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Shock! Casino owners may change RTP in Play N'GO slots!

ChopleyIOM said:
The more eyes on this the better, has everyone found that the help file RTP matches the RTP shown in the network stack trace?

This is significant because the more evidence we have that those two numbers match, the more we can be sure that a major UK facing casino is advertising the slot at a higher RTP than they're running it at.

So as disgraceful as 87% RTP is, if it matches the stated help file RTP, then that's 'good', if you see what I mean.
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Took me a few tries to find exactly what i was looking for. Im not ashamed to say an idiots guide would have been useful for me.

Now i know ill be checking for sure.

FAZI1 said:
Suprise - when im make new test few h ago then results was different - 96% So all this dirty poor quality casinos know already players found way to find informations abaout rtp% model they use - So now they quicly switched from 84% - to 96% same like vavada casino.
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If this is the reason its changed then its clearly an admission of guilt. Hopefully enough evidence has been gathered.
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
Because you can't go around accusing businesses of fraud unless you have irrefutable evidence.

Otherwise you could be taken to court yourself.
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Yes, this. Plus the fact they read this forum, and you don't want them suddenly changing the help files before the evidence has been gathered and the ukgc seen it for themselves.
 
colinsunderland said:
Yes, this. Plus the fact they read this forum, and you don't want them suddenly changing the help files before the evidence has been gathered and the ukgc seen it for themselves.
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Really whats the point of this thread then ?
And who is gathering evidence and alerting UKGC ?
And if you dont wont casino owners reading this take it privat and then come out once the evidence have been submitted
 
The Viking said:
Really whats the point of this thread then ?
And who is gathering evidence and alerting UKGC ?
And if you dont wont casino owners reading this take it privat and then come out once the evidence have been submitted
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If he names them at this stage its potentially slanderous activity so he is following the correct protocol here.
 
colinsunderland said:
Yes, this. Plus the fact they read this forum, and you don't want them suddenly changing the help files before the evidence has been gathered and the ukgc seen it for themselves.
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If they read this forum, they for sure have been recognized themselves by now or how many major UK bookies there are around :)

So if anyone is not aware about name, it's not taking very long time to find out with instructions posted here. I can wait until somebody post it, not in hurry anywhere.
 
The Viking said:
Really whats the point of this thread then ?
And who is gathering evidence and alerting UKGC ?
And if you dont wont casino owners reading this take it privat and then come out once the evidence have been submitted
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The point of the thread was to highlight Vavada.com and their RTP. If it wasn't for this thread I wouldn't have found out how to tell the RTP, so am thankful for that.
I am gathering evidence and talking to the UKGC.
They haven't read this thread yet (while logged in at least), and would suggest they are unlikely to while the name isn't published. There is a massive difference to chatting about stuff and specifically accusing someone of this. If you ever uncover wrongdoing like this and don't care if you get a court summons for your libelous actions, then feel free to name them before you compile all the evidence. As for not posting, if I hadn't I wouldn't have found the evidence needed. I've been sitting on this for around 4 weeks now, so it is only due to the thread being started that I found out how to get the evidence required for the UKGC.
 
colinsunderland said:
The point of the thread was to highlight Vavada.com and their RTP. If it wasn't for this thread I wouldn't have found out how to tell the RTP, so am thankful for that.
I am gathering evidence and talking to the UKGC.
They haven't read this thread yet (while logged in at least), and would suggest they are unlikely to while the name isn't published. There is a massive difference to chatting about stuff and specifically accusing someone of this. If you ever uncover wrongdoing like this and don't care if you get a court summons for your libelous actions, then feel free to name them before you compile all the evidence. As for not posting, if I hadn't I wouldn't have found the evidence needed. I've been sitting on this for around 4 weeks now, so it is only due to the thread being started that I found out how to get the evidence required for the UKGC.
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I have recorded the whole thing - from starting the recording program , loading up Chrome (done it with 3 different browsers) , went to the casino in question, logged in , loaded the game , followed the simple steps and if that is not enough evidence , im not sure what else could be done really ....
 
Nik said:
I have recorded the whole thing - from starting the recording program , loading up Chrome (done it with 3 different browsers) , went to the casino in question, logged in , loaded the game , followed the simple steps and if that is not enough evidence , im not sure what else could be done really ....
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Do you have confirmation from PlaynGo that the value displayed in the file below corresponds to the actual RTP of the game?

d=104 1
54 9 1 2 3 4 5 10 20 50 100 1
57 "<custom><RTP Value=\"94\" /></custom>"
52 0 0 0
83 0
91 124195101
109

and therein lies the problem.

I am confident it does, and hope to have it confirmed shortly, even if its verbally & off the record, that will be enough for me. However, while theres a tiny chance it doesn't, that could be grounds to sue, if I am wrong.
 
colinsunderland said:
Do you have confirmation from PlaynGo that the value displayed in the file below corresponds to the actual RTP of the game?

d=104 1
54 9 1 2 3 4 5 10 20 50 100 1
57 "<custom><RTP Value=\"94\" /></custom>"
52 0 0 0
83 0
91 124195101
109

and therein lies the problem.

I am confident it does, and hope to have it confirmed shortly, even if its verbally & off the record, that will be enough for me. However, while theres a tiny chance it doesn't, that could be grounds to sue, if I am wrong.
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As far as im concerned Colin- they are all live statistics, but ive got your point.

Same statistics showing 96% RTP i got confirmed with other casinos via live chat .
 
Nik said:
As far as im concerned Colin- they are all live statistics, but ive got your point.

Same statistics showing 96% RTP i got confirmed with other casinos via live chat .
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I am certain they do point to the correct RTP, however the casino concerned has extremely deep pockets and I don't want to be on the end of a libel claim against them :D
Obviously it is only libelous if any statement made is untrue, and as much as I'm 99.9% certain of what I'm saying, I would prefer to be 100% certain lol.
 
N1 is good to go :)

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Slottery said:
Not really need for any programming knowledge but just to someone with access to PnG to confirm how these are handled.
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I doubt it someone from PNG will put his c*ck on the block by confirming such a thing officially ....:thumbsup:
 
Nik said:
I doubt it someone from PNG will put his c*ck on the block by confirming such a thing officially ....:thumbsup:
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It's pretty much mission impossible to say something about it 100% sure is you don't have access system. Many for sure see and understand exactly what's happening there but how it's actually handled and hosted is something you can't confirm from seeing that source.

e: Like Colin said, there's no need for official statement from PnG.
 
Slottery said:
It's pretty much mission impossible to say something about it 100% sure is you don't have access system. Many for sure see and understand exactly what's happening there but how it's actually handled and hosted is something you can't confirm from seeing that source.

e: Like Colin said, there's no need for official statement from PnG.
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Sooner or later they will need to be an official response - trust me .
 
Slottery said:
PnG don't need to provide public statements how their architect is maintained, it's pretty much operator who have to explain if they are not doing something like they should.
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spot on mate - that’s exactly what I meant....
 
I dont get the confusion on why the rtp is clearly visable on the fetch request - so what - it doesn’t change the fairness of the games and probably makes it marginally easier to decode /identify for the developer. Not everything needs to be cloak and daggers if its running on a fair rng.
 
colinsunderland said:
Do you have confirmation from PlaynGo that the value displayed in the file below corresponds to the actual RTP of the game?

d=104 1
54 9 1 2 3 4 5 10 20 50 100 1
57 "<custom><RTP Value=\"94\" /></custom>"
52 0 0 0
83 0
91 124195101
109

and therein lies the problem.

I am confident it does, and hope to have it confirmed shortly, even if its verbally & off the record, that will be enough for me. However, while theres a tiny chance it doesn't, that could be grounds to sue, if I am wrong.
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I can check with a Play'n GO Rep if that helps. Let me know.
 
Reply to both questions i can confirm RTP is the worst in russian curacao casinos!
Just because i play a lot and do in 3 casinos like 50 deposits or more in 2019 and cashout just 3 or 5 times little cash like 200eur :D
I never get balance like 2K for 2019 i get only once hot run like 1.2K cashout and after...
Whatever you take a break or not each deposit is just impossible to be up.
I lost 6 times 500eur raw deposits for a week not a single day!
I never see cold slots like this to do around 400spins and not get any scatter or if i get bonus is 10-20 or 40x max.
I see real time wins in those casinos 95% are just 20x or 40x :D sometimes someone hit 300x and losing it for next 30min. :D
This is not good RTP, this is HIGH volatile slots with LOW RTP!

Thant is my experience if someone not believe can try :) i can tell you all casinos they are like 10 or more!

If they don't know what is RTP why need to say it's high 97% RTP and also they recommends me weird slots and say they are hot :D
Also we can see they put hot badge on the worst RTP slots, this is not marketing, entartaiment or business this is scam!
 
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ChopleyIOM said:
Ahhh, Everum don't list the RTP at all, now we know why :rolleyes:

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Everum is the worst russian casino for me :D i am happy wagering like crazy 5 hours 2K wager just because games wagering so bad and cashout 500eur after week i finally get money just because they told me they having problem with card cashouts and i need to withdraw via bank transfer.... after that i am happy to delete my account!
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
No idea then. None of that data is showing for me.
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For corect test you need be quick - immidiatly after you open slot click - if you do this to slow then results will be always - d .

If you got results - d thats means you do it too slowly and you need close game open again and make this faster. - There you have example how correct make test :



By the way Playngo in their official site have same not correct informations abaout rtp in their games.
They show under every game rtp - 96% - so this is basicly fake information when true is their games have rtp From 84% up to 96% - then same correct informations shoud be show - not just 96%

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If studio offered some ridicolus low RTP% set ups for their games like 84% or 87% - then what is the point to show in their official site in sections RTP - 96% under every slots if correct version is not 96% but from 84% up to 96%.
 
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Harry_BKK said:
I can check with a Play'n GO Rep if that helps. Let me know.
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That would be handy Harry. Following extensive testing I'm 99.99% sure that the value shown in the network trace is the slot's running RTP, but it'd be nice to get confirmation on it before going live with any public videos or suchlike.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
That would be handy Harry. Following extensive testing I'm 99.99% sure that the value shown in the network trace is the slot's running RTP, but it'd be nice to get confirmation on it before going live with any public videos or suchlike.
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Already done, will be interesting to see whether he will send me an answer. He's usually pretty quick with other stuff. :D
 
Harry_BKK said:
Already done, will be interesting to see whether he will send me an answer. He's usually pretty quick with other stuff. :D
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Well in many regards it shouldn't be 'secret' information, it's not exactly highly confidential that PNG run loads of different maths models (although the fact the lowest three even exist is a disgrace IMO, the 91 at the outside edge of acceptability maybe, but 87 and 84 are daylight robbery), so having it communicated to the client (albeit buried away) as part of a game session doesn't seem too bizarre.
 
Getting confirmation from PnG would be excellant. However, the evidence is pretty conclusive.

With the information gathered there are evident differences in the versions being played at different casinos. The evident difference is in the programming line which reads:

<custom><RTP Value=\"96"\"

Another version, as shown in screenshots would be:

<custom><RTP Value=\"84"\"

Sorry if it seems like im stating the obvious but what other possible explanation could there be for this source code from the PnG server.

Its a different RTP version. No other possible explanation.
 

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