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just the messenger on this one. I'll look at the issue of putting the terms in the T&Cs regarding progressives. I'll do this for Rockbet soon but I'll mention it to Rival to notify all operators about it.

John
 
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just the messenger on this one. I'll look at the issue of putting the terms in the T&Cs regarding progressives. I'll do this for Rockbet soon but I'll mention it to Rival to notify all operators about it.

John
The message John did not post below. How many people know if this is true??? They leave it open ended so no way I will comment yet stay tuned offline.

"May 16, 2009
One Million Reels BC Progressive Jackpot
NICOSIA, CYPRUS – Rival Gaming, a leading provider of online gaming solutions, would like to take this opportunity to clarify recent confusion regarding the One Million Reels BC Progressives Jackpot reinstatement.

Each Rival licensee owns, and is responsible, for their own brand. This is the case with the vast majority of online casinos whether they license their software from Rival or from another company. Rival does not have a controlling interest in any of its licensed casinos. Bonne Chance NV is a Rival-licensed gaming service provider offering processing and other turnkey services to Rival licensees. Rival Gaming offers 3 Progressive Slot games in its 80+ game portfolio. These progressive games are Rival-wide and allow a small percentage of each real-money wager to be contributed to the corresponding jackpot. When the jackpot is hit, the customer receives the entire amount in their account. The customer can then withdraw or continue playing. Neither Rival nor the operator holding the winning customer have a financial interest in the progressive jackpot in and of itself. Progressive slot games are meant to be used as a marketing tool to acquire and retain customers.

On May 10, 2009 a "no-deposit required" promotion, which allowed play on Rival's One Million BC Progressive slot game, was granted to customers of a Rival-Powered casino property. A customer from this casino hit the jackpot. The terms of the promotion allowed for only a small fraction of the total win amount to be withdrawn by the winning player. The intent of Rival's Progressive Jackpot system is for all real-money progressive-game-playing customers, across all Rival-Powered properties, to have a chance at winning the jackpot. In order to maintain the integrity of Rival's Progressive Slot games, the amount of the jackpot won with the limited cashout rules in effect was put back into the jackpot. The terms of the promotion were followed and the intent of the Progressive Jackpot system was maintained. Protocols have been updated to prevent a similar occurrence in the future.

Rival and its partners would like to sincerely thank their customers, clients, and affiliates for their continued loyalty and support. As of this writing the One Million BC Progressive Jackpot currently stands above $230,000 and is ready to be won!"
 
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just the messenger on this one. I'll look at the issue of putting the terms in the T&Cs regarding progressives. I'll do this for Rockbet soon but I'll mention it to Rival to notify all operators about it.

John

I read it several times and only 2 comments stand out to me, This one, "Each Rival licensee owns, and is responsible, for their own brand. This is the case with the vast majority of online casinos whether they license their software from Rival or from another company. Rival does not have a controlling interest in any of its licensed casinos. Bonne Chance NV is a Rival-licensed gaming service provider offering processing and other turnkey services to Rival licensees."
and this one, "In order to maintain the integrity of Rival's Progressive Slot games, the amount of the jackpot won with the limited cashout rules in effect was put back into the jackpot. The terms of the promotion were followed and the intent of the Progressive Jackpot system was maintained. Protocols have been updated to prevent a similar occurrence in the future."

I don't have a good understanding about white labels so I have a question for those that do, is that what they are implying in the first statement?

Regarding the 2nd quote, it does sound like that they are admitting some kind of wrongdoing by the casino did happen, but they aren't admitting exactly what. "Protocols have been updated to prevent a similar occurrence in the future."

I'm really disappointed but not a bit surprised that the statement didn't elaborate more on both issues, aren't you?
 
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The first statement basically says that the casino in question did the action not Rival. Because Rival re-instated the jackpot I think it goes without saying that they didn't approve of the behaviour of that casino.

The second statement to me does say that to maintain the integrity of the software and of the progressives that the jackpot was re-instated. Rival isn't guilty here, the casino in question is and Rival in my opinion took the right course of action, the jackpot was returned.

The comment about protocols more or less says that you shouldn't expect to see this behaviour happen again.

Didn't this happen at an RTG casino not too long ago ...

Anyways I am done on the subject but was just trying to help.

John
 
The first statement basically says that the casino in question did the action not Rival. Because Rival re-instated the jackpot I think it goes without saying that they didn't approve of the behaviour of that casino.

The second statement to me does say that to maintain the integrity of the software and of the progressives that the jackpot was re-instated. Rival isn't guilty here, the casino in question is and Rival in my opinion took the right course of action, the jackpot was returned.

The comment about protocols more or less says that you shouldn't expect to see this behaviour happen again.

Didn't this happen at an RTG casino not too long ago ...

Anyways I am done on the subject but was just trying to help.

John

I appreciate you taking the time to clarify part of the statement and it goes without saying that I like and respect you, so I'm not going to give you a hard time. :)

I wish that they had took it so far as to pull the license of Irish Luck, but of course no one here is privy to that contract, so maybe they couldn't. That would have sent a much stronger statement out to players and affiliates alike and would have made more of an appearance of trying to get back into everyone's good graces.
 
If Rival do not have any controlling interest in any of their Casinos how were they able to reinstate the Jackpot?
What were the original protocols and how have they been updated?

Are Rival stating categorically that they were unaware this progressive bonus promotion was taking place?

Are Rival stating that no other Casino was aware that Irish Luck were going to carry out this promotion?

Just so we know what a can worms this has opened here is a hypothetical situation;

What would of happened if this had not come to the forums attention and the player had played back the jackpot funds to Irish Luck to earn comps, since the money would have been legitimately theirs and Rival have no controlling interest.

Neither Rival nor the operator holding the winning customer have a financial interest in the progressive jackpot in and of itself. Progressive slot games are meant to be used as a marketing tool to acquire and retain customers.

This is strictly true and very cleverly stated to give the impression that Irish Luck had nothing to gain financially from a customer winning the progressive at their Casino.
Of course the fact is Irish Luck had plenty to gain from having the winner from their Casino including the small matter of $225,000 they hoped to misappropriate.
They even had the publicity lined up remember another way they would have benefited from the winner being from their Casino.

They end the statement with this little gem;

As of this writing the One Million BC Progressive Jackpot currently stands above $230,000 and is ready to be won!
:barf:

No doubt all these Rival powered Casino owners will be queuing up here to state who they are and how they are merely licensed by Rival and ownership is completely independent of them in order to distance themselves from Irish Luck.

Bonne chance
 
The message John did not post below. How many people know if this is true??? They leave it open ended so no way I will comment yet stay tuned offline.

"May 16, 2009
One Million Reels BC Progressive Jackpot
NICOSIA, CYPRUS – Rival Gaming, a leading provider of online gaming solutions, would like to take this opportunity to clarify recent confusion regarding the One Million Reels BC Progressives Jackpot reinstatement.

Each Rival licensee owns, and is responsible, for their own brand. This is the case with the vast majority of online casinos whether they license their software from Rival or from another company. Rival does not have a controlling interest in any of its licensed casinos. Bonne Chance NV is a Rival-licensed gaming service provider offering processing and other turnkey services to Rival licensees. Rival Gaming offers 3 Progressive Slot games in its 80+ game portfolio. These progressive games are Rival-wide and allow a small percentage of each real-money wager to be contributed to the corresponding jackpot. When the jackpot is hit, the customer receives the entire amount in their account. The customer can then withdraw or continue playing. Neither Rival nor the operator holding the winning customer have a financial interest in the progressive jackpot in and of itself. Progressive slot games are meant to be used as a marketing tool to acquire and retain customers.

On May 10, 2009 a "no-deposit required" promotion, which allowed play on Rival's One Million BC Progressive slot game, was granted to customers of a Rival-Powered casino property. A customer from this casino hit the jackpot. The terms of the promotion allowed for only a small fraction of the total win amount to be withdrawn by the winning player. The intent of Rival's Progressive Jackpot system is for all real-money progressive-game-playing customers, across all Rival-Powered properties, to have a chance at winning the jackpot. In order to maintain the integrity of Rival's Progressive Slot games, the amount of the jackpot won with the limited cashout rules in effect was put back into the jackpot. The terms of the promotion were followed and the intent of the Progressive Jackpot system was maintained. Protocols have been updated to prevent a similar occurrence in the future.

Rival and its partners would like to sincerely thank their customers, clients, and affiliates for their continued loyalty and support. As of this writing the One Million BC Progressive Jackpot currently stands above $230,000 and is ready to be won!"


That's a pretty unequivocal denial by Rival of the T2 Marketing court case claims. Unfortunately T2's legal representative has not yet responded to a request for his comment on that denial.
 
That's a pretty unequivocal denial by Rival of the T2 Marketing court case claims.
There is one way to find out if a man is honest - ask him. If he says 'yes', you know he is crooked.
- Groucho Marx
Unfortunately T2's legal representative has not yet responded to a request for his comment on that denial
Desperate times call for desperate measures. Is it possible, a sudden settlement was necessary? Jus a sayin
Money talks and sings and dances. Carry on but stay tuned.
 
STOP IT!!.....Don't ever lose your sense of humor. Go to finish reading y-day's email just now and Mr.Crook, too funny:D

PS--- I don't think I will open Mr.Crook's email, well you know:D
 
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On 28 May 2009, Jeff G. was playing at Vegas Sky Casino when he won the 1 Million Reels BC progressive jackpot of $248,138.65.

Jeff had newly joined and was playing the 1 Million Reels BC progressive slot with a no deposit bonus he had received from the casino, when lady luck smiled on him.

Exactly how Jeff plans on spending his winnings is yet to be determined, but we have it on good authority that he is on cloud nine right now.
 
Jeff had newly joined and was playing the 1 Million Reels BC progressive slot with a no deposit bonus he had received from the casino, when lady luck smiled on him.
:eek:

Exactly how Jeff plans on spending his winnings is yet to be determined, but we have it on good authority that he is on cloud nine right now.

how much he is gonna get?
 
Hey Rob if that was on the $38.00 free no deposit I think the only thing he will get is that $190.00
Oh &^$%#$#
Not another one.

That's the first thing I thought...

I was told the player is getting it all! As it should be with progressives.

Yay Vegas Sky!

Did you hear this directly from Vegas Sky? I emailed them, but received no response, yet.

If you ask me, nobody should be allowed to play a progressive game with a ND bonus. It only causes trouble in the end, and leaves a bad taste in players' mouths that actually put their own money into that particular game.
 
Hey Rob if that was on the $38.00 free no deposit I think the only thing he will get is that $190.00
Oh &^$%#$#
Not another one.

I was told the player is getting it all! As it should be with progressives.

Yay Vegas Sky!

Yea T, I hadn't heard for sure but thanks Daera for clarifying and you are right that that is exactly how it should be..:thumbsup:
 
That's the first thing I thought...



Did you hear this directly from Vegas Sky? I emailed them, but received no response, yet.

If you ask me, nobody should be allowed to play a progressive game with a ND bonus. It only causes trouble in the end, and leaves a bad taste in players' mouths that actually put their own money into that particular game.

Directly from the affiliate manager.

He was trying to find out if they had an account here at Casinomeisters so he could come post.

I see the problem in a free chip promotion that's targetting a specific progressive, as just happened with Irish Luck. We all seen various problems in that situation.

But I don't see a problem if it just happens that a new player on a free chip, in trying out the casino (which is what the free chip is for really) happens to try a few spins on a progressives and just got that unbelievably lucky. It's not like anything underhanded or evil was put out. And the contributions to the jackpot are the same.

I think what happened with Irish was promotion abuse (by the operator). What happened here was that a new player just got incredibly lucky! It's not the same.
 
I feel a bit lost here. Many Rivals actually disable progressives when a bonus is being played. I checked the Ts and Cs of the $38 nd bonus and it states specifically that using the bonus to play progressives do not count towards WRs so why the heck did this player do so when the max cashout is $190 unless he had already fulfilled WRs.

I didnt check on the progressives when I played the free chip several months ago. If they really were disabled then why are they not now unless .......
 
I feel a bit lost here. Many Rivals actually disable progressives when a bonus is being played. I checked the Ts and Cs of the $38 nd bonus and it states specifically that using the bonus to play progressives do not count towards WRs so why the heck did this player do so when the max cashout is $190 unless he had already fulfilled WRs.

I didnt check on the progressives when I played the free chip several months ago. If they really were disabled then why are they not now unless .......

:what: What makes you think he was playing with that particular bonus and not another one they had given him..:)
 
Yes, that is possible Rob but seeing that he had newly joined I always thought that it was likely to be the $38. Maybe they dont like me because I havent had another ND bonus though I deposited more than 20 times there.

Most, I dare not say all, bonuses at Rival excludes play at the progressives and some actually disable the game when a bonus is being used. Given the fiasco created by Irish Luck and a couple of emails from various sources promoting the $38 bonus at Vegas Sky, I am just a bit cynical, that's all.
 
Yes, that is possible Rob but seeing that he had newly joined I always thought that it was likely to be the $38. Maybe they dont like me because I havent had another ND bonus though I deposited more than 20 times there.

Most, I dare not say all, bonuses at Rival excludes play at the progressives and some actually disable the game when a bonus is being used. Given the fiasco created by Irish Luck and a couple of emails from various sources promoting the $38 bonus at Vegas Sky, I am just a bit cynical, that's all.

And I can't blame you for that either Chu, as I'm sure a lot of peeps still are after the Irish Luck fiasco...hell, who wouldn't be. It may have been the $38 Free Chip but I don't know for sure yet whether it was or not. Still trying to find that one out. But if it was the $38 Free Chip that Jeff used there and "Vegas Sky" are in fact going to pay him the entire jackpot amount, well then all I can say is a Big Kudos to Vegas Sky for doing that..:thumbsup:
 
well then all I can say is a Big Kudos to Vegas Sky for doing that..:thumbsup:

If in fact Rival isn't behind this whole stunt....it's just too much for me to be 100% certain that this whole thing is just a huge coincidence...the time frame, the circumstances, etc....

And what's to say this "Jeff" even exists?

Cynical? Nah...........admit it, if you've read this whole thread, then you're thinking the same thing...
 
I have been guilty of taking a few spins on progressive slots when I was playing a bonus with a max cashout out restriction.

It is almost impossible to play any freechip at RTG without doing so.

I do hope Jeff was playing a SUB with no cashout restrictions and gets his win in full.

Might put this whole jackpot to bed...casinos will not be as keen to "harvest" it when it is back to $5K.
 
Yes, that is possible Rob but seeing that he had newly joined I always thought that it was likely to be the $38. Maybe they dont like me because I havent had another ND bonus though I deposited more than 20 times there.

Most, I dare not say all, bonuses at Rival excludes play at the progressives and some actually disable the game when a bonus is being used. Given the fiasco created by Irish Luck and a couple of emails from various sources promoting the $38 bonus at Vegas Sky, I am just a bit cynical, that's all.

IMO, I think once the IL promo was out and live, and they had a winner, he should have been paid the whole jackpot and their terms should have read that way. I don't believe progressive jackpots should be tampered with. I can't see casinos putting money back into progressive jackpots manually, everytime one is won on a free chip... regardless of the casino or software. Seeing progressive balances tampered with all the time would concern me a lot.

I don't believe in a max cashout amount on a progressive win, free chip or not.

I feel the only right thing to do, is to pay out a progressive win completely.

So kudos to Vegas Sky!
 
It's difficult to understand the maze of bonuses given by rivals. Especially since progressive payouts are largely new territory here.

There are different freebies. Non depositer freebies always exclude progressives that I have seen. As depositers, we often get freebies that also exclude progressives. However, we sometimes get freebies for progressives only. I got one for $5. Try winning on that. LOL

If this was won by a depositer who received a progressive freebie I'm good with that. I feel depositing players should be the ones to have a crack at the progressives, whether the casino chips in the progressive funds or not. Not freebie players who haven't contributed. That's JMO and I know everyone doesn't agree.

Since we don't know the terms of this freebie it's all speculation. Because there isn't much of a track record on progs with Rival, the terms for this win from Vegas Sky would be helpful. With the timing, on the heels of the last progressive mess, I think it is imperitive to find out.

add: If jeff won with a freebie that excluded progressives, the next time I get a freebie where progressives are excluded, can I play them anyway and collect?
 
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Vegas Sky finally replied and to sum it all up, they're claiming that "Jeff" had just joined and was playing on a free chip...without a maximum cashout? :what:

Since when have you seen any Rival with a no max cashout free chip? :rolleyes:

Well, it was Vegas Sky so the sky's the limit.:D:D

Seriously, no max cashout on a ND bonus is hard to believe especially since this particular casino caps their 100% match bonus with a max 4x bonus cashout. I have played many times on this one before so why a harsh max cashout on deposit bonuses and so loose with the free chip? The mind boggles.:confused:
 
Following up on your email.

It was not the $38 welcome bonus on which the progressive jackpot was won.

This player was playing the $10 RockOn No Deposit Bonus.

Thank you for contacting us. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact us again.

Have a nice day.

Sincerely,

Tyrone
Vegas Sky Customer Service

I got the same promotion, and I just double checked and I can confirm that there was not a maximum cashout restriction...scary...the only issue that I see is that Vegas Sky allowed play on a progressive with a ND bonus, especially after the recent scandal. The email says it's to try out the new iSlot, but there were not other slot restrictions in the cashier section.

Dear Brian

This promotion is being resent to ensure everyone can receive their bonus. The bonus described below will expire in 7 days time. Thanks for your support of Vegas Sky Casino.

Get 10 FREE!!

It's new game time, so in celebration of Rivals new fantastic iSlot Game, "Rock On" we are giving you 10 Free to test this great new game out, on us.

Then, if you like the game and we know you will, we follow this up with a 200% match deposit bonus

We hope you Enjoy!

Warmest Regards,

Casino Manager
 
I got this too and happened to save the terms because I was winning. No progressive requirements.

Get $10 FREE (no deposit necessary)
Get $10 free. If you meet the playthrough and minimum cashout requirements, you may be required to make a small deposit in order to verify your account information. No additional wagering will apply. The small deposit does not apply to any minimum cashout requirements.


Maximum 1 bonus per household/computer/person. Minimum deposit required to withdraw (for fraud prevention)
40x bonus playthrough ($400)
Playthrough is the amount that must be wagered (put at risk) before you may cashout.


Unless otherwise stated, 1 credit wagered in a game counts as 1 credit toward playthrough requirements. Play at the following games, and any variants, does not count towards playthrough requirements and winnings may be considered null and void: Roulette, Blackjack, Sicbo, RedDog, Baccarat, PaiGow, War, ThreeCard, LetItRide, Videopoker, Craps, DoubleUp, CaribStud.
The following games and any variants may have different table limits while this promotion is active: Roulette, Blackjack, Sicbo, RedDog, Baccarat, PaiGow, War, ThreeCard, LetItRide, Videopoker, Craps, DoubleUp, CaribStud
Your table limits may change while this promotion is active.


Valid from 2009-05-27 00:00:00 to 2009-06-03 23:59:59. Promotion may be expired by casino at any time.
The casino's general terms and conditions apply.
 
So how many spins does $10 buy you?
and this Guy hit it just like that and there was no max cashout on NDB even though there is with a deposit bonus.

Amazing really that they are so happy for a new customer to walk away with 250K without making a deposit.
I wonder if they even bothered asking for ID?

Stinks.
 
So how many spins does $10 buy you?
and this Guy hit it just like that and there was no max cashout on NDB even though there is with a deposit bonus.

Amazing really that they are so happy for a new customer to walk away with 250K without making a deposit.
I wonder if they even bothered asking for ID?

Stinks.

That about sums up my feelings Rusty. Convenience and coincidence...hmmm.

At max bet? Not even 3, unless you're lucky to hit any sort of win before the $3.75 bets eat it up...

Wow, this "Jeff" sure is one lucky dude. :rolleyes:
 
So how many spins does $10 buy you?
At max bet? Not even 3, unless you're lucky to hit any sort of win before the $3.75 bets eat it up...
Until we get the full facts of this case (if ever...) everything is speculation.

So I would like to speculate that he played other games first and got the $10 up to considerably more than that before he started playing the progressive...
Who knows? I once got a $20 free-chip up to $400-ish.

KK
 
I dont see the problem

10$ no deposit chips, no maximum cashout.

Havnt it occurred to you , that the particular player, started at some other slots an won a few 100$, and THEN decided to try out the progressives?`

it is actually possible to start low and win big. ( Although it almost never happens.)

I have had a start at a casino( not rival) starting with 20$ and peaking at 5300$ including a jackpot hit. start low and increased the betsize as I won.

Today i managed to win from a new player no deposit chip of 10$ at Rival, peaking at 230$ before crashing out before wagers requirements were met.
 
I dont see the problem

10$ no deposit chips, no maximum cashout.

Havnt it occurred to you , that the particular player, started at some other slots an won a few 100$, and THEN decided to try out the progressives?`

it is actually possible to start low and win big. ( Although it almost never happens.)

I have had a start at a casino( not rival) starting with 20$ and peaking at 5300$ including a jackpot hit. start low and increased the betsize as I won.

Today i managed to win from a new player no deposit chip of 10$ at Rival, peaking at 230$ before crashing out before wagers requirements were met.


As KK points out it is just speculation but how many times have you seen a Rival Casino offer a ND bonus without any restrictions whatsoever - and he hits the same RJ with it that Irish luck apparently tried their little stunt with.

If it is common then I will definitely be less suspicious and scathing.


As far as I know the Jackpot has been hit Three times and every time was with an unusual bonus.

If you don't see the problem or KK would like to trust Rival despite everything that has been revealed in this thread and the coincidence of this win then thats fine.
I hope you are both right.

By the way I'm a 12 Foot tall Gorilla that smokes Bananas.
 
As KK points out it is just speculation but how many times have you seen a Rival Casino offer a ND bonus without any restrictions whatsoever - and he hits the same RJ with it that Irish luck apparently tried their little stunt with.

If it is common then I will definitely be less suspicious and scathing.


As far as I know the Jackpot has been hit Three times and every time was with an unusual bonus.

If you don't see the problem or KK would like to trust Rival despite everything that has been revealed in this thread and the coincidence of this win then thats fine.
I hope you are both right.

By the way I'm a 12 Foot tall Gorilla that smokes Bananas.

Actually, a few of the rivals do after you have made your first deposit.
I made a deposit at slotocash and was given 10$ free no deposit without max cashout.

Then I did the same at one of the other Rivals and same thing here. I received a 10$ no deposit after my first deposit.

I bet they have given out many 10$ free chips.

Personally I have lost at all free chip plays, except for Sky Vegas, where I reached 1000$. But winnings were capped to 190$. And they did pay fair and square although i didnt deposit.
 

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