Roshstein outed himself as fake?

[Harry_BKK]

Through conversations with reliable people, I have learned that Roshtein has operated with a deal where only 5% of the money he plays with is actually his, and he also has a max cashout of something like 5x the deposit amount. Meaning if it says Roshtein deposited €2000 with a 300% bonus (€8000 starting balance), he actually only deposited €100, and has a max cashout of €500. And that’s only with some casinos. With others he has another deal, where he plays exclusively with demo accounts. I know for a fact through an insider who works at N1 he’s got a very rigged deal specifically with N1 casino, where he puts absolutely no money down for any of his “deposits”.

For goodness sake, can anyone post some real proof for a change and not quote some "reliable people", "insiders" etc.

Post the proof if you have any, shut up if you don't! Or ask the "reliable people", "insiders" to register here and post it! And I mean not only you but your post triggered my response. All here who made accusations should provide proof, and they were all asked for it but so far - NADA, NOTHING, not a shred.

Homebert offered to show his proof to Bryan or Max. All on the other side, offered none!

This is just more pitchforks and hot air!

 

[interlog]

I think you'll find I have never denied games providers have responsibility....

Just out of interest, in that show reel, how long does it go on for, how many people's crazed reactions do you see, and how many spins are played in the video?

It is hardly comparable is it?

It is comparable as much as your earlier comparison about somebody doing crazy things on Youtube with a car are comparable.

IGT used big bet sizes to make that particular 20x win look so much better than it really was (a £600+ win is pretty nice for the majority of people that do average deposits of no more than £100 a pop, they would more than likely cash out) compared to a £20 win if played on £1 bet size.

Roshtein does big bets to attract more viewers in the hope that they will sign up through his links.

Both use big bet sizes as a tool to get what they want out of it.

 

[interlog]

Hey mate!

Because it's fu**ing normal account.

Remember, I can see backend, I can see stats, I can see transactions. And what other people here can see?

Br,

V.

But it isn't a "normal" account now isn't it. Since when do your customers get 300% deposit match bonuses with a max bet so much higher than your T's and C's state?

You use him as a tool to promote your casino and get customers through the door. He does use viewbots (just like other channels do) and part of the reason that he is popular is because of the crazy high bets that he does.

Do all of your high rollers that do not stream and get customers through the door get such favourable terms as he does? If I was a betting person, my guess would be no because it would be financially unsustainable.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Davo slots, he's a guy that falls within the category of Roshstein as well. Make a incredible 170k win or so on. I doubt if that win is even real. No ringing bells, no cheering people, no handpay alert, no visuals of what's going around the slot itself, this could be a demo system bought off from ebay as far as we know. And yeah, you can buy real slot machines from ebay and temper with the inside RNG and all that. Any salesman / dealer in used or 2nd hand slots knows how this proces works.

 

[nikantw]

.... I cant even believe I'm having to defend problem gamblers on here as if they don't exist. ...

I believe the debate is "Roshtein is responsible for all problem gambling" vs "no he isn't"

May I suggest we can find a middle ground in "no he isn't, at least not for the majority of it"?
Isn't that closer to what most of us think?

Wouldn't the world be a safer place for gamblers if they had all read the RG articles in CM?
If they all knew never to bet more than 1% of their balance?
If they all knew to play at safe places? If they all knew what RTP is?
If they all could see through the "perception" a slot gives that you can easily win big?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Those that are "live" on YT right now are rebroadcasted and used to push affilliate links by a 3rd party, Roshtein only livestreams on Twitch. If you look for other popular streamers you'll often see those are being rebroadcasted too for the same reason.

Signing up by an affiliate in the first place is really dumb. But it's appearantly the only way to 'obtain' whatever deal comes with that. I've bin doing something in the past with affiliating too, before this streaming and all became big. The revenue is just blazing high at 40 to 60% of a player's deposit vs loss. I understand why half the internet on any public medium is being bombed right now, even targetting problem gamblers that would bypass gamestop and such.

Really, problem gamblers need to learn how to get a hold on themself, and stop believing in the fairytales that people are spreading out. The reality is that 85% of online gamblers is going to lose just like any other pyramid scheme. I have a better chance winning at landbased on a avg of 400 euro compared to online to be honest.

And leaving with 2 grand is always better then having a tilt and depositng way more then you had planned in the first place. That's how online slots are designed. Oh you almost had it.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I believe the debate is "Roshtein is responsible for all problem gambling" vs "no he isn't"

Hey @nikantw this debate has turned into that but originally the debate was simply.....Is Roshtein using fake money?

i.e Is he lying?....

If he was lying, the subsequent consequences of his lies could be discussed and speculated about forever.

In short, the facts are:

For N1 to admit any wrong doing would be suicidal - It just wont happen.

For Roshtein to admit, well that could see him run into the ground or even rise to stardom, coming clean about the so called murky world, but again - it just wont happen.

For anybody to prove otherwise there needs to be evidence - again, just wont happen.

@Jono777 was correct and we are bashing our heads against a brick wall.

Seriously bowing out now. Cant see any resolution, just more going round in circles and diversions off of the subject which was actually......

Is Roshtein using fake money?

Is he lying about his arrangement?

Is there a special account set up with N1?

 

[Kroffe]

Signing up by an affiliate in the first place is really dumb. But it's appearantly the only way to 'obtain' whatever deal comes with that. I've bin doing something in the past with affiliating too, before this streaming and all became big. The revenue is just blazing high at 40 to 60% of a player's deposit vs loss. I understand why half the internet on any public medium is being bombed right now, even targetting problem gamblers that would bypass gamestop and such.

Really, problem gamblers need to learn how to get a hold on themself, and stop believing in the fairytales that people are spreading out. The reality is that 85% of online gamblers is going to lose just like any other pyramid scheme. I have a better chance winning at landbased on a avg of 400 euro compared to online to be honest.

And leaving with 2 grand is always better then having a tilt and depositng way more then you had planned in the first place. That's how online slots are designed. Oh you almost had it.

Why is it really dumb to sign up via an affiliate to get a special welcome bonus at a site?
Ive only done it once, but i fail to see whats so stupid about it.
And doesnt landbased casinos offer waaaay lower rtp on their slots?


Really wish all this discussion could get a thread of its own, instead of using my LUCKY-DICE© thread to discuss a bunch of unrelated things-

 

[nikantw]

........

Is Roshtein using fake money? There is proof that games are on real mode (N1 confirmes it, providers can also confirm)

Is he lying about his arrangement? He shows the 300% bonus, the wagering and the cashout. What more do you need?

Is there a special account set up with N1? N1 said no. Would there be any need for that with a 300% bonus?

Answers in red above. There has to be a minimum level of trust between us and the reps here.
For CM to work there has to be a level of trust and respect with any rep, especially one like @homerbert
(that means not calling a rep a liar without presenting serious proof)

 

[goatwack]

Have to say I'm pretty disappointed at people commenting on this thread, overall.

We've only managed 20 pages in four days. That's only 5 pages a day!

 

[Halvor]

Why is it really dumb to sign up via an affiliate to get a special welcome bonus at a site?
Ive only done it once, but i fail to see whats so stupid about it.
And doesnt landbased casinos offer waaaay lower rtp on their slots?


Really wish all this discussion could get a thread of its own, instead of using my LUCKY-DICE© thread to discuss a bunch of unrelated things-

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Because Bloatgoat does not like affiliates. nothing more nothing less.

 

[Kroffe]

Have to say I'm pretty disappointed at people commenting on this thread, overall.

We've only managed 20 pages in four days. That's only 5 pages a day!

Gonna take forever to reach post #20 000 at this rate.

 

[Degen]

This is a ridiculous thread size and I think casino meister should take a responsible stand here and lock this.
People new to the forum might see 20 page thread and think they want a piece of the pie too, who knows what nonsense threads might be next.

 

[goatwack]

Anyone left in the known universe left to comment please do so now, or forever hold your peace

 

[bamberfishcake]

Answers in red above. There has to be a minimum level of trust between us and the reps here.
For CM to work there has to be a level of trust and respect with any rep, especially one like @homerbert
(that means not calling a rep a liar without presenting serious proof)

Just for the record I dont recall calling anybody a liar.

Trust is also built not earnt automatically for me, maybe thats wrong but thats the way I am as a result of life experience.

Have a good bank holiday!

Edit: Sorry @goatwack didnt see your post......................breath forever held now regardless of any comments or questions on my postings. If anybody is really bothered about the lack of reply feel free to pm. Peace!

 

[colinsunderland]

Signing up by an affiliate in the first place is really dumb.

Genuinely interested to hear the reasons for that?
Your percentages for what an affiliate earns are way out too in most cases.

 

[Borgie]

Anyone left in the known universe left to comment please do so now, or forever hold your peace

I'm contacting ET he has a lot of friends who could join in this debate. The clangers for example!

 

[goatwack]

I'm contacting ET he has a lot of friends who could join in this debate. The clangers for example!

I've PMd ALF and linked him to this thread

 

[Borgie]

I've PMd ALF and linked him to this thread

Aww I loved ALF ...

 

[kokorock]

I'm just surprised you guys let it slip by. but for representative to call out other streamers as defense for their own is pretty weak move.

 

[nutnut]

I'm trying very hard to be OUTRAGED, annoyed, DISGUSTED, AND.............care... but I just can't.

This has to be the most OTT thread that has ever existed on here. But I do love the reps type of responses, it's like hes sitting at home getting drunk in a thong just replying casually but enough casual to keep people replying wanting more. He's probably loving the attention for his brand.

 

[Jono777]

Gonna take forever to reach post #20 000 at this rate.

Trouble is the prize for that post is 'fun money' and you have to wager it once, live on stream with a minimum bet of 20.00 credits

 

[Kroffe]

Trouble is the prize for that post is 'fun money' and you have to wager it once, live on stream with a minimum bet of 20.00 credits

The stakes i play are so low, so its basically fun-money i play with anyway.
And for the stream bit, all i have to do is put on some clothes, easy peasy!

 

[mariafbb]

 

[ecopac]

Just another thought, the other day he was hosted by another streamer called MontanaBlack and he hosted him with 60k viewers - this meant at one time over 80k people were watching him do a bonus hunt. For a period of time, he was the biggest streamer on Twitch with more viewers than anyone else.

MontanaBlack is a gaming streamer, Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto etc so it would be fair to assume a lot of his audience are either under age or at the age where they may be starting to gamble online, I do wonder what the reason is that he hosts a casino streamer?