One Million Reels BC $204,167.54 + was hit today

[BingoT]

Well least we know they are here today.(IrishLuckCasino)
Please join in this thread I started that went crazy.
I was happy at first knowing someone hit it.
But after knowing about this crazy crappy fantastic progressive offer you made.And I never got that email but I really don't care anyways.
This thread will go back and forth until we hear the words from anyone form Rival to step in to tell us all.
Put the cash back in to the jackpot where it should go.
End of story.


IrishLuckCasino 07:25PM
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[bb28]

Well least we know they are here today.(IrishLuckCasino)
Please join in this thread I started that went crazy.
I was happy at first knowing someone hit it.
But after knowing about this crazy crappy fantastic progressive offer you made.And I never got that email but I really don't care anyways.
This thread will go back and forth until we hear the words from anyone form Rival to step in to tell us all.
Put the cash back in to the jackpot where it should go.
End of story.


IrishLuckCasino 07:25PM
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Does this mean you are going to stop promoting them?

BTW.....I've been following this thread all morning with a lot of interest and I don't really have anything to add other than give a to Pina and others...Pina said it so well.

I really don't see any way that Rival can clean this mess up, this thread and the Playtech thread has just left me so disgusted and bummed out that I'm done with playing online.

 

[KasinoKing]

Just One more thing that has not been mentioned, just in case there is still anyone out there who does not believe this was all premeditated.

Have you ever seen a Free spin bonus that makes you play max bet before?

Yes I have.
It was either 32Red or Ladbrokes (or both?) who did a similar promo for Mega Moolah once where the condition of receiving the bonus was that you had to spin at max bets.
Of course, there was no crazy max cash-out rule.

KK

 

[BingoT]

I do have this on my mind.
I will soon I think & know.
If this don't get fixed by Friday or if others say they will do it now I will do it sooner than Friday.
Will someone make a poll on this and make the deadline on a time Friday.
Or I just might say &%^% it and do it anyways because for the past few weeks I heard crap about them by a player that is a member here.

 

[RobWin]

Does this mean you are going to stop promoting them?

BTW.....I've been following this thread all morning with a lot of interest and I don't really have anything to add other than give a to Pina and others...Pina said it so well.

I really don't see any way that Rival can clean this mess up, this thread and the Playtech thread has just left me so disgusted and bummed out that I'm done with playing online.

BB, are you no longer an active affiliate? I still see your name in green but I was not quite sure.

 

[kmay87]

Yes I have.
It was either 32Red or Ladbrokes (or both?) who did a similar promo for Mega Moolah once where the condition of receiving the bonus was that you had to spin at max bets.
Of course, there was no crazy max cash-out rule.

KK

32red did this for sure. Part of a three pack monthly bonus, although you only got a single spin at max bet.

But as you said, they gave you a chance to hit the jackpot, and if you hit it, it was yours. That's called fair. Advertising a promo for a progressive, but having no chance of keeping the money, should you be lucky (or unlucky?) enough to hit it, is not.

 

[bb28]

BB, are you no longer an active affiliate? I still see your name in green but I was not quite sure.

I didn't update my websites for months due to personal reasons and then I didn't because.....well I've been questioning the ethics of it and well now I know I have my answer. Don't get me wrong....I'm stating what is right for me and I'm not condemning anyone else, but depending on how this plays out and if it does come out to be as bad as it appears, IMO affiliates should certainly reconsider promoting Rival.

PS......I'll PM CM to get my name took out of the green.

 

[hitobito2005]

A very loose calculation based on 1c going to the Jackpot total for each max coin bet and the start balance being $10,000 gives us,

(204k-10k) $194000/.01c = 19 Million spins.

That is pure supposition on my part but it may well be a conservative estimate because it is based on every spin being played at max bet ($3.75)

This is probably an overestimate of the number of spins. More typical is a 0.5% or even 1% contribition to the jackpot. Somewhere between these figures would be 3c per spin contribution, so about 6 million spins to get the JP up to $200k.

As stated earlier in this thread, the 27,000 users of this promotion would have an initial bankroll of just over $1m. Assuming a realistic return of 90% on this slot before the jackpot, that allows a total wager of $10m. The number of spins played is $10m/$3.75 = 2.67 million spins.

Most online jackpots have a hit frequency less than 2.67 million spins.

The jackpot would also be unusually large at $200k - having taken 6 million+ spins to get there, which explains why the casino chose now as a time to launch this promotion.

 

[winbig]

I understand what you are saying Chuchu and playing Devils advocate but if the money belonged tot he player he could do with it whatever he wished, like cash out for example.
The max win on the bonus is clear.
That is what the player should receive and the rest returned to the Jackpot.

Yep....even if they tried to say that the player kept the $215K in his account so he could earn comps, doesn't even make it right. They can't have their cake, and eat it, too.

 

[winbig]

This is probably an overestimate of the number of spins. More typical is a 0.5% or even 1% contribition to the jackpot. Somewhere between these figures would be 3c per spin contribution, so about 6 million spins to get the JP up to $200k.

As stated earlier in this thread, the 27,000 users of this promotion would have an initial bankroll of just over $1m. Assuming a realistic return of 90% on this slot before the jackpot, that allows a total wager of $10m. The number of spins played is $10m/$3.75 = 2.67 million spins.

Most online jackpots have a hit frequency less than 2.67 million spins.

The jackpot would also be unusually large at $200k - having taken 6 million+ spins to get there, which explains why the casino chose now as a time to launch this promotion.

If it was 100% random, then it could be "due" to hit for 6 trillion more spins and still not have paid out the JP.

Bottom line: They knew it was going to hit...

 

[bb28]

If it was 100% random, then it could be "due" to hit for 6 trillion more spins and still not have paid out the JP.

Bottom line: They knew it was going to hit...

You know......it's almost incomprehensible to actually believe that it's possible that it could or would happen in that a company would actually do what it appears they have done in this instance. It reeks of underhanded. Did they actually think that this wouldn't bite them in the ass?

Keep those odds threads coming.

 

[felicie]

Isn't it also perhaps the biggest insult to online gambler's intelligence that well I have ever seen and as an American does anyone smell 'conspiracy theory' yet?

 

[BingoT]

Hey bb I said screw it.
Started to remove them.
& made a thread
"Boycott Irish Luck Casino for now"
This is a start anyone else?

And this is to you Mallorca for making my mind up.

 

[BingoT]

Word got out to them because the jackpot stands at.
224,257.00+

 

[winbig]

Word got out to them because the jackpot stands at.
224,257.00+

This just happened

I checked a half hour ago and it was like $24K or something..but I checked it right now and you are correct.

 

[BingoT]

Now that they fixed this I still want a reply by them.
I started this thread and now I want something by them to end this.
We all should know the truth by them.
It might of been a BIG glich because when the Winner hit it that might of just set the jackpot where it should of started and it took time to reset it back to the higher amount.
Only God will know the truth.

 

[spearmaster]

Interesting.

However, there's a quandary - there was at least one jackpot winner since that time. Should that winner not have gotten the jackpot, or was it also off a free chip, in which case they should be compensating that player as well?

To me, restoring the jackpot is not an acceptable solution - only a full payout of the jackpot to the original winner is. I really don't give a rat's ass that it's going to cost the casino money to reseed the jackpot - they should suffer the consequences of their own actions.

This is like getting caught with cookies you stole and being made to put them back in the cookie jar, with no harm done except to the people who were expecting to eat those cookies in the first place.

 

[Casinomeister]

Well, that was a hell of a lot of speed reading on my part. I'm just catching up with this one

I smell a roguing coming up...

Not recommended at least - that was one hell of a bogus promo. Talk about nullifying any sense of gambling "fun". Casino sez - "hey, you've just won a life changing amount of cash... NOT!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!"

Bad, bad, bad.

BB, are you no longer an active affiliate? I still see your name in green but I was not quite sure.

Yep - bb quit the webmeister realm.

Please don't forget there are some outstanding casino properties out there. Don't let these amateurish casino stunts turn you off. If you are going to promote - promote the likes of 32red etc.

 

[Rusty]

Thank you for the update and at least the money has now been returned the Jackpot.
That should at least slow this thread down and lets hope some lucky punter sees the benefit soon.

Affiliates you can make gaming safer too, be selective as Bryan says.
Kudos to all those that take the time to check Casinos out thoroughly and look after their players.

 

[RobWin]

Interesting.

However, there's a quandary - there was at least one jackpot winner since that time. Should that winner not have gotten the jackpot, or was it also off a free chip, in which case they should be compensating that player as well?

To me, restoring the jackpot is not an acceptable solution - only a full payout of the jackpot to the original winner is. I really don't give a rat's ass that it's going to cost the casino money to reseed the jackpot - they should suffer the consequences of their own actions.

This is like getting caught with cookies you stole and being made to put them back in the cookie jar, with no harm done except to the people who were expecting to eat those cookies in the first place.

The first player that won the jackpot off of the Bonus Coupon was Mike Walker and he should only be entitled to the terms of that coupon that he had originally agreed to when he accepted the coupon, which had a max cashout of $375.00

At that point the progressive jackpot funds should have only been lowered or reduced by $375.00

The second player to have hit it should be entitled to the total amount of the jackpot, whatever it would have been at that point in time, 200K plus I'm sure, assuming he also did not use that Bonus Coupon with the $375 max cashout terms attached.

End of story!

 

[Jasminebed]

I sent an email to Mike (the Irish Luck promotion winner) letting him know about Casinomeister. I've had a reply, he says he'll come over to view and maybe join up and reply.

I'm glad to see the progressive funds returned now. It presents a problem for that second jackpot winner, but as an earlier poster says, they played a progressive with a progressive jackpot advertised at 6K, and won it, assuming they were not playing the same promotion. Even then, with $5K worth of playthrough, they might need most of it to achieve WR and cashout the $375 max.

Irish Luck sure created a big mess with this promotion. But it is my strong feeling that public expose here, over at GWPA forum (thanks KK) and elsewhere was a factor in the proper move of restoring jackpot funds.

 

[KasinoKing]

Irish Luck sure created a big mess with this promotion. But it is my strong feeling that public expose here, over at GWPA forum (thanks KK) and elsewhere was a factor in the proper move of restoring jackpot funds.

You have to wonder, don't you, that if this Jackpot had been hit by a less savvy gambler who was not even aware of online forums, would Irish Luck have just paid him $375, pocketed the $215,000 and none of us or any other Rival players would be any the wiser...?

Also as you said, have they only returned the money to the JP pool because of the pressure from the forums?
I mean, if that was their intention from the start don't you think they would have made some public announcement about it as quickly as humanly possible before the story blew up in to the huge heap of manure we have now?

Something still stinks - and it don't smell of roses...

I'm hoping we'll get some sort of statement about this from Irish Luck or Rival, but considering their significant history of keeping their heads buried in the sand, I'm not holding my breath...

KK

 

[spearmaster]

The first player that won the jackpot off of the Bonus Coupon was Mike Walker and he should only be entitled to the terms of that coupon that he had originally agreed to when he accepted the coupon, which had a max cashout of $375.00

At that point the progressive jackpot funds should have only been lowered or reduced by $375.00

The second player to have hit it should be entitled to the total amount of the jackpot, whatever it would have been at that point in time, 200K plus I'm sure, assuming he also did not use that Bonus Coupon with the $375 max cashout terms attached.

End of story!

I disagree. The jackpot has no provision for anything less than a full disbursement of the jackpot - and thus the entire amount must be disbursed, or none of the amount disbursed in the event of fraud. The terms and conditions of the promotion are essentially void if a jackpot is hit.

This jackpot is unlike Mega Moolah, for example, with 4 tiers, or Caribbean Stud, which has provision for 10% for a straight flush (if I'm not mistaken). Every other jackpot of this sort is paid in full or not at all.

edit -> well, except in the case of a difference between the currency used and the jackpot's default currency, in which case the entire amount is paid out in the currency used, with the remainder left in the jackpot.

edit 2 -> Let me add further that the casino is NOT responsible for the amount of a jackpot - the software provider is. Thus, the casino has no reasonable right to require the software provider to only pay out a portion of the jackpot, even if the provider and the operator happen to be one and the same.

By allowing this, you are essentially giving carte blanche to any operator to dictate a maximum payout on any progressive jackpot by specifying such in its terms or conditions, with or without free chip or bonus. I am sure most, if not all, people agree that this simply is not reasonable.

 

[Jasminebed]

From my readings elsewhere, this questionable freespin bonus was only available to those players already depositing players and playing in US funds, so the currency is not an issue.

 

[RobWin]

I disagree. The jackpot has no provision for anything less than a full disbursement of the jackpot - and thus the entire amount must be disbursed, or none of the amount disbursed in the event of fraud. The terms and conditions of the promotion are essentially void if a jackpot is hit.

This jackpot is unlike Mega Moolah, for example, with 4 tiers, or Caribbean Stud, which has provision for 10% for a straight flush (if I'm not mistaken). Every other jackpot of this sort is paid in full or not at all.

edit -> well, except in the case of a difference between the currency used and the jackpot's default currency, in which case the entire amount is paid out in the currency used, with the remainder left in the jackpot.

Yea, I agree with you in principle there Spear strictly regarding the "Progressive Jackpot", as it or any progressive jackpot should not be used in a promo of this type. What I was mainly talking about were the terms of the "Bonus Coupon" in question.

Whether the $375 payout comes from the "Progressive" pot or not, it still should only be a max payout of $375 for Mike based on the coupon that he agreed to and accepted and played. Reset the jackpot by $375 each time it gets hit while that promotion is running or pay from the casinos general funds.

It still does not change the fact that all of the players that played this particular coupon did in fact agree to and accept those terms that were listed there in the bonus coupon.

It was absolutely absurd and an asinine move on Irish Luck and Rivals part though to have even made this insane promotion in the first place.