Shock! Casino owners may change RTP in Play N'GO slots!

[lockinlove]

i feel slotsmillion are doing that, their playngo returns are a nightmare lol

 

[Mr_Slot5]

What casino?

I'd like to know too because I have a suspicion.

Pretty certain it'll be one of 2 that I have in mind.

 

[Playford7]

I'd like to know too because I have a suspicion.

What’s yours? Lol

 

[goatwack]

All japes aside BoD has been rough for months now pretty much everywhere. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if some subterfuge was afoot

 

[Mr_Slot5]

All japes aside BoD has been rough for months now pretty much everywhere. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if some subterfuge was afoot

The thing is, with a game like book of dead, it's so basic in its gameplay that after putting millions of spins through it over the years, you can feel the difference in play.

I play at one site where the help files shows 96% but it plays tighter than the 94% versions I play elsewhere.

I'm not dropping casino names though as I have no empirical proof except for my own perceptions and experiences.

 

[Playford7]

i feel slotsmillion are doing that, their playngo returns are a nightmare lol

Harry said that was trumps fault.

 

[Playford7]

The thing is, with a game like book of dead, it's so basic in its gameplay that after putting millions of spins through it over the years, you can feel the difference in play.

I play at one site where the help files shows 96% but it plays tighter than the 94% versions I play elsewhere.

I'm not dropping casino names though as I have no empirical proof except for my own perceptions and experiences.

Don’t worry about that. They been happy enough for years to abide by wild Wild West rules, repay them the same dignity mate

 

[lockinlove]

Don’t worry about that. They been happy enough for years to abide by wild Wild West rules, repay them the same dignity mate

i think slotsmillion and unibet playngo..both play horrendous for me time after time no matter what

 

[TheAddict]

Rarely play on ten lines on BOD, more so on 1 line usually if i play it,but thought I'd give it a go just now . In less than 500 spins, i got 8 sets of free spins.

J J J Q J J Q Q

Two retriggered, none gave a full screen. When the final one dropped, I decided to change my approach and politely ask for the J, rather than telling it to F*** off considering giving it me again.



Though I guess for those being mugged off on the 84%, having the above for a lil session is nothing but a dream.

Lick em, PnG.

 

[colinsunderland]

Rarely play on ten lines on BOD, more so on 1 line usually if i play it,but thought I'd give it a go just now . In less than 500 spins, i got 8 sets of free spins.

J J J Q J J Q Q

Two retriggered, none gave a full screen. When the final one dropped, I decided to change my approach and politely ask for the J, rather than telling it to F*** off considering giving it me again.



Though I guess for those being mugged off on the 84%, having the above for a lil session is nothing but a dream.

Lick em, PnG.

I do that quite a lot too, haven't played loads today, but have had 6 sets of free spins, all 6 were 10's.

 

[pyst777]

Would love to try the 84%, given it’s so easy to win on PNG, and I like a challenge.

Really? What's the secret. lol

 

[dionysus]

Really? What's the secret. lol

spin and cross your fingers

 

[Nate]

Looks like a few places at Direx NV advertise it as 96.21% and run it at 94%... Hmmm

Nate

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Looks like a few places at Direx NV advertise it as 96.21% and run it at 94%... Hmmm

Nate

How is it possible to tell though? I know back in the day on RTG slots you could identify the lower RTP variants from the reel strips, (a lower paying symbol replacing a higher paying symbol, for example), but I can't imagine there are any obvious 'tells' like that on the opaque maths models modern slots run on.

 

[Nate]

How is it possible to tell though? I know back in the day on RTG slots you could identify the lower RTP variants from the reel strips, (a lower paying symbol replacing a higher paying symbol, for example), but I can't imagine there are any obvious 'tells' like that on the opaque maths models modern slots run on.

I suppose you are reliant on the help file - I checked some of the Maltese based casinos and those who say the RTP is 96% are true to their word. The source file in the google 'inspect element' also states the RTP is 96.

With other regulatory environments - I.e Curacao - They are not obligated to state the RTP in the help file. They do however state the RTP as 96.21% in game reviews or images but they are actually running it at 94%...

Nate

 

[asghan]

@Nate did you use the same method as OP? I tried it but there wasn't any records starting with comfly, there were some other records with .playngonetwork but they were all empty.

 

[colinsunderland]

@Nate did you use the same method as OP? I tried it but there wasn't any records starting with comfly, there were some other records with .playngonetwork but they were all empty.

yes when I was checking one, I got the same, the file that should show the RTP was just d=

 

[Nate]

@Nate did you use the same method as OP? I tried it but there wasn't any records starting with comfly, there were some other records with .playngonetwork but they were all empty.

Yeah same method.

Load the game - have the inspect element open, then refresh the game. You will see the files loading. There are multiple *.playngonetwork files - some are blank, check the others, you will eventually find the one with the RTP setting.

It seems SoftSwiss runs a default 94% across the network - haven't seen lower or higher.

Nate

 

[asghan]

Worked with refreshing, thanks Nate, and OP of course

Finally method to check RTP when help file doesn't state it.

So direxes run at 94 as many suspected, I was right to avoid png there.

 

[colinsunderland]

found it, well looks like a very large casino group in the UK are going to be getting a call from the UKGC as now have the proof they are running at a lower RTP than they are advertising. Sneaky fuckers.

 

[slot_zombie]

found it, well looks like a very large casino group in the UK are going to be getting a call from the UKGC as now have the proof they are running at a lower RTP than they are advertising. Sneaky fuckers.

Please tell?

 

[Harry_BKK]

found it, well looks like a very large casino group in the UK are going to be getting a call from the UKGC as now have the proof they are running at a lower RTP than they are advertising. Sneaky fuckers.

TBF, this reaches nearly the "RTG shady" level of over a decade ago where operators could switch willy-nilly between RTP settings.

Rather disappointed that Play'n GO would offer such means to operators. I always thought under UKGC and MGA licenses RTPs are controlled by the provider, or even have to be. Not really sure, maybe @trancemonkey can confirm.

Either way, this will rock the trustworthiness this industry so heavily relies on if this turns out to be as it looks right now and it blows out into the open.

Or they will try to convince us again of a "Vulkanbet is not Vulkanbet" tale.

 

[Slottery]

found it, well looks like a very large casino group in the UK are going to be getting a call from the UKGC as now have the proof they are running at a lower RTP than they are advertising. Sneaky fuckers.

Just to be curious without casino name, were they displaying different help file inside a game or was it some other content in their site where incorrect RTP was promoted?

If somebody would have loads of free time, there probably would find several places where RTP in some content is not same than actual one, especially if taking account affiliates etc... Can be quite tricky try to remember where everywhere something what change is mentioned. If it's some old article, then there could be way for casino to get around it by referring that at the time information was correct and right one is always in help file but if done with purpose false information, then can't see much to defend, if greediness or stupidity are not yet valid reasons.

 

[colinsunderland]

TBF, this reaches nearly the "RTG shady" level of over a decade ago where operators could switch willy-nilly between RTP settings.

Rather disappointed that Play'n GO would offer such means to operators. I always thought under UKGC and MGA licenses RTPs are controlled by the provider, or even have to be. Not really sure, maybe @trancemonkey can confirm.

Either way, this will rock the trustworthiness this industry so heavily relies on if this turns out to be as it looks right now and it blows out into the open.

Or they will try to convince us again of a "Vulkanbet is not Vulkanbet" tale.

It is as it seems. I need to speak to the ukgc first but will post the 100% irrefutable proof as soon as I can

 

[colinsunderland]

It's inside the game