Roshstein outed himself as fake?

[interlog]

Nothing to do with being uninformed, you are just not looking at it practically.

The gambling industry is highly regulated in what we can advertise. It has to be matter-of-fact (or irreverant) but what it can not do is give unrealistic views of gambling. Whether we offer high stakes or not is entirely independent on whether we ENCOURAGE people to use them.

And I would argue that Roshstein in particular is not showing a realistic form of gambling.

He is betting it ridiculous stakes.
But more importantly he is getting bonuses no one else would normally get, no max bet limits on those bonuses, and a whole host of other things mere mortals cannot ever hope to achieve.

These things are why he is dangerous, and far far more dangerous than a company is for simply having the option to bet high.

I dont like the idea of people betting £500 quid, but for some that's like us betting 50p.

Shit... I said I would not post. Dammit!

So why does the Company that you work for (IGT) put videos on Youtube demonstrating/promoting/advertising their slots spinning at 20 / 25 a go? In your own words, they are ridiculous stakes so why not 1 a spin? It still demonstrates what the slot does but without the big numbers flashing on the screen.

One of many on the IGT YT channel:

 

[mack341]

I think old rosh is live as we speak on youtube unless it's somebody recycling his streams, doing $48 euro spins with a $28,000 balance

 

[Slottery]

This isn't now about whether or not Roshtein was playing with fake or 'semi-real' money (because it's not true real money if he's getting constant big reload bonuses of 300% and isn't subject to max bet limits), the debate now IMO is about the moral degeneracy of a casino and streamer working hand-in-hand to advertise a form of gambling that would bankrupt most of the population within a couple of hours if they ever tried it themselves.

Wouldn't really (not defending anyone here or have any opinion if all streamers or what so ever should be banned or not, that's not my point is it acceptable or not) say that it's advertising that form of gambling... You also see loads of movies and other stuff where 99.87% of people who are qualified from age to see them (guess casino streams are k18 in Twitch but even if you're 15 you probably you understand enough, you're not under 10 etc...) understands not to try tricks seen in movies, youtube, twitch and where so ever yourself. I would like to believe that most people who do have brains, don't start to make £30 spins just because some funny looking guy in black hat and costume do them in Twitch.

That's just really hard to imagine somebody in normal financial situation with work, some credit cards etc... like pointed can have access to that amount once, so called "normal person" start to make these spins and blow up £30k in half an hour and life is ruined. If somebody does that, he/she is counted to that 0.23% of people who also might try to jump from bridge to roof of bus and stop it because James Bond did it. It's really long shot to think that point of these videos is trying to get anybody to make such a highrolling like there.

I sometimes been watching and do watch highrolling poker where these guys have more money on cashgames than i ever been abble to access even selling all what i own, take all possible loans etc... From numbers i've been able to see that i'm not only person who's watching these, these might not be popular than some Twitchers as many think these are boring, but there people are playing with extreme high bets. And some professional players get broke time to time, many of them have sponsors (so not fully at least play their own money but people invest to their play as thinking that they might win or just to advertise something etc..), but that's for sure.

Some might have been of course think that i want to be professional poker player and have tried it, but there (and probably if you wanna highroll slots over 30 mins) you need to first build your bankroll to be able to have access to these games. I think it's very far also to think that somebody would take loans and cash all savings and build, let's say £50k bank roll to be able to deposit it to what ever gambling, slots, poker, sportbook and start to high roll.

Huge majority of people are not "monkey see, monkey do" minded but able to make their own decisions and set realistic expectations to their own habits.

 

[Andromeda]

I think old rosh is live as we speak on youtube unless it's somebody recycling his streams, doing $48 euro spins with a $28,000 balance

To be fair, that would make sense to do 48e bets when you have 270k worth of wagering to do.

 

[trancemonkey]

So why does the Company that you work for (IGT) put videos on Youtube demonstrating/promoting/advertising their slots spinning at 20 / 25 a go? In your own words, they are ridiculous stakes so why not 1 a spin? It still demonstrates what the slot does but without the big numbers flashing on the screen.

One of many on the IGT YT channel:

It's fair comment, but it is also somewhat different. It is quite clear (I would hope) that a video made by the company making the game would be showing off the key features of a game. And is likely to show the potential of the game...

Could the stake be lower? Yes it could... but I simply cannot compare a 1 minute showreel video of a game to someone whose reactions are over the top, streams many days a week and blows tens of thousands of euros a day?

Are you seriously comparing the two, or are you just out for an argument?

 

[trancemonkey]

Wouldn't really (not defending anyone here or have any opinion if all streamers or what so ever should be banned or not, that's not my point is it acceptable or not) say that it's advertising that form of gambling... You also see loads of movies and other stuff where 99.87% of people who are qualified from age to see them (guess casino streams are k18 in Twitch but even if you're 15 you probably you understand enough, you're not under 10 etc...) understands not to try tricks seen in movies, youtube, twitch and where so ever yourself. I would like to believe that most people who do have brains, don't start to make £30 spins just because some funny looking guy in black hat and costume do them in Twitch.

That's just really hard to imagine somebody in normal financial situation with work, some credit cards etc... like pointed can have access to that amount once, so called "normal person" start to make these spins and blow up £30k in half an hour and life is ruined. If somebody does that, he/she is counted to that 0.23% of people who also might try to jump from bridge to roof of bus and stop it because James Bond did it. It's really long shot to think that point of these videos is trying to get anybody to make such a highrolling like there.

I sometimes been watching and do watch highrolling poker where these guys have more money on cashgames than i ever been abble to access even selling all what i own, take all possible loans etc... From numbers i've been able to see that i'm not only person who's watching these, these might not be popular than some Twitchers as many think these are boring, but there people are playing with extreme high bets. And some professional players get broke time to time, many of them have sponsors (so not fully at least play their own money but people invest to their play as thinking that they might win or just to advertise something etc..), but that's for sure.

Some might have been of course think that i want to be professional poker player and have tried it, but there (and probably if you wanna highroll slots over 30 mins) you need to first build your bankroll to be able to have access to these games. I think it's very far also to think that somebody would take loans and cash all savings and build, let's say £50k bank roll to be able to deposit it to what ever gambling, slots, poker, sportbook and start to high roll.

Huge majority of people are not "monkey see, monkey do" minded but able to make their own decisions and set realistic expectations to their own habits.

You are unbelievably naive about problem gamblers. Yes, the majority do not copy... but there are those that will. It is like a drug to them. Just because you can't comprehend it, doesnt mean it isnt true.

Take a trip to a GA meeting one day and hear their stories, then come back and tell me people "just dont copy £30 spins".

One guy had remortgage his house to the tune of £300k and blown it in a month on slots and horses. He was intercepting his own post and forging his bank statements and mortgage statements (back before it was all online) so his wife didnt know.

You have literally no idea what people will do... I cant even believe I'm having to defend problem gamblers on here as if they don't exist. Its unbelievable.

 

[EkJR]

Hey guys

Let me try to repeat some facts (prove me wrong, please. It's been 16 pages, and I already thinking about writing to Rosh in regards to some payment for this free advertising)..

1) Roshtein account is real play account. As any our other customer account. He do not play in practice mode, he do not use any fun chips. It's just regular account, with regular transactions (okay, huge, but still - like any other transactions). Please, continue with your 'body language' statements. Seriously, sitting here and knowing that he indeed playing with real funds - it's SO MUCH fun reading statements about body language))))

2) We was not able to replicate issue. It's true. No idea what happened, and based on the amount of customers we have daily, and based on amount of unique players - I do not think there is any problem at all. I'm not going to push QA team to work million of hours in order to find out what happened. They have more important job.

3) Once again. Accept it or not. Watch Roshtein, or not watch. He do not make anything illegal. He playing with the funds he can allow to himself to play. We have his SOW in order to make sure that he indeed can make such high bets and deposits.

If it's not ethical - okay, it's up to you. In my opinion, it's COMPLETELY unethical to FORCE anyone to make lower bets, to not stream, to blame for making high bets. If it's allowed -it's up to him. If he wants to play 1k bets and make 100k deposits per day - up to him. Since we are (as casino) know that:

a) he can afford it
b) he do not have problems with gambling.

You can make 100 more pages, I don't care personally. But it's pretty much funny that some people who hate / or dislike Rosh just make him more popular via this thread If you don't like it - don't watch it. If you think that by allowing him doing so high bets we are making bad and even awful job - okay, do not play with our brand if you want.

I'm personally more about providing our customers best possible experience and fastest possible withdrawals, then thinking 'Oh, what some of our streamers viewers will think about this streamer'. Don't forget it. N1 is not Rostein. Roshtein is not N1. He is just one among hundreds of our affiliates.

Hope this helps!

BR,

V.

Not sure you know what the word ethical means to be honest!

 

[EkJR]

Because it is not a Scottish Bank Holiday lol. In saying that tho i get tomorrow off as my work has English holidays. Total waste of time. But times are a changing. I even had an appointment for an MRI scan at 8.30 this morning on a Sunday when hospital should be closed yet get a holiday tomorrow when i should be working. The hospitals don't even do appointments that time during the week.

Anyway enjoy your Bank Holiday weekend.

I hear ya. Dreading another Monday

 

[Guntis]

In the last point is an example that streamers have a direct influence on gamblers out there-

Two months ago I met one guy from Scotland. From workmates stories, I realized that he is a proper gambling addict that has money only on Fridays morning, has loans everywhere and lives from payday to payday. He never hid this information also and was always open about it.

I never told him that I like gambling too. I only had an interest - what games does he play and which casinos he uses for gambling etc.

After our conversation everything was clear!

1) To look for online casinos he enters in Google search best casino games or best slots and picks one of the first results (which are Google ads or top casino affiliate websites).

2) He did not know that there are gaming software providers for online casinos! He thought that every online casino presents players their own made games.

3) He did not know that such casino affiliates even exist.

4) For most of the time, he plays slots online that are available in high street bookies like Rainbow Riches for example.

5) His phone is full to the edge with gambling-related shit (he never cleans cookies and browsing history).

6) He never knew that in order to get his winnings he has to go through the verification process (I think with big bookie casino sites he got verified electronically and with some others, he couldn't understand properly how it works and normally got pissed off cancelled his winnings and lost).

7) Sometimes he watches videos with big wins and tries to look for that game in a casino he plays at.

8) From watching streamer videos with big wins he clearly thinks that there is a higher chance to win playing at higher stakes!

Of course, nobody makes or forces him on Fridays to deposit £500 out of his wages and play at £10 a spin, it's purely his choice!
But the question is where did he get this idea to betting higher?

Maybe the information above for somebody sounds funny but this is how out there an average gambler thinks!

 

[Jayjay231221]

Through conversations with reliable people, I have learned that Roshtein has operated with a deal where only 5% of the money he plays with is actually his, and he also has a max cashout of something like 5x the deposit amount. Meaning if it says Roshtein deposited €2000 with a 300% bonus (€8000 starting balance), he actually only deposited €100, and has a max cashout of €500. And that’s only with some casinos. With others he has another deal, where he plays exclusively with demo accounts. I know for a fact through an insider who works at N1 he’s got a very rigged deal specifically with N1 casino, where he puts absolutely no money down for any of his “deposits”.

 

[Slottery]

You are unbelievably naive about problem gamblers.

Thank you for your fact based opinion. You have full right for that. Just said that many people might take it as an accusion if they are thought be so dump that they repeat everything what they see in internet.

Problem gamblers are having their problem, but how many people who are not problem gamblers start right away to deposit £30k and make £30 spins because some funny looking guy in internet did?

You are quite strongly having your opinions to only correct and and as said, you have full right of it, but maybe read everything again after couple of days and see if you still want to go on to this debate which have quite fanatic sides and opinions. Can't really see not too many very constructive posts here lately anymore.

That really don't give full professional picture that you are the person who only is cabable to understand problem gamblers when you argue your point with oneliner like that. Have seen much better posts from you, maybe that you told was your last to that thread should have been that as quality these really is not increasing. Not mean to offend, just not really great conversation when only one opinion is allowed and all others replied like this, if nothing more constructive willing to share, would it be one option not to post at all?

 

[dunover]

Nothing to do with being uninformed, you are just not looking at it practically.

The gambling industry is highly regulated in what we can advertise. It has to be matter-of-fact (or irreverant) but what it can not do is give unrealistic views of gambling. Whether we offer high stakes or not is entirely independent on whether we ENCOURAGE people to use them.

And I would argue that Roshstein in particular is not showing a realistic form of gambling.

He is betting it ridiculous stakes.
But more importantly he is getting bonuses no one else would normally get, no max bet limits on those bonuses, and a whole host of other things mere mortals cannot ever hope to achieve.

These things are why he is dangerous, and far far more dangerous than a company is for simply having the option to bet high.

I dont like the idea of people betting £500 quid, but for some that's like us betting 50p.

Shit... I said I would not post. Dammit!

Indeed- the general ethos of advertising is the word 'representative'. In other words the advertising medium should as near as possible mirror the product being sold and apt for the average consumer.

 

[Andromeda]

No you have decided that. But maybe your PC is different from many others.

I can not play N1 casino but out of every site i have if i click Real i can still move my cursor before screen disappears and game loads.

As others have also pointed out just because it is over PRACTICE as game loads that does not PROVE that REAL never got clicked like it appears to have.

Maybe you are right. But just because you cannot replicate a press on REAL and have the cursor move does not mean it is impossible.

Every site i have tried i sure as hell can. So Goodness grief we have not settled this conclusively.

I'm not one to jump and scream 'fake fake fake' because to be honest, I don't really care, makes no difference to me whether a streamer is using real money or not. However, Rosh hasn't claimed that he accidently pressed real instead of demo. Infact he commented on twitter to Chipmonkz(he deleted original tweet so don't know exactly what he said) saying;

"Try this at N1 yourself, you'll get the same result. I was AFK, got logged out and clicked on a game. I clarified this later on but of course noone talking about that. Thank you. "
and another;
"Yes, try the same on N1, you'll get the same result. "

He didn't try and say 'oh it was an accident, I pressed real play', he is infact saying he did click it and he can replicated it, it's normal.

 

[goatwack]

I think old rosh is live as we speak on youtube unless it's somebody recycling his streams, doing $48 euro spins with a $28,000 balance

Why are we all here discussing it when we could be there watching him!!

Last one there's a ninny!

 

[interlog]

It's fair comment, but it is also somewhat different. It is quite clear (I would hope) that a video made by the company making the game would be showing off the key features of a game. And is likely to show the potential of the game...

Could the stake be lower? Yes it could... but I simply cannot compare a 1 minute showreel video of a game to someone whose reactions are over the top, streams many days a week and blows tens of thousands of euros a day?

Are you seriously comparing the two, or are you just out for an argument?

I am certainly not out for an argument.

You make some valid points but your denial that slot designers / providers have no responsibility when it comes to bet sizes is just astonishing. I used those videos as examples where high bet sizes are used to advertise the slot. The last video I provided had a "shitty" 20x win but looks impressive with £600+ flashing on the screen. It would have been £20 if played at £1 - less impressive perhaps?

And that is the point I am making.... Roshtein does high bets for a purpose. IGT does them too for a purpose. Both are wrong.

 

[paul7388]

Why are we all here discussing it when we could be there watching him!!

Last one there's a ninny!

Think he has been live all day.

I checked YT hours ago and he had a 21k balance that dropped to 14k next time i looked.

He showed viewers his 2k deposit for today. And how he was trying to wager 270k which i think he met.

So f*ck knows how much of a bonus he got for that wagering. Giving that it is real money to start off course.

And know i don't watch streams just this thread made me curious if he was on YT lol.

 

[Slottery]

I am certainly not out for an argument.
You make some valid points but your denial that slot designers / providers have no responsibility when it comes to bet sizes is just astonishing.

In this thread i think quite many of us should prevent to post more before let's say tomorrow midday. We all probably can see how much of denial and pointing on fingers this thread have gone where everybody feels they have that only one and correct opinion, sorry fact and all others don't understand.

It's bit too religious, and controlling these posts is hard as well as many last time posters have come back and make one post more, so maybe really worth of doing something else rest of the evening and take timeout at least over the night and once it expires post again with fresh and rest brains.

Peace for all and enjoy evening

 

[Andromeda]

Think he has been live all day.

I checked YT hours ago and he had a 21k balance that dropped to 14k next time i looked.

He showed viewers his 2k deposit for today. And how he was trying to wager 270k which i think he met.

So f*ck knows how much of a bonus he got for that wagering. Giving that it is real money to start off course.

And know i don't watch streams just this thread made me curious if he was on YT lol.

He get's a 300% bonus, he deposits 2k so has a starting balance of 8k, max bet is 50e.

 

[homerbert]

Through conversations with reliable people, I have learned that Roshtein has operated with a deal where only 5% of the money he plays with is actually his, and he also has a max cashout of something like 5x the deposit amount. Meaning if it says Roshtein deposited €2000 with a 300% bonus (€8000 starting balance), he actually only deposited €100, and has a max cashout of €500. And that’s only with some casinos. With others he has another deal, where he plays exclusively with demo accounts. I know for a fact through an insider who works at N1 he’s got a very rigged deal specifically with N1 casino, where he puts absolutely no money down for any of his “deposits”.

Can you PM me names of such people? Since the whole N1 team is under my control. Will be interesting. You can post proofs for everyone here in thread. No proofs? Next please.

Seriously, what's wrong with you people?

 

[Slottery]

Can you PM me names of such people? Since the whole N1 team is under my control. Will be interesting. You can post proofs for everyone here in thread. No proofs? Next please.

Seriously, what's wrong with you people?

Edit. Nothing, this joke have reach top of entertainment already for while. Almost broke my own suggestion not to post any nonsense here before sleeping over night. Think joke wouldn't be suitable here to do Nothing regarding you @homerbert was just almost going to answer to post you quoted with bit sarcasm but leaving it from tonight.

 

[homerbert]

I am certainly not out for an argument.

You make some valid points but your denial that slot designers / providers have no responsibility when it comes to bet sizes is just astonishing. I used those videos as examples where high bet sizes are used to advertise the slot. The last video I provided had a "shitty" 20x win but looks impressive with £600+ flashing on the screen. It would have been £20 if played at £1 - less impressive perhaps?

And that is the point I am making.... Roshtein does high bets for a purpose. IGT does them too for a purpose. Both are wrong.

Well, I will allow myself to post my own thoughts.

Did the industry have ill customers? - Yes.

Is this possible to prevent it? - Yes, but it will kill the industry (reducing max bet limits, reducing deposit limits, forcing such things, etc).

Did anyone in this business really interested in the doing something in order to kill the market? - No, of course no.

Game providers, casinos, affiliates...Etc etc. No one is really interested. Therefore we have a threads like this. Some people way to envy. Please check first post website. It's created by casino daddy people, most likely. Check 'roshtein using viewbots'. And check comments. Do you need anything else?

Seriously, in my personal opinion, there is a thin ice. If you promote casinos which do not linked to spelpaus, for example, for swedish customers - you're bad affiliate. You should be thrown out from industry. If you promote gambling to addicted / minors - you should be thrown out from industry. If you following all the rules and regulations - you're okay. Otherwise it's not business.

Why people can't accept it?

 

[homerbert]

Edit. Nothing, this joke have reach top of entertainment already for while. Almost broke my own suggestion not to post any nonsense here before sleeping over night. Think joke wouldn't be suitable here to do Nothing regarding you @homerbert was just almost going to answer to post you quoted with bit sarcasm but leaving it from tonight.

We can have 'a joke fight' if you want. I'm ready

And like someone pointed in this thread - due to my english you will not get any of my jokes. But who cares?

I'm okay to any jokes mate, if it's not touch my family or people close to me, so go ahead mate!

 

[zippydodo]

OK I don't gamble on line (don't trust it) but if I were to join N1casino at what level of depositing as a new customer would I have to make for you to check I was gambling responsibly?

 

[homerbert]

OK I don't gamble on line (don't trust it) but if I were to join N1casino at what level of depositing as a new customer would I have to make for you to check I was gambling responsibly?

Hey mate!

As per regulations (MGA). You should check it our yourself, if you want to. But if you don't trust it, maybe better not to start? Believe me, you will not lost anything in your life by missing it.

Br,

V.

 

[slotmaster]

I really don't understand why people are upset if this guy or anyone else has a deal or bonuses and trying to get info in regards to that cause, not 1 party is going to tell you the exact deal nor I would think they can. It's like a YouTuber getting sponsored to do a video and I see no problems with that and am fine with it myself, I choose to still watch that video, If it bugs me I won't watch it.

Now saying that. I am with everyone about the silly bet size nonsense and the big win videos and how that's getting the views. Even all the YouTubers are doing bigger bet sizes and the one popular one I just read that he's gone and might be broke now like vegaslowroller who is doing mostly max bets now.