North Korea and US politics

[mack341]

And according to charts the US and the UK have done about the same amount of tests per capita. One reason for so many tests is that the virus has spread everywhere 'cause no social distancing/masks. If you didn't have so many sick people then you wouldn't need so many tests.

Have you forgotten the lack of social distancing in the protests and riots after the floyd death, did that lead to a rise in cases and deaths do you think?

 

[sufferinsilence]

So it was alright for fauci to lie, do you not think people or firms could have made some of these surgical style cloth masks [not the 3m respirators etc..] if fauci had said [like he is now] that a cloth mask will help and is essential. [used a bandana or scarf even, if he'd advised it?]

Also Fauci is on video in 2017 saying a virus outbreak was coming to the US, so as he's the director of the 'National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases' perhaps he should have ordered sufficient levels of PPE to be stored?

You missed out about the netherlands mask policy?

In the Netherlands it's now up to local authorities how to go about masks rather than on national level.

Sadly alot of countries had issues with not enough PPE in their stockpile, we were one of them. All because of cost cutting in the budget for healthcare, thanks conservatives. I hope governments have learned from this situation that cutting in healthcare is basically sending people to their graves.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Have you forgotten the lack of social distancing in the protests and riots after the floyd death, did that lead to a rise in cases and deaths do you think?

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Atleast there were alot of people wearing masks at those protests. I've watched hours of live footage when they were at their height and almost everyone was wearing a mask.

 

[cncas2123]

In the Netherlands it's now up to local authorities how to go about masks rather than on national level.

Sadly alot of countries had issues with not enough PPE in their stockpile, we were one of them. All because of cost cutting in the budget for healthcare, thanks conservatives. I hope governments have learned from this situation that cutting in healthcare is basically sending people to their graves.

I dont think it is as simple as that. The problem was with the speed at which this spread, within a few weeks it was virtually across the world and every single country was clamouring for PPE, there just wasnt enough stock produced.
I know that in the UK Health Trusts regularly " War Game " for various doomsday scenarios, including global pandemics, but this really did catch everyone out.
Over the last few months there has been a general re-purposing of production lines around the world to manufacture more PPE and Sanitizers etc, so we are in a better position now, but the whole world was really caught cold on this as it took about 8 weeks from the virus being identified until it was declared a pandemic.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I dont think it is as simple as that. The problem was with the speed at which this spread, within a few weeks it was virtually across the world and every single country was clamouring for PPE, there just wasnt enough stock produced.
I know that in the UK Health Trusts regularly " War Game " for various doomsday scenarios, including global pandemics, but this really did catch everyone out.
Over the last few months there has been a general re-purposing of production lines around the world to manufacture more PPE and Sanitizers etc, so we are in a better position now, but the whole world was really caught cold on this as it took about 8 weeks from the virus being identified until it was declared a pandemic.

One of our previous governments had stocked millions of masks and other PPE for the Mexican Flu but you have to refresh surgical masks every so often, one of the more recent governments decided against that because of cost cutting.

We shouldn't have been caught cold, experts have been warning for a serious pandemic to pop up for years. We had some warning shots with the Mexican Flu, SARS and MERS. The first one being a pandemic but luckily not as severe as feared, SARS and especially MERS were nipped in the butt pretty quickly.

 

[mack341]

Atleast there were alot of people wearing masks at those protests. I've watched hours of live footage when they were at their height and almost everyone was wearing a mask.

how were they able to chant and shout wearing masks, plenty in these two pics aren't wearing them

 

[sufferinsilence]

how were they able to chant and shout wearing masks, plenty in these two pics aren't wearing them

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And alot of them were, at the Trump rally's most weren't. Go have a look at the selfie Herman Cain posted on Twitter when attending one of them. Have you noticed that since that Tulsa rally everything Trump has done that attracts a crowd is outside? Some of the crowd even started wearing masks, would you believe it...

But I'm not saying there haven't been people getting infected, severely ill or have died after attending BLM or other protests either.

 

[cncas2123]

One of our previous governments had stocked millions of masks and other PPE for the Mexican Flu but you have to refresh surgical masks every so often, one of the more recent governments decided against that because of cost cutting.

We shouldn't have been caught cold, experts have been warning for a serious pandemic to pop up for years. We had some warning shots with the Mexican Flu, SARS and MERS. The first one being a pandemic but luckily not as severe as feared, SARS and especially MERS were nipped in the butt pretty quickly.

I think there was a certain complacency that had set in after SARS, MERS and the containment of Ebola etc, I think that most governments thought everything would be stopped before it got to their borders, or it would be at the least reduced to a manageable level, but this one was different and if, as is being reported, it had already got into Europe pre December the damage was already done before we even became aware of how virulent it was.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I think there was a certain complacency that had set in after SARS, MERS and the containment of Ebola etc, I think that most governments thought everything would be stopped before it got to their borders, or it would be at the least reduced to a manageable level, but this one was different and if, as is being reported, it had already got into Europe pre December the damage was already done before we even became aware of how virulent it was.

That's a good point you make there: complacency. The world being what it is now, a local outbreak of a very contagious virus is always a global threat. It only takes one person to step on a plane and you can spread it to 25 different countries so to speak.

 

[vorcirion]

Have you forgotten the lack of social distancing in the protests and riots after the floyd death, did that lead to a rise in cases and deaths do you think?

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Sure absolutely those probably spread the disease too. But trumpsters have made it their religion about not to wear a mask. It's just another disaster after another under Trump's leadership. Do you honestly think he's able to fix any of this? He lacks any kind of credibility now.

 

[mack341]

Sure absolutely those probably spread the disease too. But trumpsters have made it their religion about not to wear a mask. It's just another disaster after another under Trump's leadership. Do you honestly think he's able to fix any of this? He lacks any kind of credibility now.

I don't know how many republican voters are wearing masks or not, If people use social distancing and maintain extra hygiene it should still have an effect. Btw Are they all redneck trumpsters in the netherlands/sweden for not wearing a mask?

Not sure what you mean by fixing things, it's a virus in a country of 330 million people, with lots having health conditions that make them more vulnerable. There's no magic button or policy that will fix that. [obviously a vaccine could be available soon, and under trump they have created operation warp speed. I'm not keen on a mandatory vax for everyone on the planet but no doubt many are]

I'm not fully up to date on the mortality rate in proportion to cases in the US, the media portray everything regarding the virus in ways to increase fear, so it takes time to look into and not just soak up the msm hysteria.

 

[mack341]

[NB meme from twitter^ not related to steve scalise's website]


from congressmen steve scalise's website, 2 jul:

While nursing home residents make up 0.6% of the U.S. population, they account for 42% of nationwide COVID-19 deaths

New York has seen 6,448 deaths in nursing homes and New Jersey has seen 6,626. Those are in comparison to the 1,867 seen in Florida, a retirement state that followed CMS guidelines. On a per-capita basis, nursing home deaths in New York have been 400% higher than Florida and New Jersey’s have been have been 1,000% higher than Florida.

Four Facts That Will Never Change:

1. CMS issued its first guidance regarding COVID in nursing homes on February 6 – three weeks before the first outbreak in Kirkland, WA.
2. CMS issued clear guidance on March 13 to avoid discharging COVID-positive patients back to a nursing home that is unable to properly treat and quarantine them.
3. Despite that warning, five Governors issued lethal “must admit” orders mandating nursing homes accept possibly contagious and untested residents discharged from a hospital.
4. Fearing legal repercussions, nursing homes followed these orders and these orders resulted in thousands of preventable deaths.

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So is Trump to blame for all of this too?

 

[mack341]

Just seen this on twitter too, and got my blood up with anger, absolute scumbags The video footage was on twitter but I couldn't bring myself to watch it, apparently there was a crowd cheering.

 

[sufferinsilence]

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[dionysus]

oh, different model, my bad

(oh, relax, i didnt make it, it was on FB) - I've nothing against the woman

 

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[sufferinsilence]

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I think -and don't quote me on that, I'm too lazy to look it up right now- if there's no official result come inauguration day the Speaker of the House will be President ad-interim.

 

[dionysus]

I think -and don't quote me on that, I'm too lazy to look it up right now- if there's no official result come inauguration day the Speaker of the House will be President ad-interim.

a read regarding that

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[sufferinsilence]

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Democrats.

So delaying the election wouldn’t necessarily mean Trump stays in office past the end of his term, and it wouldn’t necessarily mean Pelosi would assume the office of president. But it would also raise the likelihood that the senator who does assume office would be selected by the remaining sitting senators, who would be majority Democrats."

I don't think Trump would like that either

 

[dionysus]

No matter how it plays out, he'll still be escorted off the premises at the end of his term, barring, being re-elected

 

[vorcirion]

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Oh that's perfect. The more Trump speaks the better it is for democrats. Gonna be fun to watch it

 

[vorcirion]

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[NB meme from twitter^ not related to steve scalise's website]


from congressmen steve scalise's website, 2 jul:

While nursing home residents make up 0.6% of the U.S. population, they account for 42% of nationwide COVID-19 deaths

New York has seen 6,448 deaths in nursing homes and New Jersey has seen 6,626. Those are in comparison to the 1,867 seen in Florida, a retirement state that followed CMS guidelines. On a per-capita basis, nursing home deaths in New York have been 400% higher than Florida and New Jersey’s have been have been 1,000% higher than Florida.

Four Facts That Will Never Change:

1. CMS issued its first guidance regarding COVID in nursing homes on February 6 – three weeks before the first outbreak in Kirkland, WA.
2. CMS issued clear guidance on March 13 to avoid discharging COVID-positive patients back to a nursing home that is unable to properly treat and quarantine them.
3. Despite that warning, five Governors issued lethal “must admit” orders mandating nursing homes accept possibly contagious and untested residents discharged from a hospital.
4. Fearing legal repercussions, nursing homes followed these orders and these orders resulted in thousands of preventable deaths.

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So is Trump to blame for all of this too?

Nope that's those governors' fault. But it's Trump's fault that the virus is so widespread in the US. Plenty of time to get ready. Plenty of resources too.

I wonder how soon US intelligence knew about this virus. Trump could've done things much earlier before it became a pandemic even when chinese government tried to hide the problem. Trump could've exposed what was really going on if he was interested in reading his intelligence briefings.

 

[geordiecolin]

I don't think anarchists vote either way They want no government at all hence why they are occupying a part of a city and declaring authonomy from all local and federal government and authorities. If Democratic mayors and governors think this will gain them some votes they're wrong.

Violence isn't going to solve any of this but neither is sending in masked stormtroopers without badge or identification that go and round up people. That's just scary imo.

If anarchists got their way they would depose whoever where in charge. But would they then have to depose themselves?

 

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[mack341]

Nope that's those governors' fault. But it's Trump's fault that the virus is so widespread in the US. Plenty of time to get ready. Plenty of resources too.

I wonder how soon US intelligence knew about this virus. Trump could've done things much earlier before it became a pandemic even when chinese government tried to hide the problem. Trump could've exposed what was really going on if he was interested in reading his intelligence briefings.

yes there was something about that, the intelligence people knowing 2 weeks before the chinese announcement or something, but then there are also some articles/reports saying the virus may have been circulating in 2019 and even earlier. It was already in the west before the wuhan outbreak, could be true, but come the winter period it took off like a rocket?

I don't think making unreasonable claims, just because they hate trump to the core, is going to help democrats win votes; and at the rate they are talking up biden, he will be a genius president who'll solve all the problems, got to wonder why then, after 8 years of power as a VP he didn't produce much evidence of doing that before.

 

[vorcirion]

yes there was something about that, the intelligence people knowing 2 weeks before the chinese announcement or something, but then there are also some articles/reports saying the virus may have been circulating in 2019 and even earlier. It was already in the west before the wuhan outbreak, could be true, but come the winter period it took off like a rocket?

I don't think making unreasonable claims, just because they hate trump to the core, is going to help democrats win votes; and at the rate they are talking up biden, he will be a genius president who'll solve all the problems, got to wonder why then, after 8 years of power as a VP he didn't produce much evidence of doing that before.

Obama years were pretty good! Obamacare is also popular and their rein ended in pretty good place with the economy. And I mean compare those years to Trump years. Pandemic, unrest in the cities, economy tanked, a lot of unemployed people and congress stopped helping them, trade war with China, GOP with QAnon candidate (at least not having a pedo this time), Trump's buddy Bannon arrested from chinese billionaire's yacht, no plans for healthcare, limiting women's rights, race relations gotten much worse, no trust for police and yeah...that's quite a track record imo. We'll see what voters think

 

[mack341]

Obama years were pretty good! Obamacare is also popular and their rein ended in pretty good place with the economy. And I mean compare those years to Trump years. Pandemic, unrest in the cities, economy tanked, a lot of unemployed people and congress stopped helping them, trade war with China, GOP with QAnon candidate (at least not having a pedo this time), Trump's buddy Bannon arrested from chinese billionaire's yacht, no plans for healthcare, limiting women's rights, race relations gotten much worse, no trust for police and yeah...that's quite a track record imo. We'll see what voters think

If the obama years were so good why did 9 million democrats jump ship and vote for trump? [ tim pool mentioned that figure in one of his vids recently ]

 

[vorcirion]

If the obama years were so good why did 9 million democrats jump ship and vote for trump? [ tim pool mentioned that figure in one of his vids recently ]

Hate of Hillary, trusting a con man...who knows. Republicans seem to be pretty good at spreading hate. Not gonna work with Biden this time. And now there's a track record of Trump's "accomplishments".

 

[mack341]

Hate of Hillary, trusting a con man...who knows. Republicans seem to be pretty good at spreading hate. Not gonna work with Biden this time. And now there's a track record of Trump's "accomplishments".

You're getting very excited about this imminent biden victory, not saying it won't happen as I'm not on the ground in the US to pick up on the consensus/mood in the air. Just going on the msm biased output though is not a sensible idea for a betting man. Tim pool seems to feel Trump is going to win and he is a bit of a leftie.

the democrats need to increase their votes in the swing states, not just preach to the converted in the strongholds, I dunno, I could see people wanting trump gone just so the MSM soap opera stops as it is a form of psychological - attack is too strong a word - something unpleasant and negative being beamed at them daily

 

[vorcirion]

You're getting very excited about this imminent biden victory, not saying it won't happen as I'm not on the ground in the US to pick up on the consensus/mood in the air. Just going on the msm biased output though is not a sensible idea for a betting man. Tim pool seems to feel Trump is going to win and he is a bit of a leftie.

the democrats need to increase their votes in the swing states, not just preach to the converted in the strongholds, I dunno, I could see people wanting trump gone just so the MSM soap opera stops as it is a form of psychological - attack is too strong a word - something unpleasant and negative being beamed at them daily

Well there are many republicans who are voting for Biden. Just look at Lincoln Project and many republican national security officials who feel like Trump is betraying the country. And Biden is a good guy. I don't think there will be so many non-voters this time as was with Hillary. And Trump will attract about all democrats to the polls for sure. Just gotta see how independents vote.
Trump will get about 40% of the votes anyway...that's like the absolute minimum. Margins will be small...so sure there's a chance that Trump might win. It's just very unlikely at this point imo. Anything can change!

 

[vorcirion]

You're getting very excited about this imminent biden victory, not saying it won't happen as I'm not on the ground in the US to pick up on the consensus/mood in the air. Just going on the msm biased output though is not a sensible idea for a betting man. Tim pool seems to feel Trump is going to win and he is a bit of a leftie.

the democrats need to increase their votes in the swing states, not just preach to the converted in the strongholds, I dunno, I could see people wanting trump gone just so the MSM soap opera stops as it is a form of psychological - attack is too strong a word - something unpleasant and negative being beamed at them daily

What do you think is Trump's message at this point? Why people should vote for him?

 

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[sufferinsilence]

If the obama years were so good why did 9 million democrats jump ship and vote for trump? [ tim pool mentioned that figure in one of his vids recently ]

Beanie Boy?

Alot of floating voters. You shouldn't really have to convince your own core tbh, you have to convince those that decide in the last couple of months/weeks/days/hours. They'll decide the outcome.

 

[mack341]

What do you think is Trump's message at this point? Why people should vote for him?

Not sure, that's the thing with the MSM, they focus on point scoring rather than questioning trump and republicans on their policies [future and past] Their conference is this week I believe? I think it will be law and order focused or play to the fears of what the democrats will do, so people should stick to the safe pair of hands and vote republican - that kind of thing.

Apparently Joe has said mandatory masks for everyone outdoors - not just shops - for at least 3 months, so that could be an issue that divides people, I wouldn't say it was a sure-fire vote winner.

 

[sufferinsilence]

You're getting very excited about this imminent biden victory, not saying it won't happen as I'm not on the ground in the US to pick up on the consensus/mood in the air. Just going on the msm biased output though is not a sensible idea for a betting man. Tim pool seems to feel Trump is going to win and he is a bit of a leftie.

the democrats need to increase their votes in the swing states, not just preach to the converted in the strongholds, I dunno, I could see people wanting trump gone just so the MSM soap opera stops as it is a form of psychological - attack is too strong a word - something unpleasant and negative being beamed at them daily

Tim Poole is a libertarian who says he leans more towards the Dems yet always seems to bash them and didn't even vote in the 2016 election...

 

[sufferinsilence]

Not sure, that's the thing with the MSM, they focus on point scoring rather than questioning trump and republicans on their policies [future and past] Their conference is this week I believe? I think it will be law and order focused or play to the fears of what the democrats will do, so people should stick to the safe pair of hands and vote republican - that kind of thing.

Apparently Joe has said mandatory masks for everyone outdoors - not just shops - for at least 3 months, so that could be an issue that divides people, I wouldn't say it was a sure-fire vote winner.

See, that's the issue. R's play on the fears of people: "oh no, if Biden is elected then the whole country will soon be on fire!". Meanwhile they're struggling like no other under a pandemic which is partly driven by the fact that Trump only thought about keeping the "strong" economy going because of the election in November. When people are struggling day to day and you're tweeting about how strong the Nasdaq is or to have a look at your 405k's you're disconnected from reality. End of.

He'll probably promise nobody will have to wear masks, just to be different from Biden... That's the kinda politics that does indeed divide people.

 

[mack341]

Tim Poole is a libertarian who says he leans more towards the Dems yet always seems to bash them and didn't even vote in the 2016 election...

I haven't followed his output that much, he makes some interesting points [ and does seem to have that hat glued to his head ] I'm assuming he's in touch with others of his age and representative of lefties who see through the establishment democrats like clinton. she is still the beating heart of the dnc, I highly doubt joe will differ too much to what she would have offered. But he seems to be more genuinely liked by many people, uncle joe etc..

 

[Kroffe]

 

[mack341]

See, that's the issue. R's play on the fears of people: "oh no, if Biden is elected then the whole country will soon be on fire!". Meanwhile they're struggling like no other under a pandemic which is partly driven by the fact that Trump only thought about keeping the "strong" economy going because of the election in November. When people are struggling day to day and you're tweeting about how strong the Nasdaq is or to have a look at your 405k's you're disconnected from reality. End of.

He'll probably promise nobody will have to wear masks, just to be different from Biden... That's the kinda politics that does indeed divide people.

I agree about trump's obsession with the stock market, when he must know part of that is bubble economics, but then he was never getting any good press, so I can see why he would grasp onto that using it as a measure of his presidency's success/performance.

It is going to be interesting whatever happens.

 

[Kroffe]

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[vorcirion]

Not sure, that's the thing with the MSM, they focus on point scoring rather than questioning trump and republicans on their policies [future and past] Their conference is this week I believe? I think it will be law and order focused or play to the fears of what the democrats will do, so people should stick to the safe pair of hands and vote republican - that kind of thing.

Apparently Joe has said mandatory masks for everyone outdoors - not just shops - for at least 3 months, so that could be an issue that divides people, I wouldn't say it was a sure-fire vote winner.

Trump should be able to give out a message if he feels like it. Not liberal media's job to pull out ideas from Trump. Even Hannity wasn't able to do that...how could MSNBC/CNN do that job?
Trump's plans for healthcare:

Still nothing...

So yeah I agree that's what RNC convention will be about...law and order and spreading fears about democrats. Aka more division. DNC did a good job imo so yeah...the choice is pretty clear.

 

[sufferinsilence]

 

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[mack341]

Trump should be able to give out a message if he feels like it. Not liberal media's job to pull out ideas from Trump. Even Hannity wasn't able to do that...how could MSNBC/CNN do that job?
Trump's plans for healthcare:

Still nothing...

So yeah I agree that's what RNC convention will be about...law and order and spreading fears about democrats. Aka more division. DNC did a good job imo so yeah...the choice is pretty clear.

Trump gives out messages every day on twitter, you should give it a gander

"What do you think is Trump's message at this point? Why people should vote for him? " was your question to me.

I can probably find a basic policy outline on the republican or whitehouse website, but it would be better for the voting public if the msm used their question allotment to dig into things more, rather than just asking 'gotcha' questions.

 

[goatwack]

Did I just read Biden's 'a good guy'? As in not the girl-fondling, hair-sniffing creep he's been shown up to be in countless instances?

Actually staggering how people will lambast Trump for his multitude of supposed failings but excuse creepy ol' Joke Biden when it suits them. Hmmm

Also the guy's clearly senile and getting worse by the day. But hey-ho, if some advocate for that then good for them. Just shows how demented Bidenites really are!

 

[sufferinsilence]

Did I just read Biden's 'a good guy'? As in not the girl-fondling, hair-sniffing creep he's been shown up to be in countless instances?

Actually staggering how people will lambast Trump for his multitude of supposed failings but excuse creepy ol' Joke Biden when it suits them. Hmmm

Also the guy's clearly senile and getting worse by the day. But hey-ho, if some advocate for that then good for them. Just shows how demented Bidenites really are!

Perhaps he's the lesser of 2 evils in a 2 horse race? The American system is broken.

 

[mack341]

It is surprising though if you think about it, the sense young people have of the left's imminent success, [take a look at the comments and threads on reddit for example, the triumphalism and momentum they feel] 90 % of the media promoting and approving of their ideas, and yet they have to rely on a 77yr old who's was in the senate 48 years ago, and possibly now a bit senile. something of a disconnect going on there.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I wouldn't call him senile but other than that I agree. Sadly for the Dems there is no Obama figure around right now, someone like that would crush Trump I reckon.

I'm still going for a 50/50 split right now even tho the polls have had Biden leading for months.

 

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I'm quoting myself here which is weird but there's some follow-up now.