Shock! Casino owners may change RTP in Play N'GO slots!

[bamberfishcake]

The devil is provider studio - Playngo - why they even creating games with 5 or more rtp% levels ?
why they creating lowest rtp% model for their games set up at 84% RTP ? ! they know this is extreme low level = scam level RTP% but they know in same time is a lot dirty casinos who take this level.

Its plenty casinos with Curacao Licension - then dont need publish RTP% for their games , and if they put in playtable fake informations abaout rtp% like 96% and running games with 84% then is no big deal.

What they risk ? if casino running uder Curacao they can do what they want - So provider - studio Playngo creating this kind of low 84% rtp model mainly for casinos with a curacao license.

So Provider Playngo is new RTG Real Time Gaming - messed with RTP and creating crazy low RTP% models for their games. - In Real Time gaming - most victims are - players from USA - in Playngo software slots = Most victims of scamy 84% model is group customers playing in casinos under curacao licensions.

( casinos under Curacao take most adventage with use lowest rtp% models games from Playngo and hidden RTP% files in playtable or show fake RTP% informations in playtable )

The thing is this is a UK licenced and reputable brand from what i can gather.

Not Curacao licenced.

This is supposed to be a trusted place to play.

I would prefer PlaynGo did not offer different versions but to state a higher RTP than what the played version is offering is basically ripping off your client base. Thats down to the casino for making a conscious decision to con their players.

Its like selling Mercedes with a Ford engine. Your buying a car but under the hood your not getting what you pay for.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I feel a juicy video from @ChopleyIOM coming up

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I feel a juicy video from @ChopleyIOM coming up

The only thing I'm still trying to get my head around is why the RTP is there in plain text in the server calls, however thinking about it PNG probably don't run five logically distinct servers for each RTP variation, so the server needs to know which RTP model a client is requesting a result from.

So from VS you're calling the 94% maths model, from dodgy Russian casino you're calling the 84% maths model, from LeoVegas you're calling the 96% maths model, and so on.

So maybe it's as a simple as that, maybe that is part of the call from the client, 'Hello PNG server, please give me a result from the 94% maths model for Book Of Dead'. And maybe PNG did just leave that part of the request as a plain text variable in one of the server calls.

Anyway, if any of this stuff changes I've already gathered plenty of videos and screenshots for a video for the channel, I'm just keeping my powder dry until we can bottom things out.

This is the kind of thing where some input from trancemonkey might be useful

 

[dionysus]

This is the kind of thing where some input from trancemonkey might be useful

you'd probably be more likely to get him to respond here by flagging him

@trancemonkey

 

[slot_zombie]

If it's there in plain text, could it be "hacked" to deliver 96%?

 

[Harry_BKK]

If it's there in plain text, could it be "hacked* to deliver 96%?

or 196%?

EDIT: If it is in anyway as RTG, then PnG has the provider noted for what they agreed to, so any request with a different RTP would not be handled.

 

[sufferinsilence]

The only thing I'm still trying to get my head around is why the RTP is there in plain text in the server calls, however thinking about it PNG probably don't run five logically distinct servers for each RTP variation, so the server needs to know which RTP model a client is requesting a result from.

So from VS you're calling the 94% maths model, from dodgy Russian casino you're calling the 84% maths model, from LeoVegas you're calling the 96% maths model, and so on.

So maybe it's as a simple as that, maybe that is part of the call from the client, 'Hello PNG server, please give me a result from the 94% maths model for Book Of Dead'. And maybe PNG did just leave that part of the request as a plain text variable in one of the server calls.

Anyway, if any of this stuff changes I've already gathered plenty of videos and screenshots for a video for the channel, I'm just keeping my powder dry until we can bottom things out.

This is the kind of thing where some input from trancemonkey might be useful

It sure would be interesting for someone "in the know" to chime in on this.

Are all the PnG slots on that particular casino advertised as 96% yet have the 94% version running?

 

[Nik]

If it's there in plain text, could it be "hacked" to deliver 96%?

Or 106% will be even better

 

[ChopleyIOM]

If it's there in plain text, could it be "hacked" to deliver 96%?

Well the rule with this sort of thing is 'never trust the client', for precisely this reason. In fact, for that reason it's probably the other way round, and the 84-96 value is from the server as part of the overall 'package' for each spin, but on that logic, why even have it in there at all? Unless it's just something that PNG left in there by accident, or didn't really consider the fact that someone might find it, or didn't care either way.

 

[Nik]

Well after this thread I think PnG are already working on it .... so I suspect very soon we won’t be able to “inspect” the games file simply by a few clicks

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well after this thread I think PnG are already working on it .... so I suspect very soon we won’t be able to “inspect” the games file simply by a few clicks

Well that would be telling enough in itself.

 

[spiker1977]

Seems PnG is giving 98% value in some games in sweden.

The games are: Troll hunters, Golden ticket, leprechaun goes egypt, mermaids Diamond,
Raging rex, Wild north, Golden colts, superflip.....

This is from unibet and maria casino.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Well that would be telling enough in itself.

Absolutely. Transparency = Trust.

If nothing to hide why hide it? Must be a reason then.

 

[SpinUk]

In the spirit of transparancy it should be left in there.

Also once the Casino’s doing this are named and shamed then surely legally they are bound to net reimburse all funds played in this. I’d even go so far to say this is plain fraud -> criminal charges.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Seems PnG is giving 98% value in some games in sweden.

The games are: Troll hunters, Golden ticket, leprechaun goes egypt, mermaids Diamond,
Raging rex, Wild north, Golden colts, superflip.....

This is from unibet and maria casino.

Or at least that's what the help file says

 

[bamberfishcake]

In the spirit of transparancy it should be left in there.

Also once the Casino’s doing this are named and shamed then surely legally they are bound to net reimburse all funds played in this. I’d even go so far to say this is plain fraud -> criminal charges.

Not sure of the legality. Think its more likely the UKGC would fine them, if proven and deemed to be unethical/unfair.

Hopefully make an example and put something in place to give the protection to players they apparently aim to.

 

[SpinUk]

Not sure of the legality. Think its more likely the UKGC would fine them, if proven and deemed to be unethical/unfair.

Hopefully make an example and put something in place to give the protection to players they apparently aim to.

UK legal definition:

“Fraud is committed in the following circumstances.
◆ When a person dishonestly makes a false representation with the intention of making a gain or causing a loss to another person or exposing them to the risk of loss (s2, FA 2006).”

If it walks and talks like fraud...

 

[bamberfishcake]

UK legal definition:

“Fraud is committed in the following circumstances.
◆ When a person dishonestly makes a false representation with the intention of making a gain or causing a loss to another person or exposing them to the risk of loss (s2, FA 2006).”

If it walks and talks like fraud...

Like that and totally agree.

Still 1% of me thinks they will get away with it a little but at worst this may help gain a more knowledgeable customer if the press get hold of it.

 

[asghan]

Checked few casinos. Accredited Everum has png at 87 what a disgrace

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The more eyes on this the better, has everyone found that the help file RTP matches the RTP shown in the network stack trace?

This is significant because the more evidence we have that those two numbers match, the more we can be sure that a major UK facing casino is advertising the slot at a higher RTP than they're running it at.

So as disgraceful as 87% RTP is, if it matches the stated help file RTP, then that's 'good', if you see what I mean.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Ahhh, Everum don't list the RTP at all, now we know why

 

[asghan]

Yeah I know what you mean, but I'm mostly checking curacao licensed casinos as they are not required to show their RTP.

Till now I was taking what was in help file at face value but as I understand from this big uk group case, it was a mistake.

Edit: Of course in demo mode they have 96%, at least some others casinos that had lower options had the same version for both play and real mode. Not cool Everum

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Oohhh yeah that's pretty scummy.

Also, isn't that against the accreditation standards?

(Screenshot above is real play, this screenshot is demo play.)

 

[FAZI1]

Slottica and other sister sites including - Lucky Bird - All Right casino - Loki - Supercat ( Poor quality curacao licensed casinos targetting mainly in Russian - Polish traffic - all of them running Playngo slots at 84% RTP during last few months

Results from today morning test show 84%

Suprise - when im make new test few h ago then results was different - 96% So all this dirty poor quality casinos know already players found way to find informations abaout rtp% model they use - So now they quicly switched from 84% - to 96% same like vavada casino.

Curacao Licensed casino + Playngo software and few popular games like Book of dead or reactoonz is best way to make profits for all this curacao licensed casinos.

 

[SpinUk]

Can we share the two UKGC casinos in question now please? All screenshots and evidence is now gathered after all.