that I was frozen on the account for abusive chat, but then doesn't acknowledge the fact that I have 500 dollar withdrawl proccessing, the phone number that leads to nowhere, I never even asked for an explination as to why i was banned, I don't want to ever go on that site again, however, since you took my deposits and cashed them, I want the money that you OWE me, thats how that works..

 

[ksech]

You do realize, that some of these roguish casinos are ROGUED for this very reason? Their T&Cs are so loosely written that the casinos are in a win/win situation for themselves. Some of them (even some of the accreditted ones)even list in their T&Cs that abusive communications are grounds for denial/voiding of winnings.

It appears (from the other 2 threads you started) that you have issues when things don't go your way. YOU chose to play at dodgy casinos. YOU chose to use abusive communications via live chat/email. YOU must take responsibility for your actions.

There is no law that states they HAVE to pay you when you haven't adhered to THEIR T&Cs. Perhaps abusive attitude has helped you before, but in my world...You "verbally" abuse me and you get shown to the door....

 

[Lynchie51588]

You have no idea what the comments that were made were, or in what circumstances they were made.. Most of these are from calling them idiots. I would have no problem calling someone an idiot that is an idiot... that is my world.. thanks for your help...? Thanks to the 2 people actually getting something done though, appreciate it!

 

[BingoT]

Hi Lynchie51588
If you hear from them or if I do I will let you know what Garry says.
I am glad they got back to me pretty fast.
It's a pleasure helping anyone I can
Thank You
~T~

 

[Lynchie51588]

UPDATE* 2 weeks since I won 500, still NOT ONE EMAIL FROM SUPPORT OR CASHIER!!!! Also, this notorious FORM that I was banned for requesting still hasn't arrived in the mail.. what a joke.. I get banned for yelling at them for not sending me a faxback form link and they respond by banning my account and... still not sending me a faxback form..

 

[BingoT]

Hi Lynchie51588 I send a note to that [email protected] again about this.
Now I feel Garry should reply to this thread.
Thanks
~T~

 

[Lynchie51588]

Checked mail again, it is now monday, 5 PM central, 12 days no email from support, cashier, or any management, no faxback form or any other mail explaining what to send in, who to send it in to, and how to go about retrieving the money i am owed... Surely when management does read this, he has to be so embaressed to work for such a shady company.

EDIT: Still no working phone number listed for them. They have two different phone numbers listed still that lead no where.. No surprise here, just another indicator of how shady they are. Why not take off the phone numbers after me and the manager of this site told you they were deadlines?

 

[maxd]

The OP had filed a PAB on this issue on the 27th. Since they have ignored the advice given in the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ (regarding forum posts) before and after submitting the PAB I am setting their issue aside since it is clear that they prefer to take their chances here on the forums. Good luck!

 

[same_old]

Hi lyunchie,

Sorry to hear of the troubles you arer having but I do have to say reading YOUR posts it doesnt look like you are helping your own case anyway by constantly bagging the casino.

Yes they are rogue, yes they have taken your money and they are taking there sweet ass time to pay you but boy you arent helping your case any.

The members here at telling it to you straight- We get pissed off just as much as you are right now about these bloody rogue assholes- but you know what, it's people like YOU who are keeping them in business.

I mean you are basically saying that you can only deposit at places that take echeck and most of them are rogue, So why in hell are you even giving them your money in the first place??

If it is that hard for you to deposit online and gamble then this is telling you something. You need to stick around here and find a casino that takes echecks and if you can't find one and choose to deposit at a rogue- then im sorry but that is your own fault mate.

What I recommed in this case is to try and let Bingo sort this out for you. Stop contacting them for now and stop the abuse. At least let Bingo see what he can do for you. if nothing comes back from his angle then by all means pursue a different angle.

The best you can do right now is stay level headed and mature about it all.

Yes you may well lose the $500 and if you do I hope this is a lesson learnt and you stick around here and talk with other memebers who are in the same boat.

Yes, you will get the money back but the second half of what I said still applies.

Please dont take this as me having a go at you becuase im not- I want you to get your money back just as much as you do but I also want you to be smart about it.

Regards,

Same_old

 

[Lynchie51588]

hard to with hold such anger

 

[same_old]

I know mate and $500 is not something you want to let go.

Bingo is great for the player such as yourself so please at least keep in contact with him and see what comes of it- he may even give you a time frame on when you should take it further.

Im not sure if max will take it on but I do honestly think you will get your money back.. if not there is other avenues you can go down but I dont want to say them yet.

 

[maxd]

Im not sure if max will take it on ... if not there is other avenues you can go down but I dont want to say them yet.

As it happens no, I won't. From the number of blatant screw-ups in the Pitch-A-Bitch -- here and in the submission -- the OP has obviously completely ignored the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ in spite of being told several times that they need to read it. Fair enough, I'm sure they know best what's best for them, and they have my 'good luck' wishes on getting their issue resolved.

So fire away with those alternatives, the PAB is not going to happen.

 

[ksech]

Derail...
I went to the vegascasino21 site and couldn't find the general T&Cs for this casino. The bonus T&Cs were only a small blurb. May be I missed them?

@same old...In my opinion, this person has been offered a lot of advice, but seems bent on playing at rogued casinos then DEMANDING help. They aren't willing to help themselves (again my opinion) from the evidence they have supplied in the other 2 threads they have started demanding payment from 2 other casinos (one of which is also rogued). They have my sympathy, but I can only totally sympathize and empahize with someone who is willing to do their fair share. This person has done the complete opposite of what is asked of them. Bingo T is a sweetheart to help out this person who seems really immature and irrational.

 

[Lynchie51588]

Yeah, because you can't tell I had this thread open before I tried a PAB.. Also the only "screw ups" I had were giving you two emails that you said werent supported.... wow.... thanks again for keusch's helpful post AGAIN.. wow...

 

[vinylweatherman]

Yeah, because you can't tell I had this thread open before I tried a PAB.. Also the only "screw ups" I had were giving you two emails that you said werent supported.... wow.... thanks again for keusch's helpful post AGAIN.. wow...

2 listed phone numbers that don't work.
Bogus excuses made up to stall the payout process.
Ignoring ALL attempts to communicate.
Ignoring ALL attempts by helpful others to mediate.

This all points to an INTENTIONALLY rogue operation. It is plain DECEPTIVE to post contact phone numbers that just don't exist in order to fool customers into thinking the business is "legit". I bet the "license" is just as bogus, Costa Rica perhaps?

Do they have a postal address?

If so, "Google earth" it, and make sure it's not a Pizza takeaway like Pamper casino

You are going to have to be VERY persistent, and a bit devious, to get that $500 out of them. The up front "angry" approach isn't working, so change tactic and throw them off balance.
Aim to make it cost them more money NOT to pay you the $500 than to pay you and ban you.

It has already lead to YET ANOTHER thread about TopGame clearly setting out to scam players by having bogus information on their website. Remember, NO general T & C (they can therefore claim pretty much anything), and virtually NO promotional terms, again meaning they can make up whatever excuse they want, and claim it has "always been our policy".

Incompetence on this scale is NO ACCIDENT, this is "incompetence by design".

This also shows how US players in particular are exposed to the rogues because almost all of the reputable operators have pulled out of the US, and any that remain are sure to pull out sooner rather than later. This will leave ONLY the rogue casinos to take action from US players, and since they are rogue by nature, they will be the last to get shut down by UIGEA enforcement action because they will take extreme risks with PLAYERS' money in order to keep the deposits flowing.

 

[Nifty29]

Yeah, because you can't tell I had this thread open before I tried a PAB.. Also the only "screw ups" I had were giving you two emails that you said werent supported.... wow.... thanks again for keusch's helpful post AGAIN.. wow...

Ummm...just because the thread is OPEN doesn't mean you have to POST anything Yet another Nobel Prize candidate....

If you don't like the help, you can always leave.

 

[maxd]

... the only "screw ups" I had were giving you two emails that you said werent supported....

Actually you managed a fair number:

• didn't read the FAQ even though you signed off on the PAB form which says "I have read and understand the PAB FAQ".
• continued to post here on the forums even though the FAQ says "don't post".
• gave me a Hotmail address which is explicitly and repeatedly defined in the PAB form and the FAQ as being unacceptable for the PAB purposes, along with Yahoo and AOL addresses.
• then gave me a Yahoo address (!) when I took the time to write to you to explain about the Hotmail address, etc, not being acceptable and remind you again to read the FAQ.

How much more do you want? No offense but try reading the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ next time. It's save us both a lot of frustration.

 

[aceking123]

pab question

maxd ?...................................... gave me a Hotmail address which is explicitly and repeatedly defined in the PAB form and the FAQ as being unacceptable for the PAB purposes, along with Yahoo and AOL addresses. sincw when does having a hotmail count as zero for a pab ive had the same hotmail account for years without any problems , so if i was to pab for something would you reject me due to me only having a hotmail account ???? plz take note that ive not looked over the pabs for a long time.

 

[maxd]

... sincw when does having a hotmail count as zero for a pab ive had the same hotmail account for years without any problems , so if i was to pab for something would you reject me due to me only having a hotmail account ????

Have a look at the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ, specifically the section entitled What do I need before I fill out the PAB form? (proper Email addresses). That'll answer most of your questions.

Please note that we're talking about a situation here where a player repeatedly kept making mistakes and gaffs simply because he refused to read the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ which he already declared he had read and understood when he filed his PAB. At some point one simply has to say "WTF dude?!? RTFM!"

So would I reject a PAB if you flatly refused to give a non-AOL, non-Yahoo, non-Hotmail address? No, but I wouldn't go out of my way to chase it for you either. The bottom line is that those services randomly discard emails from people like us, gambling-related sites, and have done so for the better part of the decade that I've been in this business.

You've had great luck with your Hotmail account? Great, but many many hours have been wasted chasing people who have not been so lucky. At some point a line has to be drawn and asking for a reliable email account is not too unreasonable, IMHO.

So my call is that if you can't be arsed to get a Gmail account, or whatever, then I can't commit my time to chase your PAB when I can't count on being able to reach you or hear back from you when I need to. In a case like this I submit it and walk away from it unless something comes up that needs my attention.

By contrast, if you comply with the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ, I chase your issue regularly, week after week, until there is progress or the casino simply proves to be deadbeats at which point we issue a Casinomeister Warning and/or Rogue 'em. It's your choice, but I've got to do what I've got to do to keep from wasting my time and Bryan's money.

ALSO: please note that every effort has been made to ensure that potential PABers know the situation regarding email addresses. It's part of the Pitch-A-Bitch form itself, it's repeated ad nauseum in the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ, and it was pegged in each of the Complaints forums for several months starting in Sept last year (see Link Outdated / Removed, for example).

The bottom line is that we've done everything we can to let people know about it. At some point the ball is simply in their hands: if they drop it then it's on them to bend down and pick it back up.
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[GrandMaster]

Have a look at the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ, specifically the section entitled What do I need before I fill out the PAB form? (proper Email addresses). That'll answer most of your questions.

Actually, I have a yahoo e-mail address and have no problems.

 

[maxd]

Actually, I have a yahoo e-mail address and have no problems.

That's great, I'm happy for you, but that's so not the point.

My experience working for gambling-related sites over the years is that about 10-15% of emails sent to or from Yahoo "disappear". Hotmail is slightly better, AOL is much worse. And it's not just me by the way, the registration queue on the forums gets choked with incomplete registrations because people never receive the confirmation link in the email we send them (to these services). It's just part of the reality of our business.

So, let's say that on average about 15% of emails to or from my Casinomeister email address get eaten by these guys. That means that 15% of the time I'm waiting to get stuff that will never arrive or waiting to hear back on things that the recipient will never see. Now I have to chase after those lost emails, and deal with people that are pissed off because supposedly I didn't reply, or they think I didn't follow through like I said I would, or whatever. The point is that's time and effort completely pissed down the drain simply because of crappy email service.

With Gmail, for example, there is basically 0% loss, so 0% wasted time (in this regard). So, obviously it's not hard to do the math here: either I waste 15% of my time because of crap email addresses or I waste 0% of my time if the PABer makes a little extra effort and gets a more reliable service, at least for the purposes of our exchanges regarding the PABs. As a courtesy to the PABers I usually CC my correspondence to their other email addresses if they have them.

In other words it doesn't really matter whether your particular Yahoo or Hotmail or AOL address is reliable in your opinion. What matters to me is that emails to and from my work address -- and I believe that is the significant issue here -- via these services are unreliable and have been so for years. Given that that is the reality I have to deal with I believe the alternate email address thing is a pretty reasonable compromise.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Taking a quick look, the FAQ is VERY comprehensive, but the form is very SIMPLE.

One possible problem might be that the FAQ is TOO comprehensive. You have to constantly click back and forth for each of the many points, rather than have "in-page expansion" so that the whole lot can be read in one go.

What might help would be to have the entire FAQ available as a downloadable PDF document, so that people can really take their time to read it thoroughly.

The point about email addresses is REPEATEDLY made throughout, and the reasons given.

Many players have these Hotmail, Yahoo, etc addresses because their ISP's don't provide any, and direct customers to whatever service they have some kind of "tie-in" with.
My own ISP, Virgin Media, has ditched it's own "in house" email service, and outsourced it to Google, which uses (fortunately for me), the more reliable technology behind Gmail.

ANYONE can sign up for the main Gmail service, whether or not your ISP provides one, or partners with a competitor. There should be no problem just getting a Gmail address just for the PAB process, although it might help players realise that they ARE not getting as reliable a service as they thought. You might be surprised at how many promotions you are eligible for, yet never see because Hotmail & Co have blocked them. You may not even KNOW this is happening, simply because you were not EXPECTING these offers in the first place.

I have found promotions snagged in my Virgin Media spam folder, ones I was NOT expecting, so would never had missed if I didn't occasionally inspect the performance of the anti-spam service.

As a last resort, you can buy your own domain, and create your OWN email domain with it. My domain supports such a service, even though I have not implemented it.

Mine costs under £30 per year (about $50), not much if you can afford to play casinos.

 

[maxd]

ANYONE can sign up for the main Gmail service ....

There are many free email services. In the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ and in my emails to the PABers I recommend Gmail and GMX because (a) they are free and open to everyone and (b) I have personally tested them. But there are countless other services too, one hardly needs to go out of their way to find them.

Your point about the FAQ needing a restructure and/or better navigation is well taken. I've thought so myself and have been meaning to take a stab at if for some time. The downloadable version is a good idea, I'll discuss it with Bryan. Thanks for that.

 

[vinylweatherman]

There are many free email services. In the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ and in my emails to the PABers I recommend Gmail and GMX because (a) they are free and open to everyone and (b) I have personally tested them. But there are countless other services too, one hardly needs to go out of their way to find them.

Your point about the FAQ needing a restructure and/or better navigation is well taken. I've thought so myself and have been meaning to take a stab at if for some time. The downloadable version is a good idea, I'll discuss it with Bryan. Thanks for that.

Maybe, but the big hitters like Hotmail, Yahoo, etc get all the exposure. the other free email services may turn out to have similar problems. Gmail is also one of the "big boys", but if you have no knowledge of the issues, you will think one free service is just as good as another.

Gmail is one you mention, but the reat have to be searched for. Since they are less well known, players may be reluctant to trust them, preferring instead to trust the likes of Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail, etc.

Microsoft also have a free email service, a new entrant, but from the biggest "boy" out there in the PC world. How does their product perform when it comes to reliable forwarding of emails?

 

[maxd]

Microsoft also have a free email service, a new entrant, but from the biggest "boy" out there in the PC world. How does their product perform when it comes to reliable forwarding of emails?

No idea, what is it? Give us a link and I'll be happy to look into it.

So far Gmail and GMX.com have been flawless, in my experience. Most people provide an ISP email addy when asked for an alternate, these are also hassle-free.

FWIW, from the professional side of the scene, AOL/Yahoo/Hotmail are generally considered crap. They have overt and/or hidden policies about content and enforce these policies sporadically. Unreliable shite IMO.

 

[vinylweatherman]

No idea, what is it? Give us a link and I'll be happy to look into it.

So far Gmail and GMX.com have been flawless, in my experience. Most people provide an ISP email addy when asked for an alternate, these are also hassle-free.

FWIW, from the professional side of the scene, AOL/Yahoo/Hotmail are generally considered crap. They have overt and/or hidden policies about content and enforce these policies sporadically. Unreliable shite IMO.

Not tried it - think it has something to do with MSN Messenger. I could be wrong about it actually being a service, it might just be something to use with another email service.

 

[maxd]

Not tried it - think it has something to do with MSN Messenger.

Ah, that makes it a no-go AFAIC. I don't use messenger for security reasons and there's no way I would ask PABers to use it just to get access to MSN's email service.

Sounds typical of MSN now that you mention it. Sod 'em, there are perfectly good services out there with _much_ fewer strings attached.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Ah, that makes it a no-go AFAIC. I don't use messenger for security reasons and there's no way I would ask PABers to use it just to get access to MSN's email service.

Sounds typical of MSN now that you mention it. Sod 'em, there are perfectly good services out there with _much_ fewer strings attached.

How easy are they to find, AND research to get the TRUTH about how good they are.

EVERY service is going to have "we're the best, choose us" on their own website, just as you will find Yahoo and Hotmail will tell you they are the best if you look at their own website for information.

 

[ksech]

Since we've already derailed the topic A question on the email thing...
I currently receive the news letter to both my hughes.net account AND my hotmail account (not sure why both). I am hoping after the first of the year to get rid of my very expensive, not all that reliable satellite internet provider. I am hoping to finally get road runner. Would this be an acceptable(supported) email address for a PAB? (Not that I've ever had cause to PAB and as current events are now am not playing online). Just wanted to know for future reference....

 

[maxd]

Not sure what RoadRunner is but if it ain't AOL, Yahoo or Hotmail it ain't a problem AFAIC.

 

[ksech]

Not sure if being in the UK you have knowledge of Time Warner? Road Runner is a high speed (I believe a T 1 connection?) connection, goes through the cable lines. Grrr, not sure how to explain this. IF I get the road runner, I'll look into a gmail account, would probably a lot easier Thanks for the answer!

 

[Lynchie51588]

Just curious as to if anyone has ever gotten a hold of a topgame rep? I know BingoT was able to get him to respond to him one time, the first day this threat was open, and the guy refuses to reply to him anymore as well... Just wondering if anyone has ever had any questions answered by them or asked questions to which they recieved responses? Still awaiting an email, did some googling and found out about the owner of vegascasino21 but she as well, did not recieve any emails.

 

[maxd]

One possible problem might be that the FAQ is TOO comprehensive. You have to constantly click back and forth for each of the many points, rather than have "in-page expansion" so that the whole lot can be read in one go.

Your point about the FAQ needing a restructure and/or better navigation is well taken. I've thought so myself and have been meaning to take a stab at if for some time.

Apologies for the OT post but I've since gone back and added some (internal) navigation to the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ. If anyone has comments on that I'd be happy to receive them. (might be best to PM me to avoid further derailments here. thx.)

 

[Lynchie51588]

Ohhhhh GARRRRRYYYYYY, Rep from Topgame... Where areeeee youuuuu!??? Don't you want to share with us your side of the story, and perhaps why you are stealing money from people? No? Oh .. yeah that make sense..

 

[SlotKing]

Ohhhhh GARRRRRYYYYYY, Rep from Topgame... Where areeeee youuuuu!??? Don't you want to share with us your side of the story, and perhaps why you are stealing money from people? No? Oh .. yeah that make sense..

Honestly...

Lynchie... it's time to grow up. Even the worst posters don't resort to sayings like "Where areeeee youuuuu!???"

I hate to sound harsh, but if you want ANY chance of getting your issue resolved, it won't be done here. Max has already stated your PAB is null and void, because you continually violated the PAB FAQ. Since you continue to disregard his warnings about posting, and you continue to be harsh and critical of other members trying to offer assistance, you might as well throw in the towel. It's a ridiculous idea thinking that posting such childish gibberish on this forum will get you anywhere.

I wish you luck, but it's looking worse and worse every day, partly due to your OWN actions.

EDIT: Did you ever, once, see these?

Q: I have already, or would like to, post about my complaint on the message boards. Is that a good idea?

A: No, it is not a good idea. A PAB is a private negotiation process and it works because it gives the casino people the best possible opportunity to resolve your issue calmly and fairly in talks with professional industry people without the burden of external pressures or influence.
A message posted on the boards is quite the opposite: it creates a very public public-relations issue that the casino people generally feel forced to contain, or ignore, as best they can.

Because of the pressures involved a forum post on a given issue will usually derail any PABs that are in progress on that issue, and this is why we advise that forum posts be withheld until the PAB process has had a chance to run it's course.

We reserve the right to discard any PAB that where that same issue has been posted to the boards. This relates to threads started by, or contributions to other threads by, the person who filed the PAB. This applies equally to posts made before or after the PAB was filed.

In other words in the case where the material was posted before the PAB was filed we will determine whether those posts would damage or thwart the PAB process before we decide if we will proceed with the PAB. In the case where the material was posted after the PAB was filed there is a very high probability that we will suspend or discard the PAB at that point.

Once we indicate that we are finished with a PAB the person who filed it is free to post about the issue as they see fit (all the usual Casinomeister Forum Rules are applicable).

If not, you might want to re-read THE ENTIRE SECTION. Then, the next time you have an issue (which is likely, seeing from your past posts), it can be resolved (hopefully) the correct way.

 

[LHofsdal]

You have no idea what the comments that were made were, or in what circumstances they were made.. Most of these are from calling them idiots. I would have no problem calling someone an idiot that is an idiot... that is my world.. thanks for your help...? Thanks to the 2 people actually getting something done though, appreciate it!

Got a reply from a rep on another forum that tells me that I was frozen on the account for abusive chat, but then doesn't acknowledge the fact that I have 500 dollar withdrawl proccessing, the phone number that leads to nowhere, I never even asked for an explination as to why i was banned, I don't want to ever go on that site again, however, since you took my deposits and cashed them, I want the money that you OWE me, thats how that works..

In another forum you posted this:

finally got a reply from the rep on here but he stated that i dropped an F bomb on one of his support reps in game, so they banned me.. This is how smart they are, never did I ask why I was banned, I asked where my money is, how i am going to get it, and why they have a bogus phone number, none of which was answered by this guy. what do you know...?
A rep did contact you. In your previous post you said you were banned fro calling them idiots. In the other forum you don't mention calling anyone an Idiot. I know your frustrated, but this is not the way to go about things. I agree with Slotking. I really think your beating a dead horse anyways. They aren't going to pay you. Take it as lesson learned. Now you know not to play there.

LH

 

[ksech]

As it happens no, I won't. From the number of blatant screw-ups in the Pitch-A-Bitch -- here and in the submission -- the OP has obviously completely ignored the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ in spite of being told several times that they need to read it. Fair enough, I'm sure they know best what's best for them, and they have my 'good luck' wishes on getting their issue resolved.

So fire away with those alternatives, the PAB is not going to happen.

Actually you managed a fair number:

• didn't read the FAQ even though you signed off on the PAB form which says "I have read and understand the PAB FAQ".
• continued to post here on the forums even though the FAQ says "don't post".
• gave me a Hotmail address which is explicitly and repeatedly defined in the PAB form and the FAQ as being unacceptable for the PAB purposes, along with Yahoo and AOL addresses.
• then gave me a Yahoo address (!) when I took the time to write to you to explain about the Hotmail address, etc, not being acceptable and remind you again to read the FAQ.

How much more do you want? No offense but try reading the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ next time. It's save us both a lot of frustration.

@slotking and LHofsdal: He doesn't want to play by any rules but his own.
And since Oliver Beck left, I don't see any other Topgame rep stepping in to "fill" his shoes (at least there isn't one listed in the I_Gaming Reps list).

 

[Lynchie51588]

Lol honestly if youre not going to help in the post, why post? Don't you understand that you've already done damage by saying nonesense things Ei Kesch and variuos others? LOL Why keep telling me that i've posted making me unable to PAB? You've already told me that, so I have to keep posting here, because I've accidently sent two emails that werent valid to Maxd, WHOOPS. Honestly, Grow up, Don't post where your post isn't wanted.

Edit: Another nonsense post that i'll clarify for, for some reason..?, I already stated that they did, infact, email back ONCE. Not to me, to BingoT. Thanks for reading carefully.. LOL