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ThePOGG

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I see the @ThePOGG are promoting Sporting Bet as a recommended casino on their front page :confused:




https://thepogg.com/casino-review/sporting-bet/
Ordinarily I'd be happy to answer questions regarding our promotional policies, but there's a massive '?' over the motivations behind a lot of your posting for me. From not being able to adequately answer for your flip flop call out of a UKGC licensed operator as connected to one of the worst rogues in the industry to happily working with them, to a 'FactCheckUK' style domain choice, to you totally derailing the other affiliate thread by raising the streaming issue that's nothing what-so-ever to do with what was being discussed, to not being willing to provide domain names that you claimed could be accessed when you tested BetBlocker (despite me asking again and again like a broken record so we could ensure we offered the best protection to our users), there just something off about your behaviour to me.

My opinion is that your motivations for posting are not benevolant or constructive. I'm personally not willing to interact with you further.

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Nicola

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Ordinarily I'd be happy to answer questions regarding our promotional policies, but there's a massive '?' over the motivations behind a lot of your posting for me. From not being able to adequately answer for your flip flop call out of a UKGC licensed operator as connected to one of the worst rogues in the industry to happily working with them, to a 'FactCheckUK' style domain choice, to you totally derailing the other affiliate thread by raising the streaming issue that's nothing what-so-ever to do with what was being discussed, to not being willing to provide domain names that you claimed could be accessed when you tested BetBlocker (despite me asking again and again like a broken record so we could ensure we offered the best protection to our users), there just something off about your behaviour to me.

My opinion is that your motivations for posting are not benevolant or constructive. I'm personally not willing to interact with you further.

TP
You told me to submit the domains through your web site contact form, which I did. Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing if the e-mail was received or not.

Another member of CM private messaged me this morning saying I was unfairly picked upon and they listed examples of other affiliates who were doing the same. I have now highlighted in the correct thread (correct me if (I'm wrong) that you were still linking to a rogue site.

There is no ill intent here. Unless there has been a change of ownership, my understanding is that you still webmaster said site? Geez.
 

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I see the @ThePOGG are promoting Sporting Bet as a recommended casino on their front page :confused:




https://thepogg.com/casino-review/sporting-bet/
Sorry but Pot kettle Back springs to mind.

Nice little deflection away from all the unanswered questions from yourself though.

Nobody is picking on you anymore than you pick on others to suit.

All grown ups here and you can all stand your own ground.
 

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You told me to submit the domains through your web site contact form, which I did. Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing if the e-mail was received or not.

Another member of CM private messaged me this morning saying I was unfairly picked upon and they listed examples of other affiliates who were doing the same. I have now highlighted in the correct thread (correct me if (I'm wrong) that you were still linking to a rogue site.

There is no ill intent here. Unless there has been a change of ownership, my understanding is that you still webmaster said site? Geez.
Of course there is ill intent, what are you, 12?
You were caught out in your lies, after attacking another member, now you are clearly attacking someone else, for no reason except being caught out promoting a rogue casino and lying about your role in a company you pretended to own.
I can't see the thread you started with all these other affiliates you mention, or is it JUST Duncan you have gone after, despite apparently having a list of others doing the same?
People in glass houses and all that......
 

Nicola

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Of course there is ill intent, what are you, 12?
You were caught out in your lies, after attacking another member, now you are clearly attacking someone else, for no reason except being caught out promoting a rogue casino and lying about your role in a company you pretended to own.
I can't see the thread you started with all these other affiliates you mention, or is it JUST Duncan you have gone after, despite apparently having a list of others doing the same?
People in glass houses and all that......
Here we go hijacking another thread Colin. I am not attacking anyone, I'm bringing up a valid point that a member here is promoting a rogue site. I have provided evidence of that. You can check for yourself.

Yes, it was well covered last year I promoted a rogue site. I admitted it, I have never denied that fact. I removed the link from CM when I was asked.

Once again, I say respectfully... I no longer webmaster ANY affiliate site. If any site I used to manage is promoting a rogue site, what can I do about it? You have the option of reporting it to the UKGC, ASA just like anyone else.
 

ThePOGG

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I see the @ThePOGG are promoting Sporting Bet as a recommended casino on their front page :confused:
Case in point regarding the slant that this user looks to create in their posting. The claim is that we recommend this casino (absolutely true) on our "front page". I think most users here would agree with me that the "front page" of a site is the homepage. Nicola hasn't just popped over to our site and seen this on the homepage and decided to highlight their discontent with out choices. They've had to do some digging to find this operator to allow them to highlight our listing in this thread.

How do I know this? Firstly, I know which operators could potentially be shown on our "front page". Sporting Bet do not qualify for these position. Secondly, look at the url in the screen shot that Nicola's posted - thepogg.com/ best-casinos/page/9/. So they've had to go into an internal page - our best casinos listing page - and then have had to go 9 pages back to find this listing.

They didn't contact privately to say 'are you aware of...'. They went straight to the boards to 'call us out'.

This user hasn't coincidentally stumbled upon something relevant to this topic, they've gone to our site on a hunt to try and pick a fight.

And they're looking to play down their own actions by calling Sporting Bet by the same label - 'rogue' - as bCasino who they worked with. A max withdrawal on progressive jackpots (how many players do you think this is going to impact?) vs connections to one of the worst groups in the industry that generate a higher volume of player complaints for us that any other group.

For everyone else, here's the response that I provided to another member who PM to alert me to this thread:

ThePOGG said:
"Yeah - I wasn't aware of the term at SB, but it wouldn't actually change our position on SB. We've changed our reviewing policies recently because so few players were actually taking any notice of what we were saying in our reviews (as evidenced by the growing number of 'repeat complainants' who consistently play with operators we list as Not Recommended). Our current policy is to highlight this type of term in the Trustworthiness section of the review so those players that are interested and actually read our reviews can be aware of it and make their own mind up.

I don't like the term and never have, but it will impact a very small number of players at the end of the day and it's more important to us to open up positive relationships with operators like this as we can likely help more players recover money from this group when they cooperate with our complaint service than will ever be compromised by a progressive jackpot withdrawal cap. "
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Here we go hijacking another thread Colin. I am not attacking anyone, I'm bringing up a valid point that a member here is promoting a rogue site. I have provided evidence of that. You can check for yourself.

Yes, it was well covered last year I promoted a rogue site. I admitted it, I have never denied that fact. I removed the link from CM when I was asked.

Once again, I say respectfully... I no longer webmaster ANY affiliate site. If any site I used to manage is promoting a rogue site, what can I do about it? You have the option of reporting it to the UKGC, ASA just like anyone else.
Anyone reading this thread and the other one can clearly see what you are doing.
I've been on Duncan's site and can't see them on the front page, strange that, it's almost as if you have gone looking for anything to have a go at him about.

EDIT: Duncan posted at the same time as me.
 

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Nicola gets attacked. Dont respond to critism, critism that was well laid out in a decent manner. Instead Nicola goes looking for stuff to make others look bad to divert attention. And then you wonder why you get attacked "unfair"?

If you want to participate in a forum, expect hard questions without playing a victim.
 

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OK Colin, can we make deal? If you PM me a set of questions (or start a new on topic thread) I will answer all of your questions that you have for me. I can't say fairer than that. I want to get this resolved so we can both move on :)

And no, I didn't go searching for a argument/fight with Duncan. Another member PM'd me this morning saying I wasn't the only one promoting rogue sites and to keep my 'chin up' - if that member wants to chime in she can.
 

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@ThePOGG Genuine question which I'm keen to know the answer too as your the person in the know on complaints and such. You say "one of the worst groups in the industry that generate a higher volume of player complaints for us that any other group."

How many complaints overall have bCasino generated through your site? Cheers.
 

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OK Colin, can we make deal? If you PM me a set of questions (or start a new on topic thread) I will answer all of your questions that you have for me. I can't say fairer than that. I want to get this resolved so we can both move on :)

And no, I didn't go searching for a argument/fight with Duncan. Another member PM'd me this morning saying I wasn't the only one promoting rogue sites and to keep my 'chin up' - if that member wants to chime in she can.
No we can't make a deal. I left it last night, and you attacking the second member in a short space of time prompted me to post again. If you go round attacking members for the exact same thing you were more than happy to do yourself, then don't start crying about it when someone fights back.
Plenty of questions in the other thread if you wish to answer any, but I think I know what the answer to that will be.
The ONLY reason you posted in this thread was to have a go at Duncan. You know that, I know that and so should anyone else reading it.
 

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And no, I didn't go searching for a argument/fight with Duncan. Another member PM'd me this morning saying I wasn't the only one promoting rogue sites and to keep my 'chin up' - if that member wants to chime in she can.

Not sure that all patting each other on the back saying oh its ok if I promote a rogue site as he/she also does is something to be commended or used as an acceptable reason/excuse! How about not promoting them full stop. Worry about oneself first and foremost.
 

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@ThePOGG Genuine question which I'm keen to know the answer too as your the person in the know on complaints and such. You say "one of the worst groups in the industry that generate a higher volume of player complaints for us that any other group."

How many complaints overall have bCasino generated through your site? Cheers.
Can we skip the false pretenses in asking for information you have already looked up? If you have a point to make, make it. If that's defending bCasino I doubt you're going to find a particularly receptive audience.

bCasino are Blacklisted because of the connections that have been demonstrated to a group that are as rogue as they come. The GTG and associated companies have

- been caught running fake games
- employ genuinely rogue terms (like a max bet term on non-bonus play that the both the MGA and MCCAA determined was non-compliant with EU Consumer Laws - they dumped their MGA license and move to Curacao just as that ruling came down and continue with this practice that shorts multiple players that complain to us every month)
- run predatory self-exclusion protocols (group wide SEs without providing the player any way to know where their exclusion applies and no registration checks to catch SE registrations - addicts get free rolled, if they lose the group keeps the money and if they win the group refuses to pay due to their heartfelt concern for protecting vulnerable players)
- work with affiliates specifically looking target gambling addicts in countries that they do not hold a license to access - the list goes on and on.

That a casino is run 'clean' to allow it to access a licensed market doesn't undo those sorts of connections or make us in any way comfortable that players will be treated fairly in the long run. Nor would we as an affiliate want to financially support a business that is connected to a group engaged in these types of activities.

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Nicola

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No we can't make a deal. I left it last night, and you attacking the second member in a short space of time prompted me to post again.

The ONLY reason you posted in this thread was to have a go at Duncan. You know that, I know that and so should anyone else reading it.
OK then that's it. Matter closed. I have my ex-business partner on Skype and I wanted to answer any outstanding questions. Fine if you want to bring an end to it now.

And on the second point, no I would never post just to attack someone. I hold both Duncan and ThePogg with great respect and was simply pointing something out that was brought to my attention.
 

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OK then that's it. Matter closed. I have my ex-business partner on Skype and I wanted to answer any outstanding questions. Fine if you want to bring an end to it now.

And on the second point, no I would never post just to attack someone. I hold both Duncan and ThePogg with great respect and was simply pointing something out that was brought to my attention.
Only a thought, but why didnt you PM ThePogg and point out what was brought to your attention rather than posting about it? I know if I want to point something out to someone I do it in private, not on a public forum......
And I am only an interested bystander in this, just wondering why....
 

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OK then that's it. Matter closed. I have my ex-business partner on Skype and I wanted to answer any outstanding questions. Fine if you want to bring an end to it now.

And on the second point, no I would never post just to attack someone. I hold both Duncan and ThePogg with great respect and was simply pointing something out that was brought to my attention.
So did Duncan not respond to your PM about it or did you think, a day after the posts yesterday, you would just try to make him look bad in public?
 

Nicola

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Can we skip the false pretenses in asking for information you have already looked up? If you have a point to make, make it. If that's defending bCasino I doubt you're going to find a particularly receptive audience.
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I haven't looked anything up, that is why I was asking. I'm keen to see how many complaints they generated.

I have just spoken to my ex business partner to check as he still has the records. Over the 18 months bCasino were promoted there was 924 depositing players. Based on 73 players feedback, the average withdrawal time was 27 hours and there was only 3 complaints in that time. They were all related to KYC.

A search on AskGamblers shows bCasino with also good player feedback. In fact, I'm struggling to find any serious complaints about them.
 
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