Shock! Casino owners may change RTP in Play N'GO slots!

[Mr_Slot5]

Quite worrying it's so easy to switch between RTP versions for the casinos.

I said a while back that all slots should be one stated RTP, and this is why...

 

[bamberfishcake]

The more eyes on this the better, has everyone found that the help file RTP matches the RTP shown in the network stack trace?

This is significant because the more evidence we have that those two numbers match, the more we can be sure that a major UK facing casino is advertising the slot at a higher RTP than they're running it at.

So as disgraceful as 87% RTP is, if it matches the stated help file RTP, then that's 'good', if you see what I mean.

Took me a few tries to find exactly what i was looking for. Im not ashamed to say an idiots guide would have been useful for me.

Now i know ill be checking for sure.

Suprise - when im make new test few h ago then results was different - 96% So all this dirty poor quality casinos know already players found way to find informations abaout rtp% model they use - So now they quicly switched from 84% - to 96% same like vavada casino.

If this is the reason its changed then its clearly an admission of guilt. Hopefully enough evidence has been gathered.

 

[The Viking]

Can we share the two UKGC casinos in question now please? All screenshots and evidence is now gathered after all.

Jep exaxcly this is a forum to help and warn others so why keep it a secret not cool

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Jep exaxcly this is a forum to help and warn others so why keep it a secret not cool

Because you can't go around accusing businesses of fraud unless you have irrefutable evidence.

Otherwise you could be taken to court yourself.

 

[colinsunderland]

Because you can't go around accusing businesses of fraud unless you have irrefutable evidence.

Otherwise you could be taken to court yourself.

Yes, this. Plus the fact they read this forum, and you don't want them suddenly changing the help files before the evidence has been gathered and the ukgc seen it for themselves.

 

[EkJR]

Can we share the two UKGC casinos in question now please? All screenshots and evidence is now gathered after all.

And give them a chance to cover it up? No.

 

[The Viking]

Yes, this. Plus the fact they read this forum, and you don't want them suddenly changing the help files before the evidence has been gathered and the ukgc seen it for themselves.

Really whats the point of this thread then ?
And who is gathering evidence and alerting UKGC ?
And if you dont wont casino owners reading this take it privat and then come out once the evidence have been submitted

 

[EkJR]

Really whats the point of this thread then ?
And who is gathering evidence and alerting UKGC ?
And if you dont wont casino owners reading this take it privat and then come out once the evidence have been submitted

If he names them at this stage its potentially slanderous activity so he is following the correct protocol here.

 

[Slottery]

Yes, this. Plus the fact they read this forum, and you don't want them suddenly changing the help files before the evidence has been gathered and the ukgc seen it for themselves.

If they read this forum, they for sure have been recognized themselves by now or how many major UK bookies there are around

So if anyone is not aware about name, it's not taking very long time to find out with instructions posted here. I can wait until somebody post it, not in hurry anywhere.

 

[colinsunderland]

Really whats the point of this thread then ?
And who is gathering evidence and alerting UKGC ?
And if you dont wont casino owners reading this take it privat and then come out once the evidence have been submitted

The point of the thread was to highlight Vavada.com and their RTP. If it wasn't for this thread I wouldn't have found out how to tell the RTP, so am thankful for that.
I am gathering evidence and talking to the UKGC.
They haven't read this thread yet (while logged in at least), and would suggest they are unlikely to while the name isn't published. There is a massive difference to chatting about stuff and specifically accusing someone of this. If you ever uncover wrongdoing like this and don't care if you get a court summons for your libelous actions, then feel free to name them before you compile all the evidence. As for not posting, if I hadn't I wouldn't have found the evidence needed. I've been sitting on this for around 4 weeks now, so it is only due to the thread being started that I found out how to get the evidence required for the UKGC.

 

[Nik]

The point of the thread was to highlight Vavada.com and their RTP. If it wasn't for this thread I wouldn't have found out how to tell the RTP, so am thankful for that.
I am gathering evidence and talking to the UKGC.
They haven't read this thread yet (while logged in at least), and would suggest they are unlikely to while the name isn't published. There is a massive difference to chatting about stuff and specifically accusing someone of this. If you ever uncover wrongdoing like this and don't care if you get a court summons for your libelous actions, then feel free to name them before you compile all the evidence. As for not posting, if I hadn't I wouldn't have found the evidence needed. I've been sitting on this for around 4 weeks now, so it is only due to the thread being started that I found out how to get the evidence required for the UKGC.

I have recorded the whole thing - from starting the recording program , loading up Chrome (done it with 3 different browsers) , went to the casino in question, logged in , loaded the game , followed the simple steps and if that is not enough evidence , im not sure what else could be done really ....

 

[colinsunderland]

I have recorded the whole thing - from starting the recording program , loading up Chrome (done it with 3 different browsers) , went to the casino in question, logged in , loaded the game , followed the simple steps and if that is not enough evidence , im not sure what else could be done really ....

Do you have confirmation from PlaynGo that the value displayed in the file below corresponds to the actual RTP of the game?

d=104 1
54 9 1 2 3 4 5 10 20 50 100 1
57 "<custom><RTP Value=\"94\" /></custom>"
52 0 0 0
83 0
91 124195101
109

and therein lies the problem.

I am confident it does, and hope to have it confirmed shortly, even if its verbally & off the record, that will be enough for me. However, while theres a tiny chance it doesn't, that could be grounds to sue, if I am wrong.

 

[Nik]

Do you have confirmation from PlaynGo that the value displayed in the file below corresponds to the actual RTP of the game?

d=104 1
54 9 1 2 3 4 5 10 20 50 100 1
57 "<custom><RTP Value=\"94\" /></custom>"
52 0 0 0
83 0
91 124195101
109

and therein lies the problem.

I am confident it does, and hope to have it confirmed shortly, even if its verbally & off the record, that will be enough for me. However, while theres a tiny chance it doesn't, that could be grounds to sue, if I am wrong.

As far as im concerned Colin- they are all live statistics, but ive got your point.

Same statistics showing 96% RTP i got confirmed with other casinos via live chat .

 

[colinsunderland]

As far as im concerned Colin- they are all live statistics, but ive got your point.

Same statistics showing 96% RTP i got confirmed with other casinos via live chat .

I am certain they do point to the correct RTP, however the casino concerned has extremely deep pockets and I don't want to be on the end of a libel claim against them
Obviously it is only libelous if any statement made is untrue, and as much as I'm 99.9% certain of what I'm saying, I would prefer to be 100% certain lol.

 

[Nik]

I’m with you on that one 100%. It can get tricky .
I’m trying to get my cousin’s opinion who’s a programming engineer and is very clued up when it comes to this sort of things as well ...

 

[nikantw]

N1 is good to go

 

[nikantw]

Anyone found where to look for Red Tiger and Pragmatic?

 

[Slottery]

Not really need for any programming knowledge but just to someone with access to PnG to confirm how these are handled.

 

[Nik]

Not really need for any programming knowledge but just to someone with access to PnG to confirm how these are handled.

I doubt it someone from PNG will put his c*ck on the block by confirming such a thing officially ....

 

[Slottery]

I doubt it someone from PNG will put his c*ck on the block by confirming such a thing officially ....

It's pretty much mission impossible to say something about it 100% sure is you don't have access system. Many for sure see and understand exactly what's happening there but how it's actually handled and hosted is something you can't confirm from seeing that source.

e: Like Colin said, there's no need for official statement from PnG.

 

[Nik]

It's pretty much mission impossible to say something about it 100% sure is you don't have access system. Many for sure see and understand exactly what's happening there but how it's actually handled and hosted is something you can't confirm from seeing that source.

e: Like Colin said, there's no need for official statement from PnG.

Sooner or later they will need to be an official response - trust me .

 

[Slottery]

Sooner or later they will need to be an official response - trust me .

PnG don't need to provide public statements how their architect is maintained, it's pretty much operator who have to explain if they are not doing something like they should.

 

[Nik]

PnG don't need to provide public statements how their architect is maintained, it's pretty much operator who have to explain if they are not doing something like they should.

spot on mate - that’s exactly what I meant....

 

[Guntis]

I'm not for 100% sure if it's true, but just now heard some info in the Russian gambling community — many reckon that Play'N Go has set 96% RTP in all casinos...

By checking through the Network and XHR, does anyone see any other RTP than 96 in the casinos you play at?

 

[Slottery]

PnG haven't stop offering other RTP:s than 96%.