Secret Societies, The New World Order, and you.

Seventh777

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I think it is time that people in general were made aware of the true intentions of TPTB, whom control most of world`s leading countries. The last time 5-6 of them organised a world event it cost the lives of 78 million `Useless Eaters` including both my granddads, resulting in me facing a childhood without the best partner a young boy could have - his granddad, it is a well known fact amongst those that research the New World Order, the next target for reducing the world`s population is a reduction of roughly 90% and everything is nice and neatly in place for that, all you need once again are those 5-6 men in charge of the world`s most powerful countries and media manipulation, nothing more, nothing less, create a false reason for enforcing the following retaliation (in this case Iran having nuclear capabilities) initiate yet another false flag event. But, this would have an obvious flaw, as Iran does not have nuclear weapons their target of a 90% world population reduction would be impossible to reach?, easily solved, all they need is one of the players whom does have nuclear power to take Iran`s side.......

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Anyway`s back to the plot, I will be contributing a huge amount of relative information in this thread and will update it accordingly when I have the time, I openly invite people to add bits and ofc debate with me, but, I will state this now, I have very little time for those whom offer nothing to the topic bar their own brash opinions based on what they have heard on TV or read from a book written by a disinformation specialist.

Most of what I write will be backed up by a reliable authenticated source, enforced by indisputable evidence (when applicable), this relative information will be but not limited to - Eye witness testimonies, scientific calculus and formulae, video evidence, and a whole heap more.

You may ask the question - `Why does Roy worry about these aspects so much?`, the answer is simple, this affects us all, and most of you are good, no, great people.

Others will ofc just fob me off as yet another nut job Conspiracy Theorist, all I will state here is - go do some research and find out just how many CT`s turned out to be true, the most famous ofc will be the one that in times gone past would brand people like me as a heretic, resulting in being executed, that CT was the Earth being round, and not square. Everyone knows my stand on 9/11, all I will add here is -

There are several challenges out there that carry generous rewards for anyone that can supply the relative data and a conclusive clarification on how the three towers that day (WTC1 -2 -7), defied the laws of physics including the most obvious - Newton`s 3rd Law of Motion F = ma - The Conservation of Momentum, (which is gravity based and means - a falling object follows the path of least resistance,) at nigh on free-fall speeds, which in laymen terms means - around 90 storeys of the towers (WTC1-2) which by all accounts were not damaged by either the plane or fire (which they were articulary designed to withstand and increased in both strength and integrity the nearer to ground level they were), offered absolutely no resistance at all and were reduced to dust before they hit the ground.

So, all I will say to those who believe the official account of 9/11 - don`t waste your time here debating with me, go and earn yourself a few hundred thousand dollars from the rewards put forward by the physics experts and constructional engineers/architects out there that are offering them, most of these rewards have been out there for nearly 11 years, and yet, not a single one of the millions of worldwide physic`s and construction experts have put forward a worthy enough hypothesis to claim a reward.

Like I say, you can believe NIST`s explanation of how the towers fell which was based on *an allegedly* reconstructed model of the towers that cannot ever be verified, because, and I quote `It would jeopardise public safety`, here is the lead engineer of NIST John Gross sidestepping a very valuable question regarding one of 1000`s of anomalies that day, how the temperatures and heat, were several hundreds of degrees hotter (and the resulting affects) than any inflammable substances could have possibly created?.........



So, who do you believe?, the many 1st responder accounts, technical experts, science/physics experts, constructional/architectural engineers, or, a man, employed by the government, whom can blatantly be seen lying, and has never had to disclose the relative data regarding NIST`s analysis of the collapses.


The Rise of The Illuminati.

The very 1st secret society that we are aware of, had (unlike today) a pure, noble, and honourable motive - to safeguard the Holy Grail, a goblet used by Jesus as he dined with the 12 disciples and depicted by Leonardo Da Vinci in his famous painting - The Last Supper, these were collectively known as The Order of the Knights Templar founded by the Crusader Knights in 1118 in Jerusalem in the Holy Land, but, as like many other aspects of life, greed, power, wealth, was to rear it`s ugly head, an early sign of character assassination and manipulating the public in general was clearly evident as King Philip the IV of France who was deeply in debt put immense pressure on the church to denounce the the Templars with false allegations of apostasy, idolatry, heresy, obscene rituals and homosexuality, financial corruption and fraud, and secrecy.

Statements from imprisoned Templars that were obtained via torture and after more bullying from Philip, Pope Clement then issued the papal bull Pastoralis Praeeminentiae on November 22, 1307, which instructed all Christian monarchs in Europe to arrest all Templars and seize their assets.

Roughly 4 hundred years after a new society appeared - The Freemasons, Freemasonry has incorporated Templar symbols and rituals in a number of Masonic bodies, as with any secret society, unless you are part of them, you will never know their true intentions, were the Illuminati and Freemasons somehow linked?, you decide.....

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Famous Quotes About "Depopulation".



Depopulationists think the earth's population needs to be DECREASED BY 90%. Learn how to protect yourself from sterilization, mercury in vaccines, fluoridation of water, pesticides, genetically modified organisms (GMOs), plus nuclear, chemical and biological weapons like DU, chem-trails, anthrax, AIDS & bird flu.

"One CFR published policy objective is substantial worldwide depopulation including half of the current U.S. population being targeted. This population reduction program is largely funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and the Merck Fund, both financially and administratively linked to the Merck pharmaceutical company--the world's leading vaccine manufacturer. Records show the Merck pharmaceutical company received a major share of the Nazi "flight capital" at the close of World War II when its president, George W. Merck, was America's biological weapons industry director. These facts were revealed by Norman Covert, Army public relations director at Fort Detrick in Frederick, MD, and veteran news correspondent Paul Manning in his book "Martin Bormann: Nazi in Exile" (Lyle Stuart, Inc, 1981)." — Dr. Leonard Horowitz

"Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society." — John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

"One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption—especially those born to minors, who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone. If a single mother really wished to keep her baby, she might be obliged to go through adoption proceedings and demonstrate her ability to support and care for it. Adoption proceedings probably should remain more difficult for single people than for married couples, in recognition of the relative difficulty of raising children alone. It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society." — John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

"Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control." — John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

"A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to implement than trying to sterilize men." — John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

"The development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin and removed when pregnancy is desired opens additional possibilities for coercive fertility control. The capsule could be implanted at puberty and might be removable, with official permission, for a limited number of births." — John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

"In today’s world, however, the number of children in a family is a matter of profound public concern. The law regulates other highly personal matters. For example, no one may lawfully have more than one spouse at a time. Why should the law not be able to prevent a person from having more than two children?" — John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

"Perhaps those agencies, combined with UNEP and the United Nations population agencies, might eventually be developed into a Planetary Regime—sort of an international super agency for population, resources, and environment. Such a comprehensive Planetary Regime could control the development, administration, conservation, and distribution of all natural resources, renewable or non renewable, at least insofar as international implications exist. Thus the Regime could have the power to control pollution not only in the atmosphere and oceans, but also in such freshwater bodies as rivers and lakes that cross international boundaries or that discharge into the oceans. The Regime might also be a logical central agency for regulating all international trade, perhaps including assistance from DCs to LDCs, and including all food on the international market." — John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

"The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries’ shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits." — John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

"To date, there has been no serious attempt in Western countries to use laws to control excessive population growth, although there exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated." — John P. Holdren, Obama’s science advisor, Ecoscience 1977.

"The resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion." — Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it." — Jacques Cousteau, 1991 explorer and UNESCO courier

"I believe that human overpopulation is the fundamental problem on Earth Today" [and] "We humans have become a disease, the Human pox." — Dave Foreman, Sierra Club, co founder of Earth First!

"We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population." — Margaret Sanger

"MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE" — Anonymously commissioned Georgia Guidestones

"Society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind" — Theodore Roosevelt

"If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." — Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, leader of the World Wildlife Fund

"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal" — Ted Turner, founder of CNN.

"And advanced forms of biological warfare that can "target" specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." — The Project for a New American Century, Rebuilding America’s Defences, p. 60, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz

"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history." — David Rockefeller Banker, Honorary director of Council on Foreign Relations, honorary chairman of Bilderberg Group & founder of Trilateral Commission. Member of Bohemian Club, praising Chairman Mao, whose policies killed at least 30 million people.

"Every one of you who gets to survive has to bury nine." — Eric Pianka

"[Disease] will control the scourge of humanity," — Eric Pianka

"I do not pretend that birth control is the only way in which population can be kept from increasing. There are others, which, one must suppose, opponents of birth control would prefer. War, as I remarked a moment ago, has hitherto been disappointing in this respect, but perhaps bacteriological war may prove more effective. If a Black Death could be spread throughout the world once in every generation survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full. There would be nothing in this to offend the consciences of the devout or to restrain the ambitions of nationalists. The state of affairs might be somewhat unpleasant, but what of that? Really high-minded people are indifferent to happiness, especially other people’s." — Bertrand Russell (1872-1970), Philosopher

"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." — Margaret Sanger

"Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need … We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock." — Margaret Sanger

"Eugenics is… the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems." — Margaret Sanger

"The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many" — Sir James Lovelock

"My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world." — Dave Foreman, US environmentalist and co-founder of the environmental movement Earth First!

"The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing." — Christopher Manes, Earth First!

"Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing." — David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club

"I wish very much that the wrong people could be prevented entirely from breeding" — Theodore Roosevelt

"The Puerto Ricans are the dirtiest, laziest, most dangerous and the Ivish race of men ever inhabiting this sphere… I have done my best to further the process of extermination by killing off eight and transplanting cancer into several more." — Dr Cornelius Rhoads (1898-1959) | Rockefeller Institute, Rhoads also headed two large chemical warfare projects, had a seat on the AEC (Atomic Energy Commission), and he headed the Sloan-Kettering Institute for Cancer Research

"I have studied with great interest," he told a fellow Nazi, "the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock." — Adolf Hitler

"While we were pussyfooting around…the Germans were calling a spade a spade." — Whitney, executive secretary of the American Eugenics Society, declared of Nazism

(referring to sterilizations) "The Germans are beating us at our own game." — Joseph De Jarnette, superintendent of Virginia’s Western State Hospital, 1934

"From an historical point of view, the first method which presents itself is execution . . . Its value in keeping up the standard of the race should not be underestimated." "Applied Eugenics" also devoted a chapter to "Lethal Selection," which operated "through the destruction of the individual by some adverse feature of the environment, such as excessive cold, or bacteria, or by bodily deficiency." — In 1918, Dr. Paul Popenoe, the Army venereal disease specialist during World War I, co-wrote the widely used textbook, "Applied Eugenics"

"Instead of recommending cleanliness to the poor, we should encourage contrary habits. In our towns we should make the streets narrower, crowd more people into the houses, and court the return of the plague." — Thomas Malthus

"Englishmen Francis Galton to describe the "science" of bettering human stock and the elimination of unwanted characteristics… and individuals. Galton proposed societal intervention for the furtherance of "racial quality," maintaining that "Jews are specialized for a parasitical existence upon other nations" and that "except by sterilization I cannot yet see any way of checking the produce of the unfit who are allowed their liberty and are below the reach of moral control." — Francis Galton

"The Aids epidemic, rather than being a scourge, is a welcome development in the inevitable reduction of human population… If it didn’t exist, radical environmentalists would have to invent [it]." — Dave Foreman, the founder of the environmental group EARTH FIRST!

Francis Crick, who together with James Watson is credited with the ground breaking discovery of the double-helix structure of DNA, declared at a conference shortly after receiving the Nobel Prize that the "reproductive autonomy" of human beings could not be tolerated in the future. Among other things, Crick suggested the idea of adding a chemical to public water supplies, that would make men and women sterile; only those who qualified for a "license" to produce children, would be given an antidote drug.

"We have to take away from humans in the long run their reproductive autonomy as the only way to guarantee the advancement of mankind." — Francis Crick

Alexander Graham Bell advocated passing laws (with success in some states) for compulsory sterilization of people deemed to be, as Bell called them, a "defective variety of the human race."

"If the youth is content to abandon his previous associates and to throw in his lot whole-heartedly with the rulers, he may, after suitable tests, be promoted, but if he shows any regrettable solidarity with his previous associates, the rulers will reluctantly conclude that there is nothing to be done with him except to send him to the lethal chamber before his ill-disciplined intelligence has had time to spread revolt. This will be a painful duty to the rulers, but I think they will not shrink from performing it." — Bertrand Russell, "The Scientific Outlook", 1931

"The first task is population control at home. How do we go about it? Many of my colleagues feel that some sort of compulsory birth regulation would be necessary to achieve such control. One plan often mentioned involves the addition of temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple food. Doses of the antidote would be carefully rationed by the government to produce the desired population size." — Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb

AIDS and other diseases will be the COVER STORY for the decimation. The real causes will be starvation, contaminated water (which has existed for a long time), toxic vaccines given to people who are already immune-suppressed, wars, and of course, stolen farmland. [2003] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport

Investigations by EIR have uncovered a planning apparatus operating outside the control of the White House whose sole purpose is to reduce the world's population by 2 billion people through war, famine, disease and any other means necessary. [1981] The Haig-Kissinger depopulation policy by Lonnie Wolfe

Rockefeller also told Russo that his family's foundation had created and bankrolled the women's liberation movement in order to destroy the family and that population reduction was a fundamental aim of the global elite. Rockefeller Admitted Elite Goal Of Micro chipped Population

"A million Armenians and 30,000 Kurds were killed in this country (Turkey) and I am the only one who dares to talk about it." -- Orhan Pamuk (Observer 23 Oct, 2005)

Apparently it was a decision reached by the secret government. The final decision was made in the White House in 1972 on the basis of a meeting of world leaders under Nixon. A friend of mine got the notes from that. He's now in prison, and he talked about it publicly in 1974. He said that they had the meeting and agreed that the planet was overpopulated and that it had to be reduced. The decision was to reduce the population from 5 billion, which it was at that time, to 1 billion by the year 2000. They were to use any and all means to do this. They believed that the earth could only handle 1 billion inhabitants. Their problem was how to exterminate 80% of the world population in 30 years. They modified the figure to be 2 billion by 2000, but the AIDS thing is going to take care of a good part of that for them. The latest figures coming out of Washington indicate that Africa is now as good as doomed. In another ten years, 75% of Africa will be dead. ORION TECHNOLOGY AND OTHER SECRET PROJECTS Al Bielek and Preston Nichols

Through World Health Organization inoculations that were contaminated with the virus. The first program was in black Africa in 1974 with the smallpox inoculations. They then went to Brazil and other Hispanic countries and did it there. In 1978, they laced the gamma globulin for the Hepatitis B vaccine because the homosexual population was the greatest consumer. That's why it showed up first in the United States in the homosexual population and why it was claimed to be a homosexual disease. Nothing could be further from the truth, but it was something the Evangelists took up quickly, saying that AIDS was "Gods curse on the homosexual". People didn't worry about it who weren't gay. The people who planned this didn't figure on the ability of the virus to mutate. ORION TECHNOLOGY AND OTHER SECRET PROJECTS Al Bielek and Preston Nichols

My investigation proves that biological agents were not only developed and used in the Persian Gulf war, but that they are in fact part of the Global 2000 population downsizing program..........the information that I want to get out to the American people is that the Gulf War illnesses are actually communicable diseases. The microbes will live almost indefinitely, but for a minimum of seven years. It's on the gas masks, the clothing, the weapons -- any of the materials brought back from the Gulf War. I have reports from several different states where civilians that bought some of the clothing went home and wore them, and now the entire family is in wheel chairs; there have been some deaths as a result of this. The Resnick Interview with Peter Kawaja and Ex-NSA Agent Joe Jordan

Every Sephardi child was to be given 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays through his head. For doing so, the American government paid the Israeli government 300 million Israeli Liras a year. The entire Health budget was 60 million liras. The money paid by the Americans is equivalent to billions of dollars today. To fool the parents of the victims, the children were taken away on "school trips" and their parents were later told the x-rays were a treatment for the scourge of scalpal ringworm. 6,000 of the children died shortly after their doses were given, while many of the rest developed cancers that killed thousands over time and are still killing them now. While living, the victims suffered from disorders such as epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer's disease, chronic headaches and psychosis. ......The film presents a historian who first gives a potted history of the eugenics movement. In a later sound bite, he declares that the ringworm operation was a eugenics program aimed at weeding out the perceived weak strains of society. [August 19, 2004 Israel ] Ringworm and Radiation

To cause by means of limited wars in the advanced countries, by means of starvation and diseases in the Third World countries, the death of three billion people by the year 2050, people they call "useless eaters". The Committee of 300 (Illuminati) commissioned Cyrus Vance to write a paper on this subject of how to bring about such genocide. The paper was produced under the title "Global 2000 Report" and was accepted and approved for action by former President James Earl Carter, and Edwin Muskie, then Secretary of States, for and on behalf of the US Government. Under the terms of the Global 2000 Report, the population of the US is to be reduced by 100 million by the year of 2050. Targets of the Illuminati and the Committee of 300 By Dr. John Coleman

To bring about depopulation of large cities according to the trial run carried out by the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia. It is interesting to note that Pol Pot's genocidal plans were drawn up in the US by one of the Club of Rome's research foundations, and overseen by Thomas Enders, a high-ranking State Department official. It is also interesting that the committee is currently seeking to reinstate the Pol Pot butchers in Cambodia. Targets of the Illuminati and the Committee of 300 By Dr. John Coleman.

Society is being weeded out right now, as minority species are being eliminated very specifically by biological germ warfare and other tactics meant to insure the elimination of those less genetically favourable...Our food is being tampered with, by the insertion of food additives and substances like aspartame. ....They view this as a massive genetic clean up."--Thanks for the Memories: The Memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's mind control slave by Brice Taylor.

It was not a large leap for a J.D. Rockefeller to go from owning the oil industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the banking industry etc. to wanting to own the whole world. This is the reason that Rockefeller and his foundation have been in the forefront of the population "control" and eugenics movement. Ultimately the goal is to reduce the earth's population for the simple warped reason that the less there is for you and me, the more there will be for J.D. and his cronies. The elite just loves birth control. Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Ted Turner are among the ultra rich that have donated billions to spreading the gospel of contraception, abortion, and feminism using the United Nations and "US Aid." Rockefeller funded the invention of the pill, the IUD and owns the rights to the abortion drug RU-486. In the last 50 years, billions of public dollars have been spent on "family planning" designed to limit population by deceit and coercion, including compulsory abortion and infanticide. In "The War Against Population (1988)," Dr. Jacqueline Kasun writes that in 1981, a directory of population control agencies in Washington DC listed 92 private (but mostly publicly funded) agencies, 12 United Nations and 57 agencies of the US government (p. 198). "The real problem of government family planning is not one of families out of control but of planners out of control," she wrote (p.211). The Devil's Work: Feminism and the Elite Depopulation Agenda By Henry Makow Ph.D

It was the residential "schools" that constituted the death camps of the Canadian Holocaust, and within their walls nearly one-half of all aboriginal children sent there by law died, or disappeared, according to the government's own statistics.

These 50,000 victims have vanished, as have their corpses - "like they never existed", according to one survivor. But they did exist. They were innocent children, and they were killed by beatings and torture and after being deliberately exposed to tuberculosis and other diseases by paid employees of the churches and government, according to a "Final Solution" master plan devised by the Department of Indian Affairs and the Catholic and Protestant churches.

With such official consent for manslaughter emanating from Ottawa, the churches responsible for annihilating natives on the ground felt emboldened and protected enough to declare full-scale war on non-Christian native peoples through the 20th century.

The casualties of that war were not only the 50,000 dead children of the residential schools, but the survivors, whose social condition today has been described by United Nations human rights groups as that of "a colonized people barely on the edge of survival, with all the trappings of a third-world society". (November 12, 1999) HIDDEN FROM HISTORY - The Canadian Holocaust by Rev. Kevin D. Annett, MA, MDiv

Denis Halliday, who the previous year had resigned as assistant secretary general of the United Nations. He said: "We are waging a war through the United Nations on the people of Iraq. We're targeting civilians. Worse, we're targeting children. . . . What is this all about?".... he wrote, "because the policy of economic sanctions is . . . destroying an entire society. Five thousand children are dying every month. I don't want to administer a program that satisfies the definition of genocide."

Halliday's successor, Hans von Sponeck, another assistant secretary general with more than 30 years' service, also resigned in protest. ......Von Sponeck's disclosure that the sanctions restricted Iraqis to living on little more than $100 a year was not reported. "Deliberate strangulation," he called it. Neither was the fact that, up to July 2002, more than $5 billion worth of humanitarian supplies, which had been approved by the UN sanctions committee and paid for by Iraq, were blocked by George W. Bush, with Tony Blair's backing. They included food products, medicines and medical equipment, as well as items vital for water and sanitation, agriculture and education.

The cost in lives was staggering. Between 1991 and 1998, reported UNICEF, 500,000 Iraqi children under the age of five died. "If you include adults," said Halliday, "the figure is now almost certainly well over a million." The Media Culpability for Iraq By John Pilger

That`s all I have time for today.
 
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Seventh777

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Roy-I give you a lot of credit for the amount of work/thought you obviously put in to your post:)

Thank you very much hunny ;). For now though I will put it on hold, my Father is now deep into stage 4 of Emphysema, he has lost around half his total body weight and needs an oxygen mask, he can do nothing more than lay on his sofa.

Once again tyvm.

Roy.
 

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Ty for your post Roy. I will not get into discussion right now, but I do follow closely and can say this; I do believe in the New World Order as so do millions of other people and until most wake up and realize what the motive and outcome will be, we are doomed.

Your welcome hun, I guess the average person just accepts world wars as part and parcel of being a human, a necessity that comes with the territory and the reason most countries need nuclear weapons, not many have researched all the conflicts from the past few hundred years or so, if they did/had they would notice an all to common similarity - Each and every war that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of millions can be attributed down to a handful of men, this has nothing to do with religion, well, I tell a lie, it has everything to do with religion, Christians are to blame for every single one, follow the trail of conflicts between Jews, Muslims, and you will find at the forefront the people who created the animosity, placed the tyrannical leaders in command and armed them.

How many countries would need an armed to the teeth military and an outrageously amount of nuclear overkill, if, world leaders had the ethics, doctrines, beliefs, morals and integrity, identical to such people as Martin Luther King, the Dalai Lama, and Ghandi?, to name just a few.

We stockpile arms and spend around 50% of our whole countries income on the military because governments tell us that we need to do that, if we removed every single warmonger leader from their respective countries, there would be world peace, it really is that simple.

I`m 100% certain that if there was a world poll asking people if they agree with wars and the deaths, carnage, heartbreak, ruined cities, hatred, injuries, they cause, only the raging psychopaths and politicians would say yes, the self same people who started the wars and sit safely at home, whilst millions of dads, husbands, brothers, sons, put their lives on the line, fighting for a cause that they actually believe in.
 

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Thank you very much hunny ;). For now though I will put it on hold, my Father is now deep into stage 4 of Emphysema, he has lost around half his total body weight and needs an oxygen mask, he can do nothing more than lay on his sofa.

Once again tyvm.

Roy.

Thinking of you mate.

Hope that your Dad finds peace and comfort from his family in this difficult time, and that you know that you have many friends here at CM who will support you.
 

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Thinking of you mate.

Hope that your Dad finds peace and comfort from his family in this difficult time, and that you know that you have many friends here at CM who will support you.

Thank you so much bud, life is the most precious thing on this planet, safeguarding our children`s future comes hand in hand with this, in these harrowing times it sickens me a whole heap more than normal, to see those who treat life with such contempt, disdain and disrespect.

Thanks.

Roy.
 

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Thank you very much hunny ;). For now though I will put it on hold, my Father is now deep into stage 4 of Emphysema, he has lost around half his total body weight and needs an oxygen mask, he can do nothing more than lay on his sofa.

Once again tyvm.


Roy.


Roy I am very sorry to hear that. I have a LOT of empathy for what you are going through with your father. Just be there for him as long as you can.

Sending good thoughts/prayers for you both:)

**Just read Nifty's post-He is absolutely right that there are a lot of people here to support you in this!
 

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Roy I am very sorry to hear that. I have a LOT of empathy for what you are going through with your father. Just be there for him as long as you can.

Sending good thoughts/prayers for you both:)

**Just read Nifty's post-He is absolutely right that there are a lot of people here to support you in this!

Thank you hunny, it`s very comforting to see all this support ;).
 

Seventh777

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Until i`m in the right frame of mind, and add more stuff, some food for thought, what kind of society would see JFK, Martin Luther King, The Dalai Lama, John Lennon, Lady Diana, Rachel Corrie, Nelson Mandela, Lech Walesa, Malcolm X, and so many more, as a threat, when all they advocated, was world peace, an end to racial segregation, and solidarity?.



 
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"Ink fades, paper burns, words soon forgotten, but what is written in the soul, echoes in eternity."

Roy,words from the deepest part of the soul.

Thanks and so sorry for the pain that you are going through.
 

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"Ink fades, paper burns, words soon forgotten, but what is written in the soul, echoes in eternity."

Roy,words from the deepest part of the soul.

Thanks and so sorry for the pain that you are going through.

Thank you hunny, and I can be very deep sometimes, somewhere in the party thread is a link to a poem I wrote around 12 years ago, that is me at my deepest lol, you don`t go through life after suffering seven near death experiences along the way, without it having some sort of affect on your subconscious ;).
 

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Until i`m in the right frame of mind, and add more stuff, some food for thought, what kind of society would see JFK, Martin Luther King, The Dalai Lama, John Lennon, Lady Diana, Rachel Corrie, Nelson Mandela, Lech Walesa, Malcolm X, and so many more, as a threat, when all they advocated, was world peace, an end to racial segregation, and solidarity?.





The video seems to have been blocked or removed, although the information tab still works. Add this to your new world order theories.

Too late too, this matter was covered in one of those probing TV documentaries that the government sometimes shuts down with court orders. It was either Panorama or Dispatches, and it only served to make the Israelis look bad. If Israel keep this up, they will find non-Muslims supporting the Palestinian cause too.
 
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The video seems to have been blocked or removed, although the information tab still works. Add this to your new world order theories.

Too late too, this matter was covered in one of those probing TV documentaries that the government sometimes shuts down with court orders. It was either Panorama or Dispatches, and it only served to make the Israelis look bad. If Israel keep this up, they will find non-Muslims supporting the Palestinian cause too.

Thanks for letting me know Brian, there will be other videos on youtube depicting this matter.

Ofc videos like this are a huge embarrassment for TPTB as they clearly show Muslim people for how they really are and not the crazy terrorists they want the world to believe they are, they want peace, like the rest of us.

It appears to me that the days of investigative journalism and in-depth documentaries are long gone, and with it the many world wide agencies that would probe cases of in-humanitarian acts, where are Amnesty International, Oxfam, UNICEF, the Red Cross, the NSPCC etcetera, and more importantly why are the MSM not reporting on these breeches of the Geneva Convention?......

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This fucking sickens me to the core.

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That link still works for me.
 

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roy if you don,t mind i,m reposting some of the things you had in your post.

sorrie about your dad.
 

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I am not so sure about a single group being behind everything. It seems more like different groups of the rich and powerful getting together to influence individual governments, even key ministers and MPs. As they all have a common goal, fattening their own wallets and gaining power and influence, it can appear that all these groups act as one.

There is plenty of evidence for smaller groups of the rich and powerful influencing the path governments take, and it is common knowledge that MPs who "behave" when in office will land well paid "jobs" when their term ends, or they get kicked out by the voters. MPs who do what they are supposed to though, find it much harder to land on their feet when they leave office, and the powerful people they prod will resort to some dirty tricks to fool the voters into getting rid of them. MPs themselves get sucked in, and the recent expenses scandal revealed that an attitude that if there wasn't a law against it, it was OK, pervaded MP culture. This is the same principle that big companies use when finding new ways to rip off customers, yet the MPs are STILL buying into the idea that self regulation is good enough to control this, and big companies panic at the idea that MPs will pass formal regulations, rather than endorse self regulation.

Just look at how the big telecoms companies made a complete ass of OFCOM during the investigation of 0870 call charges, you could see it coming a mile off as they negotiated concessions that were then ruthlessly exploited as the loopholes they were always intended to be. It shows that those at OFCOM were either incredibly stupid, or being bribed or influenced by the companies they were supposed to be regulating. Bankers and Energy companies act the same, even the water companies are at it (Severn Trent even got done for fraud for giving fake figures to OFWAT to be granted a higher price increase). These are all separate groups, but their interests are the same - fatten their wallets and screw the customers.

When it comes to war, it is the arms and building sectors that benefit, one after the other. Fortunes were to be made in Iraq. Arms companies made the bombs, then the oil and building companies started bidding for the rebuilding contracts. These were all US companies, and intended to be entrenched before Iraq could build up local expertise. This means that the US companies will make the profits, with very little staying in a post war Iraq, who's people will remain poor for some time after peace is established. The instability this causes will of course keep the arms and security companies in work.
 

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I am not so sure about a single group being behind everything. It seems more like different groups of the rich and powerful getting together to influence individual governments, even key ministers and MPs. As they all have a common goal, fattening their own wallets and gaining power and influence, it can appear that all these groups act as one.

There is plenty of evidence for smaller groups of the rich and powerful influencing the path governments take, and it is common knowledge that MPs who "behave" when in office will land well paid "jobs" when their term ends, or they get kicked out by the voters. MPs who do what they are supposed to though, find it much harder to land on their feet when they leave office, and the powerful people they prod will resort to some dirty tricks to fool the voters into getting rid of them. MPs themselves get sucked in, and the recent expenses scandal revealed that an attitude that if there wasn't a law against it, it was OK, pervaded MP culture. This is the same principle that big companies use when finding new ways to rip off customers, yet the MPs are STILL buying into the idea that self regulation is good enough to control this, and big companies panic at the idea that MPs will pass formal regulations, rather than endorse self regulation.

Just look at how the big telecoms companies made a complete ass of OFCOM during the investigation of 0870 call charges, you could see it coming a mile off as they negotiated concessions that were then ruthlessly exploited as the loopholes they were always intended to be. It shows that those at OFCOM were either incredibly stupid, or being bribed or influenced by the companies they were supposed to be regulating. Bankers and Energy companies act the same, even the water companies are at it (Severn Trent even got done for fraud for giving fake figures to OFWAT to be granted a higher price increase). These are all separate groups, but their interests are the same - fatten their wallets and screw the customers.

When it comes to war, it is the arms and building sectors that benefit, one after the other. Fortunes were to be made in Iraq. Arms companies made the bombs, then the oil and building companies started bidding for the rebuilding contracts. These were all US companies, and intended to be entrenched before Iraq could build up local expertise. This means that the US companies will make the profits, with very little staying in a post war Iraq, who's people will remain poor for some time after peace is established. The instability this causes will of course keep the arms and security companies in work.

The way I see it - No leader of any country would put his whole country`s lives at stake unless it was the only viable action to take, a brief breakdown of WWII.....

1). Germany invades Poland, Churchill declares war against Germany knowing damn well if this wasn`t a pre-planned event they would have decimated us.

2). Hitler`s next course of action beggar`s belief, instead of invading us and nipping our intervention in the bud, he decides the next best course of action is to declare war against Russia and in doing so starts the mind boggling stretching of his forces.

3). Japan for some bizarre reason joins in, a country made up of a few islands in the Pacific Ocean somehow feels threatened, a perfect target to test the world`s 1st atomic bombs don`t you think?, all America needs is a reason to use them, and boom, their status as the most powerful country in the world is in the bag.

4). Japan stick to the plan perfectly as they set forth on a surprise attack against the Americans at Pearl harbour, even though the Americans are forewarned of this incoming fleet by both Australian and British intelligence forces, they decide the best option is to completely ignore this and basically sign the death warrants of thousands of unsuspecting military personnel sunbathing, the other kicker here is - at this time America was not at war against Japan, however, we were, why didn`t the allied forces attack the fleet instead of standing off and letting them butcher all those men?.

5). Hitler`s Holocaust is in full swing ensuring the whole world loathes him as his barbaric treatment of the Jews starts to filter out, such is his hatred of the Jews there are many Jewish Nazi`s and several are officers in his Gestapo:confused:.

6). Over in Russia, Stalin is doing his bit for depopulation by committing genocide to the tune of around 25 million of his own people.

7). Back in America the tills are ringing nicely, as Bush Sr and Rockefeller ensure the cash needed to fund both the Bush`s political dynasty and the Rockefeller`s banking domination will be easily met, courtesy of selling arms and munitions to both the Germans and the allied forces.

8), Word is also breaking out of the horrendous conditions that the British POW (both male and female) are being subjected to.

9). Hitler`s troops are now so spread around the world his officers are beginning to think he has gone completely mad, and start to question his real motives, after the war these officers will have many stories to tell.

10). Even though the British Air Force is completely outnumbered by the Luftwaffe, we once again defy all odds and fight them off.

11). The world gasps in awe as the outrageous cowardly attack on Pearl Harbour spreads.

12). America takes charge of the Allied landings and begins the onslaught with night time bombing raids of the coastal defences around Normandy, thus ensuring the safety of the Engineers whom will be landing 1st to clear the beaches etcetera, in preparation for the allied invasion.

13). The 1st units arrive at their designated beaches expecting some resistance, they are absolutely decimated as it soon becomes apparent that the Germans are at full strength and barely scratched, the bombing raids had somehow managed to miss the entire coastal defences and dropped most of their bombs around 20 miles inland, and easy mistake to make, as it`s almost impossible to notice when sea becomes land, as water is wet and a fluid, and land is, in this case - sand.

14). America feel now is the time to unleash the real reason and cause for WWII on the unsuspecting islands of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

15). Japan duly surrender.

16). Secret services once again are prevented to take Hitler out via a sniper.

17). Hitler commits suicide but his body is never found.

18). Before his officers have time to express their findings regarding Hitler`s erratic decisions, they are all executed for war crimes, bar a few that end up spending several years in Spandau prison, and the elite scientists that are taken back to America.

19). British POW are liberated by the Americans and on their return journey are made to sign the official secrets act regarding their ill treatment by the Japanese guards, because tainting the reputation of Japan would jeopardise future trading amongst them and other countries.

20). No Japanese soldiers were tried for war crimes, other than Tojo and six officers, after being found guilty by a one man prosecutor, unlike the Nuremburg trials where there were 4, the prosecutor was American Joseph B. Keenan, a former assistant to the U.S. attorney.

21). Neither was Stalin.

22). Behind closed doors, the profits were shared between the participating countries leaders, as the real world started to pay the price, the cash needed to buy the presidency, and every other world leadership is in the bag, the depopulation figures were well above the target, thanks to the ethnic cleansing services put in by both Stalin and Hitler, a special thanks to Emperor Hirohito also, for offering the services of his country as test site for the Atomic bombs, and in doing so, contributed nicely to the depopulation target.
 

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International bankers and WWII


The Treaty of Versailles, signed at the end of WWI, was designed to rip off Germany, to further consolidate the control of international bankers over USA and Europe, and to lay the basis of the next world war so that the agenda of establishment of a one world government could be carried further. The League of Nations was set up after WWI and the UN was set up after WWII. The UN building was a “gift” from the Rockefeller`s! Supranational bodies, like the UN, IMF, etc, will eventually become the basis of one world government by gradually encroaching over national autonomy. The national governments will gradually be rendered powerless and impotent. WWI had added incredible sums to the coffers of the international bankers, who began setting up privately controlled central banks on the pattern of the Bank of England and the US Federal Reserve. Rothschild had once said: “Give me control over a nation’s money and I care not who makes its laws.”

Taking over the central banks of nations has been one of the most crucial elements in the strategy of international bankers over the past two centuries to bring about a New World Order. In his book, Pawns in the Game, Guy Carr wrote: “Since the great war, the international bankers had set up 26 central banks.” As WWI had been successfully managed with unprecedented profits and unprecedented control of the elite over nations, the next world war would lead much further to the goal of one world government.

To bring about the next world war both Soviet Russia and Germany were developed by the banking elite and then a clash brought about between them. The British government, which has been under the control of the bankers after Waterloo, which made Rothschild the undisputed master of English money line, always does their bidding. The US had come under deeper and enduring control of the bankers because of the privately owned Federal Reserve and WWI, which was to be used to bring about the desired result.

In his ground-breaking books, Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, and Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, Anthony Sutton has completely exposed the heinous intrigues being enacted remorselessly and ceaselessly by the hidden elite. Sutton’s works are among the works of many highly distinguished authors in the West, particularly USA, which, while exposing the repugnant and absolutely inhuman effort of the elite to control human life and to destroy it whenever needed, have been assiduously ignored by the mainstream publishers as well as the mainstream media. The media and the publishers are controlled by the elite and work entirely for the promotion and protection of its interests. Hollywood too is part of creating a mental matrix of deception designed to be-fool and mesmerise mankind and lead it to complete subjugation by the elite.

Germany was rearmed with the deep and concealed assistance of the Wall Street and its controllers, some of whom resided, and still reside, outside the US. To quote Sutton: “The contribution made by American capitalism to German war preparations before 1940 can only be described as phenomenal. It was certainly crucial to German military capabilities.” It has been remarked that without the chemical giant I.G. Farben, there would be no WWII. The giant chemical industry, which sustained German war effort, was set up in 1926 with money from Wall Street bankers. The German I.G. Farben had Max Warburg as its Director and its American Director was his brother Paul Warburg, the hidden author of the Federal Reserve Act.


Further evidence is found in a report of a Senate Subcommittee on War Mobilisation and Military Affairs (Kilgore Committee): “The Germans were brought to Detroit to learn the techniques of specialised production of components, and of straight-line assembly…….The techniques learned in Detroit were eventually used to construct dive-bombing Stukka`s.” Sutton writes: “According to Hitler’s financial genie, Hjalmar Horace Greeley Schacht and Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, it was the 1928 Young Plan, formulated by Morgan agent Owen D. Young, that brought Hitler to power in 1933.”

That the international bankers built the Soviet Union is established by documented records. The Bolshevik Revolution not only destroyed the Czar, it created a monopoly in Soviet business controlled by the international bankers. Lenin and Trotsky were both agents of the bankers, as has been established by several authors. Marx was also financed by Wall Street! All Soviet business went to the world’s wealthiest families, most of whom were unwelcome in Czarist Russia.
However, as written by Guy Carr: “Hitler antagonised the international bankers when he announced his financial policy……. The German Reich abrogated the clause in the Constitution, which made Dr Hans Luther, the President of Reichsbank, a permanent fixture. Until the change was made, the President of Reichsbank could not be removed without his own consent and a majority vote of the Board of the Bank of International settlements.”

The entry of the US in WWII was pre-planned and was made possible by the manipulated Pearl Harbour attack, which aroused the indignation of the US public. That the entire attack was the result of pre-planned provocation has been exposed irrefutably and with absolute clarity on the basis of the documents uncovered by Robert Stinnett under the Freedom of Information Act. The war was prolonged by various tactics and the allied forces allowed the Russians to capture East Europe deliberately. Thus, the two new powers that emerged were the Soviet Union and USA, both under the control of international bankers. The basis of a new managed conflict, the so-called cold war between capitalism and communism was laid by the banking cabal.

In WWII, the fatalities are estimated to be between 62 to 78 million, 10 times the number killed during WWI. According to a writer, over 2.5 percent of the human population of the planet was killed. When Churchill learned of the brutal allied bombing on Rotterdam he remarked: “Unrestricted submarine warfare, unrestricted air bombing - this is total war……. Time and Ocean and some guiding star and High Cabal have made us what we are.” The High Cabal is the perpetual hidden and lethal enemy of mankind.
 

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Okay, where were we?, ah yes, central banking, depopulation, the need of armed forces, and ofc - reasons why we need to spend over 50% of the entire national budgets on the military. In days long gone by the enemy at the door was neither religion based nor an enemy whose form of attack was based on stealth and surprise - The Terrorist, creating a religious based war against fellow Christians would not have worked and got the public backing that all wars need, instead, the early wars were started by Christians with different social ethics and ideals - Communists and Fascists, this worked perfectly for both WW1-WWII, even though WWI was initiated by a false flag event (more on those later).

The main reason many people do not believe in secret societies and their objectives is "But how would a few people have such control over the armed forces, the Main Stream Media (MSM), and constantly pull the wool over the general public eyes?", I will cover all these reasons as this thread matures, although all three aspects are easily answered.......

1). The military`s key objectives are to serve, protect, and obey, these are the people I really feel for, along with 1st responders, like the 300+ firemen, policemen, 1st aiders that were murdered by their own government in New York 11/09/2001, even though this false flag event is part and parcel of the bigger picture I will refrain as best I can from using it in this thread.

I have covered some aspects of it in my symbolism thread, if people still have doubts I can very easily add at least another 20-30 pages of irrefutable evidence backed up by scientific/physics/experts in the field/videos/eye witness testimonies/ 1st hand accounts from airline pilots with over 5000 hours experience explicitly detailing why it was impossible for all 4 of those planes that day, to have done what they done, this angle is also covered by licensed structural engineers/architects and ex serviceman including those that have worked in the fields of espionage and counter terrorist units, the evidence is overwhelming, I could quite easily supply around 100 pages of evidence proving beyond reasonable doubt it did not happen that way, all I ask in return is at least one page of evidence supporting the official story, i`m still waiting. Anyhow, back to the plot.

People join the armed forces for the 3 main reasons I gave above, they do not join to murder innocent people because their Presidents/Prime ministers tell them to (even though some of the videos I have posted prove otherwise - disturbing), so, the answer here is simple, have units prepared to do the dirty work for you that ask no questions, it`s all about the chain of command, follow this chain to right up to the top, where does it end?.

The military also has backing from the more sinister and fear inducing secret services (alphabet agencies), these have the add-on affect of silencing those who question the TPTB (The Powers That Be) or, more importantly could expose certain aspects if cases go to trial
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So, in the nutshell - You do not need to brainwash the servicemen to do your dirty work, just send the orders down the CoC that we are at war, it`s time to go to work.

2). Controlling the MSM and thus having the best propaganda tool out there as far as painting a completely different picture goes, this aspect has the added bonus of 3 other ways to fool the public - History Channels, Hollywood, Newspapers, there are only 5 ways to have known how something happened - Observe it 1st hand, see it on the news, read about it in the papers, for older events - Watch a documentary about it on the History channel, or a blockbuster movie about it, governments own a vast majority of news channels including the largest gatherer of world news in the world - The B.B.C. (go to youtube and type in B.B.C. broadcasts collapse of WTC7 20 minutes before it collapses) Although it is state owned, however, the BBC Trust run it on their behalf to guarantee its impartiality.

It`s a well known fact that the hierarchy of the Illuminati are high ranking Zionist Jews, how many Hollywood film producers are of Jewish decent?, not all Hollywood producers are in the Illuminati, all the films that show Illuminati based symbolism from the last 20 years or so, show a sign of being related to 9/11.

Governments in general portray a completely different picture of what is going on in the world, to what is actually going on, no film depicted this better than The Matrix, i`m not saying that we all live in a computer generated Matrix and have sockets built in to us, but to look deeper into the film for it`s true hidden meaning, (how many of you have read George Orwell`s Animal Farm?, a book detailing life on a farm through the eyes of animals, it`s true meaning is based on Communism), anyhow, back to the film The Matrix, let`s see if we can find some Illuminati-9/11 related symbolism in it.......


I will also leave to you some simple research, see if you can find a link to a huge world wide MSM company that also owns other channels related to what I have stated above, and the man behind it.

3). This aspect I will be covering in-depth in my next post which entails a huge amount of videos, pictures, news events etcetera.

I will finish off this post with more on false flag events, if, we had a true enemy there would be no reason to create fake events that lead to war, would there?

Irrefutable and of as yet technically proven to be true, but evidence wise, substantially proven beyond reasonable doubt to be true False Flag Events......

The leaders of smaller and less industrialised nations are not madmen (whatever the media claims). They also are generally better informed than their citizens. In a war an attacker does not need equal forces compared to the enemy. The attacker needs a 5-fold local superiority, or better. No one begins wars without very definite objectives and a quick victory in sight. If a war with more even military balance erupts, someone has been mislead and walked into a trap (usually arranged by third party).

1605 - The infamous Guy Fawkes plot to blow up the English Parliament. Actually an institutional false flag plot used as a pretext for war with Spain. Official history still repeats this deception.

After the American war of Independence (1776-1779), and an English challenge to that independence (1812-1814) no single nation has planned an offensive war against the USA. It is probable that a strong coalition of Anglo-French-led European nations planned to split the USA into two states through diplomatic recognition of the Confederate states possibly followed up by naval blockade embargoing the Union. At that time the British Empire was the strongest naval power, and the French the second strongest. The events led, however, into the Civil War (1860-1865) and due to the Russian intervention 1863 (1863) on the Union's side, those European plans were quietly abandoned.

Mexican wars 1819, 1846-48: Long series of operations, commencing with the annexation of Florida (1819) and followed by a declaration of independence of Texas from Mexico (1836). Provocative troop movements near the U.S. southern border caused an incident which led to war. (It is said the US built a fortification 150 km inside the Mexican border.) The annexation of Texas by the USA and the conquest of California, New Mexico, and nearby territories followed. Mexico had a weak government at that time, because after Napoleon conquered Spain (1809) their former colonies soon revolted. Mexico had been a colony of the Spanish kingdom but now they revolted and formed a republic. There were a series of revolts, not just one.

Spanish-American war, 1898: The surprise explosion of the battleship Maine at Havana, Cuba. 255 of the crew died. The Hearst press accused the Spanish, claiming that the explosion was caused by a remote-controlled mine. The USA declared war on Spain, and conquered Philippines, Guam and Cuba. Subsequent investigations revealed that the explosion originated inside the Maine and that it was either an accident, such as a coal explosion, or some type of time bomb inside the battleship. Divers investigating the shipwreck found that the armour plates of the ship were blown bending outwards, not inwards.

1933 - The Reichstag Fire allows the Nazis to crack down on their opposition and take power. A naked cowering Dutch communist, Martin Van der Lubbe, is found on the scene and the Nazis immediately claim that the fire is a communist plot.

“The exact sequence of events will never be known, but Nazi storm troopers under the direction of Hermann Göring were also involved in torching the place. They had befriended the arsonist and may have known or even encouraged him to burn the Reichstag that night. The storm troopers, led by SA leader Karl Ernst, used the underground tunnel that connected Göring’s residence with the cellar in the Reichstag. They entered the building, scattered gasoline and incendiaries, then hurried back through the tunnel.”


World War I, 1914-1918: A U-boat torpedo hit ocean liner Lusitania near Britain and some 1200 people, including 128 Americans, on board lost their lives. Subsequent investigations revealed that the major explosions were inside the Lusitania, as it was secretly transporting 6 million pounds of artillery shells and rifle ammunition, as well as other explosives on behalf of Morgan banking corporation to help their clients, the Britain and the France. It was against US laws to transport war materials and passengers in the same ship.

World War 2, 1939-1945: A U-boat torpedo hit the ocean liner Athena near Britain with some 1100 passengers, of which 311 were Americans. The sea was calm and only 118 people on board lost their lives. The ship was sunk because it behaved like a military transport, blackened out and zigzagging. This incident wasn't enough to precipitate war, and the Germans also refused to be provoked by several American acts of war. Americans confiscated German merchant ships, and Americans started to support the British with various lend-lease items, US volunteer pilots joined the RAF and some RAF pilots were trained in the US, US gave the British 50 old but usable WW1 destroyers and 20 modern torpedo boats, tanks, light bombers, fighter aircraft like P-40s and so on. American destroyers also escorted the convoys bound to Britain, and attacked German U-boats even far away from those convoys. The US did not maintain a neutral stance attitude towards the warring nations.

The US naval intelligence, chief of Japan desk planned and suggested "8 insults", which should bring Japan into war with the US. President Roosevelt executed this plan immediately and also added some other insults, enraging the Japan. The most serious one was a total blockade of Japanese oil imports, as agreed between the Americans, British and the Dutch. FDR also declared an all-out embargo against the Japan and forbade them the use of Panama canal, impeding Japan's access to Venezuelan oil.

The Flying Tigers volunteer air group successfully fighting the Japanese in China with some 90 fairly modern P-40Bs was another effective provocation that is not generally acknowledged by historical accounts of World War 2, most of which fail to mention any air combat action prior to 7th December 1941. But at that time the Japanese had already had lost about 100 military aircraft, mostly bombers, to the Tigers. After Pearl Harbour these squadrons were some of the the hardest-hitting ones in the US service.

The attack on Pearl Harbour followed some 6 months later. Having broken the Japanese encryption codes, the Americans knew what was going to happen, when and where, but the president did not dispatch this information to Pearl Harbor. Americans even gave their friends the British 3 Magic decrypting machines which automatically opened encrypted Japanese military traffic. But this same information was not available to the commanders of Hawaii. The movement of the fleet was also visible in the very effective radio direction finding network. Japan had an alliance with Germany, and the Germans upheld their promises by declaring the war against the USA right after the Japanese declaration.

Two scapegoats, the navy commander Admiral Husband Kimmel, and the army commander Lt. General Walter Short were found incompetent and demoted as they were allowed to retire. Short died 1949 and Kimmel 1958. In 1995, the US Congress re-examined this decision and endorsed it. Then in 2000 some archive information came to light and the US Senate passed a resolution stating that both had served in Hawaii "competently and professionally". In 1941 they were denied vital information, and even on presidential orders purposefully mislead into believing that the Japanese feet could be expected from the south west. These commanders have yet to be rehabilitated by the Pentagon.


After World War II, Operation Gladio was a “stay behind” operation by NATO, CIA, and MI6 to counter communist/leftist influence in Europe. These state-sponsored “secret armies” used false flag terrorism.

Korean War, 1950-1953: South Korean incursions (the Tiger regiment etc.) into North Korea (1949) led to contrary claims and into war. The cause of this war probably was covert action involving leaders of Taiwan, South Korea and the US military-industrial complex (John Foster Dulles has been mentioned as an organizer of the hostilities.) After the unpublished hostilities in 1949, the communist powers were strongly backing North Korea.

Chiang Kai Sek was being abandoned, isolated and falling prey to the powerful communist Chinese operations. The right-wing South Korean ruler was expected to loose the soon-to-be-elections. The American military-industrial complex went into high gear again, and huge government orders for equipment were flowing in.

The American-led UN forces had difficult times early in the war, but after sufficient forces arrived they advanced victoriously and penetrated deep into the North Korea. The strong Chino-Russian intervention into the war once again turned the tides, the Chinese with vast armies on ground, and the Soviets less visibly with large numbers of aircraft, nearly costing the UN forces the war.

Finally the front stabilised along the original 38th parallel armistice line. The war resulted in the death of 3 million Korean Chinese and the destruction of virtually all of the Korean cities, and left Taiwan in strong American protection and South Korea firmly in the hands of the right-wing president Syngman Rhee. Some 55,000 Americans lost their lives.

1954 - The Lavon Affair, a “scandal over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Suzannah, in which U.S. and U.K. targets in Egypt were bombed and evidence left implicating the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood; a textbook example of a false flag operation.”

Vietnam War: "The Tonkin incident", where American destroyer Maddox was supposedly attacked twice by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats in 1964 in the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. What was happening at the time were aggressive South Vietnamese raids against the North in the same general area. Huge American presence wasn't decisive and President Nixon negotiated a "peace with honour" in 1973. This war was lost, when North Vietnam finally conquered South Vietnam in 1975.

Grenada invasion: The Grenadian leader, Maurice Bishop, favouring the left and having invited Cubans to help build the infrastructure including by extending the airport to accommodate long range Soviet aircraft, was deposed and executed in October 19, 1983. Six days later the US invaded, with the proffered reason that the American medical students studying in the Grenada were in danger due the Cuban presence. The new leader supported by the US favoured more traditional values and the right.

War on Drugs: The war was launched by Richard M Nixon sometime around June 17,1971. The drug problem was found bad within the army in Viet Nam around 1968 prompting action was required towards the end of the war. Nowadays it is estimated that the military will never win the War on Drugs. The street prices of illicit drugs did not change significantly in the USA despite the military action in foreign drug-producing countries. The Colombian experience, with local military supported by the US, has shown that peace is more important than war against drugs. The Colombians have successfully negotiated some 1000s of guerilla fighters back into the society and out of jungle.

This "war" actually seems to be a pretext for military invasions into less developed countries, where covert "bad" drug lords on behalf of western intelligence services are producing drugs into US and first world markets. This operation produces huge incomes, generating black budget money for those intelligence services managing the global drug operations.

Panama invasion: The incident between American and Panamanian troops led to invasion. The leader Noriega was changed and the earlier Carter administration plan to hand control of the canal over to Panama was cancelled. The strategic importance of the canal has surpassed any more just thinking in the US global domination policy.

US-Israeli sponsored war between Iraq and Iran, 1980-1988: The US has built power bases in the Middle East in Iran starting with the CIA-organised coup 1953, where Iranian prime minister Mossadeq was replaced with the Shah of Iran Reza Pahlavi and he by his son Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Iran was equipped with the best western military equipment, including the American F-14 fighters with Phoenix missiles and the British Chieftain MBTs. Unfortunately there was in 1979 a coup of ayatollah Khomeini replacing the Shah and founding an Islamite nation.

After this, the US warmed up relations with their good Iraqi friend Saddam Hussein, and started to build a nation capable of challenging the Iran. Iraq acquired large numbers of effective weapons including factories able to produce older versions of gas warfare agents. These would later be called WMD`s, which of course they were not, being the WW1-vintage weapons.

The war broke out and was fought to exhaustion because third-party powers, especially Israel, were carefully monitoring the power balance supplying more weapons to the side which seemed to be loosing. "Too bad they both cannot loose" is how Kissinger evaluated this situation.

Desert Storm (First Gulf war), 1991): Hussein asked for permission from the US (via their ambassador April Gillespie) and got an answer that the US does not care Arab quarrels. That was a trap, and after Saddam occupied Kuwait, George Bush Sr. mobilised a coalition of some 40 nations to "liberate Kuwait" and to smash the recently-built Iraqi military power base. This also involved a media hoax, where the daughter of Kuwaiti US ambassador played nurse on TV and testified to "witnessing" Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait.

War on Terror: The war was launched by Bush administration October 2001. The war was claimed to be the response on terrorism, especially the 9-11 incidents. Most of the people in the world today know that these reasons are false and that those events were based on MIH type (make it happen) inside job.

Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan invasion), 7.10.2001-: Without any evidence, the former CIA-asset, a Saudi-Arabian Osama bin Laden was claimed to be the mastermind behind the 9/11 strikes at the WTC and the Pentagon. Such a complex operation, if actually executed which it was not, in this case would be much beyond the capabilities of anything in Afghanistan. Only some top ten intelligence services in the world could hope to be successful in such an operation involving forgery, infiltration, living "underground" in a foreign non-Muslim country, coordination of moves, illegal arms, hi-quality flight training, accurate aircraft navigation in no-visibility conditions and so on. Perhaps even less, because the friends of the US (at that time, still most of the world) would also have been interested in stopping the attack.

Enduring Justice (Second Gulf war), 20.3.2003-: later known with less irony as Operation Iraqi Freedom The claimed reason of the attack was that Iraq was a clear and present danger to the US with wmd's available within less than an hour after the decision to assemble them has been made. Since no wmd's were found, and after the Iraqi also scrapped some 800 long range Scud style missiles before the US coalition attack, the reason for the invasion was changed into "bringing the democracy into Iraq".


Well, that`s it for today :).
 
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Seventh, may your father have peace and comfort during this difficult time.


I'm convinced you're either Ron Paul or former member RobWin :p As you may know there have been threads here before regarding 9/11 CT's. Not to waste your time but.....NatGeo Channel among others have conducted exhaustive research on 9/11 CT's and havn't find an ounce of truth to any of it (although the molten metal/Newton's 3rd Law arguments are compelling).

For those of us that are trying to follow your logic and want to check your sources, could you give credit to the original author when you post? Or did I miss it? Most of your first post was posted on Ron Paul's site years ago.

Thanks,
Bryan
 
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