Shock! Casino owners may change RTP in Play N'GO slots!

Moonlight Cat

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Hello, Yesterday we have big scandal on Russian / CIS market! Online Casino Vavada.com (Yes, yes they stolen name from Bovada.lv) change RTP in Book of Dead slots. From officialy RTP 96% to RTP 84% (that mean minus - 16 -EV).

As players wrote on Russian forum this slots give + 70% of all turnover on this casino, and + 70% turnover on all Play N'GO slots, because "Book of Dead" is the most popular slots in Play N'GO network.

The problem for Vavada and Play'N GO that players may check Play N'GO RTP slots via Google Chrome.

And results is absolutely shoking. This slot have different RTP in different casinos. In some casinos 96%, in some 94%. Most shoking results was in Vavada.com Casino - 84% (Officialy they declared 96%). Today Vovada return RTP to 96% and make statment that they will pay compensation for players.

But from my point of view "Change RTP option" is absolutely infair. Play'N GO must remove it ASAP! This is the same as fake software, where casinos owners may change RTP.

And now this was happens in Vovada.com 84% RTP. This is the same as you make bet on red/black on Roulette that contain 7 (!) zeros.
 

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How you may check RTP in Play'N GO slots?

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=2= Right click mouse button > last row in menu (something like "see code" in English, sorry i i have only Russian menu".





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Today, after scandal Vavada return RTP to 96%. Yesterday and before it was RTP=84%. Bravo Play N'Go!

 

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Hello, Yesterday we have big scandal on Russian / CIS market! Online Casino Vavada.com (Yes, yes they stolen name from Bovada.lv) change RTP in Book of Dead slots. From officialy RTP 96% to RTP 84% (that mean minus - 16 -EV).

As players wrote on Russian forum this slots give + 70% of all turnover on this casino, and + 70% turnover on all Play N'GO slots, because "Book of Dead" is the most popular slots in Play N'GO network.

The problem for Vavada and Play'N GO that players may check Play N'GO RTP slots via Google Chrome.

And results is absolutely shoking. This slot have different RTP in different casinos. In some casinos 96%, in some 94%. Most shoking results was in Vavada.com Casino - 84% (Officialy they declared 96%). Today Vovada return RTP to 96% and make statment that they will pay compensation for players.

But from my point of view "Change RTP option" is absolutely infair. Play'N GO must remove it ASAP! This is the same as fake software, where casinos owners may change RTP.

And now this was happens in Vovada.com 84% RTP. This is the same as you make bet on red/black on Roulette that contain 7 (!) zeros.
There was a thread about PlaynGo rtp on here a couple of years ago. Same rtp options goes for Pragmatic and Red Tiger.
 

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Welcome to CM and thanks for the detailed screenshots.

Shocking - yes. Illegal - not totally.

Play'n GO offers all slots with 6 RTP settings.

MGA Malta requires minimum 92%
UKGC requires minimum 90%
Everyone else - Wild Wild West. Whatever operators want to offer their players or maybe better said, by how much they want to fleece them.

Here the official excerpt from Play'n GO

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The fact P 'N Go actually release their games with maths models as low as 84% really makes me think about questioning their integrity overall, it's seriously dirty to make a random game with such a massive house edge, they genuinely have no business even existing.

At the end of the day it's just a help file, what safeguards are in place to make sure casinos don't say they're running a higher maths model variant, but are actually running one of the shit ones?

It'd be more honest if they simply turned up at your house and robbed you at gunpoint.
 

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The fact P 'N Go actually release their games with maths models as low as 84% really makes me think about questioning their integrity overall, it's seriously dirty to make a random game with such a massive house edge, they genuinely have no business even existing.

At the end of the day it's just a help file, what safeguards are in place to make sure casinos don't say they're running a higher maths model variant, but are actually running one of the shit ones?

It'd be more honest if they simply turned up at your house and robbed you at gunpoint.
I'm fairly sure a UK casino is currently doing that!
 

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Name and shame.
I don't want to do that until I get proof, which is proving rather difficult, as theres no way I can see, apart from the help file, to tell. I am confident I'm right though, it isn't one of the main casinos on here who have an active rep though. It is, however, one of the largest UK operators.
 

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I don't want to do that until I get proof, which is proving rather difficult, as theres no way I can see, apart from the help file, to tell. I am confident I'm right though, it isn't one of the main casinos on here who have an active rep though. It is, however, one of the largest UK operators.
Did you try what the OP pointed out? Check the code and see what it says? That is assuming they can't manipulate that too tho.
 

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I don't want to do that until I get proof, which is proving rather difficult, as theres no way I can see, apart from the help file, to tell. I am confident I'm right though, it isn't one of the main casinos on here who have an active rep though. It is, however, one of the largest UK operators.
Hope they get audited and busted and fined big if that is happening.

Edit: might remember something where some operator RTP changed down and up or something in quite short time.
 
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This is the problem with P 'N Go slots, the help file isn't directly integrated into the game itself, and looking at Moonlight Cat's posts casinos can simply call a different help file from elsewhere (i.e. the 96% help file) whilst actually running one of the lower RTP variants, all the way down to a diabolical 84%.

On (for example) Blureprint's slots, the RTP is listed on the main game screens or help screens, i.e. it's an integral part of the game itself, rather than being 'summoned' from elsewhere.

If there's anything you can say to me privately about this @colinsunderland feel free to do so, I'm not adverse to calling out shady shit on my YouTube channel where it's been positively identified.
 

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This is the problem with P 'N Go slots, the help file isn't directly integrated into the game itself, and looking at Moonlight Cat's posts casinos can simply call a different help file from elsewhere (i.e. the 96% help file) whilst actually running one of the lower RTP variants, all the way down to a diabolical 84%.

On (for example) Blureprint's slots, the RTP is listed on the main game screens or help screens, i.e. it's an integral part of the game itself, rather than being 'summoned' from elsewhere.

If there's anything you can say to me privately about this @colinsunderland feel free to do so, I'm not adverse to calling out shady shit on my YouTube channel where it's been positively identified.
Problem is if 1 provider pulls this shady stuff slotters aren't going to believe providers like Blueprint who have the RTP on the opening screen of their slots or BTG who only have 1 RTP setting, even if there is nothing shady going on with them.
 

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Problem is if 1 provider pulls this shady stuff slotters aren't going to believe providers like Blueprint who have the RTP on the opening screen of their slots or BTG who only have 1 RTP setting, even if there is nothing shady going on with them.
Would you like time to edit that?
 

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Running games with lower RTP than advised for players would be big risk for any operator under even half-decent license. They need to be able to show which version of game have been online and when etc... Would assume UKGC wouldn't really like that and that fraud could be brought to court and there's not much casino can defend themselves if getting busted.

Not really sound great long term plan for me and hopefully not gonna be and they get busted. Some big fckup accidentally could happen where when changing games/information but that's also expensive mistake.
 

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Hello, Yesterday we have big scandal on Russian / CIS market! Online Casino Vavada.com (Yes, yes they stolen name from Bovada.lv) change RTP in Book of Dead slots. From officialy RTP 96% to RTP 84% (that mean minus - 16 -EV).

As players wrote on Russian forum this slots give + 70% of all turnover on this casino, and + 70% turnover on all Play N'GO slots, because "Book of Dead" is the most popular slots in Play N'GO network.

The problem for Vavada and Play'N GO that players may check Play N'GO RTP slots via Google Chrome.

And results is absolutely shoking. This slot have different RTP in different casinos. In some casinos 96%, in some 94%. Most shoking results was in Vavada.com Casino - 84% (Officialy they declared 96%). Today Vovada return RTP to 96% and make statment that they will pay compensation for players.

But from my point of view "Change RTP option" is absolutely infair. Play'N GO must remove it ASAP! This is the same as fake software, where casinos owners may change RTP.

And now this was happens in Vovada.com 84% RTP. This is the same as you make bet on red/black on Roulette that contain 7 (!) zeros.
Hi Moonlight Cat, thanks for the detailed posts.

Can I just check with you, were Vavada able to show a 96% help file for their slots whilst running the 84% version?

What I'm really interested in here is if it's possible for a casino to call a fake help file that shows a high RTP version of the game is being run, whilst actually running a lower RTP version of the game.

Thanks! :)
 

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