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Roshstein outed himself as fake?

dunover said:
Regardless of wealth, 50k is problem gambling. No two ways about it. The patterns are all there like the junkie who begins with weed, then snorts the odd bit of coke and ends shooting up into every collapsed vein. The only difference here is that with easy affiliate money they aren't on the street - kind of like 'functioning alcoholics'. This is why the stakes rise as the affiliate income rises, they chase a bigger buzz, a bigger headline for when they do win. Affordability (for now) doesn't ever hide the fact that even if it's subconsciously, addiction is there or imminent.

Sadder still that casinos are putting their name to it. For now.
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Oh no, don't tell me you're one of those that believes weed leads to hard drugs
 
L&L-Jan said:
32 pages, first time to respond...

"That easy affiliate marketing money" is not easy anymore. Taxes are ruining it for affiliates. Buying ads is ruining it for affiliates and especially in Sweden. So the affiliate side of the job, can't be their main income. With x hours of streaming a day, you cant have a job that covers the costs. So wealthy families perhaps? Sugar daddies/mommies? Idk.

Focus on the regular streamers, those guys playing with their 20c to 1 euro bets and actually show a regular player what can be accomplished.

Just display whats realistic - do what it says on the tin and I believe long run, thats more succesfull.

We are working with streamers, but not Roshstein. Had contact with him by email, never again. The streamers we work with, wont go above 5 a bet.

And when one of those channels are discussed, I can easily drop the information that clearly displays the proportion between bonus funds and their depositing funds. And thats all in balance to be fair!

Kr. Jan
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Lol at taxes ruining it for affiliates. If I pay taxes, why shouldnt they?
 
TheSam469 said:
Lol at taxes ruining it for affiliates. If I pay taxes, why shouldnt they?
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Everybody pays taxes, you are not understanding the point of my comment. And given the content of your comment, I dont think you will.
 
L&L-Jan said:
Everybody pays taxes, you dont understanding the point of my comment. And given the content of your comment, I dont think you will.
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No, I think perhaps you were out of context. I think taxes are ruining it for affiliates is pretty plain simple to understand. The way you put it, it means that they were paying little to no taxes and now they are?

Excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect
 
No worries mate, lets take casinomeister as an example:

2014: 1000 euro earnings = 800 euro earnings for the meister. (after receiving this income, the meister still need to pay his tax)

2019: 1000 euro earnings = 580 euro earnings for the meister. (after receiving this income, the meister still need to pay his tax, but a bit less, but the income a bit less as well)

And thats only players who do not take any bonuses or play any jackpot games.
If they do, earnings become less.

Anyway,. thats a subject for a different topic in a different section where webmasters can partcipate as this is not a subject for this topic.

If I say something, Im quite sure im right, so there is no need to argue with me on that level.

With all due respect sir!
 
String Theory ..... I know it well :cool:

Addiction by design .... easy ! Just add more flashing lights and spinning reels :cheerleader:

Keep em more addicted
 
L&L-Jan said:
No worries mate, lets take casinomeister as an example:

2014: 1000 euro earnings = 800 euro earnings for the meister. (after receiving this income, the meister still need to pay his tax)

2019: 1000 euro earnings = 580 euro earnings for the meister. (after receiving this income, the meister still need to pay his tax, but a bit less, but the income a bit less as well)

And thats only players who do not take any bonuses or play any jackpot games.
If they do, earnings become less.

Anyway,. thats a subject for a different topic in a different section where webmasters can partcipate as this is not a subject for this topic.

If I say something, Im quite sure im right, so there is no need to argue with me on that level.

With all due respect sir!
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Mate, I'm not arguing. I don't need a lesson in basic accounting either. I never doubted your knowledge, I'm just saying that they way you structured your point was simply saying that taxes now are making things difficult for affiliates, as if to say they didn't pay taxes in the past.

End of this. You know your stuff. I KNOW mine.

Good evening
 
TheSam469 said:
Mate, I'm not arguing. I don't need a lesson in basic accounting either. I never doubted your knowledge, I'm just saying that they way you structured your point was simply saying that taxes now are making things difficult for affiliates, as if to say they didn't pay taxes in the past.

End of this. You know your stuff. I KNOW mine.

Good evening
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No, you are right, I read back previous comments and you are right with how I expressed it.

I think the response clarified what I meant in terms of "easy affiliate money" , correct?

I used to be an affiliate, and now an operator.

From a gaming tax point of view,I do see how it affects the invoices. After the invoices are being paid, the affiliate still needs to pay their tax. Either income tax or a kind of company tax. But their income has dropped, mainly due to tax.
 
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@L&L-Jan

In your experience would you recommend anybody to take up a career in streaming without a suitable back up plan , or back up financing ?

From what I have seen it actually looks like a normal job and not much fun to sit in front of a screen for 8 hours a day .

So for someone starting out they would be on much less than minimum wage, even though the general impression is that steaming is a quick way to riches.
 
Last one because football is on now :)

I dont think there needs to be a backup plan, or financing.

I believe, its about entertaining, and that doesnt matter if you play at 20c or 20 euros.

At 20c a spin you can create a lot of entertainment for you viewing public.

The future of streaming is: be yourself.... be fun, stick to responsible limits and enjoy - for yourself and your audience.

To be fair, our low roller streamers are doing great for our casinos, and for themselves. Nobody never mentioned them. Keep it up!

Kr. Jan
 
L&L-Jan said:
Don't overthink the whole mechanics Spikie! :)

If you are keen to do so, please apply for a position at the Princeton university for advanced study.

Thats the only place in the world where you get paid for just: "thinking" and solving science / physics challenges :)

Kr. Jan
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Well, pretty much all the streamers moved to Malta after Sweden tighten their regulations with Taxes and Bonuses (only one bonus allowed to a player per casino). Streamers need bonuses to be able to stream the hours they do and the bets they use.

As for affiliates not earning enough to do this, I have no idea about earnings as I am not one. But I know as an example casinodaddy reportedly went from earning about £200k to £4mill since they started streaming (they have an IT company on the side which probably helped them have some money streaming) , so there is definitely money in it.
 
CasinoNinja said:
Well, pretty much all the streamers moved to Malta after Sweden tighten their regulations with Taxes and Bonuses (only one bonus allowed to a player per casino). Streamers need bonuses to be able to stream the hours they do and the bets they use.

As for affiliates not earning enough to do this, I have no idea about earnings as I am not one. But I know as an example casinodaddy reportedly went from earning about £200k to £4mill since they started streaming (they have an IT company on the side which probably helped them have some money streaming) , so there is definitely money in it.
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Should be somewhat easy to check, atleast for swedish streamers, since what they pay in taxes can be viewed by anyone.
Not now when they all moved to malta of course, but previous years should still be on record.
 
Kroffe said:
Should be somewhat easy to check, atleast for swedish streamers, since what they pay in taxes can be viewed by anyone.
Not now when they all moved to malta of course, but previous years should still be on record.
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They still stream for sweden, at least for now. But they have a postbox in Malta, so they are going around the rules somewhat. Quick google on their company reveals they have increased over a 1000% since 2017, but I am no expert... :)
 
They took just under 3 million euro form their company in april.
They made an "Utedelning" wich is basically taking profits from the company and giving to the shareholders (wich im guessing is just them?)
You do it this way because you pay only 20% tax on an utdelning, as opposed to 30-50% if they were to take the money as monthly salary instead.


2019-04-24
Nya uppgifter

Godkänd, datum: 20190424
Utdelningsbelopp: 31500000.
Utdelning, datum: 20190131
Valuta: SEK
 
L&L-Jan said:
No worries mate, lets take casinomeister as an example:

2014: 1000 euro earnings = 800 euro earnings for the meister. (after receiving this income, the meister still need to pay his tax)

2019: 1000 euro earnings = 580 euro earnings for the meister. (after receiving this income, the meister still need to pay his tax, but a bit less, but the income a bit less as well)

And thats only players who do not take any bonuses or play any jackpot games.
If they do, earnings become less.

Anyway,. thats a subject for a different topic in a different section where webmasters can partcipate as this is not a subject for this topic.

If I say something, Im quite sure im right, so there is no need to argue with me on that level.

With all due respect sir!
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And to add it differs per operator. Some genuinely try to reward affiliates for hard work whilst others literally steal your money with 'fees'.

A typical example is having a Gross revenue of 1k (Deposits - Withdraws) ... Tax might be about 150. The rest is deducted for every single charge you can think of under the sun.

An affiliate earns 50 after all that. Yeah 50... that's even with a 'good deal'. Then you must still pay tax on your 50.

Again earnings differ per operator and there is no such thing as 'easy money'.

Nate
 
Spikie said:
I see Bandit lost 50k on Sunday slots just gone, even if you are a millionaire you can go bankrupt in a short space of time losing that much ....


What I don’t understand is how he can make that much money to pay for it all with matched betting / betfair etc. . Must have a good system.

The old reel king winnings can’t last many more weeks like the one just gone . I know he says he can easily afford it , but it still doesn’t sit right for some reason.

He definitely uses real money as he always plays at Casumo , videoslots and other reputable brands , but I’m just wondering how long he can seriously carry on for .

I do like watching it though ......
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I saw that, I half expected him to lose 40k then win 60k on Reel King as this sort of thing has happened in the past. I suppose it shows that you can't always win which can't be a bad thing although it was pretty obvious he was just chasing wins which is the worst thing you can do.
 
roshtein is for sure fake the best evidence he dont show off. When he make real money he must swimming in cash living in a villa etc
but he always play in virtual studio thats very good proof all his wins are virtual too
 
Roshtein is as fake as Nickslots

All of them bar maybe a couple use constant reloaded deposit bonuses, the only one who doesn't is Chip from what I can gather

And that's why Chip is trying to get into Nicks playpen lol. No one can ever be in profit long term but Nick manages it hahaha. 5k hit again yesterday off stream.

My theory is that the amount of reloaded bonuses (all without any risk whatsoever) will eventually lead to a big hit. Its inevetible at some point he's going to win something massive because of the sheer amount of spins and recycled money he can put through them. And again all without any risk attached because of the affiliation money and deposit bonus cash generated.

anyone else noticed Bandit doing less and less videos? the bloke seems to have made his money and the fun of making videos for small amounts of profit seem totally pointless for him now.
 
HorseBurger1989 said:
Roshtein is as fake as Nickslots

All of them bar maybe a couple use constant reloaded deposit bonuses, the only one who doesn't is Chip from what I can gather

And that's why Chip is trying to get into Nicks playpen lol. No one can ever be in profit long term but Nick manages it hahaha. 5k hit again yesterday off stream.

My theory is that the amount of reloaded bonuses (all without any risk whatsoever) will eventually lead to a big hit. Its inevetible at some point he's going to win something massive because of the sheer amount of spins and recycled money he can put through them. And again all without any risk attached because of the affiliation money and deposit bonus cash generated.

anyone else noticed Bandit doing less and less videos? the bloke seems to have made his money and the fun of making videos for small amounts of profit seem totally pointless for him now.
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Wait, so are you saying they are fake, or that they are using the money they get by being an affiliate to deposit and claim bonuses?
If they are using money that is theirs, its not really risk-free is it?
 
Kroffe said:
Wait, so are you saying they are fake, or that they are using the money they get by being an affiliate to deposit and claim bonuses?
If they are using money that is theirs, its not really risk-free is it?
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I think the point made is that with such big bonus you can't lose. I don't think it is the size (of the bonus) that matters, only how you use it (WR, RTP of games you can play). ;)
 
nikantw said:
I think the point made is that with such big bonus you can't lose. I don't think it is the size (of the bonus) that matters, only how you use it (WR, RTP of games you can play). ;)
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He loses big and wins big - his odds are improved because of the massive bonuses he gets and you are totally right what he plays affects things as some slots have better RTP etc
 
Kroffe said:
Wait, so are you saying they are fake, or that they are using the money they get by being an affiliate to deposit and claim bonuses?
If they are using money that is theirs, its not really risk-free is it?
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They are using affiliate money and deposit bonus money, the bonus money is basically funny money until its wagered

Degsy made a video about it. The odds are skewed in their favour. They get as many bonus deposits as they like and get to play them for hours a day. And the money does not belong to them. The affiliate money is everyone elses losses. bonus deposits technically don't exist until its wagered. Basically they are playing with 50% monopoly money when they first deposit. and the other 50% is not even their cash.

Nickslots "lets just do f***t max bet spins. F*** it max bet spins" < on WWTBAM lol. You are up against streamers who actually cannot lose.
 
Rumours doing the rounds that Bandit has his own place in Vegas ffs. They are absolutely loaded these streamers. And Bandit isn't even a streamer. Barely even a video creator these days. He's bought a house here in the UK and now a possible condo in Vegas. Who paid for all that? I would argue it wasn't just the suckers who sign up through his links. But the casinos themselves. How much has he raked in through the few years he's been doing it? and bare in mind he was playing on 60p stakes 2 years ago lol.
 
HorseBurger1989 said:
Rumours doing the rounds that Bandit has his own place in Vegas ffs. They are absolutely loaded these streamers. And Bandit isn't even a streamer. Barely even a video creator these days. He's bought a house here in the UK and now a possible condo in Vegas. Who paid for all that? I would argue it wasn't just the suckers who sign up through his links. But the casinos themselves. How much has he raked in through the few years he's been doing it? and bare in mind he was playing on 60p stakes 2 years ago lol.
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Well your not bitter much.

You gutted you didn't think of the idea first?.
 
HorseBurger1989 said:
They are using affiliate money and deposit bonus money, the bonus money is basically funny money until its wagered

Degsy made a video about it. The odds are skewed in their favour. They get as many bonus deposits as they like and get to play them for hours a day. And the money does not belong to them. The affiliate money is everyone elses losses. bonus deposits technically don't exist until its wagered. Basically they are playing with 50% monopoly money when they first deposit. and the other 50% is not even their cash.

Nickslots "lets just do f***t max bet spins. F*** it max bet spins" < on WWTBAM lol. You are up against streamers who actually cannot lose.
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Its still their money, and its not monopoly money.
Is it the most ethical way to make money? Nope. But even if i made my money selling cigarettes for example, the money i got would be mine, and not belong to the people buying cigarettes from me.

They do have better odds than regular players have because of the endless stream of deposit-bonuses they get.
But if you think being an affiliate/streamer is some sort of get-rich-quick scheme, feel free to give it a go and report back how many millions you make.
 
HorseBurger1989 said:
Rumours doing the rounds that Bandit has his own place in Vegas ffs. They are absolutely loaded these streamers. And Bandit isn't even a streamer. Barely even a video creator these days. He's bought a house here in the UK and now a possible condo in Vegas. Who paid for all that? I would argue it wasn't just the suckers who sign up through his links. But the casinos themselves. How much has he raked in through the few years he's been doing it? and bare in mind he was playing on 60p stakes 2 years ago lol.
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Total horse shite is what it is sucking people in by showing totally unrealistic content as all seasoned gamblers know it’s horse shit.
Roll on the day the casinos stop associating with these sharks I wonder how they would fair playing on a normal account without aff earnings.
A friend of the family started watching NickSlots and had never gambled in his life jump forward a month and he was playing £10 plus spins marriage split lost his kids house lost and now 6ft under.
I’m not putting the blame solely at nicks door but sitting spinning £10 spins for hours and hitting bonus after bonus then cashing out thousands for anybody not in the know the carrot in the end of the stick needs a crane to hold it up ffs....
 
Kroffe said:
Its still their money, and its not monopoly money.
Is it the most ethical way to make money? Nope. But even if i made my money selling cigarettes for example, the money i got would be mine, and not belong to the people buying cigarettes from me.

They do have better odds than regular players have because of the endless stream of deposit-bonuses they get.
But if you think being an affiliate/streamer is some sort of get-rich-quick scheme, feel free to give it a go and report back how many millions you make.
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This..
 
HorseBurger1989 said:
Rumours doing the rounds that Bandit has his own place in Vegas ffs. They are absolutely loaded these streamers. And Bandit isn't even a streamer. Barely even a video creator these days. He's bought a house here in the UK and now a possible condo in Vegas. Who paid for all that? I would argue it wasn't just the suckers who sign up through his links. But the casinos themselves. How much has he raked in through the few years he's been doing it? and bare in mind he was playing on 60p stakes 2 years ago lol.
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Doesn't he make his money off Poker? Or maybe he's just a really successful businessman who likes a gamble.
 
HorseBurger1989 said:
Rumours doing the rounds that Bandit has his own place in Vegas ffs. They are absolutely loaded these streamers. And Bandit isn't even a streamer. Barely even a video creator these days. He's bought a house here in the UK and now a possible condo in Vegas. Who paid for all that? I would argue it wasn't just the suckers who sign up through his links. But the casinos themselves. How much has he raked in through the few years he's been doing it? and bare in mind he was playing on 60p stakes 2 years ago lol.
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Zee Bandit has another means of making moneys .
 
Its not their money though is it

Its money gained through losses of other players. And its not bitterness either so you can take that bs comment and shove it where the sun don't shine lol.

How the fack do you explain how these fackers are living it up in Vegas and we're sitting here without a pot to p*** in ?

If anyone else turns up with that "your just jealous" I'll pack up debating it because its obvious their echo chambers have turned up
 
HorseBurger1989 said:
Its not their money though is it

Its money gained through losses of other players. And its not bitterness either so you can take that bs comment and shove it where the sun don't shine lol.

How the fack do you explain how these fackers are living it up in Vegas and we're sitting here without a pot to p*** in ?

If anyone else turns up with that "your just jealous" I'll pack up debating it because its obvious their echo chambers have turned up
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No it's their money - even if they gained it either through losses or from another affiliate deal of some other description - whether its morally correct is another matter but it is their money which they got paid legally ! The players who lost would have lost anyway if they signed up directly through the casino or via an affiliate

If someone is living it up in Vegas then so what - they didn't commit a crime - they can live it up wherever

If you are not jealous then I'm not sure what you are !
 
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irish-ranger said:
Total horse shite is what it is sucking people in by showing totally unrealistic content as all seasoned gamblers know it’s horse shit.
Roll on the day the casinos stop associating with these sharks I wonder how they would fair playing on a normal account without aff earnings.
A friend of the family started watching NickSlots and had never gambled in his life jump forward a month and he was playing £10 plus spins marriage split lost his kids house lost and now 6ft under.
I’m not putting the blame solely at nicks door but sitting spinning £10 spins for hours and hitting bonus after bonus then cashing out thousands for anybody not in the know the carrot in the end of the stick needs a crane to hold it up ffs....
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Nick slots has been cashing out frequently for the past 6 weeks. Cashed out 5k on Saturday, cashed out a grand today. He's about 10k up on the year just on his actual streams alone. Meaning he's kept all of the affiliation money generated as well. These slots do not play like that for the majority of us peasants. and we're on 20p stake ffs not the £10 spins Nick was doing earlier on a £1000 balance hahaha. the maths do not add up. They are literally taking the facking piss out of us.

Dazza was getting called out by Nick a few months ago... the bloke has some nerve ffs.
 
Borgie said:
No its their money - even if they gained it either through losses or from another affiliate deal of some other description - whether its morally correct is another matter but it is thier money which they got paid legally ! They players who lost whould have lost anyway if they signed up directly through the casimo or via an affiliate

If someone is living it up in Vegas then so what - they didn't commit a crime - they can live it up wherever

If you are not jealous then I'm not sure what you are !
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No its not their money the end

Now fack off you moron
 
HorseBurger1989 said:
No its not their money the end

Now fack off you moron
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damber.webp
 
irish-ranger said:
Total horse shite is what it is sucking people in by showing totally unrealistic content as all seasoned gamblers know it’s horse shit.
Roll on the day the casinos stop associating with these sharks I wonder how they would fair playing on a normal account without aff earnings.
A friend of the family started watching NickSlots and had never gambled in his life jump forward a month and he was playing £10 plus spins marriage split lost his kids house lost and now 6ft under.
I’m not putting the blame solely at nicks door but sitting spinning £10 spins for hours and hitting bonus after bonus then cashing out thousands for anybody not in the know the carrot in the end of the stick needs a crane to hold it up ffs....
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Anyone who defends this needs a hiding as far as I'm concerned. Defending that filth makes me sick it really does. This country needs a reality check it really does.

Nick was doing it again today. Not just getting a grand to last hours on £10-£20 spins but actually cashing out again. Its another casino he's pushing whereby he gets loads of freebies and loads of bonus money

Anyone defending it can fack off
 

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