Vegas Frontier and FortuneLounge Spam

[mikekloeg]

im realy tired of it now
i try to unscript it evry time
evry email

how can i stopp them????


is vegasFrontier And fortune lounge same?/

there wont anser any mail back



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If Vegas Frontier And Fortune Lounge wont stop this Crap
i take thoose 2 For the Judge


im so tired of thoose 2

Dayly same shit

 

[Bruce Hamilton]

I suspect it's one of the FL affiliates sending it with another casino's email address to avoid being caught by FL. Vegas Frontier uses RTG software, and all of FL's casinos use MG. I'm just glad to know I'm not the only one getting this crap.

 

[GemG7]

I'm getting this crap too. Usually 3 of the same emails too at the same time.

 

[paul1]

If Vegas Frontier And Fortune Lounge wont stop this Crap
i take thoose 2 For the Judge

Here comes da judge.

 

[fortunelounge]

This communication was brought to you by a third party and not 7Sultans as advertised.

According to this phrase we did not send these mails to you.

I would appreciate it if you could send me the original mail you received then I can investigate where it originated from. With some luck I may be able to stop these from getting to you.

VP Operations
Fortune Lounge

 

[mikekloeg]

Thats Great

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[mikekloeg]

[email protected]


i have send it too That Adress


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[fortunelounge]

mikekloeg: Please send the mail to [email protected]. I will not receive anything from Fortune Affiliates.

VP Operations
Fortune lounge

 

[mary]

Fortune Lounge, you need to know that Fortune Affiliates has not shut down the affiliate who has been sending triplicate spam for over a month now. This affiliate's messages offer an unsubscribe function that is not honored.

I'll forward to you the next spams I get.

 

[mary]

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[mary]

And again:

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[mary]

Casino Prophet is a BIG FAT SPAMMER

Got that kids?

I know a lot of players will recognize his spam. It typically comes in multiple copies. Unsubscribe does nothing. Emailing it to "[email protected]" does nothing. He posts a lot at affiliate fora.

 

[mary]

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[The Dude]

You are aware that there is a relationship between S. Berkowitz and the Crystal Palace casinos, right? It's made pretty obvious here as well.

And doesn't this have something to do with FL getting shut down by Spamhaus a few weeks ago? My memory is a bit cloudy on this.

 

[spearmaster]

I made a complaint to Fortune Affiliates.

What they did - ask the spammer to unsubscribe me, as they have done in the past - and I guarantee you I will reappear on his lists within a month.

VP - time to request that this guy be shut down - I really don't care if he is your biggest affiliate, his tactics are unethical and, as you have already seen, have caused a mighty big problem for you in the past.

 

[The Dude]

...his tactics are unethical and, as you have already seen, have caused a mighty big problem for you in the past.

Ditto.

 

[GrandMaster]

And again:

xhttp://www.vegas-villa.com/default.asp?BTag=MS_123800_478660_040446&link=

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To: [mary's email address]
From: "no purchase needed" <[email protected]>
Subject: $10 free to try slots
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

Yes, this is exactly the sort of spam I have been getting. I have forwarded several to Complaints@ FortuneAffiliates.com, but nothing happened despite their claims that "Fortune Affiliates complies with the CAN_SPAM Act 2003 and will not tolerate SPAM from Affiliates. Any Affiliate found to be guilty of spamming will be dealt with appropriately." As a side note, the European Union has stricter rules on data protection, which includes handling of e-mail addresses, but there is no mention of this anywhere on the site.

 

[fortunelounge]

Thank you for posting the information that enabled me to investigate this issue properly.

Casinoprophet is not an affiliate but has a publisher relationship with Slickstreet Marketing who are now working hard on incorporating their unsubscribe process into his mail system.Although this process has experienced some hickups and manual intervention, it will be resolved and the unsubscribe process should soon be effective.

We apologise for any inconvenience and wish to assure you that we follow very strict anti-spam policies.

In the meantime, if anyone receives unwanted mail from this publisher, please forward me your details and I will assist in getting you removed from the publisher's mailing list.

VP Operations
Fortune lounge

 

[GemG7]

Casinoprophet is not an affiliate but has a publisher relationship with Slickstreet Marketing who are now working hard on incorporating their unsubscribe process into his mail system.Although this process has experienced some hickups and manual intervention, it will be resolved and the unsubscribe process should soon be effective.
We apologise for any inconvenience and wish to assure you that we follow very strict anti-spam policies.

The unsubscribe process has never been effective in trying to get off this spammers email list. I don't believe for a minute that there has been some hiccups in the process.

 

[scrollock]

You are aware that there is a relationship between S. Berkowitz and the Crystal Palace casinos, right? It's made pretty obvious here as well.

And doesn't this have something to do with FL getting shut down by Spamhaus a few weeks ago? My memory is a bit cloudy on this.

also he cant decide on whether his surname is richards or Berkowitz, or what country he lives in, never a good sign.

looks like fortune lounge is on self destruct mode if they are allowing this relationship to continue

 

[mary]

"fortunelounge", thanks for the speedy reply, but I'm afraid your employer is demonstrating a real lack of ethics here.

*People have been reporting this spammer to the "abuse" address for weeks without any response, so Fortune Lounge clearly has known about this problem all this time.

*It's obvious that this spammer buys bad lists; sends multiple emails to the same addresses; and does not care whether or not the "unsubscribe" function is implemented.

*It's not the public's responsibility to have to respond to "unsubscribes".

*It has long been Fortune Lounge's explicitly stated policy that they will not tolerate spam. That has been shown to be a total lie.

Clearly, this Casino Prophet the Spammer makes so much money for Fortune Lounge that they're willing to keep him on as a marketer and risk having their sites made inaccessible by spam blocking backlash. I'm very disappointed in this response.

 

[mary]

I just got another one from "[email protected]"

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[spearmaster]

VP -

You may have a publisher relationship with CasinoProphet, but he is most definitely:

1. An affiliate, if not necessarily so in your case
2. A spammer.

Your response, unfortunately, is not acceptable - everyone in this industry knows who CasinoProphet is and I am absolutely amazed that you would even enter into a relationship with him.

Please let us know when you have dealt with this. I am very sure eCOGRA would like to see this relationship terminated immediately without having to hear the flimsy excuses that he gives you to use.

I repeat again - I have years of back emails that can prove this fact. Why none of you claim to know Casinoprohet completely baffles me. Or is that just one of the excuses from Slickstreet which hides the fact that they KNOW he is the industry's biggest spammer?

 

[GrandMaster]

Casinoprophet is not an affiliate but has a publisher relationship with Slickstreet Marketing who are now working hard on incorporating their unsubscribe process into his mail system.Although this process has experienced some hickups and manual intervention, it will be resolved and the unsubscribe process should soon be effective.

People should not have to unsubscribe in the first place. Furthermore, unsubscribe requests are often used by spammers to confirm that an e-mail address is live, so even if it is taken off one list, it is sold on as a confirmed address to another spammer.

In the meantime, if anyone receives unwanted mail from this publisher, please forward me your details and I will assist in getting you removed from the publisher's mailing list.

You might regret this offer, if only a few people forward their spam to you, your inbox will be flooded.

 

[mikekloeg]

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[mary]

Here's the transmission routes for four more. I've been getting these damn things in ever increasing amounts for months and I'm sick of it. I'm posting the routes so that casino reps and the public know exactly what is going on.
I don't want to read any more excuses. The casino knows my email and they have the power to stop this harrassment. I'm a VIP customer at Fortune Lounge.

All they have to do IS STOP PAYING THE SPAMMER.

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[Bruce Hamilton]

I thought AOL was supposed to have such sophisticated spam kill filters...

 

[GemG7]

This is BS, I just received 3 more of the exact same spam email. My ISP does send these to my screened mail folder. This is making me never want to deposit another dime at FL casinos.

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[mary]

AOl is catching most of them, but I still have to look through my spambox every day because I'll get mail from folks not on my whitelist.

It's a mental respite more than a real savior.

 

[vickie40]

I also have AOL and am still receiving a minimum of 10-15 emails a day from the spammers. However, for some reason or other half the time they go to my spam mail and the other part of the time they show up in my mailbox.

I'm just glad to know I'm not the only one who has been receiving them.

 

[Bruce Hamilton]

I guess I somehow managed to unsubscribe. I was getting three to four a day, and they stopped as quickly as they started. <knocking on desk>

 

[mikekloeg]

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[mary]

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[GemG7]

I got this one 3 times this morning too

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7 Sultans, 1934 Driftwood Bay, Belize City, Belize

This communication was brought to you by a third party and not 7Sultans as advertised.

 

[mary]

I got the same one for 7 Sultans.

I also got spam form the same spammer (Casino Prophet) for another Ecogra member, the Belle Rock Group. So, this is turning into an embarrassment for ECOGRA too. I'm not eligible for any of these sign-up offers, I'd be locked
out for bonus abuse.

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[Ivy29]

Spam

I'm getting hammered with them, too. Block sender isn't even working.

 

[dominique]

It is very annoying. Fortune, Referback, this does have to stop.

Please reel in your affiliate!

 

[GrandMaster]

Mary, you might want to remove your e-mail address from these posts, or you will get even more spam.

 

[mikekloeg]

if this Keeps up for the upcoming 72Hrs
i will be very Mad

and Take my Own action To stop it

 

[mary]

GM, that's not my real email address, but it's good to point that out if anybody else JOINS ME IN MY PAIN!

Three more this afternoon....

Let me emphasize some points:

*I am not complaining about real opt-in emailings. I get the casino's newsletter for their members and I'm ok with that.

*I have tried to unsubscribe via the provided links. It may or may not have had the effect of multiplying my torment. It certainly hasn't stopped it.

*I am forwarding them all to [email protected]
I have yet to receive the courtesy of a reply to my email, but perhaps things are getting a bit flooded there.

*I've sent them to the [email protected] address as well. No replies from that address and of course it has had no effect.

*This has been going on in increasing severity for several months. Fortune lounge representatives have made statements in several fora that this problem would be fixed. This clearly has not happened.

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[mary]

If you're as mad as I am, you might want to check out Spam Cop.

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[The Dude]

*I've sent them to the [email protected] address as well. No replies from that address and of course it has had no effect...

I believe Spam@[COLOR=Red]FortuneAffiliates[/COLOR].com is the correct address, Mary.

 

[GrandMaster]

Fortune Affiliates gives [email protected] as the e-mail address to be used for complaints.

 

[fortunelounge]

*I am forwarding them all to [email protected]
I have yet to receive the courtesy of a reply to my email, but perhaps things are getting a bit flooded there.

mary; I have not received any of these mails. All mails addressed to this mail address go into a priority mailbox.

Please either send them again or use the PM facility on this site.

I have received confirmation from Slickstreet Marketing that the publisher will ensure that unsubscribes are honored.

VP Operations
Fortune Lounge

 

[The Dude]

Hi Wim,

Thanks!

But I think what is getting people riled up is not so much the problem of unsubscribing, but receiving a spammy email in the first place.

I have an account at a number of casinos. I should never ever receive an email from anyone concerning these casinos unless it is coming directly from these casinos. I should never receive an ad for any casino (especially those I have an account at) unless I request one. And I never do.

But I receive spammy emails everyday. 98% of the time I hit delete. When I get pissed off, I send them off to the affiliate manager. Screw the unsubscribe, unsubscribe is a misnomer anyway. There was no subscription in the fist place. Screw the "if you received this email in error blah blah..." my email address was spidered off of Casinomeister.

Affiliates under no circumstances should be emailing anyone their "ads" unless it is through their own resources by having a "Closed-Loop Opt-In". For instance a real newsletter that real people subscribe to.

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I'm unsure how affiliate managers can manage this, because they have no idea whether or not an affiliate will spam their affiliate code to a kagillion players until after the fact. And then it's too late.

 

[greedygirl]

The obvious spam-annoyance issue aside, this can only serve to infuriate responsible publishers.

Folks like Casinomeister, Got2Bet, WinnerOnline and others (yep, including my home base), have been working hard for years to cull DOUBLE-OPT member lists. We have done the hard yards in gaining traffic, without resorting to devious, unethical means. Because of crap like what is described in this thread, we are having to waste time, effort and in some instances, money, to get these DOUBLE-OPT newsletters and other emails through to our members.

Example: Someone signs up for membership at GoneGambling (sorry--I'm only using this as the example, as this is my own experience, though I'm certain it is similar for Bryan and Spear). When they sign up for membership, they also check the box asking if they'd like to receive the newsletter as well as other emails, which come DIRECTLY and SOLELY from GoneGambling. The new member checks this box. A few months later, the member decides for whatever reason they no longer wish to be a member of GoneGambling. Rather than notify GoneGambling that they would like to unsubscribe, they simply contact their ISP, claiming spam. Depending on what ISP they use, we can be blacklisted based upon the one complaint. With AOL, we've been fighting for the past two years on this. Each time we get back on their white list, a new claim is made and we have to start the whole process over of being removed from the blacklist. As a result, we no longer accept AOL email addy's on new registrations.

Further, there was a time when buying mail drops (not to be confused with list-buying), was an invaluable tool to develop new traffic. This has all been shut down, due to seasoned spammers.

This sort of practice is damaging to the industry and is a slap in the face to those who deliver traffic responsibly to the casinos. There just has to be a point in time where casino marketing chooses to do the right thing and not just the "money" thing.

 

[mary]

vpops, please consult with your IT department. I've fowarded 15 spams to you in the last three days; I've recieved no bounce response. You could ver well have spam filtering in place that you don' know about, if somebody else set up your account and computer.

I've posted the routing info and some copies of the email in this thread, so you have this information available right here.

I will PM all 15.

 

[mary]

Screw it, I'm not getting paid for this.

I'm not going to spend my time breaking 15 spams into 30 PMs (size limits).

If Fortune Lounge and Belle Rock Group are serious about their anti-spam policy, they can have their own employees drop their spam filters and see what they get. Getting the spam isn't difficult; it's not getting it that's hard. Their employees can test the opt-out provision using hotmail addresses. ECOGRA can easily test for compliance as well.

Going forward, any more spam I recieve from Shawn Bercovitz aka Shawn Richards of "Casino Prophet" I will post here in its entirety with the heading info. That way, my fellow players can evaluate it against their own mailboxes, and anybody who wants to do anything about it will have it all in one place. It will be so much more convenient to staff at Fortune Lounge, Belle Rock, and ECOGRA this way.

I won't be wasting my time emailing anything to Fortune Lounge or Belle Rock. It's not my responsibility to debug their spam filtering setups.

It's not the responsibility of anybody recieving spam to fix this situation. I'm disappointed in Fortune Lounge that this is happening at all and I'm disappointed that they seem to think it's the world's responsibility to track it down.

 

[dominique]

We have done the hard yards in gaining traffic, without resorting to devious, unethical means. Because of crap like what is described in this thread, we are having to waste time, effort and in some instances, money, to get these DOUBLE-OPT newsletters and other emails through to our members.

This sort of practice is damaging to the industry and is a slap in the face to those who deliver traffic responsibly to the casinos. There just has to be a point in time where casino marketing chooses to do the right thing and not just the "money" thing.

This is a big beef of mine, too.

Freaking spammers have made it almost impossible for legitimate, double opt in newsletters to make it.