One Million Reels BC $204,167.54 + was hit today

[Pinababy69]

Probably the same way that the webmasters continue to promote the "Playtech" branded casinos even after the way that Playtech has handled the "Sylvia 4 million dollar win". Playtech knowingly sent the funds to a rogue casino for them to handle the payout. This is no different that what the "Rival" casino "Irish Luck" has basically done with this promotion....think about it...

I totally agree Rob, 100%. No need to think about it all.

So why do webmasters promote these places, and why do players continue to play there? Ahhh, same old story....it's only important if they're the ones getting screwed. As long as they get paid, to hell with the ones who don't. Not referring to you specifically Rob, just for the record, I'm generalizing (again).

So really, in the last five years....how far have we come in regards to fairness to the player? It almost seems to me like we've gone backwards in some ways. It's all sad, and it's even sadder that very few people give a shit.

 

[Nifty29]

It is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING if Irish Luck have kept the balance of that progressive win.

Im not usually a conspiracy theorist, but it seems odd that the very day that Irish Luck hands out free spin on that slot it goes off. Now, given that the progressive is part of a proprietary software suite, who knows - maybe the casino can actually tell when the jackpot will go off..???

Even if the above isnt true, the casino should be rogued immediately for 2 reasons:

1. A max cashout was placed on a progressive slot only bonus - its obvious that the casino was hoping someone using this bonus would hit the jackpot as they get to keep almost all of it. This is rogue behaviour 101.

2. The casino will not pay out their progressive in a lump sum OR even in reasonable payments to ensure the player is fully paid as quickly as possible.

Also, what about the payout % of that slot?? If the casino keeps all that money, then it wasnt ACTUALLY returned to the player so it shouldnt count as being paid back at all, hence the % should reflect that.

I think its about time that players started to boycott casinos that will not pay out reasonable amounts or pay progessives in their lump sums (or close to). I also dont think it unreasonable for CM to at least consider altering his definition of rogue in regards to paying jackpots.

If I was someone who had been playing that slot in the past, I would be soooooo pissed right now.

 

[Pinababy69]

It is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING if Irish Luck have kept the balance of that progressive win.

Im not usually a conspiracy theorist, but it seems odd that the very day that Irish Luck hands out free spin on that slot it goes off. Now, given that the progressive is part of a proprietary software suite, who knows - maybe the casino can actually tell when the jackpot will go off..???

Even if the above isnt true, the casino should be rogued immediately for 2 reasons:

1. A max cashout was placed on a progressive slot only bonus - its obvious that the casino was hoping someone using this bonus would hit the jackpot as they get to keep almost all of it. This is rogue behaviour 101.

2. The casino will not pay out their progressive in a lump sum OR even in reasonable payments to ensure the player is fully paid as quickly as possible.

Also, what about the payout % of that slot?? If the casino keeps all that money, then it wasnt ACTUALLY returned to the player so it shouldnt count as being paid back at all, hence the % should reflect that.

I think its about time that players started to boycott casinos that will not pay out reasonable amounts or pay progessives in their lump sums (or close to). I also dont think it unreasonable for CM to at least consider altering his definition of rogue in regards to paying jackpots.

If I was someone who had been playing that slot in the past, I would be soooooo pissed right now.

Yet no one but me seems to think that Rival may be having cash flow problems? Or is it just that wonderful trait of GREED?

I found a pic of the actual win...the guy's username on the forum is mikewalker. He seems quite happy that he will walk away with $375....and only one person in the thread has actually "caught on" to the fact that Irish Luck/Rival now get to keep this money, and it won't be put back into the pool. And they also commented on how very convenient it was for Irish Luck to run this particular promotion on the very day the JP was won. What a stroke of luck for them. I'm sorry, but this stinks to high heaven. I'm not a conspiracy theorist either, and I'm not quite ready to make the leap to rigged software....but man, this is just too bizarre a coincidence for my liking.

I wonder if Rival will have the BALLS to publicize the win and use this guy as a poster child? Much the same as Playtech did with Sylvia? I feel nauseous.

EDITED: Duh.....I somehow missed that Lookaway already posted the screenshot, lol. Sorry about that Lookaway, seems I missed your entire post.

 

[Pinababy69]

In searching posts on progressive wins, I came across this post by Bryan...which really stresses what Nifty already said.....about how unethical this whole thing is. Both with Rival and with Playtech. His post was in response to a previous situation being brought up about Casino Rewards and their lame attempt to pay a Major Millions winner 4K a week. That got corrected fairly quickly. Say what you want about MG.....but at least this kind of thievery doesn't go on.

This was it:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/major-millions-progressive-screenshot-win.13184/

I was mistaken, it was 4k a week not 2k. The problem with this is that the progressive funds are pooled and do not come from the casino itself. If the funds sit in a players account, the player will (in most cases) play these funds back into the casino - and these funds were never there to begin with. Do you follow me? It's 100% unethical.

I gave a heads up to MGS when this happened and as far as I know, the player was paid in full.

 

[winbig]

update -

Apparently Management is trying to figure out some sort of strategy for damage control...

Here is a copy of your recent chat with casino support.

General Info
Chat start time May 11, 2009 11:33:19 AM EST
Chat end time May 11, 2009 11:42:17 AM EST
Duration (actual chatting time) 00:08:58
Operator George

Chat Transcript
info: All operators are currently assisting others. Thanks for your patience. You are currently placed in queue number 1. The average wait is 36seconds. An operator will be with you shortly.
info: You are now chatting with 'George'
Brian: Hi George
George: Welcome to casino Live Chat. How may I help you?
George: One moment please.
Brian: ok
George: Welcome to casino Live Chat. How may I help you?
Brian: I had a question regarding the progressive jackpot win on one million reels, BC
Brian: I understand that a player from Irish Luck won this?
George: that promotion is no longer available the management of Iish luck has cancelled that promotion I'm sorry to inform you .
Brian: wait please
Brian: The issue I have is of the bonus offer you sent out that morning, in which you offered players $37.50 to play that slot...which had a maximum cashout of $375.
Brian: The player was playing on this bonus, and hit the progressive here at Irish Luck for over $215,000
Brian: Is the remaining money going to be returned to the progressive jackpot pool seeing as how they cannot cash out more than $375 of it?
Brian: if not, where is that money going to go to?
George: that promotion is no longer available the management of Iish luck has cancelled that promotion I'm sorry to inform you .
Brian: George
Brian: Please quit sending me a canned response and read my questions please
Brian: thank you
Brian: I know the promotion is not available
Brian: that's not the issue that I'm bringing up
Brian: I just want to know what's going to happen to the remaining $215,000 of the progressive jackpot that the player is not eligible to receive
Brian: because that should rightfully go back into the progressive jackpot pool
Brian: hello?
George: I cannot tell you that
George: that is something the management of irish luck will decide
Brian: can you put someone on that can?
Brian: or can you at least ask for me?
George: the management is currently really busy with this issue
George: they askfor your patience
Brian: Well, hopefully they do the right thing, because if not, I can guarantee you're going to lose a ton of players
Brian: people are irate over this
George: Thank you verymuch for understanding.
George: I do understand what you are saying.
Brian: thanks, have a good one...

 

[RobWin]

Brian: can you put someone on that can?

:notworthy:notworthy Good one Win

 

[winbig]

:notworthy:notworthy Good one Win

Emails are going ignored....fired the first one off yesterday....they're just digging themselves into a deeper hole.

 

[Pinababy69]

Posted by mikewalker on another forum:

Hi guy's, wanted to post an update on my jackpot hit from Irish Luck, I got a call 1st thing today, they are putting something together for me, i was told will be more then the $375, he was gonna put it together, but they are working with me and said they were gonna take care of me. I know it ain't a lot of news, like how much lol, but i pretty much let them talk, but he asured me they were gonna take care of me.... But i wanted to tell you guys something and not leave everyone hanging, from what he said they were gonna do something nice for me, i will let you know as soon as i know what the nice is I can say this so far, they are treating me very nice with the talk, but i am like>>>>>show me some money LOL (smile) he said they had over 27.000 people par take in that bonus, just thought i'd let you guys know that little bit of info as well. I will keep you up to date as this go's, i know how it is, i am a crusher too, i wanna know everything lol as soon as i know more i will post. Thanks everyone for all the knid words you sent my way yesterday, you really made my day with the words, the help and i thank you all very much. Keep spinning and may some of my luck come your way. Mike

I can't wait to see what kind of "deal" they work out with him. I do hope the guy gets some cash out of it...but I seriously doubt they are going to give him the full $200 plus thousand, which I wouldn't expect them to. But regardless of how much they give him, they are NOT entitled to keep the leftovers. Not their money.....are you listening Rival?

 

[chuchu59]

Posted by mikewalker on another forum:



I can't wait to see what kind of "deal" they work out with him. I do hope the guy gets some cash out of it...but I seriously doubt they are going to give him the full $200 plus thousand, which I wouldn't expect them to. But regardless of how much they give him, they are NOT entitled to keep the leftovers. Not their money.....are you listening Rival?

What the casino will say is that they did it with the full consent of the player who has the choice of cashing out $375 and return the full $215K back to the pot or keep it and play it up whilst racking up comp points which could indeed reach $8-10K especially if they give him triple comps for slots play. It can be argued that since the money belongs to the winning player he can blow it off as he likes and in doing so 2 winners emerge Irish Luck (lion's share) and the player (a tidy profit of several K in comps from a no-deposit bonus). Why would they not conclude the deal from their angle although to all of us this is rogue behaviour.

If the player consents to playing the whole JP amount out and Irish Luck offers some sweeteners eg 5x or even 10x comp points he wouldnt refuse the deal. Nobody can confiscate the JP winnings from the player then.

 

[hitobito2005]

So 27,000 people took part in the bonus offer, which is equivalent to 270,000 spins on the slot. I don't know how frequently this jackpot hits but 270k spins would probably give a fair chance of it being won by someone on the $375 max cashout bonus. They knew exactly what they were doing

 

[Rusty]

What the casino will say is that they did it with the full consent of the player who has the choice of cashing out $375 and return the full $215K back to the pot or keep it and play it up whilst racking up comp points which could indeed reach $8-10K especially if they give him triple comps for slots play. It can be argued that since the money belongs to the winning player he can blow it off as he likes and in doing so 2 winners emerge Irish Luck (lion's share) and the player (a tidy profit of several K in comps from a no-deposit bonus). Why would they not conclude the deal from their angle although to all of us this is rogue behaviour.

If the player consents to playing the whole JP amount out and Irish Luck offers some sweeteners eg 5x or even 10x comp points he wouldnt refuse the deal. Nobody can confiscate the JP winnings from the player then.

I understand what you are saying Chuchu and playing Devils advocate but if the money belonged tot he player he could do with it whatever he wished, like cash out for example.
The max win on the bonus is clear.
That is what the player should receive and the rest returned to the Jackpot.

Obviously they knew exactly what they were doing and have been caught Red handed.
Giving a sweetner to the player will just make them look even worse in my view.

As Pinababy stated the industry seems to be going backward in terms of fair play rather than forward, it is just One scandal after another.

 

[felicie]

And this 'mikewalker', he seems to be very cool about the whole thing. Myself? I'd be in a rubber room beating myself with a rubber club for playing that free chip from hell.

 

[Rusty]

So 27,000 people took part in the bonus offer, which is equivalent to 270,000 spins on the slot. I don't know how frequently this jackpot hits but 270k spins would probably give a fair chance of it being won by someone on the $375 max cashout bonus. They knew exactly what they were doing

Apparently the Jackpot was running for 4 Months before it was hit.
I dare say there were over a Billion spins in this time.

Without knowing the true odds of triggering the Jackpot though we can not really know how likely or unlikely it was that the Jackpot was won on the promotion.
I would bet a pound to a pinch of pig shit though that the weighting for the Jackpot symbol was not the same as it was at launch.

 

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

So 27,000 people took part in the bonus offer, which is equivalent to 270,000 spins on the slot. I don't know how frequently this jackpot hits but 270k spins would probably give a fair chance of it being won by someone on the $375 max cashout bonus. They knew exactly what they were doing

Since it was hit second time shortly after, I'd think it was a volume.

Anyone knows if second hit was at Irish Luck too?

 

[deltoid]

This is interesting, I hadn't thought of the angle of the casino owner deliberately setting up a promotion that could possibly trigger the jackpot win, and cap the cashout so that they would get the lions share of the cash. This definitely sounds extremely unethical and very much unfair to all the other players AND casinos in the network. On the other hand, this casino took a huge risk - they would have had to pay into the jackpot for every dollar wagered with their bonus.. with 27,000 people playing 37.50 let's assume the average player can wager the bonus 10x before busting, and I don't know, 0.5% going to the pot, that's ~50k the casino would have had to pay into the kitty for that one promotion..!

It also wouldn't be fair to the player who won to take the money away from them - they took the offer knowing the terms and conditions, and have as much right to whatever winnings they can squeeze out of their balance as they can.

This is what I call a sticky situation, and it smells from high heaven. I wonder if this happens with RTG's all the time, they have max cashouts on their bonuses too??

 

[Jasminebed]

Well, at the RTG casino, Inetbet, that jackpot win would be removed from your casino account as soon as you had made the wagering requirements, and you would receive $375.00. You would not have an opportunity to play on and increase your comps.

If I was this Mike guy, I would take the opportunity to play that 200K and generate as many comp points as posssible, rather than say fine, give me $375 and return the win to the progressive pool.

This is not the case of a player playing on a progressive with an ordinary promotion, but one specifically designated for a game with a huge jackpot. Irish Luck knew that they would not have to pay the jackpot winner, but would receive the funds from Rival anyway.

Whole thing makes me angry. Really angry. Once again, I feel players have been taken advantage of by backroom manipulation.

But if I was the second winner, playing without any cashout restrictions, I would be raising a big stink.

But unless they are a forum member here or elsewhere, they are probably blissfully unaware of how they have been cheated out a jackpot which should have been much higher.

 

[Rusty]

If you don't think Rival had any knowledge of this promotion then think again, really.
It is actually far more likely that the Jackpot was hit Twice because the weighting was changed than because of 270,000 spins being played, still it can't be proved.

As for Mike wanting to get what He can out of it, who can blame Him?
That doesn't make it right though.
What about all the players who have contributed plenty to the pot on this slot with their own money in an attempt to win the Jackpot?
They have to watch Rival touching themselves up in self congratulation on what a nice little con they have pulled while they offer this Mike a whores fee and he blows off all their money back to Rival.

Excuse me while I throw up.

 

[deltoid]

Hm, I don't think Rival would do this - change the reels, OR want a casino to do this. It makes them look bad. Why sacrifice their future as a gaming company by pulling a stunt like this for what really in the end is pocket change to a big software provider? No, I think this is an operator who gambled on a player winning the JP with a cashout restriction, and grabbing the cash that way. If I were Rival I'd be pissed, and wonder what the operator would have done if the JP hadn't been hit and they had owed a tidy sum to cover the promotion. If a casino pulls a stunt like this, makes you wonder what kinda operation it is. But then again, the s*** is on Rival for not paying out jackpots directly and not blocking max cashout bonuses on their progressives..!

 

[triple777s]

I just read through this entire thread and i am absolutely sick to my stomach. The most obvious crap to me is, EVERY SINGLE FREE CHIP BONUS YOU GET, NO MATTER WHERE ITS FROM, THE RULES ALWAYS STATE, YOU CAN NOT USE THE FREE CHIP ON ANY PROGRESSIVE. But now, one this one chip, they WANTED everyone to play the progressive? There is no reasonable explanation that they can possible give but the TRUTH, they wanted someone to win on this, so they could impliment there max cashout rule. Talk about being TRANSPARENT!!!! THEY ARE THIEFS, THATS TRANSPARENT!

If RIVAL is going along with this crap. They do need to be all rogues, either that player gets every last dime of the jackpot and they eat crow, because this was there screw up and they are being called on it, or...Every single dime of "PLAYERS" money goes back in the pot and IRISH LUCK gets fined and shut down by RIVAL for Corruption.

 

[Jasminebed]

I just read through this entire thread and i am absolutely sick to my stomach. The most obvious crap to me is, EVERY SINGLE FREE CHIP BONUS YOU GET, NO MATTER WHERE ITS FROM, THE RULES ALWAYS STATE, YOU CAN NOT USE THE FREE CHIP ON ANY PROGRESSIVE. But now, one this one chip, they WANTED everyone to play the progressive? There is no reasonable explanation that they can possible give but the TRUTH, they wanted someone to win on this, so they could impliment there max cashout rule. Talk about being TRANSPARENT!!!! THEY ARE THIEFS, THATS TRANSPARENT!

If RIVAL is going along with this crap. They do need to be all rogues, either that player gets every last dime of the jackpot and they eat crow, because this was there screw up and they are being called on it, or...Every single dime of "PLAYERS" money goes back in the pot and IRISH LUCK gets fined and shut down by RIVAL for Corruption.

I'm not sure that this is always the case with all free chips. They usually have a max cashout, but sometimes do not expressly forbid progressive play. 32Red recently had a promotion with one free spin on MegaMoolah at max bet of $6.25 and they had no Max Cashout for this one particular promotion. Player's loyalty bonuses at 3Dice have no max cashout, and you can play on the few progressive games they have.

 

[slotplayer]

I would think they ran it by Rival management before running the promotion.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Hi, here is an update from the other forum. I do hope the extra cash prize is at least around the $14k mark.

And I hate the way the casino manager says I am going to clear your balance even if you haven't cleared the bonus, when he knows Mike has cleared the bonus. Not giving mike any choice what so ever with his balance.

.................................................................................................

I have and update for you guys, here is the e-mail,

Hi Mike



My name is Tristan Lange. I'm the casino manager at Irish Luck.



Congratulations on your win!



Even though you missed out on the big win, wed still like to give you some other prizes.



We are going to issue you your win of $375 without the need for play through if it hasnt been completed.



You can keep all current comp points.



We are going to give you $1000 into your account so that you may either play or withdraw the money.
There will be no wagering requirements and NO LIMITS to your win

I would possibly suggest you play slots as you seem to have the Midas touch



BTW This $1000 will not have a negative effect on your affiliate as we will pay him an extra $1000 to compensate.



Please know how grateful we are to have you play with us and all the above is 100% confirmed to go
ahead as long as Rival sort out the payment.



Extra Prizes



Gary and I have been talking and we have a great idea, we would love to send you and a friend to Atlantic City or over to
The Mohegan Sun In Connecticut with a bit of spending money for a weekend away...



- How does that sound?



Also another idea we had was to enter you into a poker tournament:

I have quite a few colleagues and friends in the poker industry, so well be able to find something very suitable out for you.



- When is a good time of the year for you to travel?

- Is there any particular tournament youd like to enter?





About the win itself:

- If you can tell us your thoughts about the win, and how you felt when
you saw the jackpot come up on the screen, that would be fantastic.



Also, please send your screenshots over, it's not often we get to see the progressives hit the jackpot



Gary tells me that youve said youre happy to help us with some promotional material about the win thanks so much for that!

Its greatly appreciated.



I'll contact you about that within a week. I'll also keep it simple, so it's not a drag for you.



Your account:

Just to confirm, Im going to reset it today (manually complete the promotion) today.

If you see your balance suddenly disappear, dont panic! Well get some money into your account shortly.



Again Mike, welcome to the family. We're glad to have you play with us and wish you all the luck at the casino



All the best!



Regards,

Tristan.

trying to keep ya updated as this go's.. Boris3073 when you read this e-mail you'll see i was listen to you my friend, thank you so much, will keep you guys up todate as this keeps going...

 

[Nifty29]

If it smells like s*it, and it looks like s*it, then it is almost certainly s*it.

What are these guys on about??

The ONLY - and I mean the ONLY -way that this deal would be acceptable to players who have spent their own money on this game is for Rival to REPLACE the balance of the $215k in the jackpot....OR give it to the person who hit it shortly afterward.

I dont see how ANY arrangement that involves the casino or Rival keeping the money is acceptable.

I still think it reeks rather badly that the jackpots went off so close together. No, its not impossible, but coupled with that bird-brained promo its enough to make me vomit.

Lets face it...there can only be one reason why there was a max cashout applied to this bonus. You dont have to be Einstein to work it out.

 

[spearmaster]

I smell a roguing coming up...

If they are allowed to get away with this, it will set a precedent for other operators to do the same thing by offering free spins on progressives, hoping that some player will get lucky and win, and they'll get to keep the money minus whatever they have to pay to reseed the jackpot.

 

[KasinoKing]

I have and update for you guys, here is the e-mail,
Hi Mike
My name is Tristan Lange. I'm the casino manager at Irish Luck.
Congratulations on your win!
Even though you missed out on the big win, wed still like to give you some other prizes.
We are going to issue you your win of $375 without the need for play through if it hasnt been completed.
You can keep all current comp points.
We are going to give you $1000 into your account so that you may either play or withdraw the money.
There will be no wagering requirements and NO LIMITS to your win
I would possibly suggest you play slots as you seem to have the Midas touch
BTW This $1000 will not have a negative effect on your affiliate as we will pay him an extra $1000 to compensate.
Please know how grateful we are to have you play with us and all the above is 100% confirmed to go
ahead as long as Rival sort out the payment.
Extra Prizes
Gary and I have been talking and we have a great idea, we would love to send you and a friend to Atlantic City or over to
The Mohegan Sun In Connecticut with a bit of spending money for a weekend away...
- How does that sound?

Also another idea we had was to enter you into a poker tournament:
I have quite a few colleagues and friends in the poker industry, so well be able to find something very suitable out for you.
- When is a good time of the year for you to travel?
- Is there any particular tournament youd like to enter?
About the win itself:
- If you can tell us your thoughts about the win, and how you felt when
you saw the jackpot come up on the screen, that would be fantastic.
Also, please send your screenshots over, it's not often we get to see the progressives hit the jackpot
Gary tells me that youve said youre happy to help us with some promotional material about the win thanks so much for that!
Its greatly appreciated.
I'll contact you about that within a week. I'll also keep it simple, so it's not a drag for you.

Your account:
Just to confirm, Im going to reset it today (manually complete the promotion) today.
If you see your balance suddenly disappear, dont panic! Well get some money into your account shortly.
Again Mike, welcome to the family. We're glad to have you play with us and wish you all the luck at the casino
All the best!
Regards,
Tristan.

I AM GOING TO THROW UP.... SERIOUSLY!!!

They are trying to 'buy off' the player with $1,375 and a free holiday instead of giving him $215,000....!!!
And ask him to do a press piece for them telling everyone how delighted he is at being ROYALLY SHAFTED...!
Irish Luck, you can not be fucking serious!!!

And they're giving the affiliate $1,000 - what the fuck for??????

Sorry about the language, but I've never been so incensed by anything in online gambling before.
If this is the final settlement, and the balance of the $215,000 is not paid to the player who hit the second JP (or, if that was on a free chip too, put back in the pot) I am blacklisting Irish Luck forever, and I call upon all other affiliates to do the same.

Shame on you Irish Luck
KK