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This time is exactly like other cases i have choice to listen your complaints and arrange solutions OR i have choice to consider that i have the right to consider that i don't care about players complaints. Thx to understand that nothing force me to act if my opinion is different from yours : if i take a decision, it's because i agree with you, no need to imagine that someone or something forced me. I'm not a kid, i'm closed enough invested in my work for knowing what is fair and what is not fair.

"This time is exactly like other cases"

Sorry Tradition I don't agree with your comment here. This is not about quicker payouts or petty bullshit bonuses. This is about cheating, whether on purpose or not.

"Thx to understand that nothing force me to act if my opinion is different from yours : if i take a decision, it's because i agree with you, no need to imagine that someone or something forced me".

I could only assume this tough talk is a result of no fear what so ever of any regulations being enforced upon you or any investigation, or any fine, or much of anything else. I guess there would be "no need to imagine" that the gaming commission who gave you an operators license has any intentions of being the "someone or something" forcing anything on you.

You see this is exactly my point with this issue and all other serious issues brought forward in the past. Regardless what Tradition says or does about this incident, it is completely up to her. She blatantly told us above she's not a kid and will do whatever it is she decides on. And whatever that may be, we only get to listen to her decision, and if we don't like it I guess we could stick our computer mouses where the sun don't shine.

Top Game told us they put the 100k jackpot back. I guess because they told us that it must have happened. CasinoJack told us they could follow us around and change the RTP's at will. Someone else told us they couldn't. I guess since someone else told us they couldn't it must be true. They tell us when a random is hit with a max cash out bonus the remainder is always put back into the jackpot. I guess since someone told us this, it must be true. BlackJack felt says 3 to 2 for BJ, but only pays 1 to 1. Sorry, they tell us it was an honest mistake. Since they said this I guess it must be true. Do you see where I'm going with this?

I'd like to see just one of these issues being confronted by some type of gaming regulator wherever these gaming commissions are or if they even realistically exist.

I also couldn't understand WagerWitch trying to give the benefit of the doubt to the casino, but could only conclude it is a result of her not understanding the game. Besides if they could pick and choose who they want to screw just by bet size, then we're really in deeper shit then we could of imagined.

With:

NO GAMING COMMISSION
NO GAMING COMMISSION ENFORCEMENT

I feel safer playing at a casino run by the Mafia.
 

Cant_Get_Right

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"This time is exactly like other cases"

Sorry Tradition I don't agree with your comment here. This is not about quicker payouts or petty bullshit bonuses. This is about cheating, whether on purpose or not.

"Thx to understand that nothing force me to act if my opinion is different from yours : if i take a decision, it's because i agree with you, no need to imagine that someone or something forced me".

I could only assume this tough talk is a result of no fear what so ever of any regulations being enforced upon you or any investigation, or any fine, or much of anything else. I guess there would be "no need to imagine" that the gaming commission who gave you an operators license has any intentions of being the "someone or something" forcing anything on you.

You see this is exactly my point with this issue and all other serious issues brought forward in the past. Regardless what Tradition says or does about this incident, it is completely up to her. She blatantly told us above she's not a kid and will do whatever it is she decides on. And whatever that may be, we only get to listen to her decision, and if we don't like it I guess we could stick our computer mouses where the sun don't shine.

Top Game told us they put the 100k jackpot back. I guess because they told us that it must have happened. CasinoJack told us they could follow us around and change the RTP's at will. Someone else told us they couldn't. I guess since someone else told us they couldn't it must be true. They tell us when a random is hit with a max cash out bonus the remainder is always put back into the jackpot. I guess since someone told us this, it must be true. BlackJack felt says 3 to 2 for BJ, but only pays 1 to 1. Sorry, they tell us it was an honest mistake. Since they said this I guess it must be true. Do you see where I'm going with this?

I'd like to see just one of these issues being confronted by some type of gaming regulator wherever these gaming commissions are or if they even realistically exist.

I also couldn't understand WagerWitch trying to give the benefit of the doubt to the casino, but could only conclude it is a result of her not understanding the game. Besides if they could pick and choose who they want to screw just by bet size, then we're really in deeper shit then we could of imagined.

With:

NO GAMING COMMISSION
NO GAMING COMMISSION ENFORCEMENT

I feel safer playing at a casino run by the Mafia.

I agree with you 100% 4oak...I also found tradition comments to be very arrogant.
 

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WW, if you read back in the thread there was another player (refre I believe was his name) who was betting lower and noticed it also. So it was not just the $100 bets.

You are right RedAndi..it was Freddy/Refre. And proof that this had been going on for a month. And proof that even after he informed them of it....they did squat about it, even though they told him it had been "fixed". Outright lie.

I had the exact same problem at Tradition casino the 22. of last month.
Of course I realize now I should have posted here back then.
They claimed "we have made some updates to ensure that this does not occur again". Obviously they didn't.

Freddy

Top Game told us they put the 100k jackpot back. I guess because they told us that it must have happened.

Yes, and it turns out that Topgame lied as well didn't they? After trying to backpedal and even deny that any progressive JP had been removed...they finally admitted that jackpots on two discontinued games had been removed. And you know what they did with the money? Used it to reimburse the players who had played the cheating games, back when the whole mess started....ha ha. Can't remember the exact figures, but I'm pretty sure the jackpots totalled over 400K. I find it hard to imagine they reimbursed people to the tune of $400,000 plus!! And even if they did....they used player funds which are supposed to be set aside and separate...to pay players who were cheated because of their malfunctioning games. That 400K should have been reassigned to other progressive jackpots within the software. What a load of BS!!

Link to the thread where we finally got the answer 4oak, just in case you missed it:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/top-game-missing-jackpot-questions.36069/
 

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Hi all,

Tradition casino has been busted changing the blackjack payout. No if's, no buts, no excuses, no semantics, no justifications, end of story.

If the casino manager chooses to have attitude instead of understand players have a right to be upset, that's her decision. It's certainly not the road I'd take, but it's her choice.

The CM community much less all Tradition casino players are yet to view an official public statement by the Rival CEO.
Instead we and everyone else has to make do with hearsay on a phone call between CM and the Rival CEO.

The arrogant attitude from the Tradition manager (highlighted above) is (in my opinion) a carbon copy of the Rival CEO.

In my eyes this type of performance shows very little respect for Rival customers; the casino players, who without them Rival would have nothing.

On the flip however, Rival like other casinos (not all), treat their players with little appreciation or respect. They set ambiguous rules, don't stand by their word unless it's in writing; even then some will try to get out of it. And when a player has the fortune of cashing out, can make it a nightmare of hoop jumping to get their rightful winnings.

In affect players are at the mercy of the casinos.
Why is this so? You may ask.

I suppose because although players will b!tch and moan about casino XYZ they'll return and deposit, instead of going some place else.

As an analogy it's like going to a restaurant, finding a fly in the soup, roaches on the floor and going home b!tching about it. But returning to the same restaurant finding the same critters and the same cr#p service. The movie Groundhog Day (Bill Murray) comes to mind.

Doing nothing gives the message you don't care if:
  • You don't get paid within industry accepted time frames.
  • Your a loyal player and you get bonus banned.
  • Your forced to jump through hoops.
  • Casinos sets min/max cash-in requirements on bonuses and insane play through requirements.
  • Rules are set to a win win for casinos.
  • Ect...ect

IMO until players take a stand and vote with their feet, we'll keep seeing all the above.

Behavior like this doesn't happen at B&M casinos (least not those I attend) and it shouldn't occur at online casinos either.

If and when online casinos are properly regulated IMO these cowboys will cease to exist.



Cheers

:)

Dave
 

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i myself stopped playing at tradition some months ago due to the arrogant comments in another thread where the subject was about bonusses.

imho with such an attitude tradition should maybe hire a person with social skills etc to post on boards.

imho this is more than disrespectful for players and anybody who knows most rival casinos iam sure hell never ever choose tradition.

tradition rep said shes not a kid? ok! but in such a heavy case where the pyaout was changed which can be considered cheating! such comments doesnt prove the rep for beeing an adult thinking person knowing how to handle such situatuions accordingly.

@ tradition: you give me the impression if i as player ever have any problem with your casino it depends on your good-will if you cooperate in solving issues or not.. imho this is unbelievable and i wont put any bad words here..


just my opinion on this..

stay with sloto they now how to run a casino and treat customers right,. thats also why you rarely find any negative posts about them like on tradition;)


cheers

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I realize that Tradition was caught ripping off an unknown number of players. So where does it stand with the rest of the rival based casinos?

My gut feeling says that this thread will in fact, fade away and probably be very welcomed relief to many operators.

The thing I don't comprehend is why a software provider like Rival, RTG or insert brand here would allow any software user to make changes to anything that would change the outcome of the game being played (weighting of reels, RTP, pay tables, etc or anything that effects the outcome, excluding bet size).

The fact that the software providers have apparently allowed certain operators major advantages over other operators using the same software implies that this provider software is a joke and cannot be trusted. I guess I have been fool to think that it doesn't matter which casino you play at as long as it is the same software platform. I am confused now. If the software provider can manipulate outcomes between operators, why don't the casino's that have a higher RTP than another advertise this saying, "We requested that the software provider lower our RTP. But we were denied. Our loss, your gain!!! Plus we will give you a gazillion dollars in bonus money since we like pain and can't help ourselves."

I can see the provider allowing for changes to the lobby skin, themes, colors, borders, and bet size. If the operator is operating on a shoe string budget, then great, they can set the max bet size is $0.05 per line or max bet of $XX. If the operator running the casino doesn't have a problem making $100,000 payouts in 24 hours, then that operator could if they wanted, have a max bet size of $100.00 per line or a max bet of $XXXXX. That way the games in theory would be identical between operators and the casinos would actually have to give a shit about their customers (not saying that all casinos do that).

I can say that this thread does not promote nor build my confidence in the whole industry, since it seems that every on-line casino is honest until they are caught. A few posts above blame this all on the lack of regulation (I assume they meant government regulation). I disagree. Just look within almost any country and ask why are there still criminals, folks in jail, people put to death, people paying fines; corrupt politicians, magistrates, and police all in places where there is probably too much regulation. Nope, regulation is just another way to say revenue, power, and control (to some probably not a bad thing). Of course this is my opinion. I just don't see how regulation is going to help the on-line gaming industry, unless we have one world government. Then all casinos, both B&M and on-line would pay the world government a large slice of the pie to regulate them. Nope, the power of the purse I say, and of course, the constant, relentless watchful eyes of Casinomiester et al. and it's many diverse members.
 
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NASHVEGAS

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I realize that Tradition was caught ripping off an unknown number of players. So where does it stand with the rest of the rival based casinos?

My gut feeling says that this thread will in fact, fade away and probably be very welcomed relief to many operators.

The thing I don't comprehend is why a software provider like Rival, RTG or insert brand here would allow for any changes to the weighting of reels, RTP, pay tables, etc or anything that effects the . I could see allowing for changes to the lobby skin, themes, colors, borders, and bet size. If the operator is operating on a shoe string budget, then great, they can set the max bet size is $0.05 per line or max bet of $XX. If the operator running the casino doesn't have a problem making $100,000 payouts in 24 hours, then that operator could if they wanted, have a max bet size of $100.00 per line or a max bet of $XXXXX. That way the games in theory would be identical between operators and the casinos would actually have to give a shit about their customers (not saying that all casinos do that).

I can say that this thread does not promote nor build my confidence in the whole industry, since it seems that every on-line casino is honest until they are caught. A few posts above blame this all on the lack of regulation (I assume they meant government regulation). I disagree. Just look within almost any country and ask why are there still criminals, folks in jail, people put to death, people paying fines; corrupt politicians, magistrates, and police all in places where there is probably too much regulation. Nope, regulation is just another way to say revenue, power, and control (to some probably not a bad thing). Of course this is my opinion. I just don't see how regulation is going to help the on-line gaming industry, unless we have one world government. Then all casinos, both B&M and on-line would pay the world government a large slice of the pie to regulate them. Nope, the power of the purse I say, and of course, the constant, relentless watchful eyes of Casinomiester et al. and it's many diverse members.
Agree regulation is not the answer but perhaps an improvement. www.thebeargrowls.com.

I was accused of cryptic PM's by Bryan in this thread in regards to my Rivals/Bonne Chance/All the Rival skins PM's over the past few years. Sorry, I respectfully and totally disagree as 99% of all my PM's are direct (which differs from my periodic and intended cryptic posts). The Rival PM's were crystal clear to Bryan with possibly one exception. I can not post his but I can post mine and will. (after The Masters).
 

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Yes, we started to review all our blackjack hands and whom have had a BJ during this period. It will be finished probably next week.


This was posted 03/30, and I'm sure many of us here are waiting patiently for the alleged results. Tuesday 04/13 will be two weeks. Are you counting on the fade away?

In addition this review is obviously being conducted between Tradition and its software provider. Considering no outside regulatory enforcement agency or outside independent auditing firm will be involved, (nor had any intentions to ever get involved) why should us players assume your response if any will be accurate and honest?

Never mind, I keep forgetting this is unregulated online casinos, and whatever we're told by whoever wants to tell us must be honest. After all you would have to conclude over the past decade online casinos proven reputation is one of genuine honesty, integrity, loyalty, and generous.
 

AussieDave

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Tradition feed Refre hogwash about the BJ issue on the 22'nd Feb 2010. And continued to lie throughout this thread until pushed into a corner.

The answer she (Tradition Manager) gave was further fabrication based on the issue Refre experienced with the BJ on the 22'nd.

This was posted 03/30, and I'm sure many of us here are waiting patiently for the alleged results. Tuesday 04/13 will be two weeks. Are you counting on the fade away?

Yep that's exactly what she's doing.
Truth be know, it's a cover up probably on instruction from Rival. Keep in mind Tradition is another white label.

Going on how this thread has played out, I don't see we'll ever get a straight answer to what some of us know is the truth.

But if it's any comfort, know that Tradition has been blacklisted by some webmaster, who are now keeping a close watch on all Rival brands.



Cheers

:)

Dave
 

AussieDave

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Hi All,

Found this over at AGD today. Tradition Casino has been changing affiliate terms post sign-ups.

Link Removed (invalid URL)

Using this information I'm guessing the BJ incident wasn't an accident :rolleyes:


Cheers

:)

Dave
 

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I have been following this thread with great interest as the whole saga unfolded. I followed that link to AGD and read about what Tradition is doing to its affiliates and I am completely appalled.
I have uninstalled Tradition a little while ago due to what I am seeing here over at Casinomeister land. The thing that bothers be almost as much as the shady doings of this casino is the way the owner talks to players and affiliates.
It seems that some of the responses are completely bereft of even a modicum of professionalism. Even if Tradition cleaned up its act, which I highly doubt it, will I still would not play there ever again based on how the owner of the casino treats both players and affilates.
You know what I really don’t get about this whole debacle is why the owner chose to take the aggressive approach instead of just admitting that mistakes were made and correct them as best as she could. If I were a bigwig over at Rival, I would be shocked at how this casino represents my software and pull the plug on Tradition.

I have a new respect for affiliates and all the crap they have to go through just to earn a couple of bucks. I also think that any casino that bites the hand that feeds them (tradition though just went ahead and bit the hand clean off) will end up going bankrupt sooner than later. Without affiliates, they would not get any business at all.
 

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LOL, holy snikes!

I don't know much about how affiliates work but after reading that thread I can not even believe the owner or rep. or whatever is a "real" business person. Language barrier or not, how the hell do you go to a public forum and make those kind of statements and expect anyone to take you seriously????

"Never i could imagine how affiliates can be so liers! You make me sick and give me need to vomit."
Seriously!?!?

You sure he/she isn't a long lost sibling of that chat rep. from a while back (I think it won worst chat of the year or something, JHV's was the OP I think)...
 

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Hi All,
Found this over at AGD today. Tradition Casino has been changing affiliate terms post sign-ups.

Link Removed (invalid URL)

Using this information I'm guessing the BJ incident wasn't an accident :rolleyes:
I disagree. The management have shown themselves to be sloppy and incompetent - so making a stupid mistake with the BJ payout is no big surprise.
Remember when they launched they had a MASSIVE free-chip offer with a 24hr time limit which made it virtually impossibly to complete the WR? Just sloppy and not well thought out.

There is a HUGE difference between their reactions to the 2 key kock-ups:
The BJ incident: They admitted they made a mistake, they apologised and are/have put it right by refunding players who lost out.
The affiliate issue: They admitted they made a mistake, they refused to apologize or make any attempt to put it right and have now resorted to calling affiliates "liars who make them sick..." :eek:

I really hope someone high up at Rival reads these threads and sees what the manager at one of their white labels is up to - she is single-handedly wrecking Rivals reputation! :mad:

KK
 

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So Tradition is either:-

(a) a grossly incompetent person who is unable to run a business given her long list of clumsy mistakes and will probably fail in any venture of that sort let alone one that is related to gambling or

(b) a big fat liar who resorts to blaming new staff for what is essentially her own fault.

Personally, I vouch for (b) but we never know really.
 

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I disagree. The management have shown themselves to be sloppy and incompetent - so making a stupid mistake with the BJ payout is no big surprise.
Remember when they launched they had a MASSIVE free-chip offer with a 24hr time limit which made it virtually impossibly to complete the WR? Just sloppy and not well thought out.

There is a HUGE difference between their reactions to the 2 key kock-ups:
The BJ incident: They admitted they made a mistake, they apologised and are/have put it right by refunding players who lost out.
The affiliate issue: They admitted they made a mistake, they refused to apologize or make any attempt to put it right and have now resorted to calling affiliates "liars who make them sick..." :eek:

I really hope someone high up at Rival reads these threads and sees what the manager at one of their white labels is up to - she is single-handedly wrecking Rivals reputation! :mad:

Sorry but I don't agree.

The entire mess is not about separating players and affiliates. Which is what I see you attempting to do.

Tradition has successfully alienated both camps. Finally admitting the truth to players when backed into a corner by her own BS (in this thread), for me doesn't count for much.

Conducting the same Modus Operandi with affiliates until she was again backed into a corner where she had no choice but to admit the truth to affiliates.

Whether she gives affs an apology, fixes the BJ issue and pays players who got shafted is beside the point.

The fact that she BS many times to both players and affiliates shows her true colours in my book.

What a wicked web we weave when we try to deceiving, comes to mind.

To me if it walks like duck, quacks like a duck then most probably it is a duck. And in the case of Tradition casino it's a duck :p



Cheers

:)

Dave
 

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Sorry but I don't agree.

The entire mess is not about separating players and affiliates. Which is what I see you attempting to do.

Tradition has successfully alienated both camps. Finally admitting the truth to players when backed into a corner by her own BS (in this thread), for me doesn't count for much.

Conducting the same Modus Operandi with affiliates until she was again backed into a corner where she had no choice but to admit the truth to affiliates.

Whether she gives affs an apology, fixes the BJ issue and pays players who got shafted is beside the point.

The fact that she BS many times to both players and affiliates shows her true colours in my book.

What a wicked web we weave when we try to deceiving, comes to mind.

To me if it walks like duck, quacks like a duck then most probably it is a duck. And in the case of Tradition casino it's a duck :p



Cheers

:)

Dave


Can you say Quack Quack:thumbsup:

 
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LOL, holy snikes!

I don't know much about how affiliates work but after reading that thread I can not even believe the owner or rep. or whatever is a "real" business person. Language barrier or not, how the hell do you go to a public forum and make those kind of statements and expect anyone to take you seriously????

"Never i could imagine how affiliates can be so liers! You make me sick and give me need to vomit."
Seriously!?!?

You sure he/she isn't a long lost sibling of that chat rep. from a while back (I think it won worst chat of the year or something, JHV's was the OP I think)...

Sorry not all Affilates are liars we are human beins just like you but there are some that are snakes in the grass you have to be very careful


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Hi All,

Found this over at AGD today. Tradition Casino has been changing affiliate terms post sign-ups.

Link Removed (invalid URL)

Using this information I'm guessing the BJ incident wasn't an accident :rolleyes:


Cheers

:)

Dave

I am speechless...
 

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Sorry not all Affilates are liars we are human beins just like you but there are some that are snakes in the grass you have to be very careful


GamblersGoWildCindy
Cindy, not sure if you were addressing the quoted poster (RedAndi) in your post or the Tradition/Bonne Chance rep. whom actually called the subject affiliates "liars" and thus needed to go:puke:. Perhaps you were not addressing anyone specifically but just making a statement in general.:)
 

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Cindy, not sure if you were addressing the quoted poster (RA) in your post or the Tradition/Bonne Chance rep. whom actually called the subject affiliates "liars" and thus needed to go:puke:. Perhaps you were not addressing anyone specifically but just making a statement in general.:)

just makeing a statement that I believe in wholeheartedly

we are all not crooks an liars

GamblersGoWildCindy
 

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Sorry not all Affilates are liars we are human beins just like you but there are some that are snakes in the grass you have to be very careful


GamblersGoWildCindy

I don't think anyone reading this thread or the one at Guard Dog thinks that affiliates are liars. That was the quote of a person who appears to be looking to cover their own ass. I highlighted it because that line specifically was the one that stood out to me as very juvenile.
It wasn't even that he/she called people liars to me, it was just the tone a so-called professional was using in a public forum that shocked me.
 

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I wont lie, we did have one or two small payment issues due to the VISA/MC fallout however we worked hard with CM and the players effected to rectify these issues. There are no outstanding issues that we are aware of.

I would just like to add, Ruby Royal consulted with Technical Systems Testing (TST) to have our payouts audited. We are the first and only Rival casino to do so and it was done for ours and our players peace of mind. Kind of like having someone else look at your own watch and tell you the time.

The reason there was not an audit for the last few months is that it completely feel off the radar on my huge list of priorities. I have been in touch with TST today and have requested a full audit for the missing months. Once complete i will post a link to it on our website..

Please be advised that our latest TST report has been completed and the certificate is now available on the Ruby Royal site on the following page:

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
 

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93.75% payout on slots is infact a bit low i guess. When those max cashout bonuses are included it will drop a bit more.
 

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So Tradition is either:-

(a) a grossly incompetent person who is unable to run a business given her long list of clumsy mistakes and will probably fail in any venture of that sort let alone one that is related to gambling or

(b) a big fat liar who resorts to blaming new staff for what is essentially her own fault.

Personally, I vouch for (b) but we never know really.

Chuch, I am willing to bet its a little bit ot both. I am not sure if the folks over at Tradition ever read anything on how to be successful in business. A good leader/owner would not let themselves be baited and react to the way Tradition does. The defensive and sometimes downright offensive approach that Tradition takes makes me feel is that they have something to hide. You know the best defense is a good offense and as some politicians will tell you admit nothing, deny everything.

I have dealt with business people from all over the world some with very little english. Most of them even with the language barrier conduct themselves with a high level of professionalism and would never call people "liars" at least openly anyway:D
 

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