Venting Playojo scam?

[triplejjj]

Sorry, You seem to be misunderstanding me. By definition playojo scammed me. i do not care to get it resolved i would just like it to be known that they scam. Instead you try to defend them. And try to say im a liar. They have scammed i just wish that to be known. they did and you put a bogus header on my thread? if you can elaborate on how its bogus since if you are struggling to understand the definition of words so you know it means not genuine or not true. what have i said which is not genuine or not true? please do not make a fake poorly taken screenshot.

 

[maxd]

Okay, enough with the hostility. I did not make a "fake" screenshot, I mistakenly took the "David Smith" review from 06 June to be yours and screenshot a part of that that I thought was relevant to the issue at hand. That's not a "fake" that's a mistake, big difference.

I have not suggested you were a liar. I have said that you've been calling PlayOjo a "scam" since the beginning -- as far as one can determine -- contrary to your claim to have "never badmouthed just criticised". The point, whatever the timeline may be, is that you are doing everything you can to discredit the casino -- please recall that you started by calling them "useless c***s" and made it clear that you were "making lots of posts on lots of forums" -- and for what? Because "they restricted my account without telling me" and (apparently) didn't give you a bonus or something?

The issue is that your hostility and abuse is WAY out of proportion with the facts of your case, as far as can be determined from what you've said and done thus far. As previously mentioned, if you think you have a real case against PlayOjo then file a PAB. That's where you can make your case and present whatever evidence might be relevant. Otherwise you're just raging on against them for no good reason -- or so it seems -- and as Casinomeister has pointed out, that's a violation of the Forum Rules.

So here's the bottom line:

1. if you want to prove your case against the casino then file a PAB, otherwise you've said your piece and enough is enough.
2. if you keep banging on about this contrary to the warnings you've been given you will find that your posts will be Moderated, meaning they'll have to be approved by a moderator before they appear on the forums. Any further posts on this particular subject will likely be discarded without further comment.
3. if you keep trying to discredit Casinomeister in general or me in particular with your false statements that I "lie" and "make stuff up" and so forth you'll simply get the boot: see Forum Rules item 1.19.

Hopefully that's clear and you will chose a reasonable path forward.

- Max

 

[triplejjj]

i will address your points. Okay, enough with the hostility. I did not make a "fake" screenshot, I mistakenly took the "David Smith" review from 06 June to be yours and screenshot a part of that that I thought was relevant to the issue at hand. That's not a "fake" that's a mistake, big difference.
how so? everything i have stated has been fact, you chose to come to different understanding and tried to connect the dots incorrectly. Then try to discredit me. Their is a different regardless of a mistake or not your intent was purely to discredit me.

" The point, whatever the timeline may be, is that you are doing everything you can to discredit the casino -- please recall that you started by calling them "useless c***s" and made it clear that you were "making lots of posts on lots of forums" -- and for what? Because "they restricted my account without telling me" and (apparently) didn't give you a bonus or something? "

If you are admitting that me sharing my experience is discrediting the casino then by you are acknowledging that they scammed me then i abused them. timeline does matter. I dont care for the free spins. The fact i deposited for them and was not awarded them whilst at the same time ignoring me. Is enough to warn others that you may be scammed like i have, Honestly im not being hostile. your input into this thread has been nothing but brain rot. All you have done is misunderstood and make false claims justifying what the casino has done. When in fact you know nothing of the matter even though i told you everything. Yet you claim this to be bogus?

Simple question how is it bogus if everything i said is documented and fact? Can still upload chats with the casino, deposit history etc. I have a theory that you are connected to the casino and they do affiliate like offers so you are trying to keep propping up a genuine scammer because you have some kind of affiliation with them. Is this true? Hence tagging the post as bogus to make it looked like they never scammed?

just read this, will be a lot easier for you.

I just noticed that after all of this you are not even reading the posts so me typing is pointless. you still dont know that i deposited via a deposit bonus with a code, they ignore me when i tried contacting them about it. i tried depositing again with the code it still never worked, then after days of trying to contact they say we restricted your account due to comments you made. due to a poor review. Thats it simple.

 

[triplejjj]

" Otherwise you're just raging on against them for no good reason " They scammed me, that is a good enough reason if their ever was one .id rather tell people they scammed me which they did. In the hope less people are scammed by them in the future.


1.11 - Please do not exploit this board to promote your own personal agenda: If the moderators (and members) feel that you are harassing members with agenda laden posts, or consistently ragging on a casino that did you wrong, etc., you might be counseled by the admins of the site (like me) and/or your account may be suspended. If you have a crusade to lead, there are plenty of domain names out there that you can purchase and create your own personal whinge site. Casinomeister's forum is not the place to do this.


So if i get scammed and call them a scammer im in the wrong but they can scam me and continue to be constantly promoted by this forum? Evidently i am wasting my time further replying here. As far as a dictatorship for a forum goes this is pretty good ive just been admonished for telling people that i got scammed by a casino with proof. so yeah.

 

[jasonuk]

Honestly im not being hostile. your input into this thread has been nothing but brain rot.

Accusing someone who has been dealing with player arbitration for more than a decade that their experienced opinion is "nothing but brain rot" is a bold play... Additionally, if you're "not being hostile" I dread to think what someone actually being hostile looks like.

Similarly, looking at their terms...

(12) We reserve the right to cancel promotions or reward offers, of any kind at any time, without prior notice. Any such cancellation will not affect an award already redeemed.

I dislike such catch-all terms, but their house and their rules. You posted the negative review, their choice to be petty and withhold promotions from you - that isn't a scam, as much as you want it to be. Perhaps they could have issued that set then cut you off, but the rules clearly state they don't have to give you prior notice.

Similarly, I can predict what is behind Door 3 of Monty's Max's Let's Make A Deal:

 

[triplejjj]

Accusing someone who has been dealing with player arbitration for more than a decade that their experienced opinion is "nothing but brain rot" is a bold play... Additionally, if you're "not being hostile" I dread to think what someone actually being hostile looks like.

Similarly, looking at their terms...

I dislike such catch-all terms, but their house and their rules. You posted the negative review, their choice to be petty and withhold promotions from you - that isn't a scam, as much as you want it to be. Perhaps they could have issued that set then cut you off, but the rules clearly state they don't have to give you prior notice.

Similarly, I can predict what is behind Door 3 of Monty's Max's Let's Make A Deal:

Honestly thank you for your response. the moderator was making mistakes which led to him making false accusations about me and posting irrelevant stuff that's why I say he contributed brain rot. The point about them being bias still stands. Simply its

12) We reserve the right to cancel promotions or reward offers, of any kind at any time, without prior notice. Any such cancellation will not affect an award already redeemed.

Technically i was never awarded the free spins in the first place for them to cancel it and it was not canceled. They simply blocked my account from receiving the rewards from promotions without telling me untill after i deposited and chased them up on it. whilst actively being shown promotions on my account. I mean they are in their right to not give me what they promised i get that.

but does that make the complaint bogus because if they told me that i couldn't receive promotions that would be fine because i wouldn't play their. The fact they done it secretly is one of the bigger issues i have and if they did not do that all this would be avoided.

 

[dunover]

Honestly thank you for your response. the moderator was making mistakes which led to him making false accusations about me and posting irrelevant stuff that's why I say he contributed brain rot. The point about them being bias still stands. Simply its

12) We reserve the right to cancel promotions or reward offers, of any kind at any time, without prior notice. Any such cancellation will not affect an award already redeemed.

Technically i was never awarded the free spins in the first place for them to cancel it and it was not canceled. They simply blocked my account from receiving the rewards from promotions without telling me untill after i deposited and chased them up on it. whilst actively being shown promotions on my account. I mean they are in their right to not give me what they promised i get that.

but does that make the complaint bogus because if they told me that i couldn't receive promotions that would be fine because i wouldn't play their. The fact they done it secretly is one of the bigger issues i have and if they did not do that all this would be avoided.

So if that was the case, why did you not simply withdraw the deposit after establishing they were not going to bonus you, and quit the site?

You state you made two deposits using a bonus code which wasn't actioned. Why was the issue not sorted on chat or by CS before the second attempt?

You clearly still wanted to gamble there after the bonuses were not applied as you didn't close the account and run. they have not 'scammed' you at all, at worst a small lack of communication if we take your version as gospel. Did they refuse to refund your deposits before you were 'scammed' into making them? I take it you lost them which I guess is the root cause of this antagonism.

So what are you actually trying to achieve here, apart from rubbing people up the wrong way? What do you think is an acceptable outcome for you and why? When you look into this in any depth, it's a pretty trivial issue.

 

[jasonuk]

Honestly thank you for your response. the moderator was making mistakes which led to him making false accusations about me and posting irrelevant stuff that's why I say he contributed brain rot.

He did make one, which he apologised for - but you have to appreciate your initial post is a country mile away from what would be considered reasonable conduct in this scenario. I can imagine a lot of businesses (thinking beyond gambling) would cease correspondence with you with that tone and behaviour.

Scam accusations are commonplace, and it's important for any player-focused community to distil actual scams and frauds from people crying wolf - in your case they've been petty but sadly it's allowed under their (rather wide) terms and conditions. If they had say also confiscated your deposits without fair reason, then there would be more concern.

12) We reserve the right to cancel promotions or reward offers, of any kind at any time, without prior notice. Any such cancellation will not affect an award already redeemed.

Technically i was never awarded the free spins in the first place for them to cancel it and it was not canceled. They simply blocked my account from receiving the rewards from promotions without telling me untill after i deposited and chased them up on it.

My reading of clause 12 is one step earlier in the pipeline - they are voiding your access to the promotion, rather than cancelling already awarded free spins. If you had received them, the second sentence is perhaps suggesting you'd have been allowed to keep them. Their behaviour isn't ideal in this situation either - but operators have a duty of care to their staff and thus do have to act aggressively when customers have verbally "abused them".

As @dunover says - what are you looking for here. If it's a smear campaign against the casino (door 2) or Max (door 3), then it's not going to end well and you'll end up moderated or booted. Despite everything said, Max has suggested the Player Arbitration (PAB) service is available - alternatively take it as a learning experience.

 

[Casinomeister]

i will address your points. Okay, enough with the hostility. I did not make a "fake" screenshot, I mistakenly took the "David Smith" review from 06 June to be yours and screenshot a part of that that I thought was relevant to the issue at hand. That's not a "fake" that's a mistake, big difference.
how so? everything i have stated has been fact, you chose to come to different understanding and tried to connect the dots incorrectly. Then try to discredit me. Their is a different regardless of a mistake or not your intent was purely to discredit me.

" The point, whatever the timeline may be, is that you are doing everything you can to discredit the casino -- please recall that you started by calling them "useless c***s" and made it clear that you were "making lots of posts on lots of forums" -- and for what? Because "they restricted my account without telling me" and (apparently) didn't give you a bonus or something? "

If you are admitting that me sharing my experience is discrediting the casino then by you are acknowledging that they scammed me then i abused them. timeline does matter. I dont care for the free spins. The fact i deposited for them and was not awarded them whilst at the same time ignoring me. Is enough to warn others that you may be scammed like i have, Honestly im not being hostile. your input into this thread has been nothing but brain rot. All you have done is misunderstood and make false claims justifying what the casino has done. When in fact you know nothing of the matter even though i told you everything. Yet you claim this to be bogus?

Simple question how is it bogus if everything i said is documented and fact? Can still upload chats with the casino, deposit history etc. I have a theory that you are connected to the casino and they do affiliate like offers so you are trying to keep propping up a genuine scammer because you have some kind of affiliation with them. Is this true? Hence tagging the post as bogus to make it looked like they never scammed?

just read this, will be a lot easier for you.

I just noticed that after all of this you are not even reading the posts so me typing is pointless. you still dont know that i deposited via a deposit bonus with a code, they ignore me when i tried contacting them about it. i tried depositing again with the code it still never worked, then after days of trying to contact they say we restricted your account due to comments you made. due to a poor review. Thats it simple.

You are a frog's breath away of getting the boot here.

Max is not just a "moderator" he is a chief administrator and our complaints manager. Telling him that his participation here is "brain rot" is enough to get the boot. Accusations that he is biased towards any casino is defamation in my opinion. You better have some evidence to back that up. Max has been officially dealing with player arbitration here since 2007. He has NEVER shown bias or favouritism towards any casino property. That is a fact. I have ensured that there is a disconnect between our advertising and PAB management so as not to taint any findings we have for or against a casino. This has been in place since the beginning. So if you think you can plant seeds that question our ability to be objective and fair, you better put the big boy pants on, because you will be dealing directly with me.

 

[triplejjj]

So if that was the case, why did you not simply withdraw the deposit after establishing they were not going to bonus you, and quit the site?

You state you made two deposits using a bonus code which wasn't actioned. Why was the issue not sorted on chat or by CS before the second attempt?

You clearly still wanted to gamble there after the bonuses were not applied as you didn't close the account and run. they have not 'scammed' you at all, at worst a small lack of communication if we take your version as gospel. Did they refuse to refund your deposits before you were 'scammed' into making them? I take it you lost them which I guess is the root cause of this antagonism.

So what are you actually trying to achieve here, apart from rubbing people up the wrong way? What do you think is an acceptable outcome for you and why? When you look into this in any depth, it's a pretty trivial issue.

You make a good point. After depositing the first time i could not withdraw because i had a withdrawal processing which takes more than 24 hours on that site. So had to wait and spent the deposit but that is not the problem. I was messaging the for 3 days before they responded on facebook because they were not active on the chat bot and email address. i have froze my account with playojo i cannot deposit or play there or ever will again. Also i am not an idiot i wouldnt ask a casino to refund. They done shady activity which i deem a scam. im just pointing it out lad. The problem is they restricted my account without telling me and still allowed me to make deposits for promotions.

 

[triplejjj]

You are a frog's breath away of getting the boot here.

Max is not just a "moderator" he is a chief administrator and our complaints manager. Telling him that his participation here is "brain rot" is enough to get the boot. Accusations that he is biased towards any casino is defamation in my opinion. You better have some evidence to back that up. Max has been officially dealing with player arbitration here since 2007. He has NEVER shown bias or favouritism towards any casino property. That is a fact. I have ensured that there is a disconnect between our advertising and PAB management so as not to taint any findings we have for or against a casino. This has been in place since the beginning. So if you think you can plant seeds that question our ability to be objective and fair, you better put the big boy pants on, because you will be dealing directly with me.

I mean I have elaborated on what i said and why i said it. Please retort me on why i am wrong. "

. He has NEVER shown bias or favouritism towards any casino property"

I will tell you what bias means since i believe you have made your own definiton again.

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. Which is how he treated me in defence of the casino. He accused me of lying and he posted false stuff to discredit me accident or not he done that.

Also since you are an affiliate and straight away accusing me of doing wrong, posting false information about discrediting me and swapping round the timeline to justify the casinos doing? If this is not bias then i am mindblown.

I apologise for calling it brainrot. it was not a mistake though. If i falsely started accusing people with fake evidence i would be booted from the site immediately. but you guys dont need to follow the rules i get it.

Boot me, I couldn't care less, only reason I'm replying is because i keep getting messages in my inbox about the thread.


I wanted to make it known that playojo scammed me by definition then mods jumped to their defence. all it is.i do not want it resolved. this is not a hate thread. its simply me sharing my experience and that they scammed me .


Please can you elaborate on how you have done this since i do not believe it to be true .

I have ensured that there is a disconnect between our advertising and PAB management so as not to taint any findings we have for or against a casino"

Since how your moderator went about the issue makes me feel otherwise. Also wouldnt it be illegal for you to be an affiliate posting propped up fake reviews?

 

[triplejjj]

You are a frog's breath away of getting the boot here.

Max is not just a "moderator" he is a chief administrator and our complaints manager. Telling him that his participation here is "brain rot" is enough to get the boot. Accusations that he is biased towards any casino is defamation in my opinion. You better have some evidence to back that up. Max has been officially dealing with player arbitration here since 2007. He has NEVER shown bias or favouritism towards any casino property. That is a fact. I have ensured that there is a disconnect between our advertising and PAB management so as not to taint any findings we have for or against a casino. This has been in place since the beginning. So if you think you can plant seeds that question our ability to be objective and fair, you better put the big boy pants on, because you will be dealing directly with me.

Also thank you for the warning you may disrespect me but do not have thick enough skin to handle the truth. bunch of lil wussys

 

[dunover]

Also thank you for the warning you may disrespect me but do not have thick enough skin to handle the truth. bunch of lil wussys

Your wish has been granted. I think we've had a taster here of what the casino had to put up with. QED

 

[Casinomeister]

I mean I have elaborated on what i said and why i said it. Please retort me on why i am wrong. "


I will tell you what bias means since i believe you have made your own definiton again.

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. Which is how he treated me in defence of the casino. He accused me of lying and he posted false stuff to discredit me accident or not he done that.

Also since you are an affiliate and straight away accusing me of doing wrong, posting false information about discrediting me and swapping round the timeline to justify the casinos doing? If this is not bias then i am mindblown.
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Since how your moderator went about the issue makes me feel otherwise. Also wouldnt it be illegal for you to be an affiliate posting propped up fake reviews?

Sorry to disappoint, but you are barking up the wrong tree. We don't fall under the definition of "affiliate" but listed as media. For someone so hyped up on definitions, I would think you'd know the difference.

I still don't get what your issue is since you never gave anyone the respect to make yourself clear. And it was NOT the moderators who started questioning your intent here but our membership. Please reread some of the comments from your fellow players.

You were attempting to exploit this forum. There are many channels to vent - and the forum is one place to do so. I would have been fine with you having a go at Playojo because they closed your account, I really do not care. They have the right to do business with whom they please and it is right there in their terms and conditions (which you agreed to when signing up). So what is the deal??

And it ends with you falling on your sword - what a colossal waste of time.

 

[Casinomeister]

Admin note - changed the thread prefix from Bogus to Venting. Sure - it may seem bogus to a lot of folks, but I think Venting is more like it, right?

 

[dunover]

Admin note - changed the thread prefix from Bogus to Venting. Sure - it may seem bogus to a lot of folks, but I think Venting is more like it, right?

Venting at a Playojo bonus issue, I don't think the word 'scam' has any bearing or relevance to the thread. I'd save that for 1668/JAZ

 

[Casinomeister]

Venting at a Playojo bonus issue, I don't think the word 'scam' has any bearing or relevance to the thread. I'd save that for 1668/JAZ

True - but changing the title changes the URL and for SEO purposes, that's not a good thing (too many 301 redirects). But the title in the Search Engines is "Playojo says "no more freebies" and I don't like that" - which is pretty much the gist of the thread.

 

[Casinomeister]

And just to ensure there is balance within our reviews, any thread that is tagged "playojo review" is listed at the end of the review.

The tag is here:





And the thread appears near the end of the review:





And who can tag threads? Mods, Indentured Servants, Experiencedr Members and above, CAG members and Meister Minions. In total about 450 members to include myself can actually add links to the bottom of the review page.

So you think xyz casino is a scam - or may it's great - just do a few searches, find a thread and tag it.

This gives YOU the member a feature to you can use to enhance our reviews.

Meister Minion members can comment on the casino is our MM section and these will appear in the reviews as well. These are edited for punctuation, grammar, and spelling. You don't want to come across as an idiot when trying to give an opinion about whatever.

And this is where the OP failed. He could have gotten himself involved and gone the route of a Meister Minion, but instead he'll probably have a go at us on Trustpilot.


Which goes to prove that some people are all hat and no cattle. He wants to complain and cause a PR problem for Playojo. But not once did he mention how to solve such a thing - as if something needed solving.