Ukraine Mess

[goatwack]

Nuclear warfare won't happen, countries' armament of them is purely for clout and so as to be taken seriously when at the negotiating table.

Leaders and nations have seen what effect they have since they were used decades ago, when their devastation was still to be fully determined. And as much as humans like to project and conjure up Armageddon- esque scenarios, ICBM attacks certainly aren't in any way realistic.

Only scenario this would even be thought of is if a leader's perhaps lost a conflict and sends out a nuke out of spite, and because they're effectively finished anyway, and their 'cause' turned to chicken- feed.

Thing with that is, those ordered to launch said nukes wouldn't follow through, I believe there's a point where the 'process' would be terminated. So I wouldn't go losing my marbles over imaginary nuclear strikes just yet

 

[spoo42]

In other news I watched this a few days ago, one to give you nightmares..... It's a BBC TV film from 1984, but has got a recent remaster and is available from Amazon. It's pretty grim, my conclusion was that in the event of a nuclear war, you really want to die in the initial blasts, you don't want to be around for what's left.

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My mum says the same thing.. "they ever dropped one of those on us, drop it on my head so i dont know about it cause i wouldnt want to survive whats left"... and just to add - i remember Threads very well - im somewhere in that school playground scene near the first half of the film as it was filmed at my school.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

As Nelson Mandela said, 'It always seems impossible until it's done'.

Nuclear warfare won't happen, countries' armament of them is purely for clout and so as to be taken seriously when at the negotiating table.

Leaders and nations have seen what effect they have since they were used decades ago, when their devastation was still to be fully determined. And as much as humans like to project and conjure up Armageddon- esque scenarios, ICBM attacks certainly aren't in any way realistic.

Only scenario this would even be thought of is if a leader's perhaps lost a conflict and sends out a nuke out of spite, and because they're effectively finished anyway, and their 'cause' turned to chicken- feed.

Thing with that is, those ordered to launch said nukes wouldn't follow through, I believe there's a point where the 'process' would be terminated. So I wouldn't go losing my marbles over imaginary nuclear strikes just yet

Well I'll get the last laugh when we're all incinerated in the white hot heat of a nuclear apocalypse!

No, wait.......

 

[goatwack]

As Nelson Mandela said, 'It always seems impossible until it's done'.


Well I'll get the last laugh when we're all incinerated in the white hot heat of a nuclear apocalypse!

No, wait.......

Definitely one of those rare scenarios where I'd be content not to be proven wrong

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Some advice released today by BCA Research, which is an investments type organisation.

 

[orion]

(not sure this is the proper sub-forum where to post this - @mods evenctually please move it to a more correct thread)

Today Snaitech - one of the italian leaders of the sport betting - decided to boicott all events of Russian and Belarussian teams and athlets.
As per source (ANSA):

All bets on sporting events in Russian territory suspended.

This is the decision taken by Snaitech which takes sides in the chorus of those calling for a ceasefire and a return to peace.

The measure has immediate effect: all games relating to men's and women's football championships have already been eliminated from the Snai schedule, as well as those on other sports very popular in Russia, such as basketball, ice hockey, handball, volleyball and table tennis. Also canceled bets on all competitions scheduled in Belarus, a country indirectly involved in the aggression against Ukraine. Of course, winning bets made in the period preceding the suspension will be regularly paid out. The same measures were adopted in Germany and Austria for Happybet, an operator active both on the retail and online channels.

As far as I am concerned, I am actually happy with this decision, even if I understand that this won't solve any problem.
This is a forum populated mostly by gamblers and punters and I would love to hear your ideas about it

 

[ChopleyIOM]

When even The Spectator is calling out the UK's refugee policy for Ukrainian refugees, you know you're the bad guy.

But as has been noted, this is the UK's refugee policy working as intended.




Whilst in Ukraine, Russia bombs a maternity hospital.

 

[Bunbu]

I'm just curious if you know who Victoria Nuland is and what she's done in her life.

 

[goatwack]

Priti Patel's really getting lambasted now and shown up for being completely out of her depth. Always talked a good game, but hasn't got a handle on any facet of border control.

Whilst employing escorting patrol jet skis for Dover arrivals and unable to effectively task new arrivals there, she's throwing the kitchen sink at displaced Ukrainian families and peoples. The contrast is staggering, and there are calls for her to be sacked.

I believe the UK's taken in a grand total of 500 thus far?

Case in point, examples like this, however true or not, highlighting the shambles

 

[CC07]

The Ukrainian Ambassador’s wife struggled to get a visa to join him when he started the role - what hope have normal Ukrainians fleeing war got? I am utterly embarrassed and angered by our Government’s lack of humanity - unless the cause fills their coffers they just don’t care

 

[sufferinsilence]

Absolutely disgraceful... Who the fuck bombs a children's hospital?

 

[mack341]

We could requisition empty oligarch properties as temporary accommodation, though perhaps the fairest way for refugees arriving at calais isn't first come first served.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So this is what Ukranian refugees have to endure if they want to seek sanctuary in Britain.

It's just been confirmed on Sky News that the earliest appointments (yes, you need to book an appointment) are in two weeks' time.

Utterly inhumane policy that marks the UK out as a pariah in Europe when it comes to helping these desperate people who are fleeing from having their homes bombed and being shot at by Russian soldiers.

 

[dunover]

Chelski FC seized by UK govt. We can have a state soccer team now, like Red Star Belgrade was years ago! Boris Johnson defence, Priti Patel attack, Starmer unused sub, Sturgeon coach...

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[mack341]

I bet the shed end chelsea forum is in melt down, david mellor was a big chelsea fan perhaps he ought to be appointed interim manager

 

[goatwack]

I think in-person appointments have been waived in favour of online applications for Ukrainian refugees, as it presently stands, albeit under a 'family reunion' route? ?‍

 

[mack341]

Apparently boris fears putin will use chemical weapons, others chorusing this must be nato's red line to get involved should it happen...

Worrying developments, it's almost like we're being primed again, putin is surely not that mad he believes this would be in russia's military interests?

 

[paul7388]

Apparently boris fears putin will use chemical weapons, others chorusing this must be nato's red line to get involved should it happen...

Worrying developments, it's almost like we're being primed again, putin is surely not that mad he believes this would be in russia's military interests?

Sad thing is even if he does use them i doubt any country will get involved.

All we can hope for is the powerful people in Russia have enough and remove him one way or the other.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Apparently boris fears putin will use chemical weapons, others chorusing this must be nato's red line to get involved should it happen...

Worrying developments, it's almost like we're being primed again, putin is surely not that mad he believes this would be in russia's military interests?

If NATO get directly involved we're staring down the barrel of a nuclear WW3, it's an impossibly awful situation. Sit back and Putin basically does what he wants in Ukraine, fight with Russia directly and it's potentially the end of the world.

 

[mack341]

Seen some comments re the 1st WW, e.g in comparison look how easily that kicked off. Millions dead due to an archduke's assassination. The politicians we have these days are chancers prone to soundbites, not sure if that is a good combination alongside a nuclear arsenal ready for the worst case scenario. Don't think it would get that far, but the we are counting on putin's defeat/coup in order to forget the nuclear risks.

 

[wyder33]

NATO knocks which is just in name, as well as sanctions. If the sanctions are imposed as before, Russia will still have money for armaments. They were supposed to remove Russian banks from the SWIFT system, but why were the largest Russian banks omitted? The second thing is I don't know if people are aware that Germany today pays Russia about 600 million euros a day for raw materials (200 million natural gas and 400 million crude oil). And finally, thirdly, it should be mentioned that the payment for raw materials is not via the SWIFT banking system, but via SEPA. Theoretically, there are sanctions, but some of them are only theory.

 

[wyder33]

It should also be added that Ukraine was in a sense served to Russia on a tray. Putin assured the world until the very end that he would not attack Ukraine. It is therefore reasonable to ask why all countries ordered their citizens to leave Ukraine, both ambassadors and civilians? Such a step was like leaving the door open for a thief. Since Putin said he would not attack, NATO should say briefly - Remember that if you attack Ukraine, our citizens are there, citizens of NATO member states! If you want to attack, do it so that their hair does not gasp, otherwise you will have problems. In this way, NATO would show its strength and perhaps there would be no attack on Ukraine.

 

[pinnit2014]

The scene was set after Crimea, which for many, faded into a memory. NATO are powerless, a limp penis is a game of call my bluff.

Hazard a guess he’s not that nuts to send a nuke, but you don’t know.

 

[slot_zombie]

This was on the loading screen of Sun Of Egypt 3 slot tonight. Even slot makers are taking a stand.

Also Stake.have just donated 1million dollars to Ukraine. Good show.

 

[wyder33]

How do you know if Ukraine was not sacrificed to convince people to put money on renewable energy sources? In the EU alone, the energy transition is estimated at a minimum of EUR 2 trillion. I think there are people willing to sacrifice many lives for that kind of money. There was a lot of opposition to the fit for 55 climate package, now everyone agrees that in order to become independent from Russia you need to invest in renewable energy sources. This would explain that the current sanctions are just a fiction. Yes, ordinary people will feel them, but not the Russian government, which will continue to be financed by the West.

 

[justdoit]

 

[dionysus]

look..it is....what it is

when civilians and hospitals and kids come into play........my niceity flies through w/e window regardless my stance on shtuff

 

[sufferinsilence]

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[mack341]

Missing seeing Geordie around the place, I know that's not the subject at hand, and after two years of covid dystopia and isolation for many, I don't like to think of folk cut further off now. Though for all I know he might be enjoying the break, social media is a mixed blessing especially re political debates.

 

[justdoit]

 

[justdoit]

 

[JohnSnow]

The scene was set after Crimea, which for many, faded into a memory. NATO are powerless, a limp penis is a game of call my bluff.

Hazard a guess he’s not that nuts to send a nuke, but you don’t know.

Powerless? It's a shitty organisation but combined military strength even if Russia and China combined all their strength they would be easily defeated if nobody touches those nuke buttons.

China doesn't even have any military experience in this generation. Nobody wants their weapons. Even Irans weapons that look about 50 years older are more sophisticated in real combat. The only thing that is important here is gas/oil and nukes.. it's the only leverage they have.

That being said. I think that the West and the East are all a bunch of hypocrits and warmongers. The US military complex is making bank.
Only normal people will suffer in wars. The elite from both sides are financially set even if they lose.

Whenever there is a situation like in Syria which is very well possible unfortunately nobody wins except Toyota.

 

[bamberfishcake]

That being said. I think that the West and the East are all a bunch of hypocrits and warmongers. The US military complex is making bank.

That is the harsh truth of the matter right there.

Speaking of hypocrisy and changing narratives, I know I keep posting Russell Brand videos but I find him a less biased source of news than the mainstream media.

Apparently, Facebook has changed its stance on allowing Neo-Nazi posts, which used to be banned, to fit the narrative, along with Amazon selling t-shirts and mugs now in support.

I don't have much of an opinion either way, except for the war must stop and once again the lives of the common man are being sacrificed for monetary gain. I feel for the Ukrainians and Russian conscripts, who took a route to the army as a way out of poverty alike but found this real news piece interesting.

 

[mack341]

Boris going to saudi where they just beheaded 81 people to ask for more oil, then carry on assisting them to bomb Yemen, and then moralize some more. How can there be a global order of shared values. The elite and politicians for the most part are sanctimonious bs merchants, and that will include the russian and chinese versions spinning a yarn to their public also.

Power games and geopolitics, with vested interests in the arms selling business and elsewhere rubbing their hands too no doubt.

General Smedley Butler knew the score

 

[dionysus]

enjoy, as you will or wont




its just music >3

 

[JohnSnow]

Boris going to saudi where they just beheaded 81 people to ask for more oil, then carry on assisting them to bomb Yemen, and then moralize some more. How can there be a global order of shared values. The elite and politicians for the most part are sanctimonious bs merchants, and that will include the russian and chinese versions spinning a yarn to their public also.

Power games and geopolitics, with vested interests in the arms selling business and elsewhere rubbing their hands too no doubt.

General Smedley Butler knew the score

Indeed. Nobody cares about Yemen tho. Saudi coalition with billions worth of modern US weapons are bombing this country on daily basis for several years now. Blaming Iran for supporting the houthies.. fine so you need to bomb the whole country into oblivion to fight those people walking on flip flops? I don't understand ANY country supporting that country but they can murder a journalist in another sovereign country, the whole world knows but still the whole world chooses to support them and sanction the Persians instead lmao. According to Netenyahu Iran is only a few weeks to a few months away from a nuclear weapon (accusation made repeatedly for over 20 years). The fact is that when Iran tried to be democratic the west didn't allow it. All you need to search for is Iran and 1953 no conspiracy there since the coup was admitted later as you can see for yourself.

Now back to the real issue. Did you guys see crying russian influencers on Instagram and other social hubs? While Ukrainians are dying? Well that is just sick.

 

[Carl_Green]

Cant say i know the truth about anyones reasons for this, but i think we can clearly see propaganda from both sides west and east. Who knows the absolute truth about it and how come nobody is looking at the fact the US been doing basically the same things to countries and nobody ever accused them for warcrimes. after all i feel with the people of Ukrain but might not be the time to point fingers in any direction

 

[sapit222]

There is only 1 truth. Russia (Putin) invaded Ukraine.
Thats it.

 

[JohnSnow]

I know casinomeister isn't in the best terms with slottyvegas. But at least on this point it seems you guys agree. I actually always thought they were Russians operating from Ukraine.

 

[JohnSnow]

I know casinomeister isn't in the best terms with slottyvegas. But at least on this point it seems you guys agree. I actually always thought they were Russians operating from Ukraine.

And I made a 45 euro deposit with them just now. Played one new game and cashout of 250 euro. Live chat blocked gameplay until withdrawal is processed. Can't say a bod word about them especially since they changed their logo.

 

[justdoit]

 

[mack341]

Yesterday biden:

"And you’re going to see when you’re there. And you — some — some of you have been there. You’re going to see — you’re going to see women, young people standing — standing the middle of — in front of a damn tank, just saying, “I’m not leaving. I’m holding my ground.” They’re incredible. But they take a lot of inspiration from us," Biden said as per the official White House transcript during an interaction with US troops stationed in Poland near the border with Ukraine.


And while many have dismissed this as a gaffe, others remain convinced that that this is an indication that the US now has plans to send troops into Ukraine. Follow up reports quoting the Biden administration however insist that the US stance remains unchanged.

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And earlier today he was quoted as saying putin cannot remain in power, which sounds like a call or desire for regime change; as some analysts have said, the immediate goals are a peace deal and to prevent escalation, whereas this makes negotiations more tricky as you've just said the other side's leader has got to go.

 

[dionysus]

2 cents
there's 3 ways out

1..ousted
2..BANG
3 - everyone becomes drawn in

 

[dionysus]

I'm not rooting for 3 - I'd prefer not to live on irradiated land

 

[mack341]

The thing also with the nuclear missile side of things is the risk of false alerts, and the subs are underwater, so not good to get closer to a mexican standoff situation. I'm not anxious atm but putin is definitely being backed into a corner, he might get ousted internally but if not then what?

 

[dionysus]

The thing also with the nuclear missile side of things is the risk of false alerts, and the subs are underwater, so not good to get closer to a mexican standoff situation. I'm not anxious atm but putin is definitely being backed into a corner, he might get ousted internally but if not then what?

I'm not losing sleep, but def a corner of my mind 'thinking about' kinda thing

 

[dionysus]

I know a fair few of us were around for the cold war era
and those were pretty scary

 

[sufferinsilence]

The thing also with the nuclear missile side of things is the risk of false alerts, and the subs are underwater, so not good to get closer to a mexican standoff situation. I'm not anxious atm but putin is definitely being backed into a corner, he might get ousted internally but if not then what?

I read today the Union of the Committees of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia has voiced their disapproval of the war in Ukraine and apparently the Kremlin has always taken them very serious as a pressure group. Zelensky and Ukrainian intelligence are trying to influence them by providing them information on Russian soldiers who were KIA or taken as a POW. They have recently been labeled as a dangerous "foreign agent" and Putin is very wary of them.

I for one wouldn't be surprised if there is atleast an attempt on Putin's life from a Kremlin-insider if this mess gets even more out of hand. Or if he starts retreating and said they "liberated" the Donbass. Using the nuclear option is suicide for Russia.

 

[dionysus]

I read today the Union of the Committees of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia has voiced their disapproval of the war in Ukraine and apparently the Kremlin has always taken them very serious as a pressure group. Zelensky and Ukrainian intelligence are trying to influence them by providing them information on Russian soldiers who were KIA or taken as a POW. They have recently been labeled as a dangerous "foreign agent" and Putin is very wary of them.

I for one wouldn't be surprised if there is atleast an attempt on Putin's life from a Kremlin-insider if this mess gets even more out of hand. Or if he starts retreating and said they "liberated" the Donbass. Using the nuclear option is suicide for Russia.

that's pretty much the only reason I can still sleep at night
He's....too arrogant and self-absorbed to take himself off the map

 

[Webzcas]

Another thing to worry about, is the Dead Man's Hand system Russia have in place......

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One thing for sure, I expect Ron @ Atlas has a red hot phone at the moment

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Mine's a Wineado Ron!