Random Jackpot Trigger -Poll

[silcnlayc]

I would like to get opinions on what level you play for Randoms (jackpot size)...and which ones you avoid..if any..I closed my accounts at Rushmore due to the outragious randoms there knowing I would not be the one hitting it..(not that I have ever but I do not feel I would have a chance in h*ll ever to even consider or dream about hitting them at my level of play)

We all have the feeling that the larger the jackpot, the more coin size dependant it is for it to trigger..this is why I put the last 3 lines in..Would you play these knowing your play will not affect the trigger and the chance of winning is almost moot because you need to play at a higher level of coins size vs the average $1-$2? I hope I made some sense here..

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[Jasminebed]

Silc, you missed what would have been my choice: I play the games I like at the bet size I want, without regard to the RJ. I haven't hit one yet, and I may never hit one, so I don't base my play on them.

 

[LaHutti]

Silc, you missed what would have been my choice: I play the games I like at the bet size I want, without regard to the RJ. I haven't hit one yet, and I may never hit one, so I don't base my play on them.

ditto

 

[felicie]

Silc, you missed what would have been my choice: I play the games I like at the bet size I want, without regard to the RJ. I haven't hit one yet, and I may never hit one, so I don't base my play on them.

Mine also but I did hit a random jackpot at Jackpot Capital this year and didn't even realize I'd hit it at first. Was just doing my slot thing on crazy coyotes I think it was.

 

[Stovetopp]

Silc, you missed what would have been my choice: I play the games I like at the bet size I want, without regard to the RJ. I haven't hit one yet, and I may never hit one, so I don't base my play on them.

I thinki best way to enjoy is not even think about RJ I won one at CherryRed for 9k but I was playing with the 150% match on weekend for 25 bucks Was playinf 40 cents all along abd was getting ready to go to sleep anhd stepped up bet to a buck With 2 buckis left hit random . nearly fainted!!

Just aside..I always lo9ve to play paradise dreams hoping to get 5 mermaids . I have recveived 5 paradise issland before Then I checked how much 5 mermaids would pay and found out it only appears on 3 lines..LOL No wonder I could not get 5 mermaids.......Silc . I know you dont p[lay 20 or 40 cents but I wi8ll bet yo9u get one playing the minimum you are accustomed to playing It's RANDOM Mon

 

[BMWSTACK]

how about 2-6k bet dependent? definetly based upon bet for someone who plays between $2-5 a spin it drives me crazy when someone hits on 25 cents

 

[Mavin1]

Thanks for the poll, great idea. My feelings about "Random" should mean just that, random and not depend on a bet size. If it is dependant on a bet size then it is wager generated and not exactly random.
To me making a statement that the higher the wager the more likely the RJ, this is like a come on to spend more and then aren't you po'd when it's hit by someone wagering 25 cents and you have been wagering $2.00.
So the word Random and wager amount should not be connected at all for a RJ to truly be classified as random.
Thanks Silc!

 

[silcnlayc]

Mavin1:Thanks for the poll, great idea. My feelings about "Random" should mean just that, random and not depend on a bet size. If it is dependant on a bet size then it is wager generated and not exactly random.
To me making a statement that the higher the wager the more likely the RJ, this is like a come on to spend more and then aren't you po'd when it's hit by someone wagering 25 cents and you have been wagering $2.00.
So the word Random and wager amount should not be connected at all for a RJ to truly be classified as random.
Thanks Silc!

I understand that and totally agree with what you are saying but unfortunately, it seems the wager amount DOES count in these Randoms, where it shouldn't. I just like to see where people stand on the Randoms that they would like to see played and hit and at what level to feel they have a fair chance..

You see many playing $5-$100 a spin on these that hit it numerous times...(the big ones) and then you see one or 2 at the 25cent-$1 level catching one or two in long stretches. This where the casino "claims" anyone can hit these..but yet..more often than not it is the high rollers that gather the most and if it was a true Random, you would see the same sampling of players in all denominations hitting IMO.

The rapid fire was a classic example of random...I hit that quite a few times at different levels of play but NEVER over a $2 bet...that is truly random..these are come ons..period..

I play all the games but favor the highest randoms at times..I only chased one once, and it proved to me my thoughts on these were correct..it has favors.

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[just play]

I didn't vote because if the jackpot is too high I don't play that game. I don't seem to have any luck when a jackpot is high. If it is high on my favorite few games I will play a bit, then leave.

Normally I'm like the other posters, I just play my favorite games, I don't think about the jackpot because I am 100% sure I will not hit it.

 

[DogBoy001]

Thanks for the poll, great idea. My feelings about "Random" should mean just that, random and not depend on a bet size. If it is dependant on a bet size then it is wager generated and not exactly random.

Heya,

Random jackpots (i.e.: non-symbol-driven jackpots, rather those that trigger randomly) always need to be referenced against the bet size, unless they are range-based (i.e.: those that must trigger within a pre-defined range).

As I have just pointed out in the other random jackpot thread, mathematically it is impossible to have the same trigger chance for the same jackpot for a 1c total bet versus a $1 total bet (or, for that matter, a 2c total bet).
RTP would proportionately higher for the lower bet (e.g.: If total jackpot RTP comes to, say, 1% for a $1 bet, it would be 100% for a 1c bet, if the same trigger parameters were used).

Woooof

 

[silcnlayc]

just play:I didn't vote because if the jackpot is too high I don't play that game. I don't seem to have any luck when a jackpot is high. If it is high on my favorite few games I will play a bit, then leave.

just play, that is all the more reason to vote because this is for the casino operators to understand bigger is NOT always better...

You stated exactly how I feel of the larger ones..that they would be impossible to hit..and that all they do is take when a certain point is reached to adjust for the larger payoff...maybe if we get them back down to reality, (smaller randoms) we would get the games back to normal (in playtime/payouts) and start enjoying them again..

Please take the time to vote and get our voices heard....

 

[Pinababy69]

Silc, you missed what would have been my choice: I play the games I like at the bet size I want, without regard to the RJ. I haven't hit one yet, and I may never hit one, so I don't base my play on them.

You took the words right out of my mouth Jazzie. I never play a game based on a RJ...seldom even glance at them. I just play whatever game I'm in the mood for. I figure if I'm meant to win one, it will just happen. If I'm not, it won't. And it is just as likely to go off at $1,500 as it is at $15,000...random.

Playing with the goal of winning a RJ is, IMO, a form of chasing, something I do my best to avoid while gambling.

 

[zebedy]

You took the words right out of my mouth Jazzie. I never play a game based on a RJ...seldom even glance at them. I just play whatever game I'm in the mood for. I figure if I'm meant to win one, it will just happen. If I'm not, it won't. And it is just as likely to go off at $1,500 as it is at $15,000...random.

Playing with the goal of winning a RJ is, IMO, a form of chasing, something I do my best to avoid while gambling.

Ditto.
thanks pina you saved me some typing

 

[silcnlayc]

Playing with the goal of winning a RJ is, IMO, a form of chasing, something I do my best to avoid while gambling.

I guess I did not say it correctly or did a good job getting my point across on this poll. The payouts to players (RTP) is being affected by these randoms (I read this somewhere I believe) and that is why we have so many disgruntled players, having to play with a bigger bankroll to accomodate the higher randoms.

If you do not play to win , then I believe you are lying to yourselves. Why else do you complain about the games not payouing out as they used to?? I play to win and HAVE FUN, but that cannot be done anymore because the casinos have tightened up on the RTP to allow for larger Randoms...am I repeating myself here??

So, this poll is not just for the randoms, it is for the overall play and if you would rather have smaller randoms with more play or RTP vs the larger randoms with less RTP.

I guess maybe I didn't get it across correctly since there are a few that did not understand...and thought it was about chasing randoms..it is not, it is about what the casinos have done to the games to reflect the larger jackpots and hurting the little guy in all of this.

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[KasinoKing]

Thanks for the poll, great idea. My feelings about "Random" should mean just that, random and not depend on a bet size. If it is dependant on a bet size then it is wager generated and not exactly random.

The randoms are NOT dependent on bet size per se.

Think of your national or local state lottery;
If you buy one $1 ticket you have 1 chance to win the jackpot.
If you bought TEN $1 tickets you have spent 10 x more, but now have 10 chances to win the jackpot.

RTG slots are exactly the same - the more "tickets" you buy, the more chance you have of winning.

So one $10 spin is 10 x more likely to win the jackpot than one $1 spin.
But TEN $1 spins have the exact same chance as ONE $10 spin.
You get the same number of chances for your total spend regardless of individual bet sizes.

Get it now?

Heya,

Random jackpots (i.e.: non-symbol-driven jackpots, rather those that trigger randomly) always need to be referenced against the bet size, unless they are range-based (i.e.: those that must trigger within a pre-defined range).

Please Mr.DogBoy, can you confirm if ANY RTG casinos use a "Range-Based" Trigger?

Also, can you confirm that individual casinos and/or slots can have their randoms set to go off with a different probability to other ones?

Thanks!
KK

 

[gloria460]

I sometimes look to see what the RJ is and if it's big then I totally skip that game or play only a few spins. To me when they get big the game itself will be herky jerky and doesn't spin well at all and many times don't pay well.

I won a RJ in free mode..lol I see what you're getting at Silnlayc but that's done to get more people to play the RJ. The bigger it is the more people will chase it making more money for the casino.

The one thing I believe that the RTG casinos don't understand is if you have a small amout for gambling or you're mostly a low roller you're not going to be depositing much at a RTG casino due to the poor payout or variance on most of their games. If I'm down to my last 50.00 it most definitely won't be going into RTG. I love their games but I don't play them as much as I would like to bc of the poor payouts.

 

[LaurieJim]

I really never look at the size of the jackpot, the ones that i have hit, i didnt go looking for it, example: down to my last bit at Jackpot Capital, played 50 cents and hit the RJ which someone had just hit, just over 1k, so i think it can be hit at anytime no matter the size or amount you bet imo...........laurie

 

[Dinahnana]

I would like to get opinions on what level you play for Randoms (jackpot size)...and which ones you avoid..if any..I closed my accounts at Rushmore due to the outragious randoms there knowing I would not be the one hitting it..(not that I have ever but I do not feel I would have a chance in h*ll ever to even consider or dream about hitting them at my level of play)

We all have the feeling that the larger the jackpot, the more coin size dependant it is for it to trigger..this is why I put the last 3 lines in..Would you play these knowing your play will not affect the trigger and the chance of winning is almost moot because you need to play at a higher level of coins size vs the average $1-$2? I hope I made some sense here..

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I hit my jackpot at $2 and it was totally unexpected. When I get my bankroll up I like to go from $1 to $2 a bet and pick the slots that my spidey senses tell me are hot. Of course those senses malfunction often that not. At $2 a bet I don't expect the RJ but at $2 a bet when those bonus rounds hit it could give me a nice chunk of change.

 

[silcnlayc]

gloria460:I won a RJ in free mode..lol I see what you're getting at Silnlayc but that's done to get more people to play the RJ. The bigger it is the more people will chase it making more money for the casino.

The one thing I believe that the RTG casinos don't understand is if you have a small amout for gambling or you're mostly a low roller you're not going to be depositing much at a RTG casino due to the poor payout or variance on most of their games. If I'm down to my last 50.00 it most definitely won't be going into RTG. I love their games but I don't play them as much as I would like to bc of the poor payouts.

Thank you gloria460! Yes, this is what I am getting at. Are RTG's happy that a lot of players have left them due to their changes of the Randoms in less payouts/play...
Finally! someone is understanding !!

lauriejim I really never look at the size of the jackpot, the ones that i have hit, i didnt go looking for it, example: down to my last bit at Jackpot Capital, played 50 cents and hit the RJ which someone had just hit, just over 1k, so i think it can be hit at anytime no matter the size or amount you bet imo...........laurie

But how long ago was this laurie?? If I had to guess it had to be over a year or two ago because I have not seen one hit for less than a few thousand anymore!

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[Mavin1]

I guess I did not say it correctly or did a good job getting my point across on this poll. The payouts to players (RTP) is being affected by these randoms (I read this somewhere I believe) and that is why we have so many disgruntled players, having to play with a bigger bankroll to accomodate the higher randoms.

If you do not play to win , then I believe you are lying to yourselves. Why else do you complain about the games not payouing out as they used to?? I play to win and HAVE FUN, but that cannot be done anymore because the casinos have tightened up on the RTP to allow for larger Randoms...am I repeating myself here??

So, this poll is not just for the randoms, it is for the overall play and if you would rather have smaller randoms with more play or RTP vs the larger randoms with less RTP.

I guess maybe I didn't get it across correctly since there are a few that did not understand...and thought it was about chasing randoms..it is not, it is about what the casinos have done to the games to reflect the larger jackpots and hurting the little guy in all of this.

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Couldn't agree with you more, I too think the RJ's are affecting the overall play and return. What I would really like to see at these RTG casinos is some multiline slots with no RJ attached to them.
Why in the heck does every single one have to have a Random Jackpot anyways?!
Give us some multiline slots without the RJ and lets see how they play.



The randoms are NOT dependent on bet size per se.

Think of your national or local state lottery;
If you buy one $1 ticket you have 1 chance to win the jackpot.
If you bought TEN $1 tickets you have spent 10 x more, but now have 10 chances to win the jackpot.

RTG slots are exactly the same - the more "tickets" you buy, the more chance you have of winning.

So one $10 spin is 10 x more likely to win the jackpot than one $1 spin.
But TEN $1 spins have the exact same chance as ONE $10 spin.
You get the same number of chances for your total spend regardless of individual bet sizes.

Get it now?

Uh yeah, but I will ignore the subtle insinuation that I'm an idiot, it wasn't the point I was trying to make. My point was the amount played should not increase of decrease the odds one way or another, but that's just my way of thinking it should be.

The real issue as Silc has stated, is the fact that even having the Randoms, especially the monsterous ones are seriously affecting the overall return and length of sessions a player now experiences compared to a few years ago.
And like I stated above, I would rather RTG would make some mulitline slots available to the playing public with no RJ attached to it. To bad that wasn't on the vote listing, I would have voted for it as well.

 

[eu_lowroller]

I always lo9ve to play paradise dreams hoping to get 5 mermaids

i'm sure, you mean "mermaid queens" ;-)

and yes, there are only mermaids at line 1, 3 and 4

 

[DogBoy001]

Please Mr.DogBoy, can you confirm if ANY RTG casinos use a "Range-Based" Trigger?

Heya,

No, there are no range-based jackpots.
Not that there's anything wrong with these type of jackpots, which are common in the physical market, but they would be advertised as such.

Also, can you confirm that individual casinos and/or slots can have their randoms set to go off with a different probability to other ones?

There are two possibilities, standard and those that group with a higher seed.
The higher seed jackpots have an adjusted trigger probability (down) to stay within the advertised jackpot RTP contribution.

Grouping is, however, possible with no adjustment to the standard trigger probability. In these instances the seed is still, for example, $1000, but multiple games are all contributing to the one jackpot.

Hope it helps

Woooof

 

[DogBoy001]

The real issue as Silc has stated, is the fact that even having the Randoms, especially the monsterous ones are seriously affecting the overall return and length of sessions a player now experiences compared to a few years ago.
And like I stated above, I would rather RTG would make some mulitline slots available to the playing public with no RJ attached to it. To bad that wasn't on the vote listing, I would have voted for it as well.

Heya,

You do realise that this would result in the game having slightly over 1% better RTP than it currently does?
It's not as if we're talking about RTP that could "seriously affect" game play.

1% extra RTP, well we could use that to have a reel strip that takes average trigger rate from about 1 in 115 to 1 in 113 for example, or has a fractionally better pay for one or two symbols (and I mean fractionally)...it's not enough RTP to do anything meaningful with.

If we used it, for example, to produce a slot that had a scatter prize of 500 for the top (5 scatters) and 30 for 4 scatters (instead of say 200 and 20), would that make a meaningful difference to play?
And if you say, yes! 5 scatters paying 500, fantastic!, then I'll say: Great, you're chances of getting 5 scatters is usually approximate to the chance of triggering a random...and the randoms tend to pay more (unless you're on a big bet with a scatter hit)

Wooof

 

[gloria460]

The random jackpots are seeded by the players and a very small percent is taken from each player to do that. Why in the world would RTG change the payout from say a year ago to having created multiple complaints of the slots being so tight? This has created player distrust and a decrease in deposits which in return causes them to tighten the slots even more in MO..they need to get back on track and they will see an increase in deposits and a decrease in complaints.

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[DogBoy001]

The random jackpots are seeded by the players and a very small percent is taken from each player to do that. Why in the world would RTG change the payout from say a year ago to having created multiple complaints of the slots being so tight? This has created player distrust and a decrease in deposits which in return causes them to tighten the slots even more in MO..they need to get back on track and they will see an increase in deposits and a decrease in complaints.

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Heya,

Jackpots have not changed since they were introduced back in 2004, other than:

a) Some operators grouping some slots (contributing to same jackpot, with or without a higher seed) and
b) The recent introduction of minor and major jackpots

RTP has remained as per its original level (subsequently the rules pages were modified to indicate that the total RTP consumption is under 1.5%).

In the case of jackpots the average prize is the (seed amount + the increment * 1/trigger probability).
As this trigger probability is proportional to the player's wager, RTP effectively allocated to the jackpots is consistent across all bet levels.

It is erroneous to think that the seed amount is a distinct amount "taken from players". The jackpots are simply another prize just as if it were a 3 of a kind, and that prize has a certain probability of hitting, and the RTP consumed by the jackpots is (probability * average prize), as it is with all prizes.

Woooof