Roshstein outed himself as fake?

[TheSam469]

Regardless of wealth, 50k is problem gambling. No two ways about it. The patterns are all there like the junkie who begins with weed, then snorts the odd bit of coke and ends shooting up into every collapsed vein. The only difference here is that with easy affiliate money they aren't on the street - kind of like 'functioning alcoholics'. This is why the stakes rise as the affiliate income rises, they chase a bigger buzz, a bigger headline for when they do win. Affordability (for now) doesn't ever hide the fact that even if it's subconsciously, addiction is there or imminent.

Sadder still that casinos are putting their name to it. For now.

Oh no, don't tell me you're one of those that believes weed leads to hard drugs

 

[TheSam469]

32 pages, first time to respond...

"That easy affiliate marketing money" is not easy anymore. Taxes are ruining it for affiliates. Buying ads is ruining it for affiliates and especially in Sweden. So the affiliate side of the job, can't be their main income. With x hours of streaming a day, you cant have a job that covers the costs. So wealthy families perhaps? Sugar daddies/mommies? Idk.

Focus on the regular streamers, those guys playing with their 20c to 1 euro bets and actually show a regular player what can be accomplished.

Just display whats realistic - do what it says on the tin and I believe long run, thats more succesfull.

We are working with streamers, but not Roshstein. Had contact with him by email, never again. The streamers we work with, wont go above 5 a bet.

And when one of those channels are discussed, I can easily drop the information that clearly displays the proportion between bonus funds and their depositing funds. And thats all in balance to be fair!

Kr. Jan

Lol at taxes ruining it for affiliates. If I pay taxes, why shouldnt they?

 

[L&L-Jan]

Lol at taxes ruining it for affiliates. If I pay taxes, why shouldnt they?

Everybody pays taxes, you are not understanding the point of my comment. And given the content of your comment, I dont think you will.

 

[TheSam469]

Everybody pays taxes, you dont understanding the point of my comment. And given the content of your comment, I dont think you will.

No, I think perhaps you were out of context. I think taxes are ruining it for affiliates is pretty plain simple to understand. The way you put it, it means that they were paying little to no taxes and now they are?

Excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect

 

[L&L-Jan]

No worries mate, lets take casinomeister as an example:

2014: 1000 euro earnings = 800 euro earnings for the meister. (after receiving this income, the meister still need to pay his tax)

2019: 1000 euro earnings = 580 euro earnings for the meister. (after receiving this income, the meister still need to pay his tax, but a bit less, but the income a bit less as well)

And thats only players who do not take any bonuses or play any jackpot games.
If they do, earnings become less.

Anyway,. thats a subject for a different topic in a different section where webmasters can partcipate as this is not a subject for this topic.

If I say something, Im quite sure im right, so there is no need to argue with me on that level.

With all due respect sir!

 

[Spikie]

String Theory ..... I know it well

Addiction by design .... easy ! Just add more flashing lights and spinning reels

Keep em more addicted

 

[L&L-Jan]

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[TheSam469]

No worries mate, lets take casinomeister as an example:

2014: 1000 euro earnings = 800 euro earnings for the meister. (after receiving this income, the meister still need to pay his tax)

2019: 1000 euro earnings = 580 euro earnings for the meister. (after receiving this income, the meister still need to pay his tax, but a bit less, but the income a bit less as well)

And thats only players who do not take any bonuses or play any jackpot games.
If they do, earnings become less.

Anyway,. thats a subject for a different topic in a different section where webmasters can partcipate as this is not a subject for this topic.

If I say something, Im quite sure im right, so there is no need to argue with me on that level.

With all due respect sir!

Mate, I'm not arguing. I don't need a lesson in basic accounting either. I never doubted your knowledge, I'm just saying that they way you structured your point was simply saying that taxes now are making things difficult for affiliates, as if to say they didn't pay taxes in the past.

End of this. You know your stuff. I KNOW mine.

Good evening

 

[L&L-Jan]

Mate, I'm not arguing. I don't need a lesson in basic accounting either. I never doubted your knowledge, I'm just saying that they way you structured your point was simply saying that taxes now are making things difficult for affiliates, as if to say they didn't pay taxes in the past.

End of this. You know your stuff. I KNOW mine.

Good evening

No, you are right, I read back previous comments and you are right with how I expressed it.

I think the response clarified what I meant in terms of "easy affiliate money" , correct?

I used to be an affiliate, and now an operator.

From a gaming tax point of view,I do see how it affects the invoices. After the invoices are being paid, the affiliate still needs to pay their tax. Either income tax or a kind of company tax. But their income has dropped, mainly due to tax.

 

[Spikie]

@L&L-Jan

In your experience would you recommend anybody to take up a career in streaming without a suitable back up plan , or back up financing ?

From what I have seen it actually looks like a normal job and not much fun to sit in front of a screen for 8 hours a day .

So for someone starting out they would be on much less than minimum wage, even though the general impression is that steaming is a quick way to riches.

 

[L&L-Jan]

Last one because football is on now

I dont think there needs to be a backup plan, or financing.

I believe, its about entertaining, and that doesnt matter if you play at 20c or 20 euros.

At 20c a spin you can create a lot of entertainment for you viewing public.

The future of streaming is: be yourself.... be fun, stick to responsible limits and enjoy - for yourself and your audience.

To be fair, our low roller streamers are doing great for our casinos, and for themselves. Nobody never mentioned them. Keep it up!

Kr. Jan

 

[Scott1baird]

Don't overthink the whole mechanics Spikie!

If you are keen to do so, please apply for a position at the Princeton university for advanced study.

Thats the only place in the world where you get paid for just: "thinking" and solving science / physics challenges

Kr. Jan

 

[slotmaster]

LOL TAX! I highly doubt any of these streamers are reporting anything to do with streaming "income".

 

[CasinoNinja]

Well, pretty much all the streamers moved to Malta after Sweden tighten their regulations with Taxes and Bonuses (only one bonus allowed to a player per casino). Streamers need bonuses to be able to stream the hours they do and the bets they use.

As for affiliates not earning enough to do this, I have no idea about earnings as I am not one. But I know as an example casinodaddy reportedly went from earning about £200k to £4mill since they started streaming (they have an IT company on the side which probably helped them have some money streaming) , so there is definitely money in it.

 

[Kroffe]

Well, pretty much all the streamers moved to Malta after Sweden tighten their regulations with Taxes and Bonuses (only one bonus allowed to a player per casino). Streamers need bonuses to be able to stream the hours they do and the bets they use.

As for affiliates not earning enough to do this, I have no idea about earnings as I am not one. But I know as an example casinodaddy reportedly went from earning about £200k to £4mill since they started streaming (they have an IT company on the side which probably helped them have some money streaming) , so there is definitely money in it.

Should be somewhat easy to check, atleast for swedish streamers, since what they pay in taxes can be viewed by anyone.
Not now when they all moved to malta of course, but previous years should still be on record.

 

[CasinoNinja]

Should be somewhat easy to check, atleast for swedish streamers, since what they pay in taxes can be viewed by anyone.
Not now when they all moved to malta of course, but previous years should still be on record.

They still stream for sweden, at least for now. But they have a postbox in Malta, so they are going around the rules somewhat. Quick google on their company reveals they have increased over a 1000% since 2017, but I am no expert...

 

[Kroffe]

They took just under 3 million euro form their company in april.
They made an "Utedelning" wich is basically taking profits from the company and giving to the shareholders (wich im guessing is just them?)
You do it this way because you pay only 20% tax on an utdelning, as opposed to 30-50% if they were to take the money as monthly salary instead.


2019-04-24
Nya uppgifter

Godkänd, datum: 20190424
Utdelningsbelopp: 31500000.
Utdelning, datum: 20190131
Valuta: SEK

 

[Nate]

No worries mate, lets take casinomeister as an example:

2014: 1000 euro earnings = 800 euro earnings for the meister. (after receiving this income, the meister still need to pay his tax)

2019: 1000 euro earnings = 580 euro earnings for the meister. (after receiving this income, the meister still need to pay his tax, but a bit less, but the income a bit less as well)

And thats only players who do not take any bonuses or play any jackpot games.
If they do, earnings become less.

Anyway,. thats a subject for a different topic in a different section where webmasters can partcipate as this is not a subject for this topic.

If I say something, Im quite sure im right, so there is no need to argue with me on that level.

With all due respect sir!

And to add it differs per operator. Some genuinely try to reward affiliates for hard work whilst others literally steal your money with 'fees'.

A typical example is having a Gross revenue of 1k (Deposits - Withdraws) ... Tax might be about 150. The rest is deducted for every single charge you can think of under the sun.

An affiliate earns 50 after all that. Yeah 50... that's even with a 'good deal'. Then you must still pay tax on your 50.

Again earnings differ per operator and there is no such thing as 'easy money'.

Nate

 

[joeycoco]

I see Bandit lost 50k on Sunday slots just gone, even if you are a millionaire you can go bankrupt in a short space of time losing that much ....


What I don’t understand is how he can make that much money to pay for it all with matched betting / betfair etc. . Must have a good system.

The old reel king winnings can’t last many more weeks like the one just gone . I know he says he can easily afford it , but it still doesn’t sit right for some reason.

He definitely uses real money as he always plays at Casumo , videoslots and other reputable brands , but I’m just wondering how long he can seriously carry on for .

I do like watching it though ......

I saw that, I half expected him to lose 40k then win 60k on Reel King as this sort of thing has happened in the past. I suppose it shows that you can't always win which can't be a bad thing although it was pretty obvious he was just chasing wins which is the worst thing you can do.

 

[Iamjusthim]

A shame to the industry!

 

[immo2017]

roshtein is for sure fake the best evidence he dont show off. When he make real money he must swimming in cash living in a villa etc
but he always play in virtual studio thats very good proof all his wins are virtual too

 

[TheSam469]

What so if someone plays in front of a green screen, this makes it fake? That makes absolutely no sense bro.

 

[HorseBurger1989]

Roshtein is as fake as Nickslots

All of them bar maybe a couple use constant reloaded deposit bonuses, the only one who doesn't is Chip from what I can gather

And that's why Chip is trying to get into Nicks playpen lol. No one can ever be in profit long term but Nick manages it hahaha. 5k hit again yesterday off stream.

My theory is that the amount of reloaded bonuses (all without any risk whatsoever) will eventually lead to a big hit. Its inevetible at some point he's going to win something massive because of the sheer amount of spins and recycled money he can put through them. And again all without any risk attached because of the affiliation money and deposit bonus cash generated.

anyone else noticed Bandit doing less and less videos? the bloke seems to have made his money and the fun of making videos for small amounts of profit seem totally pointless for him now.

 

[Kroffe]

Roshtein is as fake as Nickslots

All of them bar maybe a couple use constant reloaded deposit bonuses, the only one who doesn't is Chip from what I can gather

And that's why Chip is trying to get into Nicks playpen lol. No one can ever be in profit long term but Nick manages it hahaha. 5k hit again yesterday off stream.

My theory is that the amount of reloaded bonuses (all without any risk whatsoever) will eventually lead to a big hit. Its inevetible at some point he's going to win something massive because of the sheer amount of spins and recycled money he can put through them. And again all without any risk attached because of the affiliation money and deposit bonus cash generated.

anyone else noticed Bandit doing less and less videos? the bloke seems to have made his money and the fun of making videos for small amounts of profit seem totally pointless for him now.

Wait, so are you saying they are fake, or that they are using the money they get by being an affiliate to deposit and claim bonuses?
If they are using money that is theirs, its not really risk-free is it?

 

[nikantw]

Wait, so are you saying they are fake, or that they are using the money they get by being an affiliate to deposit and claim bonuses?
If they are using money that is theirs, its not really risk-free is it?

I think the point made is that with such big bonus you can't lose. I don't think it is the size (of the bonus) that matters, only how you use it (WR, RTP of games you can play).