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I dont know, i contacted them yesterday, seem to be longer in their email answers now.....ill give them 5 hours from now and then get on livechat.... :what:

Email i recieved last night >>>>

Thank you for contacting VegasAces Casino,

At the present moment Accounting department have your payout, they should release the funds and send them to you between today and tomorrow.

Should you need further assistance, please contact our Casino staff via live chat.

Best Regards




It should be positive or?? :confused:

Have u had any info like this?

I recieved all type of excuses, i sent the document june 4 and eceived an email that said all are great, my cashout will be pay in the next 10 business day, after that nothing hapen, so new chat and i ask what hapen and they say that i must send the docuemnts again..... and now is july 2 :eek2: lol
And they have their chat offlinie, but you can contact via this char:
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that work :eek2:
 
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I'm impressed of that :)

I guess You to use more power like me to get them, but seems quite good to me.....
Cant see any problems in depositing and playing here...
3 days is a long time for me, but guess i can survive... :notworthy:
 
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I'm impressed of that :)

I guess You to use more power like me to get them, but seems quite good to me.....
Cant see any problems in depositing and playing here...
3 days is a long time for me, but guess i can survive... :notworthy:

WOW you received it, great, i dont received nothing :D
 
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My friend You need to chase this up, As soon possible get on livechat when its available, and ask to speak with Jill, just be nice and calm to her, she is superb and fantastic.... i will promise You that she will make sure that You recieve the winnings asap. :thumbsup:

I will make deposits here and play here in future, but because of all these problems with Rival, i think i will wait for a bit, until i can be 100% sure to recieve winnings etc..
My only problem is i love the software that Rival uses :(
 
Just a suggestion...have you tried Black Diamond? I played Thursday and Friday morning requested a cashout to QT and it was there Saturday morning. So far they are the fastest. Good luck!
 
just seen this thread, and I would like to say that I think it is a little unfair to be classing all white labels together,

Both 21 Grand Casino and Supreme Play have there own in house 24/7, support in English, French and German, who are all very knowledgeable, professional and friendly, available on live chat and on the phone.

There have been the processing problems due to the visa issue, which we are personnaly working on to find an answer to.

We also know and accept CM to be a fair website, and have been a great user and follower, but we feel that it is not fair for 21 Grand Casino and Supreme Play to be on here as we do match the full criteria of a white label casino.
 
No 24-hour live support in Chinese and you pride yourself in this aspect.:D

IMO Grand 21 casino and its predecessor Gold Rock was a slight cut above many others when I patronised them with the only setback being no Scary Rich games. They have corrected this since.
 
just seen this thread, and I would like to say that I think it is a little unfair to be classing all white labels together,

Both 21 Grand Casino and Supreme Play have there own in house 24/7, support in English, French and German, who are all very knowledgeable, professional and friendly, available on live chat and on the phone.

There have been the processing problems due to the visa issue, which we are personnaly working on to find an answer to.

We also know and accept CM to be a fair website, and have been a great user and follower, but we feel that it is not fair for 21 Grand Casino and Supreme Play to be on here as we do match the full criteria of a white label casino.

Whilst you have your own in-house support, you are STILL at the mercy of Rival when it comes to processing of withdrawals. It is NOT just the processing issues, but the total inability for players to have promises of payment KEPT, or be on the receiving end of incessant BS excuses.

The "VISA issue" was some months ago, and this should NOT be affecting players NOW. Further it should NOT be affecting NON-US players AT ALL!

IF the "VISA issue" was so bad that it has left Rival with ongoing "cashflow issues", then any warning is justified, since this means that there is the possibility of Rival being unable to pay players should there be another unexpected "hit" to the balance sheet, such as an unusual amount won by players, or another "processor issue".

The only warning that would not apply to your properties would be that regarding failings in Rival central player support, since you don't use it.

Rival casinos are also rather secretive as to what is meant by the various types of "white label", therefore it is not possible to make the warning more specific than the generality of "Rival white label casinos" without further information from operators, or Rival themselves.
 
I have the understanding that other platfroms with players from the US are all having problems at the moment with processing,

I am also reading on other threads for a white label it is Rival that do Proscesing and CS
So as we have stated 21 grand casino and supreme play do not meet this therefore are not white lables if they are going to b included in the white label list then you need to change the critria of what a white label casino is!

With white labels, the software provider provides the software, the ecash processing, and the player support. The casino owner/operator provides the funding and the marketing
 
I have the understanding that other platfroms with players from the US are all having problems at the moment with processing,

I am also reading on other threads for a white label it is Rival that do Proscesing and CS
So as we have stated 21 grand casino and supreme play do not meet this therefore are not white lables if they are going to b included in the white label list then you need to change the critria of what a white label casino is!

With white labels, the software provider provides the software, the ecash processing, and the player support. The casino owner/operator provides the funding and the marketing
In the interest of full transparency, who is the casino owner??:what::what::what:...Sorry for the hard question;)

Nevermind that silly error on your website:

"21GrandCasino is a casino owned and operated by Silverstone Overseas Limited, Ingles Manor, Castle Hill Avenue, Kent, Folkestone, United Kingdom (hereafter "Silverstone") a company wholly owned by Bonne Chance NV (hereafter "BC"). Bonne Chance NV is a company incorporated, licensed and regulated by the Government of Curacao for the purpose of operating an online casino."

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I have the understanding that other platfroms with players from the US are all having problems at the moment with processing,

I am also reading on other threads for a white label it is Rival that do Proscesing and CS
So as we have stated 21 grand casino and supreme play do not meet this therefore are not white lables if they are going to b included in the white label list then you need to change the critria of what a white label casino is!

With white labels, the software provider provides the software, the ecash processing, and the player support. The casino owner/operator provides the funding and the marketing

Well, given that the main issue is (and always has been) the payment processing aspect of Rival operators, your casino should actually be included with the other 'White' labels. Providing your own CS doesnt help players get paid any faster.

However, given that your casino doesnt meet the full criteria for a 'White" Label, maybe we should create a new category called 'Grey Label' or possibly even 'Off-White Label' to make sure players are aware of the differences.
 
Well, given that the main issue is (and always has been) the payment processing aspect of Rival operators, your casino should actually be included with the other 'White' labels. Providing your own CS doesnt help players get paid any faster.

However, given that your casino doesnt meet the full criteria for a 'White" Label, maybe we should create a new category called 'Grey Label' or possibly even 'Off-White Label' to make sure players are aware of the differences.

Well, if the Rival setup was not so DELIBERATELY deceptive, 21Grand would NOT have this problem. Players, and watchdog sites, will err on the side of caution, so refusal to give information is going to be seen as "has something to hide".
Where Rival & white label operators HAVE given information in the past, THEY HAVE LIED (or at least mislead), and have later been found out.

Often, what is said is contradicted by what is on the website (such is the case with 21Grand). The 21Grand website states the casino is WHOLLY owned & operated by Silverstone (AKA Rival), and NOT by the "marketing partners" at 21Grand. 21Grand provide the marketing, CS, but NOT the processing, and they have NO POWER WHATSOEVER to make Rival pay THEIR players any faster than other players whose payments are being processed by Rival.

The planet23 website (above) is yet ANOTHER example of confused players logging in to what WAS their casino, and where they still have money, and nearly dying of shock:eek: because the website seems to have been hijacked, and they have heard NOTHING about this.

Normally, when a casino changes hands, it's fronting domain goes along with it. What is happening at Rival is not only unusual, it is UNIQUE, but is one of the arrangements Rival & operators worked very hard at to keep secret from players. With this secret suddenly out, and with Rival completely wrong footed (no chance to prepare a "press release", not even of the "firefighting" type), players have bolted for the exit as fast as they can, and now doubt EVERY SINGLE Rival white label because of what ELSE has been kept secret, and will come along to rob them of their balances.

The problem with the domains, as illustrated above with planet23, is that players can no longer go to the website to make contact with the original casino, because not only has it changed into a general affiliate marketing site (and revealing the TRUE nature of these Rival white label "operators" in the process - yet ANOTHER recently exposed secret), the process has been acrimonious, and all evidence that there ever was a planet23 casino has been erased - no information to players, not even a link forwarding them to the new entity to contact with planet23 casino related issues. This also happened when Vanguard closed, and although they told AFFILIATES, they did not tell PLAYERS. A couple of affiliates posted the notification from Vanguard, and it was clear that Vanguard felt Rival was to blame, and it was obvious the closure was down to an acrimonious dispute between Rival & Vanguard, and they were NOT prepared to assist Rival in any way in taking over the casino & continuing to run it. As a result of this, players were left out in the cold, being used by Vanguard as pawns in the dispute to "win points" against Rival by forcing them to set up a new domain to continue operating Vanguard, rather than passing them the original Vanguard domain such that as far as players were concerned, the process was seamless, and they could access the website & customer support at all times during the transfer process.

More recently, the Rival white label casinos have been removed from the not recommended list because the CEO of Rival has told Bryan that Rival WILL continue to honour payments to players and affiliates when white label operators cease operating their white label casino.

In the case of Rival, who runs the processing is the most important determination of risk to players, since those casinos who operate their own processing will NOT be affected by this "domino effect" caused by white label operators failing to meet their obligations to Rival, which then leads to Rival processing not having the expected liquidity, thus leading to payment delays.

The statement from the Rival CEO indicates that whilst there may be delays, Rival are committed to making good on all payments due.

In one respect, this makes Rival SAFER than some other casinos, where the software provider does NOT step in to make good on payments due to players and affiliates when the operator goes bust. Far from keeping this secret, Rival should have made it clear to players that the white label model offered this additional safety feature to players that is lacking in most other casinos.
 
I would have to say their processing is a huge issue. I remember the good old days when I could withdrawal off free chips, not worrying about all these terms and such. But Rivals are excessive, my girlfriend has all sorts of money on a rival casino, but she does not have a bank account, but will be getting one shortly. And the support informed me that she cannot not withdrawal, any other method then the method you deposited with, well with us being in the usa, we had planned on depositing using our netspend or significant other processing, then request a check, I mean betonsoft, best customer service and response I have ever seen. However I am having issues with them greatly right now on betonsoft, with a specific group that previously had ducked and dodged affiliates and changed their software quite drasticly. :eek:
 
I have the understanding that other platfroms with players from the US are all having problems at the moment with processing,

I am also reading on other threads for a white label it is Rival that do Proscesing and CS
So as we have stated 21 grand casino and supreme play do not meet this therefore are not white lables if they are going to b included in the white label list then you need to change the critria of what a white label casino is!

With white labels, the software provider provides the software, the ecash processing, and the player support. The casino owner/operator provides the funding and the marketing


Hi 21 I'm a player that had a huge 'disappointment' shall we say, with a rival last year which was too bad for both of us, but that aside and almost forgotten thank you, I feel a good percentage of us would love for you to be what you say you are and as soon as we see the 'pudding' as in proof in the pudding, we will or at least I will be glad to toot your horn with you. But we have had one rival casino rep after another promise the best of everything and then what we see is that nothing changes and as a matter of fact, only worsens. Are employees allowed to play at their casino or do most of you play before becoming employees by any chance?
thank you;)
 
Now I can't keep quiet

just seen this thread, and I would like to say that I think it is a little unfair to be classing all white labels together,

Both 21 Grand Casino and Supreme Play have there own in house 24/7, support in English, French and German, who are all very knowledgeable, professional and friendly, available on live chat and on the phone.

There have been the processing problems due to the visa issue, which we are personnaly working on to find an answer to.

We also know and accept CM to be a fair website, and have been a great user and follower, but we feel that it is not fair for 21 Grand Casino and Supreme Play to be on here as we do match the full criteria of a white label casino.

I have tried 21 Grand Casino three times. I have used promotions once or twice of these times. I have never made a withdrawal.
Now I get e-mails from 21 Grand Casino with promotions frequently, but there are no promotions available in my account. I asked support why. First they said I was bonus banned. For what? Then they say that I have become blind; the support could see the bonus, but I couldn't.
(Maybe I need stronger glasses????)
Then they say that a manager should look into my account. And today I just wanted to ask why the latest promotion I was offered wasn't in my account, the support closed the chat right into my face, and when I retried, all agents were busy, unless I used another name at the chat.
So, I was blocked at the chat aswell?
Fair, professional, friendly. No. I don't think so.
I don't demand any promotions. I demand to be treated with respect.

Kind regards
L'arsenne
 
I have tried 21 Grand Casino three times. I have used promotions once or twice of these times. I have never made a withdrawal.
Now I get e-mails from 21 Grand Casino with promotions frequently, but there are no promotions available in my account. I asked support why. First they said I was bonus banned. For what? Then they say that I have become blind; the support could see the bonus, but I couldn't.
(Maybe I need stronger glasses????)
Then they say that a manager should look into my account. And today I just wanted to ask why the latest promotion I was offered wasn't in my account, the support closed the chat right into my face, and when I retried, all agents were busy, unless I used another name at the chat.
So, I was blocked at the chat aswell?
Fair, professional, friendly. No. I don't think so.
I don't demand any promotions. I demand to be treated with respect.

Kind regards
L'arsenne

MORE rogue behaviour then, lies, then deliberately blocked. It's a bit like a common ailment that afflicts children, called "selective deafness".

Example:-

Say "do the washing up" from 1 foot away, and they cannot hear you, even if you shout.

Whisper, "want to go down the park", and they hear you perfectly from the bottom of the garden:D

When they "bonus ban" a player, why LIE to that player by pretending it is some kind of "technical problem", what's the problem with HONESTY, just TELL the player they have been "bonus banned", and let them decide whether they still want to play without them, or move elsewhere.

It looks like they want the player to deposit believing it is a "technical problem" that will be fixed manually after they deposit, and THEN they will be told they are "bonus banned", when it is too late & the casino has the deposit, which they will THEN insist is played through x times before withdrawal. Even though they didn't follow through on the promise, they resist just giving the money back, since the deception would not only have failed, but would have cost them fees that they would NOT have incurred had they been honest in telling the player right from the start that they had been "bonus banned".

This BS is NOT new though, it has ALWAYS been an issue with Rival casinos.
 
I have tried 21 Grand Casino three times. I have used promotions once or twice of these times. I have never made a withdrawal.
Now I get e-mails from 21 Grand Casino with promotions frequently, but there are no promotions available in my account. I asked support why.

Same thing here, this is what I got.

Please wait for a site operator to respond.

You are now chatting with 'Stephane'

Stephane: hello

Stephane: how may i help you

ME: Hi, I was wondering why I don't have any promotions available

Stephane: one moment please

Stephane: we dont give free bonuses for your country

Stephane: I can anyway offer you 20$ free on slots

ME: ? you don't offer bonuses, but still you're offering one. what's the catch?

Stephane: sorry you re bonus banned

Stephane: for more information pelase send a mail

ME: but what's that 20$ free

Stephane: not for you

Chat session has been terminated by the site operator.

I mean if they don't offer bonuses to my country, why they keep sending those offers to my mail.
 
Same thing here, this is what I got.

Please wait for a site operator to respond.

You are now chatting with 'Stephane'

Stephane: hello

Stephane: how may i help you

ME: Hi, I was wondering why I don't have any promotions available

Stephane: one moment please

Stephane: we dont give free bonuses for your country

Stephane: I can anyway offer you 20$ free on slots

ME: ? you don't offer bonuses, but still you're offering one. what's the catch?

Stephane: sorry you re bonus banned

Stephane: for more information pelase send a mail

ME: but what's that 20$ free

Stephane: not for you

Chat session has been terminated by the site operator.

I mean if they don't offer bonuses to my country, why they keep sending those offers to my mail.

That was just down and out rude on the part of the CS Rep imo:mad:

Laurie
 
Same thing here, this is what I got.

Please wait for a site operator to respond.

You are now chatting with 'Stephane'

Stephane: hello

Stephane: how may i help you

ME: Hi, I was wondering why I don't have any promotions available

Stephane: one moment please

Stephane: we dont give free bonuses for your country

Stephane: I can anyway offer you 20$ free on slots

ME: ? you don't offer bonuses, but still you're offering one. what's the catch?

Stephane: sorry you re bonus banned

Stephane: for more information pelase send a mail

ME: but what's that 20$ free

Stephane: not for you

Chat session has been terminated by the site operator.

I mean if they don't offer bonuses to my country, why they keep sending those offers to my mail.

No sence in that is there, especially that they contradicted themselves n said 1 minute you can have the free chip, then the next "not for you" and then closed the chat.

IMO for years iv hated rival sooo much I could shake my empty tobacco pouch at them

Numerous times on the forum I have had problems with rival.

I remember planet 23 being the biggest BS in the world.

They gave me a signup free chip. I met wr, then went to cashout and saw their terms, with your minimum deposit you had to wager it 2x or so before you could cashout..... madness... even spoke to jenny nolan their rep about it who told me about it as well

No way was I gonna do this cause it could of meant losing money.

In the end I wagered the entire amount for fun... lost it all...

a few days later they changed their terms so you dont have to wager your minimum deposit

then a few days after that they told me I now dont even have to make a minimum deposit to cashout the no deposit bonus...

They made no attempt to rectify their errors and in the end when I asked lived support to close my account they ended the chat session... it was only after I got hold of a manager that they closed it

All "whitelabel" casinos I have played at have given me problems...

Vegas regal were poor a month back.. I won nearly $400. I asked that it was flushed and was NON REVERSIBLE ever. They did that for me... a few weeks later I still hadnt been paid... As I felt like gambling I stupidly asked support to reverse it... rightfully they should of said no since I asked before to make it so I could never reverse it... but what did they do?? reversed it and I lost the lot...

Since their free chips have turned awful, all I got was a $50 free chip with 66x wr and max cashout of $50.... great


Rival is just a waste of space, poor support, games that recently have been playing tighter than anything iv seen before, very very slow payouts, bonuses that make your cringe (iv seen some 1000% bonuses with 60 wr... I mean whos gonna be that stupid to claim it and have to wager through a minimum of $/£10,000 depending on how much they deposited?), even worse no deposit bonuses that have stupidly low max cashouts and heavy WR amounts... The crap where you can deposit via card and not be able to withdraw to your card (in fact you cant withdraw to any method at all unless you deposit via a method they payout to.... wheres the logic? if they cant payout to card and cant pay to another method unless you deposit using that method then they shouldnt be accepting card...or at least state it clearly on their page)


umm what else... Slow withdrawls... some are happy to pay out a few times with no ID requests, but then all of a sudden they ask for ID...

The list goes on...

I have dropped all rivals off my affiliate list ages ago... im sure this could well be the downfall they deserve
 
I will be glad to toot your horn with you.

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I have to say it is sad. I love Rival software and have had more withdrawals on Rival than any other platform. I've had a couple of very large withdrawals from RTG but not consistent. I'm down to 3 Rival's (Black Diamond, Tropica and Vegas Regal). I had my first withdrawal from Tropica the 6th of July. Part of the delay in getting docs approved was my fault (printer wasn't working for a couple of days), however, everything was approved on Friday night. The money was in QT Monday night. I hadn't had a lot of luck there (one time I couldn't find the cashout button:D) but this time I did and now I am almost even. Black Diamond pays VERY quickly (a day or two) and my first withdrawal was $900 from a $10 free chip. I'm not waving a flag or trying to promote them but just saying there are a few that seem to be trying.

Disclaimer (My opinion and experience only...this does NOT mean anyone else will have the same;))
 
I'm so fed up with the Rival bs ... Still have $3100 processing from OrangeGamez, since June 25th...not a word have I heard from them, and they no longer respond to e-mails. Their rep on here won't respond either...I don't care how much fun their software is, if they won't pay the few times I actually win. THAT takes EVERY bit of fun out of it....SO fed up with them :(
 

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