RTG still rocks!

[bb28]

I mistakenly thought silcnlayc was referring to RTG software. If I had bothered to read the post completely, I would have understood that you were referring to the Topgame software and yep I do know about that. Sorry everyone.....short circuit in my brain or something.

I'm all for fairness and accountability but sadly there really isn't any way to really be sure in online gambling. There are so many avenues that different aspects of it all could be manipulated, that it really is quite scary. With that said, if your gut or intuition or whatever you want to call it is telling you that the software or that particular casino is cheating you, then by all means it's time to move on and never look back. Sure, you've got a right to bring it up and it should be discussed but to keep playing at the place that you think it ripping you off and then coming back and bitching and moaning about it again and again, well what purpose does that serve? Constructive criticism is a wonderful thing but yet it doesn't do anyone any good when someone's luck/win or good fortune is dampened by negativity.

 

[slotheadlizard]

BB28

Sure, you've got a right to bring it up and it should be discussed but to keep playing at the place that you think it ripping you off and then coming back and bitching and moaning about it again and again, well what purpose does that serve? Constructive criticism is a wonderful thing but yet it doesn't do anyone any good when someones luck/win or good fortune is dampened by negativity.
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On this I agree. It is the reason I have kept only a couple of RTG's. The rest that I felt were not paying got deleted. I too agree with the negativity statement. I prefer to praise the ones I like, and delete the ones I don't.
In this case I don't think it was a simple matter of dampening someones good fortune. It was a reply to someone negating a post with rude comments, and posting "zzzzzs" in a thread as to say this is boring me, shut up and praise my win. Their win was congratulated and welcome, the gestures were not.

It was also my understanding that the Silc post was about realising which casinos still played fair (whatever your experience with fair is) and which ones didn't. I did not think it was a specific bitch and moan post about the ones continuing to suck you dry. It read more as a warning to the operators, and a heads up to players about future law change possibilities to me.

 

[oldtrvlagt]

Thanks Gammblex.



So the OP is the webmaster of www tunicaonlinecasino.com ? I went and had a look and it is certainly RTG software. Maybe puts a new slant on things, yes?

I just looked at it too...maybe our new little friend has a vested interest?

 

[slotheadlizard]

Webmaster

Thanks Gammblex.



So the OP is the webmaster of www tunicaonlinecasino.com ? I went and had a look and it is certainly RTG software. Maybe puts a new slant on things, yes?

Don't mean to ask a dumb question, but what exactly is a webmaster of a casino?

 

[vegetagirl2008]

I think that they meant he affiliates for them. That is my guess..

 

[silcnlayc]

slotheadlizard: It was also my understanding that the Silc post was about realising which casinos still played fair (whatever your experience with fair is) and which ones didn't. I did not think it was a specific bitch and moan post about the ones continuing to suck you dry. It read more as a warning to the operators, and a heads up to players about future law change possibilities to me.

Yes, your take was the one I was trying to get across and I thank you for reading it the way I meant for it to come across..anyone else that has mistakenly read it to reflect something different, I apologize for being somewhat unclear in my writing...there are times, I cannot for the life of me come up with the words for meanings I want to get across, so all is still good on my end.. No harm, no foul.

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[TOC]

Come on be fair...

I've not once posted my url on this site or any other message boards. You looked up my profile and posted the information. I'm not promoting any site here and do request that a board monitor remove the URL. I was simply being fair and balanced and showing that you can win on RTG software. No hidden agenda.

Looks like I need to change the profile.

 

[TOC]

Profile help

Can this page be changed after joining the site? I can't find edit.

(Never mind I found it)

 

[LaurieJim]

I noticed your from Tennessee, a stones throw from the souths gambling mecca, does the Tunica, Mississippi Gaming Commision know that your using what i would assume is a trade marketed name(Tunica) in your url or would they care ? Im prolly wrong on this, but the same just currious, and again i do congrat!!! you on your wins............laurie

 

[TOC]

Well..

I'm pretty sure the name Tunica isn't trademarked but thanks for your concern.

Tunica United Methodist Church
1013 School St
Tunica, MS 38676 Map

Tunica Pharmacy
1181 Main St
Tunica, MS 38676 Map

Tunica Times
986 Magnolia St
Tunica, MS 38676 Map

Tunica Cleaners
1310 Edwards Ave
Tunica, MS 38676 Map

Tunica Florists Llc
1229 Main St
Tunica, MS 38676 Map

Thanks for the congrats...

 

[silcnlayc]

I was simply being fair and balanced and showing that you can win on RTG software

We know you can win...at any casino...

Congrats...

 

[LaurieJim]

Tunica is a town in Tunica County, Mississippi, United States, located near the Mississippi River. Historically part of an agricultural area, the town lies on the fringe of a growing gambling resort area, with major casinos attracting visitors from nearby Memphis, Tennessee and all over the Southeast.

Hollywood Casino Tunica

Ballys Tunica, Official Ballys casino, hotel, and entertainment ...

Tunicasinos.com - Tunica Mississippi Casinos and Hotels

This is just what i pulled up to get to your site, thats why i asked..............no biggie

 

[TOC]

silcnlayc

silcnlayc
Why are you so bitter? I don't recall doing anything to you.. Calm down, drink a beer or 6!

 

[Rusty]

silcnlayc
Why are you so bitter? I don't recall doing anything to you.. Calm down, drink a beer or 6!

I'm still curious.
What games did you win on and which Casino was it please?
Do you play many RTG's and are your winning overall?

 

[big_mac]

It's easy to say that a game doesn't 'feel' right, but the problem is that there is no way anyone can actually be sure, without playing millions of games, that it isn't just perfectly normal bad luck.

A casino could double the house edge on Jacks or Better simply be discarding 1/5th of the Royal flushes. As you only get a Royal every 40,000 games or so, this would be one 'fake' hand out of every 200,000; It would obviously take millions of hands to see anything significant in the statistics (although that is what audits are for).

Due to the jackpot payouts etc., it would take much longer to see something significant on slots.
If the casinos cheated on a large scale then it would be much easier to spot.

This definitely doesn't mean that there is no cheating, just that it would be near impossible to know for sure without an audit - unless the casinos did something really stupid (which we have seen several times!).

I am personally not entirely convinced that everything is level and above board, but it would take actually looking at the software to convince me either way.

I find it really interesting that so many people are complaining at the same time, but it's hard to draw any real meaning from that. If casinos did want to cheat then it could easily be done so that the players would never be able to tell. If this is evidence that they are cheating, then it must be happening on quite a large scale.

 

[chuchu59]

Some meaning can be drawn from the complaints. First, with a string of losses coupled with limited playtime, players can vent out of frustration and they could feel much better after doing that. Second, with such a large number of moans and groans, there is bound to be negative publicity on the slot payouts and this is not something the operators want to see. If they are in for the long haul perhaps they might loosen their slots (say from 94% to 97%) so that they can survive the onslaught.

The software providers are smart enough to know that there will not be solid proof against them altering the payouts although I am not suggesting that they are actually doing this. However, there are many well respected members who are veterans with RTG slots that are making these complaints. I am pretty sure that most of us have been losing overall but these have been rather painless with a mix of wins and losses although the latter occurs with more frequency. However, they see a change where the mix is tilted heavily in favour of the losses. We could blame 'bad luck' but with reports of 60%-70% RTP occurring repeatedly it is just normal that some of us would take a cynical view of what is happening. We cannot say for certain that the casinos or rather the software is cheating but maybe it's time to sit up and take notice. Just my 2c.

 

[jetset]

Thanks Gammblex.



So the OP is the webmaster of www tunicaonlinecasino.com ? I went and had a look and it is certainly RTG software. Maybe puts a new slant on things, yes?

That, and the fact that the profile has since been edited, suggests to me, too that there may be a degree of bias in TOC's responses.

But what an interesting thread! The preparedness of almost every poster to consider opinions other than their own with courtesy and tolerance shows why Casinomeister.com is such a valuable location for discussion and debate.

And seeing John Steed back in great form is a true pleasure - nice to see you around again, JS - hope we see more of your posts!

Finally, the multiple nominations for best post perhaps illustrates the value members find in taking a fresh look at previous but always interesting and useful issues and perspectives.

 

[TOC]

jetset

I edited my profile because everyone was posting the url within this thread. Not that I mind or have anything to hide, I just don't spam message boards so let's make this clear. So that everyone understands the reason I started this thread was because of all the gloom and doom relating to RTG being posted. I agree everyone has a right to gripe and post concerns and me as a player myself too thought I could show some good wins. I was never promoting my website for clicks and didn't even think about my profile being broadcast over the net. The number I showed was my personal play and thought maybe some other winners would come forward. It appears that most of you are slot players, I play very little slots and mostly blackjack for the ones that asked. I mix it up low bets up to the max.

No agenda here folks, was posting as a player. My mistake was the profile, sorry because I don't spam. Actually I purchase ad space and have from a few members on this site. Best of luck to everyone, hope it turns around for ya!

 

[Nifty29]

Great thread.

I play very little slots and mostly blackjack for the ones that asked.

The main issue raised at CM about RTG software is the slots payout - and you indicate here that the wins you had were NOT from slot play, so it doesnt really alleviate any concerns for slot players at all. Almost every "I cant win at RTG" thread is about people not being able to win at RTG SLOTS.

Sure, you can win at BJ, but it has a much higher % return and is based on 100% random cards being dealt (unless they are NOT random in which case it is plain cheating, and I dont see a BJ player like yourself playing anywhere knowing it was rigged). Slots are a different animal and, as has been stated, can be adjusted to produce different payouts at the whim of the operator.

Slot players should take TOC's posted results with a grain of salt, and I think it would have been more forthcoming of the OP to say that he wasnt playing slots.

 

[deucebag]

Unlike table games and video poker players, RTG slots players are playing a game with an unknown and unverifiable payout. We know that the payout can be adjusted at the whim of the operator (casino). The casinos are asking for a lot of trust from players with this gaming offer, but they provide ZERO evidence to the players as to what the game they are playing is actually paying out over time.

There is only way to solve this problem of trust:

1) publish the payback percentage on the paytable (like Rival and Wagerworks do)

and

2) give the players a possibility of having that payback% verified, either by having it audited by a third party, or by providing the reel layouts so that the payouts can be verified by anyone with enough mathematical knowledge. We have seen the latter done on Microgaming slots (obviously it would not work if the reels are weighted).

 

[Pinababy69]

I had a nice long post typed out...but why bother? Just more of the same. We could round and round on the merry go round for days.

To use Rob's analogy, if you want to eat dozens of hot dogs, even knowing full well that they will make you sick (heartburn), then stuff yourself til you can't eat anymore. But if you complain about the heartburn afterwards, then I'm sorry...you don't have the common sense you were born with. How many times would you continue to stick your hand in a fire even though you know you're going to get burned? How many times would you bang your head against a brick wall, even though you know it's going to give you a headache and make your head bleed?

I guess people continue to play at a software they profess to get killed at, for the same reason that players continue to play at Virtual, even with mountains of evidence showing them to be crooks.

So, bitch and moan away about something you can do absolutely zero about (until someone, somehow gets some concrete proof of cheating)...and just continue to ignore real issues that you could do something about, if you were so inclined. Well, you could do something about the casinos you "think" may be cheating, or fiddling with their payouts.....you could stop playing there. Oh, that's right, you like hotdogs....errrr, ummmm.....those casinos.

I'll just sit back and continue to jump in and shower "praise" all over the casinos. God knows I never highlight any of the bad things they do.

 

[silcnlayc]

silcnlayc
Why are you so bitter? I don't recall doing anything to you.. Calm down, drink a beer or 6

Um, I congratulated you and that makes me bitter?? Geez...I wonder where your mindset is when you can't take an honest WTG on your win, that we find out really isn't on the topic we were talking about in the first place.

Well, you could do something about the casinos you "think" may be cheating, or fiddling with their payouts.....you could stop playing there. Oh, that's right, you like hotdogs....errrr, ummmm.....those casinos.

Now that is an interesting concept...quit playing at the ones that give you heartburn..I wonder why I did not think of it..oh, I forgot...I did quit..and actually had a post saying how happy I have become by doing just what you said to do..and geez..it was done in slow increments with the last group closed last week...I wonder why I didn't think of that! Sheesh!

Musta been those gourmet hotdogs I ran into that made me forget about the hearburns I USED to get..

You might want to try it..it is a stress reliever..tossing out the heartburn and going for the calming, sweet cream ...

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[jetset]

Great thread.



The main issue raised at CM about RTG software is the slots payout - and you indicate here that the wins you had were NOT from slot play, so it doesnt really alleviate any concerns for slot players at all. Almost every "I cant win at RTG" thread is about people not being able to win at RTG SLOTS.

Sure, you can win at BJ, but it has a much higher % return and is based on 100% random cards being dealt (unless they are NOT random in which case it is plain cheating, and I dont see a BJ player like yourself playing anywhere knowing it was rigged). Slots are a different animal and, as has been stated, can be adjusted to produce different payouts at the whim of the operator.

Slot players should take TOC's posted results with a grain of salt, and I think it would have been more forthcoming of the OP to say that he wasnt playing slots.

Good points imo.

 

[slotheadlizard]

RTG

Um, I congratulated you and that makes me bitter?? Geez...I wonder where your mindset is when you can't take an honest WTG on your win, that we find out really isn't on the topic we were talking about in the first place.

Now that is an interesting concept...quit playing at the ones that give you heartburn..I wonder why I did not think of it..oh, I forgot...I did quit..and actually had a post saying how happy I have become by doing just what you said to do..and geez..it was done in slow increments with the last group closed last week...I wonder why I didn't think of that! Sheesh!

Musta been those gourmet hotdogs I ran into that made me forget about the hearburns I USED to get..

You might want to try it..it is a stress reliever..tossing out the heartburn and going for the calming, sweet cream ...

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For some reason after Pina dissected my reply to the OP, the thread seems to have evolved into many things. A lot of it has nothing to do with my reply, but its all relevant.

At first glance it looks as if I was attacking someone who had posted a win on RTG. That was certainly not my intention. My point was this, TOC had primarily been on two other threads refuting opinions and stating his own as facts, and quite rudely I may add. One, they posted their RTG wins on a thread about 3Dice. The thread was not in fact about losing, but simply inquiring as to whether or not anyone was winning at 3Dice. The OP never said they would continue playing at a casino that they were losing at, quite the opposite. They were off to EBay where their money was better utilized.

RTG was mentioned along with other brands as a place where that particular poster was not lucky. Then TOC places their stats on there with a "Sorry". OK, fine. Then Silc makes a thread that talks about which casinos are playing fair, and to remember that when the laws are changed. It was a topic about how it is not too late to change how the slots are playing before the new laws change. Once again TOC appears with a series of zzzzs, and ask what our problem is for complaining!

Not once did Silc suggest you keep laying at these casinos. I had been following some of Silcs post, and have always gathered that after losing on the slots they have deleted all but a couple in fun mode. A suggestion in which I followed, expect the two I liked.

It is important to mention that I was not complaining about RTG, I have not said or thought really that the slots were rigged. I have even debated to the contrary. I may have commented on threads with a similar experience, or chimed in on a bitch and moan session, but have long since learned that this is gambling. If I am not happy with a casino, I delete it. I may reinstall at a later date, but not complain about a casino I continue to patronize.

I have done pretty well at a couple of casinos and said as much, even posting their screenies. If I played money back , that's my fault, and I own that. I guess its just a little upsetting that my post was made out to be a RTG flogging, and rigged conspiracy rebuttal. When I had never said either. I just wanted to let the OP know I'm happy for the win on RTG, but that they don't have to post their stats on threads that they don't agree with, in a nice way.

Now I guess the whole thing is sort of null in my opinion. I did not weigh this conclusion on the URL thing- I just recently found out what a webmaster was. It had nothing to do with their win as far as I'm concerned. What does concern me is the fact that they won on BJ, when I was under the impression that they were injecting his slot play wins into the discussions about losses on SLOTS.
A win is a win, but I thought this was all about slots!

 

[johnsteed]

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So, bitch and moan away about something you can do absolutely zero about (until someone, somehow gets some concrete proof of cheating)...and just continue to ignore real issues that you could do something about, if you were so inclined. Well, you could do something about the casinos you "think" may be cheating, or fiddling with their payouts.....you could stop playing there. Oh, that's right, you like hotdogs....errrr, ummmm.....those casinos.

And I almost forgot...

For some reason after Pina dissected my reply to the OP, the thread seems to have evolved into many things. A lot of it has nothing to do with my reply, but its all relevant.

I have two of my favorite excerpts from baseball's BEST writer (with... I suppose Michael Lewis), Bill James.


About Don Baylor:


That which defines Don Baylor, I think, is the image of strength. He projects an image of great strength, great determination and force of will; as Fred White used to say, "He just looks like an RBI standing up there." But personally, I find him almost intolerable, because, to me, he seems to be engaged in a perpetual charade designed to project the image of great strength. As a manager, he seems to be using this image of great strength, great conviction in the rectitude of his actions, as a substitute for having any reason for what he is doing. I'm not suggesting that you should react to him that way; that's just me.


- The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract by Bill James



About Dick Allen:


On a sports team, the best and most talented players are the leaders, for good or bad, because they're the people who everybody else pays attention to. Allen had so much talent that he was always the focus of attention, and in addition to that he was a manipulator of extraordinary skill. He could, and can, charm a rabbit out of its whiskers. And having convinced his teammates A, B, and C that he was a great guy who had just been misunderstood, he would immediately begin to convince them that teammate D was a racist, teammate E didn't want to win, the press was out to get them all and the manager was an idiot for playing teammate X, rather that teammate C. Every team that he played for eventually degenerated into warring camps of pro-Dick Allen and anti-Dick Allen factions.


In 1976, when the Phillies won the division with Allen at the end of his career, Allen ripped management and threatened not to play in the playoffs because the Phillies wouldn't make a spot on the World Series roster for one of his teammates. The Phillies held two separate victory celebrations, the pro-Allen faction locking themselves in the trainer's room to hold their own party.


"Had Dick Allen played fifty years ago," Bob Carroll, making Dick Allen's case for the HOF, "he might be lauded today as a shining example of American independence. Instead, his moodiness, self-absorption, and free-and-easy approach to baseball make him anathema to many." Well, pardon me, but was there an era in baseball history where moodiness, self-absorption and a casual approach to the game were considered desirable qualities in a ballplayer? Was there a time in baseball history when a player could not show up at the ballpark once in a while without anybody making an issue out of it?


- Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame? by Bill James



Steed


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