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Question Proxies and Online Casino

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by chipsandchicks, Jun 20, 2012.

    Jun 20, 2012
  1. chipsandchicks

    chipsandchicks Dormant account

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    I cannot access casino sites here in my country as it is illegal. Is it safe if I use proxies to access these sites? Thanks. :)
     
  2. Jun 20, 2012
  3. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

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    It would be fine and dandy to play, but what are you going to do if you win, and have to provide documentation upon cashout? You will need proof of address, among other things. You would more than likely end up having your cashout voided.

    If you are not allowed to play, then you're not...period. Play in fun mode if it's a necessity for you.
     
  4. Jun 20, 2012
  5. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Is that a SERIOUS question?

    If so, you are asking Casinomeister members to assist you in deliberately breaking the law in your country, and misrepresenting yourself to online casinos to trick them into possibly breaching that same law.....and to be deliberately dishonest.
     
  6. Jun 20, 2012
  7. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    lol, isn't gambling illegal in the US?
     
  8. Jun 20, 2012
  9. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Then don't do it.

    It depends which states. But generally no, it's not illegal. It's the payment processing that runs into probs.
     
  10. Jun 20, 2012
  11. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    I'm not American,so I'm not up on the laws. But if it isn't illegal for Americans to gamble online,why are there so many concerns, limitations where they can play, and interest in new gambling laws?
     
  12. Jun 20, 2012
  13. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Very simple - because the US Government can't work out a way to tax it.
    Honestly - that IS the only reason.

    KK
     
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  14. Jun 20, 2012
  15. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    well, if it's legal, what's the issue then? why arent all casinos saying 'come play, you're responible for your own paying or not paying of taxes like everyone else'..I mean, why do they (the casinos)care about your taxes?
     
  16. Jun 20, 2012
  17. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    The casinos don't care about your taxes - the Government does.

    It is the US Government who are making things extremely difficult for the players - not the casinos.
    They obviously have a very dim view of casino softwares providing their services to US players, so many of them (MG, Playtech, IGT & the like) made their own decision not to piss-off the US lawmakers. The only softwares left for the USA are those who have decided to risk it because the rewards can be pretty high, or those who just don't give a toss.
    All IMPO ;)

    KK
     
  18. Jun 20, 2012
  19. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    but there's the crux? how can they piss them off if they aren't doing anything illegal?
     
  20. Jun 20, 2012
  21. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    Sorry, I'm just not grasping this. If it's legal for Americans to gamble online, then they needn't worry about their bank accounts, where to withdraw to. They win,they claim it,they pay their taxes. If it's legal,why would a casino worry about allowing Americans to play? The casino isn't responsible for the taxes a player pays, so who would they upset by having US players welcome in the casino? Not the law-makers if having US players is legal.
     
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  22. Jun 20, 2012
  23. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Welcome to the United Nanny States of America. :p

    There are very few laws in the States that prohibit players to gamble online. In fact, a number of States allow people to bet online on animals scurrying around a race track (parimutuel betting). But that's peanuts to the crux of bets - online casino games, poker and sports betting is huge - running into billions of dollars annually. Unfortunately, as KK has mentioned, the US government has tried to stop this as much as possible since there never has been the infrastructure to properly tax the operators. Individual tax is not this issue; it's the licensing and bureaucracy that has baffled everyone.

    So in order to stop the money flow, the US government sneaked a bill (the UIGEA) in at the last possible minutes before a Senate vacation. In one of the most devious and politically corrupt manner, the bill was passed that outlawed money transactions for "illegal gambling." You could spend all day trying to define "illegal gambling." Is it illegal if the casino has no license? What about proper European licensing? It was one of the most poorly written laws that has recently been passed that affects so many.

    More here:
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    And here:
    So it's the money transactions that may be illegal. But who wants to fight the DoJ in court? It's dirty politics all revolving around greed. The US government has a history of fighting dirty against whatever ails it - and it's usually big business that are the puppet masters. It was the land based Vegas casinos and the NFL that convinced $$ lawmakers to try and kill online gaming in the States. Obviously, it didn't work. :p
     
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  24. Jun 20, 2012
  25. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    Thanks Bryan. I'm so very glad it isn't my headache lol
     
  26. Jun 20, 2012
  27. immortality

    immortality Senior Member

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    This was how the Federal Reserve banking system was set up also, sneakily.....

    How hungry can governments be, I also came to the same conclusion as KK, all down to taxing the winnings!
     
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  28. Jun 20, 2012
  29. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    @ the OP, there`s no need for me to add to what the others have said, but I will say this, casinos have very complex security suite`s in place with the main tasks of - protecting their customers banking details etc and protecting themselves from hackers, multi account abusers, fraudsters and the like, any half decent security software will pick up on someone logging in behind a relayed proxy server and set the alarm bells ringing.

    Using a proxy will camouflage your true IP no doubting that, but, it will not however disguise or change the unique ID numbers that your hardware has, the registration key of your OS and a whole heap more.

    Trust me and what the others have told you, do not do this or you will find yourself in a whole heap of trouble.
     
  30. Jun 20, 2012
  31. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Yes that's right. But not taxing the player's winnings - the casino's winnings.
    The players usually lose (we all know that), so it is the casino's who usually win. And on a global scale, their wins can be MASSIVE.
    The problem for the US Government, is that they can't tax casino operators who are not located in US territory. That is the crux of the issue.

    KK
     
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  32. Jun 20, 2012
  33. immortality

    immortality Senior Member

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    Isn't this something similar to what will be happening here in the uk? UK run online casinos, based off shore so they avoid being taxed, I remember seeing this somewhere, I vaguely remember some talk about this:confused: About the government wanting to tax off shore online casinos?
     
  34. Jun 26, 2012
  35. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    United Kingdom
    It would be similar for any player in a country that tries to stop them playing. With the US, many operators have decided to ban US players, even though there is debate over whether the laws make gambling illegal. Casinos similarly may have Philippines listed as a banned country, so using a proxy to slip past this and play would have the casino voiding any winnings for breaking this term. The use of a proxy itself will have the casino wondering why this has been done, and will presume it is down to the player trying to get one over on the casino. The result will be the same, winnings confiscated.

    The only solution is to find a casino operator prepared to assist in bypassing the laws in the Philippines as some do with the US and UIGEA. If one is found, it will most likely be part of a rogue group, and the eventual outcome is STILL going to be the same, voided winnings.

    The final risk is what the authorities would do to an individual in the Philippines if they were found to have conspired with an offshore operator in order to play. The offshore operator will be out of reach, so will not care what the risk to the player is, only the risk to them.

    So far, individual US players have not been rounded up and jailed for playing online, although they have had their money confiscated en route by the government with no means to protest the seizure without admitting to taking part in an "illegal money transfer". This means US players continue to play, and some operators will continue to accept them.

    The law in the Philippines is different. For starters, ISPs have to block access to gambling sites, which means that players have to make a deliberate effort to bypass the blocks and access them. Receipt of winnings is also going to be a problem, as any incoming transfer to an individual related to a gambling operation based offshore is going to be regarded as highly suspicious, and lead to an investigation.

    As players have found in the US, depositing is not generally a problem, it is withdrawing their money back into the country when they win that causes so much stress and misery.
     
  36. Jun 27, 2012
  37. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    @chipsandchicks

    If you require legal advice regarding your question, please contact a qualified solicitor in your country. Do not make decisions based on opinions expressed in public forums.
     
  38. Jun 29, 2012
  39. chipsandchicks

    chipsandchicks Dormant account

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    Hi guys, thanks for all your enlightening replies. I really appreciate it. I think I'd be contented with playing for fun rather than going through all the hassles of withdrawal issues--not to mention the fact that the mere act per se is illegal. :) Thanks. Kudos to all of you. :thumbsup:
     
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