Roshstein outed himself as fake?

I stumbled across that mo guy by mistake and watched, his chat would say things like "Nice win!", "good luck on bonus". Yet he was only spinning and never hit a bonus or any big hit while this was being said in chat LOL!
 
From what I know MontanaBlack88 is not fake
He just gets a insanely good bonus once in a while

MontanaBlack88 is hugely popular video game streamer from Germany who makes millions per year. He's not fake - just an idiot for showing kids that watch him play Fortnite how to gamble huge stakes. :(

Sad, but definitely not fake money with this guy.
 
You are totally missing the point.

I have no problem with anybody advertising gambling providing that it is done in the right manner. Rosh / N1's manner are not right, the whole point of this discussion.

If you want to discuss whether any promotion of gambling should or shouldn't be allowed, then perhaps make a separate topic on it :)

No matter how one promotes gambling, it will cause people to go bankrupt.
You cannot ethically advertise casino any more than you can advertise cocaine ethically.

Atleast the guy who blows (pun) his lifesavings on cocaine and hookers will have a helluva time doing it.
The guy blowing his lifesavings chasing the moolah jackpot or whatever will just live in misery from the first lost deposit until the money runs out.

Just because something is legal does not make it right.
 
I have never watched slot streamers or Roshstein but I think I might after this thread :eek:

Goddam the power of advertizing

Advertising eh?

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Fuck me that's taken me 30 minutes to read I! NEVER GETTING IT BACK, all I have to say is, the way he acted when he notice hes *real* balance was showing in demo is all the proof I need you could see it in he's body lanague he.fucked up.
 
No matter how one promotes gambling, it will cause people to go bankrupt.
You cannot ethically advertise casino any more than you can advertise cocaine ethically.

Atleast the guy who blows (pun) his lifesavings on cocaine and hookers will have a helluva time doing it.
The guy blowing his lifesavings chasing the moolah jackpot or whatever will just live in misery from the first lost deposit until the money runs out.

Just because something is legal does not make it right.

So how do you expect casinos to get customers signing up without some form of advertising? How did you find out about the casino(s) you signed up at?

Your continuous comparison with cocaine is just laughable.
 
So how do you expect casinos to get customers signing up without some form of advertising? How did you find out about the casino(s) you signed up at?

Your continuous comparison with cocaine is just laughable.

Why is comparing something addictive with something addictive laughable?
Does it really matter if i compare it to alcohol,tobacco, or drugs?

And do you really feel so bad for the casinos that you feel you need to take it upon yourself to help them advertise?
I think they would manage even if you did not help them.

You say its ok as long as its done right, and you bring up ethics.
How do you sleep at night knowing that you contribute to people ruining their lives?
Atleast Roshtein is getting alot of money for abandoning his empathy,morals,compassion etc. (i assume)
And i can see how that would tempt people, greed does horrible things to people.
How much do you get paid to help create tomorrows problem gamblers?
Or maybe that is something you dont want people to know?
 
Oi !! The dice game is too adictive and I will bring more customers to you so don't be mean :(:p

But the dicegame is like the only game i have that you can only play online.
The whole point of the dice-game is me being able to control what i show to the players.
I cant afford to pay 50x stake on a 1 in 6 chance to win if i do it honestly.

Now that you know this, im afraid i must let you stay indefinitely in the basement.
Atleast until i figure something out.
In the meantime, please look at this cool frog, and focus really hard on forgetting what i just told you.

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But the dicegame is like the only game i have that you can only play online.
The whole point of the dice-game is me being able to control what i show to the players.
I cant afford to pay 50x stake on a 1 in 6 chance to win if i do it honestly.

Now that you know this, im afraid i must let you stay indefinitely in the basement.
Atleast until i figure something out.
In the meantime, please look at this cool frog, and focus really hard on forgetting what i just told you.

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Omg my head :laugh:
 
Why is comparing something addictive with something addictive laughable?
Does it really matter if i compare it to alcohol,tobacco, or drugs?

And do you really feel so bad for the casinos that you feel you need to take it upon yourself to help them advertise?
I think they would manage even if you did not help them.

You say its ok as long as its done right, and you bring up ethics.
How do you sleep at night knowing that you contribute to people ruining their lives?
Atleast Roshtein is getting alot of money for abandoning his empathy,morals,compassion etc. (i assume)
And i can see how that would tempt people, greed does horrible things to people.
How much do you get paid to help create tomorrows problem gamblers?
Or maybe that is something you dont want people to know?

I'm not sure this is a fair way of debating an issue, it's happened a lot in this thread, questioning the validity of a forum member's view because they also have a link to the industry, when they are simply arguing that irresponsible gambling in streams should be curtailed.

As eggs is eggs some sort of control and rules will come in if the industry doesn't self regulate the streamers, whether it be ukgc and youtube or twitch etc... saying enough's enough. In the uk it'll probably only take a few mp's to be sent a video link of extreme gambling, or someone commits suicide due to gambling losses and they're found to have all the streamer channels bookmarked on their tablet etc..

It won't matter if the majority find it entertaining and are not lead on, what influences people is a complex area, there'll be a multitude of causes but the streamers will play a part in influencing many viewers/ gamblers to experiment with high stakes. Personal responsibility is important but governing bodies can't rely on that if other factors are working actively against it in terms of influence/big wins clickbait etc..

I think dunover was sent a long list of do's and dont's by his affliate managers for his compliation videos, I'm not sure though whether there was anything about high stakes. [roulette and table games are possibly a tricky area as the stakes tend to be much higher but fewer gambles are made compared to playing a slot ] But obviously the industry is aware the streams and videos do influence the public.

If the high stakes/extreme streamer is playing with the casino's money on a 1:3 or 1:5 basis, the casino is facilitating the broadcast of irresponsible gambling in order to drive sign ups. I think it's as simple as that. Gambling is always going to cause harm, that's unavoidable but casinos and advertisers (streamers) shouldn't act in a way that will potentially increase that harm across the board.

I think if roshtein gambled on more sensible stakes, I believe most of his fans would still enjoy it for his comedic ways and personality.

Theoretically, I suppose, the stakes options on a slot above £2 could be locked/greyed out unless and until sufficient proof has been provided that the higher stakes can be afforded, (also periodically the checks would need to be repeated) that would be one way to reduce the big tilting sessions, though even at £2 you can lose thousands in a few hours. (and many hundreds at 40/80p :oops:)
 
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I'm not sure this is a fair way of debating an issue, it's happened a lot in this thread, questioning the validity of a forum member's view because they also have a link to the industry, when they are simply arguing that irresponsible gambling in streams should be curtailed.

As eggs is eggs some sort of control and rules will come in if the industry doesn't self regulate the streamers, whether it be ukgc and youtube or twitch etc... saying enough's enough. In the uk it'll probably only take a few mp's to be sent a video link of extreme gambling, or someone commits suicide due to gambling losses and they're found to have all the streamer channels bookmarked on their tablet etc..

It won't matter if the majority find it entertaining and are not lead on, what influences people is a complex area, there'll be a multitude of causes but the streamers will play a part in influencing many viewers/ gamblers to experiment with high stakes. Personal responsibility is important but governing bodies can't rely on that if other factors are working actively against it in terms of influence/big wins clickbait etc..

I think dunover was sent a long list of do's and dont's by his affliate managers for his compliation videos, I'm not sure though whether there was anything about high stakes. [roulette and table games are possibly a tricky area as the stakes tend to be much higher but fewer gambles are made compared to playing a slot ] But obviously the industry is aware the streams and videos do influence the public.

If the high stakes/extreme streamer is playing with the casino's money on a 1:3 or 1:5 basis, the casino is facilitating the broadcast of irresponsible gambling in order to drive sign ups. I think it's as simple as that. Gambling is always going to cause harm, that's unavoidable but casinos and advertisers (streamers) shouldn't act in a way that will potentially increase that harm across the board.

I think if roshtein gambled on more sensible stakes, I believe most of his fans would still enjoy it for his comedic ways and personality.

Theoretically the stakes options on a slot above £2 could be locked/greyed out unless and until sufficient proof has been provided that the higher stakes can be afforded, (also periodically the checks would need to be repeated) that would be one way to reduce the big tilting sessions, though even at £2 you can lose thousands in a few hours. (and many hundreds at 40/80p :oops:)

I agree its an extreme comparison.
Just rubs me the wrong way when someone, who also makes money because of peoples addiciton is taking a moral high ground vs a casino and another streamer because what they do is unethical.
If what they are doing is legal, then whats the problem really?
Its wrong because its more morally corrupt than what "normal" streamers do?
I understand that there are different levels of morally and ethically questionable ways of advertising things as casinos, but no matter how you advertise it, you will cause addiction and cause people misery.
Like you pointed out, even at €2 per spin, wich is considered pretty low when looking around at what streamers are betting, you can lose soooo much money very quickly.

I think that from a moral and ethical viewpoint, you have to allow all or ban all.
Otherwise. where or how would you possibly draw a line for whats ok from a moral/ethical point of view when it comes to advertising something that casuses this much problems.

I have no problem with affiliates. Like i said, i think personal responsibility outweighs most things.
I cant blame mcdonalds if i get fat, i cant blame james bond if i become an alcoholic, or a streamer if i gamble away my money.
What i have a problem with is the hypocrysi in taking a moral high ground when you yourself make money out of peoples misery.
 
Lol said Thai ages ago all over his videos for ages on YouTube it was so obvious he was a bull players so not surprised or shocked I havey eyes on a couple.of other for the fakers they are only time will play but this faker was so dam obvious and good riddance
 
Lol said Thai ages ago all over his videos for ages on YouTube it was so obvious he was a bull players so not surprised or shocked I havey eyes on a couple.of other for the fakers they are only time will play but this faker was so dam obvious and good riddance

He has not gone anywhere hes still streaming. SO you are not rid of him.
 
I agree its an extreme comparison.
Just rubs me the wrong way when someone, who also makes money because of peoples addiciton is taking a moral high ground vs a casino and another streamer because what they do is unethical.
If what they are doing is legal, then whats the problem really?
Its wrong because its more morally corrupt than what "normal" streamers do?
I understand that there are different levels of morally and ethically questionable ways of advertising things as casinos, but no matter how you advertise it, you will cause addiction and cause people misery.
Like you pointed out, even at €2 per spin, wich is considered pretty low when looking around at what streamers are betting, you can lose soooo much money very quickly.

I think that from a moral and ethical viewpoint, you have to allow all or ban all.
Otherwise. where or how would you possibly draw a line for whats ok from a moral/ethical point of view when it comes to advertising something that casuses this much problems.

I have no problem with affiliates. Like i said, i think personal responsibility outweighs most things.
I cant blame mcdonalds if i get fat, i cant blame james bond if i become an alcoholic, or a streamer if i gamble away my money.
What i have a problem with is the hypocrysi in taking a moral high ground when you yourself make money out of peoples misery.

You say that me advertising a casino WILL cause addiction and cause people misery. So you're saying that everybody that signs up becomes an addict? That there are no recreational casino players that can control their gambling? Or to put it another way to say "but no matter how you advertise it, you will cause addiction and cause people misery" is a lie, no? (doesn't that sound familiar???)

I think mack341 summed it up perfectly a few posts up topic.

Will leave you now to crack on with your jokes because I am done even attempting to debate what is a serious issue with you.
 
You say that me advertising a casino WILL cause addiction and cause people misery. So you're saying that everybody that signs up becomes an addict? That there are no recreational casino players that can control their gambling? Or to put it another way to say "but no matter how you advertise it, you will cause addiction and cause people misery" is a lie, no? (doesn't that sound familiar???)

I think mack341 summed it up perfectly a few posts up topic.

Will leave you know to crack on with your jokes because I am done even attempting to debate what is a serious issue with you.

You can pretend you dont contribute to gambling addiction, whatever helps you sleep at night.
How would you advertise it so it does not cause addiction?
Even if you play 10p spins and tell people to never gamble more than they can afford, some will.
You can say thats a lie, and i would love to live in a world where it was a lie, but we dont, and i dont think you believe that either.
 
You can pretend you dont contribute to gambling addiction, whatever helps you sleep at night.
How would you advertise it so it does not cause addiction?
Even if you play 10p spins and tell people to never gamble more than they can afford, some will.
You can say thats a lie, and i would love to live in a world where it was a lie, but we dont, and i dont think you believe that either.

Sigh.... there is a big difference between everybody becoming an addict (that you implied) and some becoming addicts.

You said it yourself: "I cant blame mcdonalds if i get fat, i cant blame james bond if i become an alcoholic, or a streamer if i gamble away my money." because "i think personal responsibility outweighs most things"

I don't want anybody that signs up through any of my links to become an addict. Now you either believe that or you don't.
 
Sigh.... there is a big difference between everybody becoming an addict (that you implied) and some becoming addicts.

You said it yourself: "I cant blame mcdonalds if i get fat, i cant blame james bond if i become an alcoholic, or a streamer if i gamble away my money." because "i think personal responsibility outweighs most things"

I don't want anybody that signs up through any of my links to become an addict. Now you either believe that or you don't.

I do believe that.
In the same way im sure Roshtein and N1 does not want to create addicts.
But it is very likely that all of you are doing just that, albeit with slightly different methods.
So you calling them out just does not make much sense to me.
 
I do believe that.
In the same way im sure Roshtein and N1 does not want to create addicts.
But it is very likely that all of you are doing just that, albeit with slightly different methods.
So you calling them out just does not make much sense to me.

Replace "methods" with "ethics" and you get what I have been attempting to get across in this topic.
 
Replace "methods" with "ethics" and you get what I have been attempting to get across in this topic.

We just seem to have different views about the ethics part.
I agree that you are promoting casinos in a more ethical way.
But you know whats even more ethical than promoting casinos in an "ethical" way?
Not doing it at all.
 
We just seem to have different views about the ethics part.
I agree that you are promoting casinos in a more ethical way.
But you know whats even more ethical than promoting casinos in an "ethical" way?
Not doing it at all.

Well they promote using various forms of advertising. Whether that be via radio, television, newspapers, Google, sponsorship or affiliates. I am just a medium that they have available to get customers through the door.

So until all advertising of casinos is banned (just like all cigarette advertising is banned in the UK), I will carry on doing it in the correct manner of course.
 
We can see how an intensivation of (landbased) casino's in the US holds out.
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Right now through the whole of europe its a attack on getting people's money by the (almost) invasive advertorial campaings. Even problem gamblers that want to bypass UK Gamestop or some stuff, presented with a list of casino's that do allow banned players.

It's just a matter of time when

- A growing amount of problem gamblers arrise
- Crime in particular, explodes skyhigh because people want to continue their addiction
- Local economy being hit (yes) because people spend more on gambling
- People perhaps losing their house, family's and friends

A gambling addiction is way more devastating then you think. For someone promoting who relies on wether it being banned or not, the goverment relies as well to the easy tax income and for that reason alone they wont ban that 1-2-3. Germany alone knows a stunning 500.000 people (registrered) of being a problem gambler. The amount of people who are unregistered is way higher. Perhaps 4 times higher.

So yeah, i really think your doing a etical job there man, a business as risky as sticking your penis inside a honeypot stacked with bees.
 
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Right now through the whole of europe its a attack on getting people's money by the (almost) invasive advertorial campaings. Even problem gamblers that want to bypass UK Gamestop or some stuff, presented with a list of casino's that do allow banned players.

It's just a matter of time when

- A growing amount of problem gamblers arrise
- Crime in particular, explodes skyhigh because people want to continue their addiction
- Local economy being hit (yes) because people spend more on gambling
- People perhaps losing their house, family's and friends

A gambling addiction is way more devastating then you think. For someone promoting who relies on wether it being banned or not, the goverment relies as well to the easy tax income and for that reason alone they wont ban that 1-2-3. Germany alone knows a stunning 500.000 people (registrered) of being a problem gambler. The amount of people who are unregistered is way higher. Perhaps 4 times higher.

So yeah, i really think your doing a etical job there man, a business as risky as sticking your penis inside a honeypot stacked with bees.

Not sure who this is directed at but if it is all the same, just a quick for your information for the readers: this post came from the person that claims to have found a system to win on land based casino slots by using skilled slam/stop spins
 
Well they promote using various forms of advertising. Whether that be via radio, television, newspapers, Google, sponsorship or affiliates. I am just a medium that they have available to get customers through the door.

So until all advertising of casinos is banned (just like all cigarette advertising is banned in the UK), I will carry on doing it in the correct manner of course.

Same way Rosh is just a medium, and unless he is breaking any laws doing what he is doing, he is also doing it in the correct manner.
May be a more unethical way according to you, but you both have made a choice to do something unethical in my opinion.
To me it does not really matter if you go balls deep (like rosh) once you cross that line.
 
I think questioning the ethical side of streamers is something we've got lined up for next week- keep your eyes peeled for that one!

Now Rosho having Play money transform into Real is quite another. I've tried this myself; it rarely works (never)

I've also tried countless times building up Fun balances and withdrawing them - to no avail. Almost duped chat into processing it a couple of times. Unfortunately Ched was onto me, bastard
 
"Affiliates Who Target Problem Gamblers" thread hasn't had a new post in two days. I demand moneys worth = more controversy! :drink:
You know what to do. Bump it, Zomb!
 
"Affiliates Who Target Problem Gamblers" thread hasn't had a new post in two days. I demand moneys worth = more controversy! :drink:

Count me out.
This has drained my energy.
I need a few months of posting silly gifs before i get back into an argument.
 
Same way Rosh is just a medium, and unless he is breaking any laws doing what he is doing, he is also doing it in the correct manner.
May be a more unethical way according to you, but you both have made a choice to do something unethical in my opinion.
To me it does not really matter if you go balls deep (like rosh) once you cross that line.

I never claimed he was breaking the law, but he allowed himself to be used on an casino advert that in the words of the respective casino representative would not pass UK advertising standards

And that is what I mean with ethics.
 
We just seem to have different views about the ethics part.
I agree that you are promoting casinos in a more ethical way.
But you know whats even more ethical than promoting casinos in an "ethical" way?
Not doing it at all.

Well kroffe was doing good and being a lovable teddy bear then he makes a post to contend with bloatgoat. Bad bear Bad.;)
 
He played at SlottyVegas for a while as well - You think they would enter into agreement with him for Fake Money and Advertising?

If he really wanna prove himself - I would suggest he streams from Casumo - As with the interface there you can see if you using Fake or Real money. You know the left bar with the leveling up and showing your cash balance as well as the recent winner list.
 
I watch streamers sometimes and I think Twitch and youtube should Ban them. as they are promoting a unhealthy and not risponsible gambling.

- they promote unhealthy high bets
- with 200 or 300% bonuses its much easier to make mony
- they imply it would be easy to make money. "printing money" (casino daddy). "professional slot player" "im not gambling im investint" (Daskalele). "people dare to doubt me (roshtein)
- none of them (except craig slots) provides long term stats which would at least show the reality.
- none of them Notes that the comparison streamer vs. Everybody is rigged due to the unfair reload bonuses. They all act as they would have deserved the wins due to the hard work of long hours of streaming
- they reach alot of young people roshtein and montanablack for example. Latter started woth playing games like fornite. And obvioisly he does have alot of underage veiwers. And no conscience.

As many noted this discussion should go beyond fake streamers and focusing on one of them.

My suggestion Casinomeister should have a section with casinos without or moderate affiliation and streamer programms. Limited maxbets, not bonus buys, no affiliates and no reload bonuses but higher cashbacks or rtps this should be the future
 

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