Roshstein outed himself as fake?

[SpinUk]

Through conversations with reliable people, I have learned that Roshtein has operated with a deal where only 5% of the money he plays with is actually his, and he also has a max cashout of something like 5x the deposit amount. Meaning if it says Roshtein deposited €2000 with a 300% bonus (€8000 starting balance), he actually only deposited €100, and has a max cashout of €500. And that’s only with some casinos. With others he has another deal, where he plays exclusively with demo accounts. I know for a fact through an insider who works at N1 he’s got a very rigged deal specifically with N1 casino, where he puts absolutely no money down for any of his “deposits”.

But N1 denied all this and said its a “normal” account.

It would be insanity to allow him to cash out from those bonuses, he would be hitting them for well into 6 or 7 figures ON TOP of his affiliate income.

This is why its irritating to be told that there is nothing unusual his account, its a normal account etc yes he gets bonuses but its his own money we match them with etc.

 

[Borgie]

Think he has been live all day.

I checked YT hours ago and he had a 21k balance that dropped to 14k next time i looked.

He showed viewers his 2k deposit for today. And how he was trying to wager 270k which i think he met.

So f*ck knows how much of a bonus he got for that wagering. Giving that it is real money to start off course.

And know i don't watch streams just this thread made me curious if he was on YT lol.

I don't think he actually live ... probably some pillock restreaming one of his old streams I assume with their own links . Roshtein streams on twitch too and hes not been on there this weekend.

 

[homerbert]

But N1 denied all this and said its a “normal” account.

It would be insanity to allow him to cash out from those bonuses, he would be hitting them for well into 6 or 7 figures ON TOP of his affiliate income.

This is why its irritating to be told that there is nothing unusual his account, its a normal account etc yes he gets bonuses but its his own money we match them with etc.

Hey mate!

Because it's fu**ing normal account.

Remember, I can see backend, I can see stats, I can see transactions. And what other people here can see?

Br,

V.

 

[slotmaster]

I don't think he actually live ... probably some pillock restreaming one of his old streams I assume with their own links . Roshtein streams on twitch too and hes not been on there this weekend.

Ya that's the other problem or issue, people using other videos for their gain like right now somebody is trying to cash in on the dog the bounty hunter tragedy by nicking episodes, It's pretty sad and disgusting.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Because it's fu**ing normal account.

Was bowing out, but.......really?!!!

Language barrier or not, nobody has sworn that I can see

 

[Slottery]

We can have 'a joke fight' if you want. I'm ready

And like someone pointed in this thread - due to my english you will not get any of my jokes. But who cares?

I'm okay to any jokes mate, if it's not touch my family or people close to me, so go ahead mate!

Didn't mean to anyohw comment your post but 100% not related to you, maybe to post you quoted, nobody knows as didn't post it.

Only posted this to you to know that didn't mean to post anything related to you @homerbert I was about to continue this escalated thread with childish joke, but was able to not to. With you would be too boring to have "fights" in this thread because you keep and don't get upset, what's the point in trolling then?

 

[mack341]

I don't think he actually live ... probably some pillock restreaming one of his old streams I assume with their own links . Roshtein streams on twitch too and hes not been on there this weekend.

The channel I found on youtube 'roshtein live' or something had some unusual videos in the channel playlist, but then again it's rosh so anything is possible

 

[smart_croatia]

seeing his face and tilt made my day UUPSSS

 

[trancemonkey]

Thank you for your fact based opinion. You have full right for that. Just said that many people might take it as an accusion if they are thought be so dump that they repeat everything what they see in internet.

Problem gamblers are having their problem, but how many people who are not problem gamblers start right away to deposit £30k and make £30 spins because some funny looking guy in internet did?

You are quite strongly having your opinions to only correct and and as said, you have full right of it, but maybe read everything again after couple of days and see if you still want to go on to this debate which have quite fanatic sides and opinions. Can't really see not too many very constructive posts here lately anymore.

That really don't give full professional picture that you are the person who only is cabable to understand problem gamblers when you argue your point with oneliner like that. Have seen much better posts from you, maybe that you told was your last to that thread should have been that as quality these really is not increasing. Not mean to offend, just not really great conversation when only one opinion is allowed and all others replied like this, if nothing more constructive willing to share, would it be one option not to post at all?

I am not offended, and I'm not and have never suggested that my knowledge of problem gambling and responsible gambling is the only authority...

But what you are saying is demonstrably false. No of course people don't start gambling and instantly go nuts... it is nearly always a process, but not everyone that watches streamers is a first time gambler, not everyone is a problem gambler, and not everyone will try and copy him.

It's all about protecting vulnerable people.

 

[kokorock]

dont mind me

 

[trancemonkey]

I am certainly not out for an argument.

You make some valid points but your denial that slot designers / providers have no responsibility when it comes to bet sizes is just astonishing. I used those videos as examples where high bet sizes are used to advertise the slot. The last video I provided had a "shitty" 20x win but looks impressive with £600+ flashing on the screen. It would have been £20 if played at £1 - less impressive perhaps?

And that is the point I am making.... Roshtein does high bets for a purpose. IGT does them too for a purpose. Both are wrong.

I think you'll find I have never denied games providers have responsibility....

Just out of interest, in that show reel, how long does it go on for, how many people's crazed reactions do you see, and how many spins are played in the video?

It is hardly comparable is it?

 

[trancemonkey]

Hey mate!

Because it's fu**ing normal account.

Remember, I can see backend, I can see stats, I can see transactions. And what other people here can see?

Br,

V.

I understand your frustration, but as a rep. you really should try and keep the f-words out of your posts....

 

[colinsunderland]

I understand your frustration, but as a rep. you really should try and keep the f-words out of your posts....

Lucky I'm not a rep, cos if I'd been accused of being a liar like he has, I would have said it long before now

 

[Borgie]

The channel I found on youtube 'roshtein live' or something had some unusual videos in the channel playlist, but then again it's rosh so anything is possible

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Rosh is weird but pretty surec that's not his channel. If hes live he will be live on twitch too so should be able to see that way

 

[dunover]

I am certainly not out for an argument.

You make some valid points but your denial that slot designers / providers have no responsibility when it comes to bet sizes is just astonishing. I used those videos as examples where high bet sizes are used to advertise the slot. The last video I provided had a "shitty" 20x win but looks impressive with £600+ flashing on the screen. It would have been £20 if played at £1 - less impressive perhaps?

And that is the point I am making.... Roshtein does high bets for a purpose. IGT does them too for a purpose. Both are wrong.

You buy a new car in the UK and it likely has a top speed of 140 mph, yet you cannot drive it over 70 mph legally. Go to Germany in it, you can. Yet the product has the same specification for all markets, it's uniform. Manufacture and regulation are two quite different entities.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Lucky I'm not a rep, cos if I'd been accused of being a liar like he has, I would have said it long before now

Well, to be fair, I could come on here and claim I'm a millionaire. Unfortunately, the only 'back end' I'd be talking out of is mine.

Not for one minute saying that the rep isn't telling the truth (as I'd like to trust any rep's word) but anyone can make any claim. The claim only becomes valid once there's evidence to back it up

 

[slotmaster]

On a lighter note, Does anyone else wish they had casinomeister stocks right now as this thread alone has driven the value of this forum up by who knows how much extra beer money for Bryan.

 

[Slottery]

I am not offended, and I'm not and have never suggested that my knowledge of problem gambling and responsible gambling is the only authority...

But what you are saying is demonstrably false. No of course people don't start gambling and instantly go nuts... it is nearly always a process, but not everyone that watches streamers is a first time gambler, not everyone is a problem gambler, and not everyone will try and copy him.

It's all about protecting vulnerable people.

We can agree that it's demonstrably true that some people watching stream can lead to problem gambling and for some it doesn't. There's no need to argue for that Here have been quite many topics which have quite well proven that in this forum or probably nor any others, 100% same opinion can't be reached until how far protecting people is ideal to go.

I could strongly assume that there are no such a person in this world who could make that judgement and be exactly right, these ongoing conversations and trying to figure out where exactly that line in everything should be written and there will not be. I fully respect that we all have our own opinions in that and that there is no absolute truth in that found and will not be but only opinions.

As long we are living in at least almost free world for opinions, let's allow all have their own.

Peace for all and we and one opinion i assume all here share, problem gambling exists and is serious issue.

 

[Kroffe]

Since this thread have gathered so much attention, i figure i might as well advertise my dice-game here.
I call it LUCKY-DICE©, and its very easy to play.
You send your bet to me via paypal, minimum bet is $10 000 and that is also the maximum bet, so no complicated deal there with different stakes.
Supereasy and superfun.
You choose a number between 1 and 6, and i will, in a totally random fashion, see what the number is with one of these!
(thats not me, thats one of my supercool dealers, i call them Diceguys)

If your guess is correct, you will win 50 x your bet, wich is $500 000, and will be paid instantly.
Supereasy, superfun.
Sounds to good to be true? I thought you might say that, so here are some things happy customers have said about LUCKY-DICE©

So what are you waiting for, try out your skills today!

LUCKY-DICE© For the cool cats!

 

[SteveBr]

I’d like to try it out first mate, you got a demo version?

 

[Kroffe]

I’d like to try it out first mate, you got a demo version?

Sorry, i only offer real play.
What you can do, to get a feel for what its like to play, is get a dice of your own and try to guess the outcome before you roll it.

And i feel that i should add, despite saying the game is for cool cats, no animals besides humans are actually allowed to make bets.
Peta made sure of that, stupid peta.

 

[SteveBr]

That’s a shame, I have a really cool cat called Kitty and she got so excited playing with the dice. She’ll be gutted she isn’t allowed to play your game.

I was just about to transfer you the money too.

 

[Kroffe]

That’s a shame, I have a really cool cat called Kitty and she got so excited playing with the dice. She’ll be gutted she isn’t allowed to play your game.

I was just about to transfer you the money too.

Wait.. Why would you transfer me the money if Kitty is the one playing?
I got a feline you are trying to run some kind of scam here.. Shared accounts are not allowed at KroffeCasino.
I may be outside most of the "normal" licenses and jurisdictions, but that does not mean i dont have rules.

 

[Bloatgoat]

HIs, 24 hours streams that are ongoing on youtube, are false, fake as well, with pure intention to lour people into his gambling affiliate links. Why ? He once said in such a stream that it was november 2017 ... And we're in 2019. It's rebranding 24/7.

 

[sufferinsilence]

HIs, 24 hours streams that are ongoing on youtube, are false, fake as well, with pure intention to lour people into his gambling affiliate links. Why ? He once said in such a stream that it was november 2017 ... And we're in 2019. It's rebranding 24/7.

Those that are "live" on YT right now are rebroadcasted and used to push affilliate links by a 3rd party, Roshtein only livestreams on Twitch. If you look for other popular streamers you'll often see those are being rebroadcasted too for the same reason.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Through conversations with reliable people, I have learned that Roshtein has operated with a deal where only 5% of the money he plays with is actually his, and he also has a max cashout of something like 5x the deposit amount. Meaning if it says Roshtein deposited €2000 with a 300% bonus (€8000 starting balance), he actually only deposited €100, and has a max cashout of €500. And that’s only with some casinos. With others he has another deal, where he plays exclusively with demo accounts. I know for a fact through an insider who works at N1 he’s got a very rigged deal specifically with N1 casino, where he puts absolutely no money down for any of his “deposits”.

For goodness sake, can anyone post some real proof for a change and not quote some "reliable people", "insiders" etc.

Post the proof if you have any, shut up if you don't! Or ask the "reliable people", "insiders" to register here and post it! And I mean not only you but your post triggered my response. All here who made accusations should provide proof, and they were all asked for it but so far - NADA, NOTHING, not a shred.

Homebert offered to show his proof to Bryan or Max. All on the other side, offered none!

This is just more pitchforks and hot air!

 

[interlog]

I think you'll find I have never denied games providers have responsibility....

Just out of interest, in that show reel, how long does it go on for, how many people's crazed reactions do you see, and how many spins are played in the video?

It is hardly comparable is it?

It is comparable as much as your earlier comparison about somebody doing crazy things on Youtube with a car are comparable.

IGT used big bet sizes to make that particular 20x win look so much better than it really was (a £600+ win is pretty nice for the majority of people that do average deposits of no more than £100 a pop, they would more than likely cash out) compared to a £20 win if played on £1 bet size.

Roshtein does big bets to attract more viewers in the hope that they will sign up through his links.

Both use big bet sizes as a tool to get what they want out of it.

 

[interlog]

Hey mate!

Because it's fu**ing normal account.

Remember, I can see backend, I can see stats, I can see transactions. And what other people here can see?

Br,

V.

But it isn't a "normal" account now isn't it. Since when do your customers get 300% deposit match bonuses with a max bet so much higher than your T's and C's state?

You use him as a tool to promote your casino and get customers through the door. He does use viewbots (just like other channels do) and part of the reason that he is popular is because of the crazy high bets that he does.

Do all of your high rollers that do not stream and get customers through the door get such favourable terms as he does? If I was a betting person, my guess would be no because it would be financially unsustainable.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Davo slots, he's a guy that falls within the category of Roshstein as well. Make a incredible 170k win or so on. I doubt if that win is even real. No ringing bells, no cheering people, no handpay alert, no visuals of what's going around the slot itself, this could be a demo system bought off from ebay as far as we know. And yeah, you can buy real slot machines from ebay and temper with the inside RNG and all that. Any salesman / dealer in used or 2nd hand slots knows how this proces works.

 

[nikantw]

.... I cant even believe I'm having to defend problem gamblers on here as if they don't exist. ...

I believe the debate is "Roshtein is responsible for all problem gambling" vs "no he isn't"

May I suggest we can find a middle ground in "no he isn't, at least not for the majority of it"?
Isn't that closer to what most of us think?

Wouldn't the world be a safer place for gamblers if they had all read the RG articles in CM?
If they all knew never to bet more than 1% of their balance?
If they all knew to play at safe places? If they all knew what RTP is?
If they all could see through the "perception" a slot gives that you can easily win big?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Those that are "live" on YT right now are rebroadcasted and used to push affilliate links by a 3rd party, Roshtein only livestreams on Twitch. If you look for other popular streamers you'll often see those are being rebroadcasted too for the same reason.

Signing up by an affiliate in the first place is really dumb. But it's appearantly the only way to 'obtain' whatever deal comes with that. I've bin doing something in the past with affiliating too, before this streaming and all became big. The revenue is just blazing high at 40 to 60% of a player's deposit vs loss. I understand why half the internet on any public medium is being bombed right now, even targetting problem gamblers that would bypass gamestop and such.

Really, problem gamblers need to learn how to get a hold on themself, and stop believing in the fairytales that people are spreading out. The reality is that 85% of online gamblers is going to lose just like any other pyramid scheme. I have a better chance winning at landbased on a avg of 400 euro compared to online to be honest.

And leaving with 2 grand is always better then having a tilt and depositng way more then you had planned in the first place. That's how online slots are designed. Oh you almost had it.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I believe the debate is "Roshtein is responsible for all problem gambling" vs "no he isn't"

Hey @nikantw this debate has turned into that but originally the debate was simply.....Is Roshtein using fake money?

i.e Is he lying?....

If he was lying, the subsequent consequences of his lies could be discussed and speculated about forever.

In short, the facts are:

For N1 to admit any wrong doing would be suicidal - It just wont happen.

For Roshtein to admit, well that could see him run into the ground or even rise to stardom, coming clean about the so called murky world, but again - it just wont happen.

For anybody to prove otherwise there needs to be evidence - again, just wont happen.

@Jono777 was correct and we are bashing our heads against a brick wall.

Seriously bowing out now. Cant see any resolution, just more going round in circles and diversions off of the subject which was actually......

Is Roshtein using fake money?

Is he lying about his arrangement?

Is there a special account set up with N1?

 

[Kroffe]

Signing up by an affiliate in the first place is really dumb. But it's appearantly the only way to 'obtain' whatever deal comes with that. I've bin doing something in the past with affiliating too, before this streaming and all became big. The revenue is just blazing high at 40 to 60% of a player's deposit vs loss. I understand why half the internet on any public medium is being bombed right now, even targetting problem gamblers that would bypass gamestop and such.

Really, problem gamblers need to learn how to get a hold on themself, and stop believing in the fairytales that people are spreading out. The reality is that 85% of online gamblers is going to lose just like any other pyramid scheme. I have a better chance winning at landbased on a avg of 400 euro compared to online to be honest.

And leaving with 2 grand is always better then having a tilt and depositng way more then you had planned in the first place. That's how online slots are designed. Oh you almost had it.

Why is it really dumb to sign up via an affiliate to get a special welcome bonus at a site?
Ive only done it once, but i fail to see whats so stupid about it.
And doesnt landbased casinos offer waaaay lower rtp on their slots?


Really wish all this discussion could get a thread of its own, instead of using my LUCKY-DICE© thread to discuss a bunch of unrelated things-

 

[nikantw]

........

Is Roshtein using fake money? There is proof that games are on real mode (N1 confirmes it, providers can also confirm)

Is he lying about his arrangement? He shows the 300% bonus, the wagering and the cashout. What more do you need?

Is there a special account set up with N1? N1 said no. Would there be any need for that with a 300% bonus?

Answers in red above. There has to be a minimum level of trust between us and the reps here.
For CM to work there has to be a level of trust and respect with any rep, especially one like @homerbert
(that means not calling a rep a liar without presenting serious proof)

 

[goatwack]

Have to say I'm pretty disappointed at people commenting on this thread, overall.

We've only managed 20 pages in four days. That's only 5 pages a day!

 

[Halvor]

Why is it really dumb to sign up via an affiliate to get a special welcome bonus at a site?
Ive only done it once, but i fail to see whats so stupid about it.
And doesnt landbased casinos offer waaaay lower rtp on their slots?


Really wish all this discussion could get a thread of its own, instead of using my LUCKY-DICE© thread to discuss a bunch of unrelated things-

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Because Bloatgoat does not like affiliates. nothing more nothing less.

 

[Kroffe]

Have to say I'm pretty disappointed at people commenting on this thread, overall.

We've only managed 20 pages in four days. That's only 5 pages a day!

Gonna take forever to reach post #20 000 at this rate.

 

[Degen]

This is a ridiculous thread size and I think casino meister should take a responsible stand here and lock this.
People new to the forum might see 20 page thread and think they want a piece of the pie too, who knows what nonsense threads might be next.

 

[goatwack]

Anyone left in the known universe left to comment please do so now, or forever hold your peace

 

[bamberfishcake]

Answers in red above. There has to be a minimum level of trust between us and the reps here.
For CM to work there has to be a level of trust and respect with any rep, especially one like @homerbert
(that means not calling a rep a liar without presenting serious proof)

Just for the record I dont recall calling anybody a liar.

Trust is also built not earnt automatically for me, maybe thats wrong but thats the way I am as a result of life experience.

Have a good bank holiday!

Edit: Sorry @goatwack didnt see your post......................breath forever held now regardless of any comments or questions on my postings. If anybody is really bothered about the lack of reply feel free to pm. Peace!

 

[colinsunderland]

Signing up by an affiliate in the first place is really dumb.

Genuinely interested to hear the reasons for that?
Your percentages for what an affiliate earns are way out too in most cases.

 

[Borgie]

Anyone left in the known universe left to comment please do so now, or forever hold your peace

I'm contacting ET he has a lot of friends who could join in this debate. The clangers for example!

 

[goatwack]

I'm contacting ET he has a lot of friends who could join in this debate. The clangers for example!

I've PMd ALF and linked him to this thread

 

[Borgie]

I've PMd ALF and linked him to this thread

Aww I loved ALF ...

 

[kokorock]

I'm just surprised you guys let it slip by. but for representative to call out other streamers as defense for their own is pretty weak move.

 

[nutnut]

I'm trying very hard to be OUTRAGED, annoyed, DISGUSTED, AND.............care... but I just can't.

This has to be the most OTT thread that has ever existed on here. But I do love the reps type of responses, it's like hes sitting at home getting drunk in a thong just replying casually but enough casual to keep people replying wanting more. He's probably loving the attention for his brand.

 

[Jono777]

Gonna take forever to reach post #20 000 at this rate.

Trouble is the prize for that post is 'fun money' and you have to wager it once, live on stream with a minimum bet of 20.00 credits

 

[Kroffe]

Trouble is the prize for that post is 'fun money' and you have to wager it once, live on stream with a minimum bet of 20.00 credits

The stakes i play are so low, so its basically fun-money i play with anyway.
And for the stream bit, all i have to do is put on some clothes, easy peasy!

 

[mariafbb]

 

[ecopac]

Just another thought, the other day he was hosted by another streamer called MontanaBlack and he hosted him with 60k viewers - this meant at one time over 80k people were watching him do a bonus hunt. For a period of time, he was the biggest streamer on Twitch with more viewers than anyone else.

MontanaBlack is a gaming streamer, Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto etc so it would be fair to assume a lot of his audience are either under age or at the age where they may be starting to gamble online, I do wonder what the reason is that he hosts a casino streamer?