TheSchwad
Experienced Member
Has anyone ever had a WildLine on Cazino Zepplin Reloaded?
I've been hitting it hard for months now, and after 2,008 bonuses I still haven't hit one.
What is obvious to me; after all this play; is the pre-determined nature of the bonuses, it's essentially a scratch card bonus, and loads of patterns are noticeable.
Questions Upfront (For those that can't be bothered to read the rest)
Does Extra Bet really double the chance of a bonus?
Surely a 5x3 reel games cannot have a Bonus Frequency of 450+ (worse than bonanza) when not using Extra Bet?
Does anyone have the game sheet stats? - interested in Bonus Frequency & WL Frequency
Keys Stats: (all with Extra Bet on 25% extra stake cost)
Total Estimated Spins = 475,000 ( slightly less than half the bonuses were tracked, so estimate based on remaining 1014 untracked bonuses at 1/236 bonus frequency)
5 Scatter Triggers (20 Spins Start) (700x bonus buy cost) = 1
4 Scatter Triggers (15 Spin Start) (300x bonus buy cost) = 58 (1/34 bonuses frequency
Retriggers = 24 (1/83 bonuses frequency)
2000x+ hits = 4 (1/500 bonuses frequency)
1000x+ hits = 16 1/125 bonuses frequency)
500x hits+ = 39 (1/51 bonuses frequency)
Biggest Base Game = 800x (would've been 1000x without Extra Bet on)
Bonus Frequency = 1/236 (Based on 235,558 Tracked spins, & 994 bonuses)
Observations
Without a WL the RTP has stayed fairly consistent close to the 96% stated return from about 10,000 spins onwards - surely a WL would now throw this out, due to the delivery of the Wild multipliers in the bonus its likely a WL would be 10,000x minimum. The few WL's on YouTube and the one on this forum all paid over 10,000x.
The Wilds sticking on the bonus trigger rarely help, I've had many bonuses with 3 wilds on the trigger but no more are forthcoming during the bonus (you normally get at least 3 in a ten-spin bonus) again adding to the conclusion the win is completely pre-determined.
Early Wilds mean low payout, Wilds rarely land before the fifth/sixth spin, an early Wild or worse 2, essentially kill the bonus and no more are forthcoming. Even on 15 spin bonuses, Wilds rarely land until only 5/6 spins remain.
During my months of play, a few sites removed the game, which coincided with the release of its clone Aphrodite Goes Wild. A game released at max 94% RTP, forcing its customers who like this style of game to play a substandard version.
Even playing at 25p you can lose thousands of £'s.
Patterns
Having played many spins through this game, there are very noticeable patterns. No matter which site it's played on, or even when paying on 2 sites simultaneously, one of the patterns may persist on any given day. I know humans naturally see patterns that are not really there to make sense of the world, but these are too obvious to not notice.
The game seems to have a 10x min return in the bonus; only one bonus in 2,008 paid zero and delivered no wilds, this bonus incidentally paid 15x on the trigger. Days when the game is very bonus happy (10 in an hour) all will pays just above 10x.
Most bonuses are naturally triggered with the third Scatter on the fifth reel, at least one day a week, nearly every bonus is triggered with Scatters on the first 3 reels.
2 Wilds can land on the same reel in a single spin (not a visual error as they both add to the Wild Multiplier), this is something only seen about every 300 bonuses, but then will happen several times on the same day, then not again for a few weeks.
Summary
Overall, it's a decent game, despite not hitting the hallowed WL, and certainly runs to RTP, I just wish the bonuses were less predictable (more like DOA).
Doubt I'll continue on the WL hunt, even though its the last one to collect amongst these style games.
I've been hitting it hard for months now, and after 2,008 bonuses I still haven't hit one.
What is obvious to me; after all this play; is the pre-determined nature of the bonuses, it's essentially a scratch card bonus, and loads of patterns are noticeable.
Questions Upfront (For those that can't be bothered to read the rest)
Does Extra Bet really double the chance of a bonus?
Surely a 5x3 reel games cannot have a Bonus Frequency of 450+ (worse than bonanza) when not using Extra Bet?
Does anyone have the game sheet stats? - interested in Bonus Frequency & WL Frequency
Keys Stats: (all with Extra Bet on 25% extra stake cost)
Total Estimated Spins = 475,000 ( slightly less than half the bonuses were tracked, so estimate based on remaining 1014 untracked bonuses at 1/236 bonus frequency)
5 Scatter Triggers (20 Spins Start) (700x bonus buy cost) = 1
4 Scatter Triggers (15 Spin Start) (300x bonus buy cost) = 58 (1/34 bonuses frequency
Retriggers = 24 (1/83 bonuses frequency)
2000x+ hits = 4 (1/500 bonuses frequency)
1000x+ hits = 16 1/125 bonuses frequency)
500x hits+ = 39 (1/51 bonuses frequency)
Biggest Base Game = 800x (would've been 1000x without Extra Bet on)
Bonus Frequency = 1/236 (Based on 235,558 Tracked spins, & 994 bonuses)
Observations
Without a WL the RTP has stayed fairly consistent close to the 96% stated return from about 10,000 spins onwards - surely a WL would now throw this out, due to the delivery of the Wild multipliers in the bonus its likely a WL would be 10,000x minimum. The few WL's on YouTube and the one on this forum all paid over 10,000x.
The Wilds sticking on the bonus trigger rarely help, I've had many bonuses with 3 wilds on the trigger but no more are forthcoming during the bonus (you normally get at least 3 in a ten-spin bonus) again adding to the conclusion the win is completely pre-determined.
Early Wilds mean low payout, Wilds rarely land before the fifth/sixth spin, an early Wild or worse 2, essentially kill the bonus and no more are forthcoming. Even on 15 spin bonuses, Wilds rarely land until only 5/6 spins remain.
During my months of play, a few sites removed the game, which coincided with the release of its clone Aphrodite Goes Wild. A game released at max 94% RTP, forcing its customers who like this style of game to play a substandard version.
Even playing at 25p you can lose thousands of £'s.
Patterns
Having played many spins through this game, there are very noticeable patterns. No matter which site it's played on, or even when paying on 2 sites simultaneously, one of the patterns may persist on any given day. I know humans naturally see patterns that are not really there to make sense of the world, but these are too obvious to not notice.
The game seems to have a 10x min return in the bonus; only one bonus in 2,008 paid zero and delivered no wilds, this bonus incidentally paid 15x on the trigger. Days when the game is very bonus happy (10 in an hour) all will pays just above 10x.
Most bonuses are naturally triggered with the third Scatter on the fifth reel, at least one day a week, nearly every bonus is triggered with Scatters on the first 3 reels.
2 Wilds can land on the same reel in a single spin (not a visual error as they both add to the Wild Multiplier), this is something only seen about every 300 bonuses, but then will happen several times on the same day, then not again for a few weeks.
Summary
Overall, it's a decent game, despite not hitting the hallowed WL, and certainly runs to RTP, I just wish the bonuses were less predictable (more like DOA).
Doubt I'll continue on the WL hunt, even though its the last one to collect amongst these style games.
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