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Roshstein outed himself as fake?

miksaxxx said:
Yeah.

Waiting for "Goatwank*r" stream channel where you are doing 50 £ bets in VS. :).

Se you soon level 21 .. ;)
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Thankyou for giving me my new IP :laugh:

Although I won't be doing £50 bets.

I'll be flipping off men for coin
 
miksaxxx said:
:)

Dont say it yet.. It is only just tiny ""50£"" bet.. Not highrolling :)..

You can bee the next " BiG winner ".
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Theres a better way..
Instead of doing €50 spins, do 10p spins, and spend the remaining €49.90 on cookies.
This will get you fat pretty quickly.
So after doing that for a while, even when just winning 1x stake on 10p you can call yourself "big winner"
Wich is technically correct, the best kind of correct.

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Nicola said:
From memory this was the site that exposed Roshtein and was covered in Chopleys video.
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Yeah, alas it does happen, we've seen people get this before. Was there other stuff there or just R******n's channel?
 
helafast said:
In my original post, it was his website that "possibly outed" Roshstein.
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Ah, mybad, i misunderstood and thought it was Roshteins page, and that he had gotten threats after being exposed.

Really shitty thing to do. And for what? a damn video.. people are idiots
 
This is a really good read and analysis of streaming from The Pogg. Well worth a read.
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Fiekie247 said:
He played at SlottyVegas for a while as well - You think they would enter into agreement with him for Fake Money and Advertising?

If he really wanna prove himself - I would suggest he streams from Casumo - As with the interface there you can see if you using Fake or Real money. You know the left bar with the leveling up and showing your cash balance as well as the recent winner list.
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And to anyone else who had similar questions or statements:

We do not allow any of our streamers to use fake money. We give all our streamers the same bonus, 80% deposit bonus to a maximum of €240.
We want our streamers to have an authentic game play feeling, and we don't want to give our streamers much more than our players can receive, therefore we do not give streamers a huge bonus.

You can actually hear the Casinodaddy guys mention it in one of their Q&As by searching youtube on "Q&A WITH CASINODADDY". About 5:20 into the video.
 
Buffalo Bill said:
Absolute bulls**t. What are the chances that this is due to people reporting your videos? I don't know how the youtube algorithms work but can hardly see an automated system taking your video down due to the violations listed.
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It'll most likely be due to an orchestrated attempt at getting his videos removed through mass reporting.

Now let's think what group of people might have an issue with some of his content calling out certain streamers...hmm. Probably the same people that forced that guy to take down his site.

Hope you win your appeal @ChopleyIOM
 
ChopleyIOM said:
I've already lodged an appeal.

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Yes, it will be an organized trolling/bonus-complaint effort on behalf of interested parties. You have no content that violates goods and services rules as you don't promote casinos. YT work on the basis that a single complaint will be judged on its merits, whereas as if enough people complain the issue will automatically have discretion bypassed and it's easier to remove the video. At least you haven't got a strike?

P.S. it's also worth pointing out that while gambling promotion is prohibited, i.e. placing of aff. links and ads directly under videos, YT happily have gambling-sponsored banner ads of their own appearing over videos.
 
Be good if you could make a counter complaint, that shadowy nefarious actors with a vested interest in silencing Degsy on this topic are misusing the youtube complaints system, youtube should be able to trace the accounts and close them. This is freedom of speech, a basic human right, being trampled on here. :mad:

Edit: ps. this won't affect your plans for doing a hearthstone vid will it?
 
A outright ban on YouTube gambling content would solve it.

How many people do you think fake report Rothstein? I bet he gets same issues all the time.

Very catty clicky world these youtubers and twitches who have followers.

People should stick to posting their own content rather than trying to be the moral police.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
I've already lodged an appeal.

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What an utter joke, I am glad I have seen the video before it was pulled and to be honest it was a great video, no harm done there.
Shows how random these streaming companies are.

I can point out at least 5 channels that show copyrighted and full versions of movies that should not be available for free.
They can upload movies for months and months before the videos or channel gets pulled.

Pure and utter disgusted about this.
 
The problem is that Chopley's channel is so small, he has no direct contact with Youtube available so an appeal is just pointless.

I have similar warnings against my channel and so have some of my colleague streamers. None of these warnings have ever been overturned despite appeals made.

A petition or the a nudge to Bryan will not help either in my opinion unless your channel has 100,000's of subscribers with at least a million views per video because that will put you into the position where you have a direct human contact at Youtube.

Effectively, Youtube don't give a toss.
 
What I imagine is going on is the Casino has switched his account to use a freeplay system to dodge paying the provider fees. This is usually in the 10%-12% range. By switching his account it means he can play very high stakes without the Casino having a large liability to pay the providers.

Given his current play activity, and 400-500% bonuses Casinos would have a huge fee to pay for spins made via real money play. By switching this over it would save them a ton of cash.

- T
 
Tropicana50 said:
What I imagine is going on is the Casino has switched his account to use a freeplay system to dodge paying the provider fees. This is usually in the 10%-12% range. By switching his account it means he can play very high stakes without the Casino having a large liability to pay the providers.

Given his current play activity, and 400-500% bonuses Casinos would have a huge fee to pay for spins made via real money play. By switching this over it would save them a ton of cash.

- T
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This is what crossed my mind, but I didn't know what percent the fee was, and thought it might be 1%.

10-12 %, how would that be calculated, from the sheer turnover or from the net losses of the player? [in this case casino+player]
 
mack341 said:
This is what crossed my mind, but I didn't know what percent the fee was, and thought it might be 1%.

10-12 %, how would that be calculated, from the sheer turnover or from the net losses of the player? [in this case casino+player]
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Hey mate!

In most cases it's just from GGR (bets-wins). Sometimes there is bonus deduction(some %), but it's rare case.

And 10-12% is relatively small. Some providers charge up to 20% from GGR.
 
Tropicana50 said:
What I imagine is going on is the Casino has switched his account to use a freeplay system to dodge paying the provider fees. This is usually in the 10%-12% range. By switching his account it means he can play very high stakes without the Casino having a large liability to pay the providers.

Given his current play activity, and 400-500% bonuses Casinos would have a huge fee to pay for spins made via real money play. By switching this over it would save them a ton of cash.

- T
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Hey @Tropicana50

Then, we are cheaters and cheating game providers. It's serious. Please send messages to providers Rosh playing most and tell them your suspicions if you want. It will be disaster for us.

Once again to everyone - he do not have any special account, and playing games any other customer playing in our casino.

Br,

V.
 
I find it sad to see this thread still going on. In my world, there should not be such a thread.

If there is proof of cheating or playing with fun money then bring the 100% Proof.

What I have seen of videos or screens with so-called proof just does not prove anything.

I do feel I shouldn't be allowed with those crazy high bets as it is NOT responsible gambling.

I feel there should be a max of €£10 on any live stream whether on twitch or Youtube. Yeah I guess even 10 a spin is not really responsible either unless your wealthy lol and guess its hard setting these rules.

Sadly there are no such thing rules, but also we can't really blame any casinos, only I find it tasteless to let someone like Rohstein bet crazy bet limits and abuse bonuses like with N1.

Understand me right I do feel streamers should have better deals as they do use big risks streaming for hours etc so yeah I am not against that, BUT it should be clearly listed what streamers get or is using. Also that it is a special arrangement with the casino.

Don't get me wrong I do like Rohstein and find him funny actually a funny Genious, he has found a brilliant way to make big money and I have respect for that. All the people hating him are mainly just jealous is my opinion. When I have seen his streams he does mention many times to not bet like this.

Now I do see it all going out of hand with a lot of new streamers on Twitch. Even a big streamer that has over 1,8 million followers (MontanaBlack88) also decided to stream slots with insane bets almost worse than Rohstein. IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED!!! It also disgusts me when he sometime loses he smashes stuff up and get aggressive. And yet yes Twitch allows it as he brings home the bacon for them!!

But guys this is Twitch and Youtube, who are the problems they should not allow this. Casino and slots streams are great fun and should be allowed ,but the way its going now we will prob end up getting it banned all together.
 
BillyBonanza said:
hope there is a dark place reserved in hell for the fake streamers betting fake stakes to entice people to lose alot of money on their links. Even $1 all day would bankrupt you let alone this 5-50 euro all day bs
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I was thinking exactly this the last 2 days about even doing $1 bets you won't last long in today's slotting environment.
 
slotmaster said:
I was thinking exactly this the last 2 days about even doing $1 bets you won't last long in today's slotting environment.
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Yes agree with this. Sadly you need to bet over €£10 to make it exciting or else you will 100% be asked to higher your stakes.

Also I have seen people are so much demanding , as a streamer, you need to show crazy emotion, like jumping up and down licking the screen when you get a nice win :D

Maybe we should setup up dual streams then at least we could do $£0.18 bets on Doa/Doa2 :D
 
PMKFRUITPRO said:
Dunover - When u say links under videos do you mean in the description or actually on screen?

Plenty of ones still with loads of links in the description survive all the time.
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Direct affiliate links to casino pages - your own website is OK.
 
From my experience daily with casinos... when caught on something they ALWAYS lie. Casinos support and management always outright go with the lies and often it works. You will not be able to make them tell the truth unless, like i ususally do, provide proof without any doubts they are outright lying and usually then i win my case and they go mute never to be heard of again. The industry is dodgy, nothing is really what it seems and the omerta is on all across the network therefor when a person like homerbert says "roshtein is real trust me" i instantly think the opposite. The reason why i automatically assume the opposite is.. that i plain never had a casino staff tell me the truth ever lol unless it's something not important that they are willing to fix. Leovegas lied about malfunction on slot taking my wins saying yggrasil said there was nothing wrong, i posted on youtube the record.. oops they suddenly recognize a malfunction. Rizk through evo gaming disconnected me in middle of a big bet on black behing in early position on 5-2 stopping me from hitting a card, losing and changing the outcome for the rest of the table to then claim i am lying and that they investigated my internet provider proving i was disconnected... lol i was live on twitch gg... provided proof.. they refunded me and never replied to PAB or me ever again. Superlenny same with reactoonz 15 blue 2x paying 10x. And the list goes on and on. So sorry but i wil never trust any casino staff ever unless they have a stonecold proof of their claims. The big streamers bet is unreal, no one can sustain that especially since it's their main income so not only they would have to pay the losses of gambling but pay their living and all on top? nope impossible. I could never set a deal to stream with casinos because they would only deal play money, my friends streamers had same issue. The biggests may be "real" but not that real because the casinos they represent offset their losses with special deals so they play big bets but do not pay the real cost of them. The only REAL money streamers i know bet 1$/e a spin or less and the ones at 1$ a spin often struggle to make it. Roshtein is fake.. i knew at first sight when i saw the bets and everything. If you don't know rich people or never lived in that world.. let me tell you that i was born in a wealthy family and people that can afford such play 1- would never want their faces exposed or even names 2- wouldn't have time to stream 3- wouldn't even bother the work for affiliate income etc. Deduction is the key.. go with hints.. can he afford it no, can he be wealthy and just do it to offset his losses, no... no one wealthy would do that or even bother. Oh and one amazing fact... when a streamer do big bets pay attention to where he live. A person able to sustain 5 euro bets would be in a luxury house room with tons of fency stuff .. no white walls in barely empty room on a chair. A millionaire simply do not live in a place where walls are generic white lol. Anyway have fun trying to believe if you wish ;)
 
Fredos386 said:
From my experience daily with casinos... when caught on something they ALWAYS lie. Casinos support and management always outright go with the lies and often it works. You will not be able to make them tell the truth unless, like i ususally do, provide proof without any doubts they are outright lying and usually then i win my case and they go mute never to be heard of again. The industry is dodgy, nothing is really what it seems and the omerta is on all across the network therefor when a person like homerbert says "roshtein is real trust me" i instantly think the opposite. The reason why i automatically assume the opposite is.. that i plain never had a casino staff tell me the truth ever lol unless it's something not important that they are willing to fix. Leovegas lied about malfunction on slot taking my wins saying yggrasil said there was nothing wrong, i posted on youtube the record.. oops they suddenly recognize a malfunction. Rizk through evo gaming disconnected me in middle of a big bet on black behing in early position on 5-2 stopping me from hitting a card, losing and changing the outcome for the rest of the table to then claim i am lying and that they investigated my internet provider proving i was disconnected... lol i was live on twitch gg... provided proof.. they refunded me and never replied to PAB or me ever again. Superlenny same with reactoonz 15 blue 2x paying 10x. And the list goes on and on. So sorry but i wil never trust any casino staff ever unless they have a stonecold proof of their claims. The big streamers bet is unreal, no one can sustain that especially since it's their main income so not only they would have to pay the losses of gambling but pay their living and all on top? nope impossible. I could never set a deal to stream with casinos because they would only deal play money, my friends streamers had same issue. The biggests may be "real" but not that real because the casinos they represent offset their losses with special deals so they play big bets but do not pay the real cost of them. The only REAL money streamers i know bet 1$/e a spin or less and the ones at 1$ a spin often struggle to make it. Roshtein is fake.. i knew at first sight when i saw the bets and everything. If you don't know rich people or never lived in that world.. let me tell you that i was born in a wealthy family and people that can afford such play 1- would never want their faces exposed or even names 2- wouldn't have time to stream 3- wouldn't even bother the work for affiliate income etc. Deduction is the key.. go with hints.. can he afford it no, can he be wealthy and just do it to offset his losses, no... no one wealthy would do that or even bother. Oh and one amazing fact... when a streamer do big bets pay attention to where he live. A person able to sustain 5 euro bets would be in a luxury house room with tons of fency stuff .. no white walls in barely empty room on a chair. A millionaire simply do not live in a place where walls are generic white lol. Anyway have fun trying to believe if you wish ;)
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Your forgetting, even with wagering £10 spins, even £50 spins are more than sustainable as long as they are matched up with a bonus and you play medium to high variance. In fact, that is such a loss making situation for the casino its the main motivator for me to call it out as a BS account.
 
SpinUk said:
Your forgetting, even with wagering £10 spins, even £50 spins are more than sustainable as long as they are matched up with a bonus and you play medium to high variance. In fact, that is such a loss making situation for the casino its the main motivator for me to call it out as a BS account.
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Thats what i think too. Roshtein is at least 100k up per month. as someone in another thread caculated, the EV for a 300% bonus without a maxbet limit (best strategy to beat wager is maxbet) is highly positive. Roshtein would win in long term. That why it has to be fake. Even casinos cannot print money.

Recall, normal players get 100-200% max with 5 maxbet and only once for sign up.
 
Alqupon said:
Thats what i think too. Roshtein is at least 100k up per month. as someone in another thread caculated, the EV for a 300% bonus without a maxbet limit (best strategy to beat wager is maxbet) is highly positive. Roshtein would win in long term. That why it has to be fake. Even casinos cannot print money.

Recall, normal players get 100-200% max with 5 maxbet and only once for sign up.
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Exactly - like the business could stomach a million a year profit for Roshstein? I dont care how much affiliate business is coming in that is absolute rubbish. Not forgetting the contribution to providers - bang another £100k cost.

The whole things a nonsense, let alone the damning footage.
 

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