Ukraine Mess

[sapit222]

this one is not fake

Its good that people are voluntering to fight for Ukraine.
Hope that Europe and USA will join soon.

 

[goatwack]

You guys must have a very strange public media if they are always lying.

Sure, some can be angled, but thats about it.
If its fake news they will be "dumped" pretty quickly.

Youtube stuffs is just not good to watch, unless its music videos.

Can't speak for other countries, but our media is pretty ropey. Of course they don't lie about everything, yet their stories are often debunked or just sensationalized, with inconsistencies galore. They also haven't much impartiality left about most things they report, a la Brexit & co.

Sad to see it in this state, and likely why some will seek alternative outlets to get an 'overview' that some MSM omit. Problem with that is, like you say, it's riddled with some rather 'out there' commentators, and so it becomes more difficult to actually get anything that isn't steeped in opinionated rhetoric

 

[TheAddict]

Any leader that truly cares about their citizens would take the approach of saving their lives at all costs, that includes surrender.

Truth is the West has been arming Ukraine with weapons while it suited them to create conflict in the region for years and now that Russia has had enough and moved in has wiped their hands clean and told Ukraine (who thought the west would have their backs with troops) that they are on their own besides sanctions against Russia by the other countries and helping them out with weapons etc.

The leaders in Ukraine have encouraged children as young as 14 to "protect" the country by giving them weapons, which leader that truly cares about their citizens would do that. I guess since the leaders in Ukraine aren't even Ukrainian but rather Jewish Ukrainian citizens lives don't matter as much as keeping control of the country.

What is the point of keeping a country away from a bigger force that clearly cannot be beaten if by the end of it no one survives.

The bold part. I was thinking about this earlier. Those weapons in untrained hands are in many cases going to cause a fair bit of self harm (if they arent already sold on the black market, lol), or accidents towards fellow citizens, and very likely also result in a fair amount of friendly fire towards Ukrainian forces. Not to mention that if they don't accidently wound themselves with those guns, that giving untrained civilians the opportunity and encouraging them to fight against fully trained, organized military personnel who have prepped for years is, imo, not far off from handing them a lottery suicide ticket where for the first time in any advertised lottery, the odds are actually in your favour to win the big prize.
It would also create great opportunities to use civilian casualties as propoganda, easily able to frame any civilian deaths on the Russians, Just need to remove the AK before taking the picture.

Sure, it's a 'What if...' but I wonder, if Hussein had done similar in Iraq, offered AK's to any of the untrained locals who were old enough to at least be able to lift an AK with 2 hands. Would the West have ignored such a move, or called him out of him for doing so?
I know where I'd put my money.

 

[dealer wins]

Just a small note, both Donald Trump and Nigel Farage have chosen their sides (hint: it's not Ukraine), so if you still support either of these men now you need to take a good look at yourself.

I think they are right, especially if Putin has allegedly taken out all 13 US biolabs now.

If the WEF, NATO and the West all are screaming "Ukraine, human rights" whilst collectively fucking over our human rights for 2 years, I think I will support the opposite of what they say.

 

[sapit222]

I think they are right, especially if Putin has allegedly taken out all 13 US biolabs now.

If the WEF, NATO and the West all are screaming "Ukraine, human rights" whilst collectively fucking over our human rights for 2 years, I think I will support the opposite of what they say.

Human rights and 2 years? I guess your talking about Covid?
If it saved lifes to close down and restrict a bit its not a bad thing.

 

[Spikie]

Putin needs to die . End of .

 

[geordiecolin]

Covid thread instead then?

Go ahead and start a debate for a change Jono

 

[dealer wins]

Its good that people are voluntering to fight for Ukraine.
Hope that Europe and USA will join soon.

The trailer for " Four Lions 2"

 

[dealer wins]

Human rights and 2 years? I guess your talking about Covid?
If it saved lifes to close down and restrict a bit its not a bad thing.

No it didnt, it was the most deadly mistake in all of human history, and state murder

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

 

[geordiecolin]

At first, I thought he looked like he was steering out of the way until I saw the car. So glad the driver survived, looked like there was clear intention to run the car over.

The whole situation is crazy and once again, none of the ballers will suffer, mostly just the weak, immobilised and defenceless pub

No it didnt, it was the most deadly mistake in all of human history, and state murder

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

Totally agree but the sheep do not want to hear it. It has been like psychological and physical warfare

 

[geordiecolin]

Get real.

Seriously you are posting non stop fucked up videos these days . Either you really believe the shit you post or you are doing it for a reaction.

But i will get real. Anybody posting videos saying the holocaust was made up is seriously sick in the bloody head.

If you believe the shit you have been posting non stop then maybe time you got help. As it has only been last year or so thought maybe just lockdown affecting your mental health, But no you seem to be getting worse every day.

Some of stuff over last few years from members was bad enough but maybe they believed some of it. But seems like you have decided wow they posted some crap means i can take it to another level.

Sorry but wars , holocausts etc. i would say are the wrong things to post a lot of crap about.

All that you have done is post "this post is shit" and fling insults at me which could be highlighted by your recent history. Why not address my posts and highlight what you have a contention with giving reasoned argument?
Because your incapable or maybe a brain dead media sheep like those who are scared shitless by what you are fed?
Try adult debate for a change
Your attacks have made me belly laugh

 

[interlog]

No it didnt, it was the most deadly mistake in all of human history, and state murder

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

And this person is who?

 

[paul7388]

All that you have done is post "this post is shit" and fling insults at me which could be highlighted by your recent history. Why not address my posts and highlight what you have a contention with giving reasoned argument?
Because your incapable or maybe a brain dead media sheep like those who are scared shitless by what you are fed?
Try adult debate for a change
Your attacks have made me belly laugh

It is impossible to debate with you.

You have a very selective way of posting videos then replying to the posts that fit your narrative and ignoring the rest. But thanks for the laugh actually saying you debate like an adult. Would be hysterical but for the fact you obviously believe you do,

As for believing everything In the media. Afraid that us one thing i do not do. Unlike yourself I can normally see what might have truth in it. But instead of seeing something that is happening, accepting it and thinking about it . You have to go and search for anything that goes against it. Watch the video and go wow knew the news was lying.

But agree on one thing. Somethings I see online scare me. Not from the news or other sources. But it scares me that in this day and age we have people that believe anything they find online. People that once they find a site that posts some crackpot theories then take that source as reality and take all their information from there.

But thinking about it. Maybe the fear lies inside yourself. Some people do struggle to cope with reality and need to search for other answers to deny what is really happening and help them cope. So really I should be glad for you that you are sort of seeking online therapy for your worries and for that i applaud you.

 

[Webzcas]

This is going to be my only proper comment on this thread, as arguing politics etc on a forum or social media does not get you anywhere and you are very unlikely to change anyones mind.

I will say I am 110% pro Ukraine and have nothing but admiration for their people and their country and how they are facing head on the barbaric onslaught against them waged by that despot in the Kremlin.

As a massive boxing fan, I am extremely blown away that the likes of the Klitschko brothers, current IBF, WBA, WBO Heavyweight Champ Oleksander 'I am feel' Usyk and his best friend the current pound for pound great Lomachenko, have all returned to fight for their country.

I doubt very much the likes of Gary Lineker et al would do that, if it was the UK being attacked.

Anyhow, I note the Russian boxer Povetkin has come out in support of Putin and his evil invasion. I just hope he bumps into Wlad again, as clearly he didn't knock enough %$%^$ out of him the last time they fought.

 

[Casinomeister]

Ouchy! You hurt my feels!

The proof is all there on the internet and in the past I have provided the receipts. Sorry I said sumin bad about your Joe

I was posting on the subject of Ukraine until I was so rudely sidetracked by another over emotional poster like yourself. Stick your fingers in your ears and do not forget your mask the next time you dare leave the house

And I don't seen to wade through more trollish posts @geordiecolin - you need to take a break from this thread until you can post something other than conspiracy theory garbage while attacking your fellow members with these sort of comments.

This is reality for a lot of members here who are in Eastern Europe to include Russian and Ukraine. I'm removing your ability to post in this thread for 7 days.

 

[Casinomeister]

And just a warning to others who feel it's ok to post troll comments. Don't do it.

And knock off the conspiracy theory bullshit. Thank you.

 

[Jono777]

Go ahead and start a debate for a change Jono

Far too busy and not to mention tired for any of that malarky mate.

Debating on here is like smashing your own head up the hardest brick wall you can find!

 

[Lucky Loser]

The Putin apologists and conspiracy theorists need to learn from history. It seems too many these days get their news from reading Twitter threads especially those filled with Russian propaganda and misinformation. I'm constantly surprised by how dumb and gullible many people are.

 

[LoopsterAU]

The Putin apologists and conspiracy theorists need to learn from history. It seems too many these days get their news from reading Twitter threads especially those filled with Russian propaganda and misinformation. I'm constantly surprised by how dumb and gullible many people are.

Not saying to trust Putin because anyone that goes into war with another nation is not a good person but none of our leaders are saints either, always look at all the information out there from all sides and try and keep an open mind because both sides WEST/EAST will try and put their influence on people.

SCOMO just announced 100 million aide to a war while our own nation (Australia) is screwed as is due to COVID and lots of other factors.

They can keep the global military money machine going but forget about their own citizens.

No doubt China will be jumping into Taiwan soon which is not at all good (they have the most advanced chip company TSMC on the planet so their technological leap will be huge if they take it).

As much as people critisize Trump he was one leader that the Globalists originally thought they could keep in their back pocket but he was a true Patriot and not a globalist who could not be bought (he already had all the money his family would ever need) and was a massive dent in their globalist plans just like Putin is. Why were there no conflicts and issues with Russia and even North Korea while Trump was in power ?

All I can say is god help us all with the state of affairs this whole world is in with these puppet leaders.

 

[sapit222]

Not saying to trust Putin because anyone that goes into war with another nation is not a good person but none of our leaders are saints either, always look at all the information out there from all sides and try and keep an open mind because both sides WEST/EAST will try and put their influence on people.

SCOMO just announced 100 million aide to a war while our own nation (Australia) is screwed as is due to COVID and lots of other factors.

They can keep the global military money machine going but forget about their own citizens.

No doubt China will be jumping into Taiwan soon which is not at all good (they have the most advanced chip company TSMC on the planet so their technological leap will be huge if they take it).

As much as people critisize Trump he was one leader that the Globalists originally thought they could keep in their back pocket but he was a true Patriot and not a globalist who could not be bought (he already had all the money his family would ever need) and was a massive dent in their globalist plans just like Putin is. Why were there no conflicts and issues with Russia and even North Korea while Trump was in power ?

All I can say is god help us all with the state of affairs this whole world is in with these puppet leaders.

Trump a patriot?
No, dont think so.
He has only ever cared about filling his own pockets.
I dont think he even is so rich as he wants people to think.

Trump =

 

[bamberfishcake]

The Putin apologists and conspiracy theorists need to learn from history. It seems too many these days get their news from reading Twitter threads especially those filled with Russian propaganda and misinformation. I'm constantly surprised by how dumb and gullible many people are.

Funny, because many of the conspiracy theorists, even after history proving conspiracy facts, are constantly surprised at how dumb and gullible many people are also

I don't think shutting down open conversation about it solves anything. Maybe I missed something but didn't see Geordie attacking anyone on a personal level. Yes, some of the content may be out there but you don't have to read it, you don't have to react to it, you don't have to believe it, and I don't see why it should be censored because it's a difference of opinion.

Politely pointing out that the content is way off the mark, and why, should be enough.

 

[Casinomeister]

@bamberfishcake I am not shutting down an open conversation - in fact I am supporting it. I am dealing with the insulting comments folks are making to one another - this time Geordiecolin was reprimanded. We can discuss anything and everything until the cows come home, but his comments are out of line and it keeps folks from participating.

 

[Casinomeister]

Seems like geordiecolins thinks this is funny:





Adios Amigo - I am done with this disrespectful troll.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I mean no harm, and laughing at things doesn't help @geordiecolin , tsk, tsk

I appreciate you taking the personal abuse out of the thread @Casinomeister

Interesting mention of some of the Russian oligarchs in this and a few questions as to why some seem favoured to others.




God bless Ukraine, I wonder how much either side truly wants what's best for their people. That doesn't mean I condone Putin's move, its a disgusting sacrifice of lives to further his agenda.

 

[Kroffe]

Seems like geordiecolins thinks this is funny:



View attachment 165199

Adios Amigo - I am done with this disrespectful troll.

I think a permanent ban is too harsh over something that in the end boils down to difference of opinions more or less.
I dont see eye to eye with Geordie on most topics, but i think it would be a shame to ban one of the more active posters on the forum over this.

As far as insulting comments go, people get away with alot worse without getting a warning.
And since the judge is supposed to be impartial: