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Roshstein outed himself as fake?

homerbert said:
It's like 10's post of you mate with the same statement. Seriously, can you prove it, please. I mean, SERIOUSLY. What if we will make a bet, you bet 6x of your salaries (proof of wealth provided), I bet 6x of my salaries (proof of wealth provided), and I show to independent party transactions history of Roshtein. It's real money. If I win, money which you sent BEFORE to this independent third party goes to me. I'm not 'crazy on money person', but from my 28 years of life I've noticed that only money in most cases make people think...

Ready? Set? Go?

I'm sorry if this a rude post for anyone, specially from a 'rep'. But seriously, I'm happy with having so much attention to our brand. But come on, people, some proofs? Some facts? Give me something to prove it wrong!

Br,

V.
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But what sort of challenge is this? It's David vs Goliath on steroids. Your company has access to accounts and account management capabilities whereas IMSPORTS doesn't.

In order to prove anything conclusively one way or another you'd need not only back end transaction details from yourselves but also corresponding transaction details from independent banking logs. Even then, there's nothing to say that the money that is 'deposited' by him at your casino isn't reimbursed in some kind of monthly cashback deal masquerading as or tied into affiliate income.

There could be any number of possible scenarios when it comes to deposits and withdrawals.

See how complicated it would be to prove? But I'm sure you know this.

The actual written contract he has with you would be much more telling.

Either way, this thread has gone round in circles for a fair few pages now so I'm going to bow out of it. I have nothing more to add other than I'd like to believe the rep is being 100% honest here :)
 
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Mr_Slot5 said:
The actual written contract he has with you would be much more telling.
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How easy that would be fake? One minute to print template and get it signed. If there ever would need to prove some transactions are real, that's something casino have to be able to do to satisfy MGA (in this case i assume) audits where all information relating to account need to exist and these always have 3rd parties like payment and game providers and these need to match to their logs.

Then again, they can send money in a letter or what so ever if we go far enough in proving something, not too many can be 100% proven as we see so many conspiracy theories all over, is it true even that somebody have been in moon? :)

Ps. I think it's not really responsible to make bets for 6 salaries, or if it was meant to be hour wage, then it can still be in border line but 6 days, months or years salary is really irresponsible bet size.
 
homerbert said:
And like I've explained to @Nordog in PM - yes, the problem is in 'just 50 EUR bet'. In the word just.

Guys, our promotional team (and me too) native language is not english (I know, it's sound like excuse). But for the most people with first language Russian 'just 50 EUR bet' does not mean like 'just' is something regular or small or only. In my thoughts, and I'm sure in my team thoughts, it's sounds simple like 'Roshtein won 130k with his 50 EUR bet'. Or something similar. I do not know how to explain it :D I've just won 50kkkk EUR with my bet. I'd say it like this. Just is like 'not long ago'. It's still sound as excuse. So believe or not :D

BR,

V.
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Not to be rude to you, and I'm sure you're ESL, but you need a proofreader. I'm available for a fee. PM me.
 
Hi sorry for my bad english But this video show some kind of bug error

But everyone should realize one thing - He can be in real mode But still play for virtual coins - Its simple if he have testing player account for streming only - And his affiliate menager credited him often " virtual coins to his "real mode" account" Next he is in "real mode" and he can make streams in " real mode and bring affiliate traffic without risk his own money - But main reason why peoples think he is fake is his reactions - completly not natural - Just acting for show - N1 company never will tell you yes - Roshtein is fake and they always will defending him - Why ? beacouse he is top affiliate partner for them - with deliviered Huge numbers of new customers if he got exposed with hard proof - abaout playing with virtual coins - His vievers numbers drop hard and in same time Number of new customers deliviered for their company will drop hard -so in simple words - they will lose a lot money and a lot potential future earnings from his ( huge) traffic source- so they need keep Roshtein reputation in good conditions. -

So i believe it's very simple noticed for most of us players his reactions after big wins / big loses are completely not natural - mayby young vievers gambling begginers belive he is legit but lets be serious -it's only about delivered traffic and shared commission all rest is just funny show for virtual coins.
 
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*Ring ring*

"Hi Bryan, hope you're having a good bank holiday weekend! Just thought I'd let you know about a thread that is receiving a lot of attention on CM".

"No worries m8. The sun is shining and the beer is crisp. Hit me with it, what's it about?"

"You know that guy, Rosht...."

*Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*

"Hello, you still there mate? Hello"
 
I watched 5 hours of that despicable clown on his faux pas. Thank you for this thread Helafast.

If there are backend accounts like these, remember Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker, how can anyone play races at Videoslots and others.

I saw a long-time member/? win the $2000 in reel races and this guy comes on here and talks about something else entirely different? Like it was nothing.
 
mina1929 said:
Ok I have read it all now and I am with homerbert as he stated he has proof if it came to investigation and that is enough for me. :)

This is going around in circles and starting to make not much sense anymore.

People please be nice. I am going to join KroffeCasino, sounds good to me ;) :D
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NICE! My firs... i mean, yet another player joins the casino!
It is a one man operation my casino, so all you need to do to sign up is pm me all your personal info.
We are talking Age,height,favoritemovies,ifyoulikelongwalksonthebeach,phonenumber, etc. All the usual stuff.

Looking forward to hearing from you! ;)

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homerbert said:
Hey guys!

I've requested copy of email from customer, but for some reason I think it's indeed email from our team.

Well, personally (my personal opinion) - it's walking on thin ice. Newsletter does not encourage customers to make 50 EUR bets, it's just states that Roshtein got lucky. I think we all agree that saying like 'Roshtein won 130k EUR and you can be next - make deposit' - is still bad too. But it was honest - he won 130k EUR with 50EUR bet. And while some other casinos make such emails 'fake' (no one ever had such win, like 'Brian won 500k and you can do too!'), I don't want to see such emails from us. I can confirm that this email is OK with MGA regulations (not with UKGC of course, that's why some of you folks so angry), but still. Email can be better. Wording can be better. And safer.

If you want - you can do witch hunt. I'm okay with that. But seriously, I don't think it's that bad. And it's have nothing to do with 'fake money' from Roshtein.

My apologies if such email somehow turned anyone to become gambling addict or forces to lose a lot of money. I want to remind you that you can set deposit, bet, wager limit at any given time at your profile. More than this, you can set cooling-off / self-exclusion period in your profile at any time.

Br,

V.
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Your casino knows exactly what they're doing. You are using this chap as a tool to promote your casino and get customers through the door. You offer him terms that allows him to do big bets to attract more viewers and in turn new customers through the door and then use his brand to promote your casino further in an email campaign that makes it sound that anybody can have these life changing wins, when in reality it is not going to happen to the readers of the email.

This is about ethics. Poor ethics on behalf of your casino and would make me very reluctant signing up if I could.

It is my understanding that casinos are (in)directly responsible for the actions of their affiliates. You are in cahoots with him.
 
Kroffe said:
NICE! My firs... i mean, yet another player joins the casino!
It is a one man operation my casino, so all you need to do to sign up is pm me all your personal info.
We are talking Age,height,favoritemovies,ifyoulikelongwalksonthebeach,phonenumber, etc. All the usual stuff.

Looking forward to hearing from you! ;)

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Wow that's awesome, hope you get accredited real soon my fave rep ;)
 
interlog said:
Your casino knows exactly what they're doing. You are using this chap as a tool to promote your casino and get customers through the door. You offer him terms that allows him to do big bets to attract more viewers and in turn new customers through the door and then use his brand to promote your casino further in an email campaign that makes it sound that anybody can have these life changing wins, when in reality it is not going to happen to the readers of the email.

This is about ethics. Poor ethics on behalf of your casino and would make me very reluctant signing up if I could.

It is my understanding that casinos are (in)directly responsible for the actions of their affiliates. You are in cahoots with him.
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Are you saying he gets wins specially delivered to him aswell?
Saying "it wont happen to the readers of the email" is a lie, no? It probably wont happen, but it could.
Sure, a 2000x + hit is not common, but still a hell of a lot more common than winning the jackpot at any given jackpotslot.
And more or less all casinos advertise them with "will you be the next winner!??!?!" "Mega moolah is up to xmillions now, you can be the next winner"
etc.
Getting a 130k hit on €50 bet is much more likely to happen than ever hitting the jackpot for several millions, so where is the outrage on all the casinos so shamefully advertising their jackpotslots?

Nah, since no proof has been shown to show otherwise, im team homerbert all the way.

Dont you stream and advertise casinos aswell?
"What i do is evil, but they are even evilerer than me, wich is wrong"

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mina1929 said:
Wow that's awesome, hope you get accredited real soon my fave rep ;)
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Since i work outside all jurisdicitions and licenses, getting accredited might prove difficult.
I will try to send some beer Bryans way, and see if that might move things along.
 
mina1929 said:
Wow that's awesome, hope you get accredited real soon my fave rep ;)
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He's the rep. The customer service. The accounts. The audit. The source of wealth collector. ( the more wealth you have for him to collect the better lol ) he's all things to all his customers .... well you mina as you are the only one lol. This is like a horror film. Dont go down to the basement lol :axeman: :lolup::)
 
Borgie said:
He's the rep. The customer service. The accounts. The audit. The source of wealth collector. ( the more wealth you have for him to collect the better lol ) he's all things to all his customers .... well you mina as you are the only one lol. This is like a horror film. Dont go down to the basement lol :axeman: :lolup::)
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Bu..but thats where i keep all the good slotmachines.
Plus, theres a sweet old lady down there giving out hugs!
I dont even pay her to do it, she has always been there doing it. Always..


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mina1929 said:
I thought it was a horror themed casino, my bad :laugh:
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I did run a horror theme for a while, but there was an incident, and the man playing the ghost sued me.
But since you are a VIP, i will downl...buy a bunch of horror-movies for you to enjoy while you stay at Hotel Kroffe.

ghost.gif
 
Kroffe said:
NICE! My firs... i mean, yet another player joins the casino!
It is a one man operation my casino, so all you need to do to sign up is pm me all your personal info.
We are talking Age,height,favoritemovies,ifyoulikelongwalksonthebeach,phonenumber, etc. All the usual stuff.

Looking forward to hearing from you! ;)

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Your casino sounds like pooh hun, eeyore to be able to see that a mile off, stop trying to robin her of her money.
 
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steveh35 said:
Your casino sounds like pooh hun, eeyore to be able to see that a mile off, stop trying to robin him of his money.
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Why are you calling Mina a "him", do you know something i dont?
Owl be seeing you in court for your slander. Will probably drive there in my Jagular.
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Kroffe said:
Are you saying he gets wins specially delivered to him aswell?
Saying "it wont happen to the readers of the email" is a lie, no? It probably wont happen, but it could.
Sure, a 2000x + hit is not common, but still a hell of a lot more common than winning the jackpot at any given jackpotslot.
And more or less all casinos advertise them with "will you be the next winner!??!?!" "Mega moolah is up to xmillions now, you can be the next winner"
etc.
Getting a 130k hit on €50 bet is much more likely to happen than ever hitting the jackpot for several millions, so where is the outrage on all the casinos so shamefully advertising their jackpotslots?

Nah, since no proof has been shown to show otherwise, im team homerbert all the way.

Dont you stream and advertise casinos aswell?
"What i do is evil, but they are even evilerer than me, wich is wrong"

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I never said anything about his wins being credited.

I am questioning the ethics.

Never said or hinted he plays with fake money either.

I stream my play but what has that to do with what is being discussed here?

But hey you keep posting silly gifs
 
But hey you keep posting silly gifs
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As this thread as gone as far as its ever going to and is actually now about loads of different things, none of which will ever get resolved - I am all for silly gifs to lighten the day !
All its achieved is people on here taking swipes at each other ! I'm sure Rosh isnt bothered in the slightest !
 
Oscar Arnhem said:
@homerbert ,i am Not a streamer but can i get the same bonus(300%) on every deposit and No max bet?

Regards osvar
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Hey mate!

You should understand that it is very special bonus for Roshtein. Because he is big affiliate, good streamer, and refer a lot of people in our casino. If you ready to do the same - yes, we can give you such bonus, just contact our affiliates team.

Nice try, seriously, but you must understand that it's about business.

Same with VIP players - yep, they get better offer than other regular customers. It's a secret for industry?

Br,

V.
 
Oscar Arnhem said:
@homerbert ,i am Not a streamer but can i get the same bonus(300%) on every deposit and No max bet?

Regards osvar
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Its not just N1. For example - the majority of streamers who stream for casumo will get a deposit bonus on every single deposit - thats not what the average punter gets - its business at the end of the day - its not a secret - its the way it is . So we either accept it or move along as it is what it is what it is .
 
Nordog said:
But n1 advertise it as just 50€ and that everyone should try it to be the next big winner
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What a responsible advert...

"Just €50..."

As if that is some small amount anyone can afford.

#facepalm
 
Roshtein Streming fom 6-7? Years like a highroller any during this time period he NEVER play in single high quality casino - Only advertise and play during streming in same time in low quality casinos with bad reputation called - Multilotto - And next his secund choice was secund low quality casino with bad reputation caled VIKS

So High Roller choose for play 2 Bad quality casinos in row with bad reputation and low max cash out limits -
It's so obvious - every Highroller in web first choice for play is a) casino with bad reputation b) with low max cashauts limits c) casino with only one game provider - When he play in Multilotto in this casino only game provider was Playngo with litteraly few old slots

Its worth mentioned he never play in single good quality casino from top. - Only low quality casinos
 
Borgie said:
Its not just N1. For example - the majority of streamers who stream for casumo will get a deposit bonus on every single deposit - thats not what the average punter gets - its business at the end of the day - its not a secret - its the way it is . So we either accept it or move along as it is what it is what it is .
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But at least those streamers are subjected to the same max bet rule unlike Rosh who gets such a deal it allows him to bet so high. And that is the issue being discussed.
 
interlog said:
But at least those streamers are subjected to the same max bet rule unlike Rosh who gets such a deal it allows him to bet so high. And that is the issue being discussed.
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No its just one of the issues being discussed - there are quite a few in this thread, fake not fake, special account, real account, has a deal where he only deposits part himself , etc etc etc

What is obvious is many people dont like Rosh, dont like N1 , dont like streamers in general

But overall .. this thread is achieving zip all !!
 
interlog said:
I never said anything about his wins being credited.

I am questioning the ethics.

Never said or hinted he plays with fake money either.

I stream my play but what has that to do with what is being discussed here?

But hey you keep posting silly gifs
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My point was that a streamer complaining about the ethics of other streamer or casinos sounds a bit weird to me.
Or do you think because you promote casinos in a way that you think is morally and ethical, you dont produce addicts and lead people into addiction that ruin their lives?

Im selling cocain, but i only advertise it by doing a little bit myself. So surely none of the people that start doing cocaine because of me will ever feel the need to ramp up their usage, right?
Good thing they didnt start using because of cocaine-mike down the street, because he does loads of cocaine when he advertises it.
And that is wrong.

And i will keep posting my silly gifs thank you very much. =)

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Edit: Oh and about the wins, what you did say was It wont happen to the readers of the email, wich it could. Probably wont, but could.
 
ecopac said:
He hasn't played at MultiLotto for years though, and he now plays at an accredited casino?
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And ? Im talking abaout his same behaviours and bissnes strategy from beggining

1. Find casino where you can get an approved affiliate agreement for play for their - company money on the stream
2. Show for vievers community high bets and deliviered high numbers of customers from affiliate without risk his own money for deposits.
3. Share commision beetwen him and partner/ company

You think Any Legit Highroller - Will decided Play in Casino called Multilotto with 50 € bets per spin - when in web was Huge number other good high quality casinos with good reputation? But for him the best place for play with 50 € per spin was casino with bad reputation - with one slots provider - and with literally maybe 20 slots (in this time in Multilotto was just few slots in site - thats all) - And they was well knowed from low max cashauts limits - long payments time period - and all other mess - But this was not problem for him ..

And after 1-2 years playing only in this low quality casino with 50€ bets per spin - he moved to next casino he make new affiliate deal ( same strategy - got aproved for set up testing player account for streaming for virtual money ) and this time he decided - The best place for him legit Highroller will be VIKS secund casino with bad reputation low max cashuts limits.........

Same story . - Again - Casino with bad reputation - low limits - and his 50€ Bets per spin on stream ..

Do you serious belive - Any Legit Highroler chose for play 50€ per spin 2 shitty casinos in row ? for - period around 2 Years ? and keep playing always only in this 2 low quality casinos without single try just one High Quality casino ?

- He was play in this 2 casinos beacouse - He dont care abaout his own gambling results - about their bad reputations and low max cashouts limits - The only point was recived affiliate agrements to play for their money on his testing players account for streams only and bring affiliate trafic for casino without risk his own money to deposits.

This was his strategy from begining and during this time he still not learn how show real gambling player reactions - His reactions after lose - big wins always same -acting to make funny show - Never acting like real gambler .

And now he work for acredited N1 company - so if you watching him from beggining is very easy match the puzzle and get simple conclusion .
 
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Kroffe said:
My point was that a streamer complaining about the ethics of other streamer or casinos sounds a bit weird to me.
Or do you think because you promote casinos in a way that you think is morally and ethical, you dont produce addicts and lead people into addiction that ruin their lives?

Im selling cocain, but i only advertise it by doing a little bit myself. So surely none of the people that start doing cocaine because of me will ever feel the need to ramp up their usage, right?
Good thing they didnt start using because of cocaine-mike down the street, because he does loads of cocaine when he advertises it.
And that is wrong.

And i will keep posting my silly gifs thank you very much. =)

Edit: Oh and about the wins, what you did say was It wont happen to the readers of the email, wich it could. Probably wont, but could.
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You're really comparing cocaine (an illegal substance) with promoting a legal activity such as gambling?

You're not getting that when you're promoting gambling that you take responsibility for doing it legally and ethically. So, yes, if I compare myself to Rosh we are miles apart. The rep of N1 already said that the advertisement that they sent out via email that includes Rosh would not be compliant to ASA standards so it would be illegal in their eyes. And I already touched on the whole ethics regarding the Rosh/N1 Casino relationship.
 
Borgie said:
No its just one of the issues being discussed - there are quite a few in this thread, fake not fake, special account, real account, has a deal where he only deposits part himself , etc etc etc

What is obvious is many people dont like Rosh, dont like N1 , dont like streamers in general

But overall .. this thread is achieving zip all !!
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All connected. If he did £0.50 spins he would never get the number of viewers that he gets and this topic would not exist. Nobody would have heard of him.

He is popular simply because he does crazy high bets. Whether he plays with real money, fake money, special accounts etc. etc. is a side issue.

The key is that he is getting help from the casino (one way or another) to make these high bets because without that help he would not financially be able to do it for such a sustained period of time. Simple as.
 
interlog said:
You're really comparing cocaine (an illegal substance) with promoting a legal activity such as gambling?

You're not getting that when you're promoting gambling that you take responsibility for doing it legally and ethically. So, yes, if I compare myself to Rosh we are miles apart. The rep of N1 already said that the advertisement that they sent out via email that includes Rosh would not be compliant to ASA standards so it would be illegal in their eyes. And I already touched on the whole ethics regarding the Rosh/N1 Casino relationship.
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Im comparing advertising something addicting with advertising something addicting.
Lets swap cocaine for cigarettes, if cocaine being illegal somehow made you miss the point.
And how can you call what you do ethical? Just because its legal?
So an ethical way to ruin lives then? Or are we pretending that nobody that starts gambling because of you ends up in trouble?

Trying to take a moral high-ground vs a streamer or a casino, and then turning around and promoting gambling yourself just reads like a bad joke to me.
 
Kroffe said:
Im comparing advertising something addicting with advertising something addicting.
Lets swap cocaine for cigarettes, if cocaine being illegal somehow made you miss the point.
And how can you call what you do ethical? Just because its legal?
So an ethical way to ruin lives then? Or are we pretending that nobody that starts gambling because of you ends up in trouble?

Trying to take a moral high-ground vs a streamer or a casino, and then turning around and promoting gambling yourself just reads like a bad joke to me.
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You are totally missing the point.

I have no problem with anybody advertising gambling providing that it is done in the right manner. Rosh / N1's manner are not right, the whole point of this discussion.

If you want to discuss whether any promotion of gambling should or shouldn't be allowed, then perhaps make a separate topic on it :)
 
interlog said:
He is popular simply because he does crazy high bets. Whether he plays with real money, fake money, special accounts etc. etc. is a side issue.
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Says enough about his viewers then...Get in there and have a quick fix just like having a shot of heroine...
Only slotting is deemed legal...

And yes I agree with you that is is irrelevant whether it is his own money or the casinos money.
 

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