RTG's Caribbean 21 lie

[cipher]

I can't agree here. The casino stopped paying Pirate BEFORE he said these things. so what rule did he break before then? and saying you broke a rule is not the same as actually breaking one. If I admit to killing someone, but I did not actually do it, I would not be charged with anything (except possibly lying, if that is an offense). Hamptons rules do not say, "player's winnings will be void if he lies."

it is obvious what happened here - Hamptons paid Pirate for awhile to make it look like they intended to pay it all out, but would stop when:

1) Pirate lost the money back (this I think was their main hope, considering their absurd "additional" wagering requirements), but I don't think Pirate was playing any more. or,

2) they could think of some other way out. I really can't say, but I still have my doubts hamptons could handle this debt. I never even heard of them until this.

Strangely enough I started playing on line when the Casinomeiter first came on line (about 6 years ago) and I never heard anything PRO or CON about Hampton or Delano Casino until this issue came up either. Have a good one.

Cipher

 

[dominique]

Strangely enough I started playing on line when the Casinomeiter first came on line (about 6 years ago) and I never heard anything PRO or CON about Hampton or Delano Casino until this issue came up either. Have a good one.

Cipher

Actually, I have had good feedback about Hampton. Never heard anything bad until now. I had heard something negative about Delano (don't remember details now) and decided not to promote them in the first place, so never heard any more.

However that all may be, I am wondering about something different.

Pirate said he played at a number of other RTG casinos before, and also won.

Does anyone know which ones of these paid and which did not?

Just a point of interest to me.

 

[gamblinboi]

Actually, I have had good feedback about Hampton. Never heard anything bad until now. I had heard something negative about Delano (don't remember details now) and decided not to promote them in the first place, so never heard any more.

However that all may be, I am wondering about something different.

Pirate said he played at a number of other RTG casinos before, and also won.

Does anyone know which ones of these paid and which did not?

Just a point of interest to me.

Dominique, one we know for sure where he was paid was Phoenician. They saw no problem with his play, dont think he used a bot, made basic strategy errors, and welcome him to come back.

 

[jetset]

"The casino stopped paying Pirate BEFORE he said these things. so what rule did he break before then?"

Bryan, any way you could check this - did the payments stop before the telephone calls?

It does raise an important point. Did they stop paying Pirate at the same time as the Caribbean 21 game was pulled, for example, and was that after the telephone calls or before?

 

[jinnia]

If RTG claims: (off Real Time gaming Site)

~~Comprehensive Live Statistics All data is provided in real-time so operators can monitor operations and react to events as they happen. Operators can track affiliate stats, player activity, credit scoring, and key performance indicators easily and accurately. With our sophisticated reporting tools, operators can make quick decisions and implement growth strategies on the fly -a very real edge over the competition.~~

Then why did they continue to allow this player to keep playing, if they can monitor operations as thy happen. Surely the play in question would have thrown up a flag on his account at time of playing IF it was not a normal play.

 

[jinnia]

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[dominique]

Dominique, one we know for sure where he was paid was Phoenician. They saw no problem with his play, dont think he used a bot, made basic strategy errors, and welcome him to come back.

Thanks, gamblinboi. Good for them. This is one casino I will start promoting.

Any others who paid?

 

[jetset]

"The casino stopped paying Pirate BEFORE he said these things. so what rule did he break before then?"

Bryan, any way you could check this - did the payments stop before the telephone calls?

It does raise an important point. Did they stop paying Pirate at the same time as the Caribbean 21 game was pulled, for example, and was that after the telephone calls or before?

 

[Casinomeister]

Bryan, any way you could check this - did the payments stop before the telephone calls?

The game was yanked on the 4th of January, about the same time all of the "Pirate's" acounts were locked up at ALL casinos. It wasn't until we were at the ICE that the phone conversation took place (I think it was a Tuesday), where Hampton's stated that they had investigated the Pirate's play, and that he was using a robot.

We still have a stalemate by the way. Nobody has moved either way. I'm awaiting word from Delanos to see whether or not they are planning to pay the "Pirate". If they have a reason not to, it should be an interesting one.

 

[jetset]

Thanks - more ammunition for the player, I would say.

You're right - Delanos needs to pay its dues and extricate itself from this mess before it too becomes the subject of almost universal player revulsion.

 

[portia]

What are all the casinos / businesses connected to the owners of Delano's , Hamptons/Portofino?

Delano's may be the worst offender here. What is known about them?

 

[portia]

What are all the casinos / businesses connected to the owners of Delano's , Hamptons/Portofino?

Delano's may be the worst offender here. What is known about them?

Someday perhaps one of these anonymous casino con artists are going to rip off the wrong player.

 

[cipher]

What are all the casinos / businesses connected to the owners of Delano's , Hamptons/Portofino?

Delano's may be the worst offender here. What is known about them?

What's critical to know about DELANO CASINO and CRISTIE the manager is that both CRISTIE and DELANO have been given every opportunity to take the high road on this issue and they (heretofore) have made the conscious decision not to.

Formal demand letters have been sent to DELANO CASINO in care of the DELANO CASINO MANAGER CRISTIE twice within the last five days and she has made the concious and probably calculated decision not to reply in any shape manner or form.

Cipher

 

[aceinhole21]

What's critical to know about DELANO CASINO and CRISTIE the manager is that both CRISTIE and DELANO have been given every opportunity to take the high road on this issue and they (heretofore) have made the conscious decision not to.

Formal demand letters have been sent to DELANO CASINO in care of the DELANO CASINO MANAGER CRISTIE twice within the last five days and she has made the concious and probably calculated decision not to reply in any shape manner or form.

Cipher

Cipher, forgive me, being the new guy and all, but it seems you are pulling a Pirate. Try to keep a lid on these things for the time being, for Pirate's sake. Hampton got themselves into a position where they CANT pay Pirate now (it would be an admission that they were full of crap), in part due to all the gossip and stuff on these boards. so report back in 2 more weeks after it is settled whether this has been resolved with them or not.

 

[cipher]

Cipher, forgive me, being the new guy and all, but it seems you are pulling a Pirate. Try to keep a lid on these things for the time being, for Pirate's sake. Hampton got themselves into a position where they CANT pay Pirate now (it would be an admission that they were full of crap), in part due to all the gossip and stuff on these boards. so report back in 2 more weeks after it is settled whether this has been resolved with them or not.

I appreciate your genuine insight as well as your well meaning concern.

The fact of the matter is this. For nearly two weeks now there's been some pretty exhaustive efforts put forth by legal counsel, investigators and some very knowledgeable individuals incident to the incident gaming industry.

Lastly, It should suffice to say that this Forum and others like it, are in fact the Courts of Public Opinion and from this point on we intend to bring the full light of day to any and all issues involved in this debacle.

Cipher

 

[dominique]

Ok, I went back over everything (boy, what a thread!) and pulled out the info I was looking for. I thought I may share it. It's a task to wade through all that info.

Breakaway paid $40,000.
Phoenician paid $20,000.
Prism paid $30,000.
Virtual paid $30,000.
Delano paid $14,000 and then stopped payment on either $70,000 or $96,000, I don't know which, both figures are floating around out there.

Supposedly there are unknown amounts not being paid by unnamed RTG casinos.

There are accounts with money in them that have been frozen by various RTG casinos.

Then of course, there is the small matter of 1.3 million with Hampton.

 

[aceinhole21]

Ok, I went back over everything (boy, what a thread!) and pulled out the info I was looking for. I thought I may share it. It's a task to wade through all that info.

Breakaway paid $40,000.
Phoenician paid $20,000.
Prism paid $30,000.
Virtual paid $30,000.
Delano paid $14,000 and then stopped payment on either $70,000 or $96,000, I don't know which, both figures are floating around out there.

Supposedly there are unknown amounts not being paid by unnamed RTG casinos.

There are accounts with money in them that have been frozen by various RTG casinos.

Then of course, there is the small matter of 1.3 million with Hampton.

I guess the question really is, how much did pirate lose at any of these casinos? if these are all winnings, then Pirate is one mighty lucky motherf*.

 

[cipher]

Ok, I went back over everything (boy, what a thread!) and pulled out the info I was looking for. I thought I may share it. It's a task to wade through all that info.

Breakaway paid $40,000.
Phoenician paid $20,000.
Prism paid $30,000.
Virtual paid $30,000.
Delano paid $14,000 and then stopped payment on either $70,000 or $96,000, I don't know which, both figures are floating around out there.

Supposedly there are unknown amounts not being paid by unnamed RTG casinos.

There are accounts with money in them that have been frozen by various RTG casinos.

Then of course, there is the small matter of 1.3 million with Hampton.

Hi Dominique

Attached are the facts that are supported by documented evidence and incident to the questions you raised. Have a good one.


Breakaway paid $40,000.
Phoenician paid $20,000.
Prism paid $30,000. Not collected / played back
Virtual paid $30,000. $25,000 Not collected / played back
Delano paid $14,000 / $17,000 and then they stopped making payments.

Cipher

 

[portia]

Hi Dominique

Attached are the facts that are supported by documented evidence and incident to the questions you raised. Have a good one.


Breakaway paid $40,000.
Phoenician paid $20,000.
Prism paid $30,000. Not collected / played back
Virtual paid $30,000. $25,000 Not collected / played back
Delano paid $14,000 / $17,000 and then they stopped making payments.

Cipher

Sorry for appearing dense, Cipher, but can you clarify the following for me?

"Played back" means Lost back, right? and

"Delano payed $14,000 / $17,000" means between those two amounts paid?

[Thx for digging this up Dominique]

 

[cipher]

Sorry for appearing dense, Cipher, but can you clarify the following for me?

"Played back" means Lost back, right? and

"Delano payed $14,000 / $17,000" means between those two amounts paid?

[Thx for digging this up Dominique]

Hi Portia,"Played back" means exactly that. Pirate lost that money back.

I realize that may come as a shock to many but these are supported facts.

And yes Portia the $14,000 / $17,000 is a range. Have a good one.

Cipher

 

[hhcfreebie]

Attached are the facts that are supported by documented evidence and incident to the questions you raised. Have a good one.


Breakaway paid $40,000.
Phoenician paid $20,000.
Prism paid $30,000. Not collected / played back
Virtual paid $30,000. $25,000 Not collected / played back
Delano paid $14,000 / $17,000 and then they stopped making payments.

Cipher

I'd say this is a good support evidence that "the pirate"'s play style is normal. It seems he is using an aggresive progression betting methods. He won a few but he does in fact lost them back from time to time.
Over the long run he will eventually loose all the money back to casinos. Instead of paying the money and let him play more, the casinos decided not to pay and had their reputation ruined.
It's downright stupid to let "the pirate" bet 10k per hand, when they know they can't afford to pay up. Well, maybe they have this planned from the beginning. They knew they can't pay up and they had no intention to pay. It's risk free anyway.

 

[cipher]

I'd say this is a good support evidence that "the pirate"'s play style is normal. It seems he is using an aggresive progression betting methods. He won a few but he does in fact lost them back from time to time.
Over the long run he will eventually loose all the money back to casinos. Instead of paying the money and let him play more, the casinos decided not to pay and had their reputation ruined.
It's downright stupid to let "the pirate" bet 10k per hand, when they know they can't afford to pay up. Well, maybe they have this planned from the beginning. They knew they can't pay up and they had no intention to pay. It's risk free anyway.

Bear in mind the the combined losses of 30 G's to Prism and 25 G's to Virtual Casino (for a total of $55,000.00 played back) were in fact lost back with a "wager window" being significantly less than the FIVE & DIME ($5,000.00 - $10,000.00) window that Pirate was playing with at HAMPTON'S.

Cipher

 

[dominique]

Sorry for appearing dense, Cipher, but can you clarify the following for me?

"Played back" means Lost back, right? and

"Delano payed $14,000 / $17,000" means between those two amounts paid?

[Thx for digging this up Dominique]

Thank you Cipher!

That is the info I was interested in.

Portia, I think it just means that it was not withdrawn. Other than that the status seems unclear.

 

[dominique]

Thank you Cipher!

That is the info I was interested in.

Portia, I think it just means that it was not withdrawn. Other than that the status seems unclear.

Ok, my bad. I read this:

Prism paid $30,000. Not collected / played back
Virtual paid $30,000. $25,000 Not collected / played back

to mean the $30,000 paid by Prism were either not collected or played back.


I guess it means they were not collected because they were played back.

Thanks for setting it straight.

 

[cipher]

Ok, my bad. I read this:

to mean the $30,000 paid by Prism were either not collected or played back.


I guess it means they were not collected because they were played back.

Thanks for setting it straight.

So that there is no confusion on this issue.

The total amount of money that Pirate actually cashed in and/or received from PRISM was $0.00.

The total amount of money that Pirate actually cashed in and/or received from VIRTUAL was $5,000.00.

Have a good one.