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[cncas2123]

@Nicola I watched the other thread unfold along with this and thought to myself....where are the mods to trot out the blessed forum T&C's regarding forum usage?

Of course they are attacking you. But you are not part of the club or an affiliate bringing in 'the bees and the honey' so of course it will go unchallenged.

I actually wanted to PM you because I know they'll just attack anyone who comes to your defence but...yeah....whatever....you know how it goes on here.

I have to say I am not part of any club, nor am I an affiliate of any description, but what I am is a normal CM member who can see the difference between promoting a casino linked to a group that is rogued on every decent site and promoting a site that is licensed by the MGA/UKGC and has terms that will affect a very small number of players........ I suppose I will be accused of attacking people now?

 

[colinsunderland]

@Nicola I watched the other thread unfold along with this and thought to myself....where are the mods to trot out the blessed forum T&C's regarding forum usage?

I wondered that too when she was attacking another member

Of course they are attacking you. But you are not part of the club or an affiliate bringing in 'the bees and the honey' so of course it will go unchallenged.

I don't understand that, what club? And Nicola is an affiliate?

 

[paul7388]

Got to admit i kind of agree with slotter in a sense.

I also read the other thread as well as this one and i find some of the stuff wrote a bit hypocritical.
Nicola gets called out for taking time to search for information yet others have spent so much time searching to find fault with her.

Can see why Bcasino has been rogued here. But maybe if they are so bad everyone should be chasing the UKGC to find out why they are licencing it. Also find it hard to find many complaints about them. On the other hand i do not see the problem with sportingbet either and would hardly class them as a rogue operation.

But from a person that basically reads a lot of threads on here i would say Nicola gets a hard time. Not saying she is right as she may well be in the wrong. But in several threads where she has been having a disagreement with someone then several others will always join in against her. Even if she makes a valid point noone agrees they just keep putting her down.

Anyway i personally don't care much about affiliate stuff and have my own opinions about it.

I also don't really care about the fact i will get told i am talking crap. But as someone that has never even spoke to Nicola and is completely neutral i would say she gets a harder time than she deserves quite often on here.

 

[dunover]

Here we go hijacking another thread Colin. I am not attacking anyone, I'm bringing up a valid point that a member here is promoting a rogue site. I have provided evidence of that. You can check for yourself.

Yes, it was well covered last year I promoted a rogue site. I admitted it, I have never denied that fact. I removed the link from CM when I was asked.

Once again, I say respectfully... I no longer webmaster ANY affiliate site. If any site I used to manage is promoting a rogue site, what can I do about it? You have the option of reporting it to the UKGC, ASA just like anyone else.

For clarity, the image provided clearly shows the SB ad on thePOGG is not the front page, but 9 pages down.
**Apologies, this was covered further down, I was eating tea and left this post for a while before coming back to it**
Okay, moving on - you say "any site you used to manage etc" but that's the point, this happened on your watch, not just yesterday. With the knowledge/info you had made available to you regarding bcasino and given your position & responsibilities you listed in that other thread I cannot believe that that site got promoted without your say-so. Either you had the same decision-making clout as the office cleaner in that set-up you described OR you simply decided to ignore the advice given.

You also misrepresented (as well as unwisely posting a private message from Bryan when just referring to the gist would have been enough) that Bryan 'proved' you didn't remove those incriminating images. His PM said nothing of the sort. He was simply being diplomatic and politely asking after the images in a softly-softly manner - you misrepresented his speculation about image host issues as fact.

Upon further investigation, it appears that it's almost certain (but I cannot demonstrate this 100% at this stage until I get the remaining info) that the timing of their removal doesn't match the reasons put forward thus far. You could have cooperated in the spirit of the community by supplying them which could have been instrumental in ensuring this outfit, which can only have been funded by the 1668/JAZ scams, never got near to passing themselves off as legitimate and getting a UK license. I highly doubt, Xenofo host or whatever, you never retained those incendiary images on your PC or device and possibly even still have them.

At this stage you're probably thinking 'this is the moment he'll say you took the wrong path, forgot your ethics'. Nope - that would be unfair. The obtaining of the UGC license by GS/AI was a vital stage in their dodgy enterprise and you could've blown it out of the water when they saw your thread. Because we at CM, between us, have had SEO Black Hat, death threats to kids, hacking threats, DDOS, content skimming, the whole lot from them and their acolytes. So in my opinion, my personal belief only, I reckon you were either coerced or if lucky incentivised to remove what you could - they would know you cannot edit the post away and getting you to ask the admin to do it would simply confirm you were right, but images were the main part and you could 'lose' those.

In my eyes (and I reiterate this is solely MY take on this and not endorsed by anyone else) you made a great spot when starting that thread but to go from the kudos you got there for ethics and community safety right through to actually promoting them is baffling to many and the above is the only logical explanation I can see. If a member has PM'd you in support, I suggest they read the above and understand what these people are all about and then see why the matter is so emotive. No affiliate is perfect, far from it, and it ain't a perfect industry to be as I have discovered like most.

OK, this has been a long post and I started off with a paragraph or two relevant to the thread, typed rather too much addressing one line of your quoted post so it's best I finish with relevance again. It's important to distinguish in these matters between 'CM Rogued' and 'Rogue Casinos'. The two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive - example being SkyVegas who were CM rogued for affiliate treatment IIRC at one time yet we all know that for players there aren't many safer or better and no way would Bryan have sanctioned members for promoting them on their websites. This is a player advocacy forum and they are great as far as players go, right? The term 'rogue' is quite subjective and there are many shithouse casinos scamming players who are the opposite and look after the affiliates (for a while anyway). Then you have some in the middle with a 'rogue term'. It's worth considering the difference.

My keyboard is wearing out and no! @vinylweatherman hasn't come back either!

 

[dunover]

I haven't looked anything up, that is why I was asking. I'm keen to see how many complaints they generated.

I have just spoken to my ex business partner to check as he still has the records. Over the 18 months bCasino were promoted there was 924 depositing players. Based on 73 players feedback, the average withdrawal time was 27 hours and there was only 3 complaints in that time. They were all related to KYC.

A search on AskGamblers shows bCasino with also good player feedback. In fact, I'm struggling to find any serious complaints about them.

That is utterly irrelevant and not the issue here and you know it.

I'll put it in terms you cannot fail to understand.

The 'syndicate' open a posh Italian on Broadway, 5* cuisine, best chefs, cooks and equipment going. Great food and wine, good value too. Only, behind the scenes there are 20 back street business that have been ripped-off, coerced into ordering stuff on tick for the syndicate to relieve them of, threats to staff, protection money, broken fingers and general misery.

You know this, do you still go and eat there? Advertise them? Or like most informed people, steer clear?

 

[maxd]

Well Nicola is apparently taking a holiday from our forums and the way this "topic" came about stinks so...

Thread closed and Nicola gets that 30 day vacation. The moral of that story is don't use our forums to attempt to discredit another affiliate site, particularly not ThePogg who doesn't deserve that kind of BS.

If anyone wants to lodge a protest please feel free to Report this post and give your reasons.

 

[maxd]

OK, I'm hearing that the 30 days seems excessive. Actually I was just using Nicola's own suggestion but I get that not everyone appreciates that. Anyway, let's call it 6 days.