Spin Palace money sucking?

[vinylweatherman]

maybe you just need to take a slots lesson from kasinoking?

I am going to vent steam by winning the Royal Vegas weekender for the third week in a row next weekend

I am afraid the normal KK strategies do not apply in these tournaments, as they last only 24 hours. The aim is to wager enough to win the prizes, but not so much that the HE takes more than the prize money away. I have done extremely well on Munchkins for months with this low bet strategy, but this week, post total lobby overhall, and 10's or B VP "improvements", I have seen the big off switch welded shut with the sheer current of bad luck

I have just watched Munchkins run another 350 spins with no bonus round, and seeing only one biscuit every 4 spins or so over a long spell. This is a biscuit hit rate far below the norm for the given reel bands. Who the hell put those Munchkins on a diet


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[vinylweatherman]

Plain F******** crazy

This is just plain F======== crazy!!!!

I had Munchkins die, so thought I would try a little 3 card poker, I did not get so much as a F****** PAIR!!!! while the dealer had consecutive flushes and straights, I pushed a few hands, but only won a few high card hands.
50x bet coin vanished in under a minute.

This is not real, and an investigation is needed into what is happening - no way can they be this bad, this often, if the results are the result of unweighted randomness. There are too many reports of this, and not just on this forum. Assurances will no longer do.

 

[tennis_balls]

face it weatherman. by winning that RV weekender twice in a row, you have messed with the karma. The casino gods of randomness are quite peeved and are thus setting out to even the score!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Gods sake

face it weatherman. by winning that RV weekender twice in a row, you have messed with the karma. The casino gods of randomness are quite peeved and are thus setting out to even the score!

The casino gods are not as powerful as the Frootie Gods. I have a modicum of revenge now, as I have proved 101% that the autohold on the 10's VP really IS CHEATING (unless you turn it off & do the right holds yourself). It also proves 100% that OLD GAMES UPDATE - B****x to their protestations that they don't. 10's or better was fine before, so must have changed recently, and it has nothing to do with tweaking the paytable.
If the casino had not hoovered up all my deposits I would not be doing the science and revealing these embarrassments. Just hope PurpleNaomi sees the latest cock-up - MGS are already on the rack with her over the screwy downloads.
They have already worked us over with Vegas Single Deck BJ, because it is NOT "Vegas rules", they have added a sneaky little twist to the proper rules that near triples the HE! Before that, they messed with Pontoon, also doubling the HE.

 

[Itoldyouso]

VWM,

They are only making up for lost revenues from us USA players. The same way they can fix sports, lottery, etc. They can control the payouts from a central location with online gaming. That was the main reason I QUIT. I kept getting mashed by BODOG's BJ. I betted $100 each playing 2 hands and the dealer got BJ 5 times in a row. I asked GOD to give me the strength to walk away and never again place another online bet. So far I have been able to do so. I don't even have the urge. I get up each day and watch c-span, goto work. Come home take wifey out on a drive, movies, shopping or dinner. We get in around 9:30 pm. I check a few email and messages and goto bed. The weekends we travel to a different state or city. I have really gotten my life back and I am enjoying it.

 

[tennis_balls]

VWM: if you truly believe MG is rigging some games, why do you continue to promote them on your website?

gotcha!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Good Point

VWM: if you truly believe MG is rigging some games, why do you continue to promote them on your website?

gotcha!

Good Point, I have not updated it since I had to change my hard drive and unload my web editing software.
Whatever is up, it seems over the whole platform, unlike RTG where we know it can be on an individual casino basis.

Unfortunately, proving a feeling like this is hard, but the longer these uncharateristic bad streaks go on, the more odd it looks.
It's no better in practice mode either, not sure why, as I have found something really queer going on with that too now. Previously we were told that guest accounts are exactly the same as real ones, except play is for fun points rather than proper money. I now find my practice balance and last game state in practice changes from one PC to another - very odd indeed given how it is supposed to work.

 

[gullcry]

Just want to give a quick thanks to Darren at Palace Group. The loyalty points system (10 000 level) at some of its casinos is now being reviewed so that it can brought down to the 'low roller friendly' redeemable 1000 points.

 

[footdr]

NOT SURE WHERE I READ THIS

I was looking up RNG and online casino software. Not sure if it was Microgaming or another software but it clearly said that the RNG for real mode was not the same one for fun play. It said that the fun play mode used the microsoft RNG. I will try to find it again.

My question is, and can't find answer on web:

when playing microgaming progressive jackpots, do all the casinos in the network use the same RNG? And for all other games use their own.

 

[Chill]

hmm, this is no longer a thread about spin palace, more MG in general

 

[gullcry]

Examples of other total wierdness, such as the change of autohold in what is an OLD GAME, which we have been told by a casino rep DO NOT UPDATE every month, make me believe that there has been a bug introduced, quite unintentionally, that has caused the games to pay less than they should, as per the bug that caused English Harbour VP doubling to lose a third from the theoretical payout (the bug caused the dealer to "deal seconds" only when players won, but before the server validated the result, with around half the wins being re-evaluated into losses or pushes)

As far fetched as this sounds, I actually find it more plausible than thinking that MG have just clicked the off switch.

That dry spells between wins has now become a drought is obvious, but I struggle to understand what they can gain by bankrupting their remaining market? I really hope that this changes. Playtime is important. It is the only way you can excuse this habit as being for entertainment, but you cant justify this when dud spin, after dud spin, causes you to crash out in a matter of minutes.

 

[KasinoKing]

Just to redress the balance of this thread somewhat...

Although I have great respect for VWM's investigations & reports, I struggle to believe the 'conspiracy theory' that MG have somehow tweaked their slot games to give a bigger house edge.

(However, I do believe RTG did this; across the board, NOT casino specific)

I think this run of bad luck can be just put down to that - bad luck.
We all get it from time to time, and I can assure you I scream "you rigged piece of sh*t!" at my screen as often as anyone else!
But when I calm down & look at all the good luck I've had as well - I can't really complain.

When I play MG's, 99% of my play is on slots and I haven't noticed any significant change in my returns over recent months.
At 32Red for example, I made $300 profit in Feb & another $350 in March, so if it is rigged it's in my favour!

KK

 

[Itoldyouso]

Just to redress the balance of this thread somewhat...

Although I have great respect for VWM's investigations & reports, I struggle to believe the 'conspiracy theory' that MG have somehow tweaked their slot games to give a bigger house edge.

(However, I do believe RTG did this; across the board, NOT casino specific)KK

And what makes you think MG wouldn't do it but RTG would? JC, MG doesn't care who or where the money is coming from, muchless RTG!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Reports

And what makes you think MG wouldn't do it but RTG would? JC, MG doesn't care who or where the money is coming from, muchless RTG!

KK's data are just as important as my reports. My reports are aimed at exploding the comfortable myths that MG would have us believe about their software (and whose fault it is when we complain it doesn't work). KK has performance data over a number of sessions, as he is a low roller, the data should have a large sample size in respect of number of events (spins).
I would like to see if KK continues to make the same profits during April, as it looks like something happened in March that has triggered this latest upwelling of indignation at having our deposits hoovered up so fast. Until this week, low rolling in slots tournaments has also worked well for me, this all changed yesterday - I have never seen these kinds of dry spells over such long sample sizes. The 606 spins without a bonus round was truly exceptional, and not in a good sense, and was well in excess of the worst I normally see when running at low bets in these tournaments.
Astonishingly, I came 1st, 2nd, and 3rd despite just giving up at that point, no other player seemed interested in scoring more than a few hundred!
With the prize money, it looks like I have plucked victory from the jaws of certain defeat, and will live to run another experiment low rolling on the other April tournaments.
I will accept that MG have listened, and acted, when I see that 10's or better VP has been mended. They have been well and truly busted on this, and cannot hide behind wooly excuses, such as we have all been infected by the autohold virus

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Kasinoking I dont know how many casinos your a member of, probably quite a few like me, but dont you find it strange how when you sign up to a new casino, the games always always play well for a while?, especially if your playing with a sign up bonus?
Isnt it also possible that casinos have the ability to lets say `influence` certain players accounts in one direction while `influencing` others in another? What about the`administrative tools` and `operator tools` which is part of the gaming software we DONT get to see. What little bags of goodies are hidden in them do you reckon? id like to draw your attention to an excerb from the microgamings own website which says

`And our back-end software means operators can keep track of every game, every player, and every spin to maximise results and increase profitability. `

Maximise whos results? Increase whos profitability? Do you think they mean the gamer? Me neither. Bearing in mind guys this was taken from the COMMERCIAL part of the microgaming website ie to prospective casino operators. Some casinos use the same software but have different % payouts, how is this possible if the casino has no ways of manipulating it?

I dont believe this is a conspiracy, I DO believe casinos can alter their settings and to who at any time they choose. I dont believe this will change my methods of playing on casinos, I accept that such things probably exist but the whole notion that a casino operator is deaf, dumb, blind and helpless to anything that goes on in THEIR casino to me is plain daft.

How about the `Licensee section` on Grand virtual website.

`Casino manager controls for table stakes and maximum bets.

`A powerful suite of player marketing tools, including banner libraries and loyalty and retention programs. `

`Extensive data mining, analysis and reporting tools`

We only see `the games` but gaming software platforms are sophisticated pieces of technology with many `controls` and `tools` built into them. No one will ever convince me that casinos cant and dont manipulate the software they use.

Again I understand this and still I take my chances because I enjoy the games, their fun and i COULD win. I dont know for sure of course, the fact that the gaming platform websites themselves hint at such tools built into their software is enough to tell me there is probably a lot more that goes on than we will ever know.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Back end

The statement about the back end could just mean that individual players could be given offers tailored to their play. This could increase profitability by casinos targeting players with offers the casino believes they will lose at, rather than where they think players do well. They can also see which "bait" snares which player, and whether the player consistently wins or loses.

I have seen this back end in action, suddenly, mailers will just stop without explanation, and CS will not have a clue, however I have found out after application of pressure that the back end software determines that certain players play too well to receive promotional mailers, and are automatically cut from the list despite the fact they may be heavy depositors at the casino.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

lol vmw, end of the day never trust anyone when it comes down to money

 

[Chill]

I am certain something has happened. In the last 4 days I have made a total of 20 deposits at $100 a piece and not once did I manage to get the deposits above 120 bucks

I was plain and simple sucked dry on every deposit without even having a single good hit.

 

[java1980]

spin palace sucks

without any doubt, spin palace doesnt run any fair business. i too have a experience with these ppl. i too understand about luck and bad luck.at casino rewards, i will win , loose and same at other casinos. but at palace group, why always bad luck.and thats always. should i think it was my bad luck.well i am sure that there is something there. i will avoid this group at all costs.well atleast i have learnt a lesson.

 

[vinylweatherman]

MGS

without any doubt, spin palace doesnt run any fair business. i too have a experience with these ppl. i too understand about luck and bad luck.at casino rewards, i will win , loose and same at other casinos. but at palace group, why always bad luck.and thats always. should i think it was my bad luck.well i am sure that there is something there. i will avoid this group at all costs.well atleast i have learnt a lesson.

I have experienced this hellish spell over the whole MG portfolio, and my bad initial spell at Spin Palace reversed itself with the cashback bonus. My ability to find the cash-out button nipped the second losing streak in the bud. I then had a terrible run at Jackpot Factory, and a death plunge at King Neptune.
I was rescued by winning the RiverBelle slots tournament, which was 2500 CASH (no WR, and it came straight out ).

I am still finding 3 card poker dire, as well as slots giving constant poor bonus rounds.

Perhaps the answer is a few new accounts if they do play better. I am sure though that a while back it was new accounts that played poorly because of the bonuses (before the clearplay system).

Easter is around the corner, and there are a few extra bonuses about to stretch the bankroll, and I am spinning at 18p again in the 5 Rams tournament

The weather here is set to be very good over the holiday (makes a change), and my Niece has summoned me to appear before McDonalds' counter. I hope that the poor streak is over by the end of the holidays, and I can take out a few more tournaments.

Perhaps I will write a book in the summer. The title might be "Microgaming and the registry - a practical guide to getting the best out of your Viper client"; on the other hand, Microgaming might stop releasing loads of games each month and get to grips with all the software bugs, and I will not need to write a book (yet)

 

[tennis_balls]

the weatherman after a bad session

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[vinylweatherman]

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I think that was you after seeing who won the Royal Vegas weekender yet again