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A good point by paul joseph watson [and before anyone jumps to conclusions I don't follow his tweets or alex jones]

The same people who hyperventilated like the world was going to end if we went outside have suddenly dropped that concern since the riots began.

I don't think anyone can disagree, imo that is 100% correct, and shows just how malleable their viewpoints are to group think. One man's unfortunate horrible death has suddenly trumped the concerns about social distancing and protecting the thousands of vulnerable against the covid 19 virus.
 
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They were classed based universal issues, going back probably 100 years with forms of social security, then the NHS [which is now a shambles, compared to when it started, under successive progressive administrations and a liberal thinking civil service at the top].

If I had the will I could probably find several interviews of liberals going too far, it's a whole industry now, it's taken over the labour party in the uk and the democrats in the US, identity politics on steroids is the name of the game. Getting people worked up and wanting to attack, like antifa, talk about the idiocracy.

Tucker Carlson: Media Elites Use Race To Distract You From The Real Divide

Keep in mind, Donald Trump got a higher percentage of the Hispanic vote than Mitt Romney did. It turns out that not all Latinos believe in open borders. A lot of them agree with Donald Trump. And yet the left is now telling you — and demanding that you believe — that anyone who supports Donald Trump is a white supremacist, and must be destroyed. They’re telling you that for political reasons. This is election season and they want more political power. But there are other reasons too.

Ever wonder why rich people seem the most hysterical on the subject? Ever notice that it’s the highest paid people on TV who are the most determined to convince you that white supremacy is America’s biggest problem? Why is that? Simple: every minute that you’re angry about race is a minute you’re not thinking about class, which of course is the real divide in this country. Working class people of all colors have a lot more in common with each other than they do with some overpaid MSNBC anchor. If you were allowed to think about that for long enough, you might start to get unauthorized ideas about economics.

That would be disruptive to a very lucrative status quo. So they whip you into a frenzy of racial fear so that it never enters your mind. It’s a diversion. Everyone else hates each other. They get to keep their money. Pretty tricky. Unfortunately, it’s destroying the country. For real. This is the path to civil war.

[aug 2019]

If the real divide is class then that's just another reason to kick every single republican out of office. They really love helping rich people. Republicans don't have any solutions to anything...income inequality, healthcare, gun violence, climate change, student loans etc. Current republican party is completely useless and have helped to create the divide in the US to those that have and to those that have not.

And your elitist overpaid Fox anchor is just one of those rich people who don't offer any solutions.
 
If the real divide is class then that's just another reason to kick every single republican out of office. They really love helping rich people. Republicans don't have any solutions to anything...income inequality, healthcare, gun violence, climate change, student loans etc. Current republican party is completely useless and have helped to create the divide in the US to those that have and to those that have not.

And your elitist overpaid Fox anchor is just one of those rich people who don't offer any solutions.

well if you ever watch tucker, he does criticise the republicans. I think he used to work on nbc or cnn, when they were a bit more moderate and interested in a broad range of topics. maybe when trump has gone those channels will become a bit more normal again, he's triggering them and they feel they need to influence the public to vote him out.

All those topics I agree to some degree, I'm more interested in pollution which doesn't seem to get mentioned much these days, it's all climate change. apparently we're entering a period of 'solar minimum' now, which could also affect temps for a bit.

I really don't know what is going to happen in the US, these riots could help trump in the election, democrats are associated with lawlessness, how many of these rioters were conservative voters, none I would think. But it's only really the electoral college that is saving the US from a single party state, the dems being in power forever. The majority of the population are democrats and it's likely to carry on getting larger :eek:
 
well if you ever watch tucker, he does criticise the republicans. I think he used to work on nbc or cnn, when they were a bit more moderate and interested in a broad range of topics. maybe when trump has gone those channels will become a bit more normal again, he's triggering them and they feel they need to influence the public to vote him out.

All those topics I agree to some degree, I'm more interested in pollution which doesn't seem to get mentioned much these days, it's all climate change. apparently we're entering a period of 'solar minimum' now, which could also affect temps for a bit.

I really don't know what is going to happen in the US, these riots could help trump in the election, democrats are associated with lawlessness, how many of these rioters were conservative voters, none I would think. But it's only really the electoral college that is saving the US from a single party state, the dems being in power forever. The majority of the population are democrats and it's likely to carry on getting larger :eek:

Then you might be interested in all the regulations that Trump has cut. I'm pretty sure there are many that let factories to pollute much more than they used to. Plus of course advocating for coal instead of renewables. if you have democrats in power...then you'll be better off in every aspect about! Or what you think republicans can do better?
 
"ladyhawke was mentioning mental strength coping with racism. So a black man goes for a job and doesn't get it, the liberals have brainwashed him to instantly believe that he would have got it were it not for his skin colour, when that may not have been the case, of course he's going to get depressed and angry then because he feels he's had an injustice. So liberals have made things worse creating and then focusing on this obsession. That's my opinion, they've done more psychological and real harm than good."

Really, Mack? Well, here's another example of black people not getting what they should: the right to rent or even buy or build a house - due to racial covenants in Minneapolis, for instance, to keep "undesirable elements" out of certain neighbourhoods.

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, this started at the beginning of the 20th century but continues to this day.
 
They were classed based universal issues, going back probably 100 years with forms of social security, then the NHS [which is now a shambles, compared to when it started, under successive progressive administrations and a liberal thinking civil service at the top].

If I had the will I could probably find several interviews of liberals going too far, it's a whole industry now, it's taken over the labour party in the uk and the democrats in the US, identity politics on steroids is the name of the game. Getting people worked up and wanting to attack, like antifa, talk about the idiocracy.

Tucker Carlson: Media Elites Use Race To Distract You From The Real Divide

Keep in mind, Donald Trump got a higher percentage of the Hispanic vote than Mitt Romney did. It turns out that not all Latinos believe in open borders. A lot of them agree with Donald Trump. And yet the left is now telling you — and demanding that you believe — that anyone who supports Donald Trump is a white supremacist, and must be destroyed. They’re telling you that for political reasons. This is election season and they want more political power. But there are other reasons too.

Ever wonder why rich people seem the most hysterical on the subject? Ever notice that it’s the highest paid people on TV who are the most determined to convince you that white supremacy is America’s biggest problem? Why is that? Simple: every minute that you’re angry about race is a minute you’re not thinking about class, which of course is the real divide in this country. Working class people of all colors have a lot more in common with each other than they do with some overpaid MSNBC anchor. If you were allowed to think about that for long enough, you might start to get unauthorized ideas about economics.

That would be disruptive to a very lucrative status quo. So they whip you into a frenzy of racial fear so that it never enters your mind. It’s a diversion. Everyone else hates each other. They get to keep their money. Pretty tricky. Unfortunately, it’s destroying the country. For real. This is the path to civil war.

[aug 2019]

Mack, I will take a break from responding to your posts because your fawning at the right-wing nuttery has become literally unbearable.

No matter how accurate someone shows you something, your answer is always along the lines....maybe he didn't know, I am sure he wouldn't just lie, but the liberals, but the MSM but... but... but... but.. but... but... but... and other nonsense that has no basis in truth or logic thinking whatsoever.
 
Then you might be interested in all the regulations that Trump has cut. I'm pretty sure there are many that let factories to pollute much more than they used to. Plus of course advocating for coal instead of renewables. if you have democrats in power...then you'll be better off in every aspect about! Or what you think republicans can do better?

no I'm all for criticising trump if he is putting short term profit in front of damaging the planet, the fracking obsession he had seemed to be stupid, I doubt he'd want one of his golf courses blighted by that. but saying that wind energy does have it's problems, affects the bird life, and other things. maybe we can make our devices even more energy efficient, that would be good. The thing is if the democrats are focused on mainly one thing which is to some extent never 'solvable', they are never going to have time to resolve issues that maybe are more practical and measurable.

I dunno I've posted far too much in the last 24 hrs, but bearing in mind I'm replying to about 5 or 6 members here so it looks like I'm spamming my opinions but I don't wish to do that.
 
"ladyhawke was mentioning mental strength coping with racism. So a black man goes for a job and doesn't get it, the liberals have brainwashed him to instantly believe that he would have got it were it not for his skin colour, when that may not have been the case, of course he's going to get depressed and angry then because he feels he's had an injustice. So liberals have made things worse creating and then focusing on this obsession. That's my opinion, they've done more psychological and real harm than good."

Really, Mack? Well, here's another example of black people not getting what they should: the right to rent or even buy or build a house - due to racial covenants in Minneapolis, for instance, to keep "undesirable elements" out of certain neighbourhoods.

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, this started at the beginning of the 20th century but continues to this day.

I will read the article later on as I'm about to have dinner.

But is that not a democrat run area, minnesota/minneapolis? Surely race laws were abolished years ago.
Are you certain this 'undesirable elements' doesn't apply to white people too?

It's very complicated but some think it's simple, you just vote in someone like Obama and all problems will be solved.
 
Mack, why solely focus on crimes committed by black people? Don't forget the Mexicans, Columbians, Irish, Armenians, etc. etc. while you're at it.

I could find plenty of crime by all sorts, which I did say earlier, but that article came up in the comments under the riot stories on twitter I was reading last night. So I remembered it and it was in my history, and it was shocking. A crime is a crime, citizen crime is no less horrible to the person who suffered it.

People posted it on twitter last night, to probably show no national outrage occurred over it in comparison, years ago people used to get outraged at a murder being committed, now it is becoming so common place people shrug their shoulders or think it's just normal and something we have to put up with, nothing much to get worked up about. [ I saw a clip last night of joe biden saying some very strong things in 90's, about undesirables and crime, if I can find it on youtube I will post it ]

But a mean cop killing a suspect, lets tear down the whole country. I can't see why people cannot see a problem with the balance there, no interest in one [and it could be any colour, crime is no longer an issue politicians or the liberal media even want to pretend to address these days, it's just news] and obsession about the other, to the extent which it validates crimes like arson and looting.
 
There is a huge difference, Mack. The police are part of one of the executive branches of government, and they should uphold the highest of standards to ensure a fair and safe society for all citizens.

At this moment, the tax authorities in the Netherlands are under severe scrutiny and even reported to the police, for racially profiling people who are entitled to child benefits. This has caused them to not receive their allowances. It is being fixed as we speak, but it's a serious matter that will go to court.

You simply cannot compare the crimes by members of the executive branches with those committed by citizens.
 
Mack, I will take a break from responding to your posts because your fawning at the right-wing nuttery has become literally unbearable.

No matter how accurate someone shows you something, your answer is always along the lines....maybe he didn't know, I am sure he wouldn't just lie, but the liberals, but the MSM but... but... but... but.. but... but... but... and other nonsense that has no basis in truth or logic thinking whatsoever.

Well that is up to you Harry, I'm not sure what right wing nuttery I have been fawning about though, other than pointing out a few things people can't seem to cope with. If I'm wrong I am happy to be proven wrong or have it explained why anything I've written is wrong, but personal insults and digs don't cut it.

Those words are just shorthand, that is the world we live in, the MSM, journalists etc.. are predominantly liberal in outlook, there is a mainstream media, the narrative is identical across stations. They are/were defending the riots as some sort of peaceful democratic demonstration, they have parked the social distancing rules conveniently aside when days before they wanted strict lockdowns and arrests for anyone breaking them. [I'm not up to date on the coverage, cable tv maybe condemning the riots now, but they weren't yesterday]

This is truth and reality; and it is identity politics driven, but it will only cause more division and fear.

Again happy for anyone to disagree, they are just my opinions of what I see happening.
 
There is a huge difference, Mack. The police are part of one of the executive branches of government, and they should uphold the highest of standards to ensure a fair and safe society for all citizens.

At this moment, the tax authorities in the Netherlands are under severe scrutiny and even reported to the police, for racially profiling people who are entitled to child benefits. This has caused them to not receive their allowances. It is being fixed as we speak, but it's a serious matter that will go to court.

You simply cannot compare the crimes by members of the executive branches with those committed by citizens.

but I am, and the general public at large, more likely to be affected by crimes committed by citizens, I also don't want psycho cops roaming the streets any more than anyone else. It's really perspective and the correct response and not encouraging hysteria. It's probably because the solutions are hard to find that people just go ballistic in the end due to frustration. US cops have been know to be heavy handed for years, but then the crime problems out there are very high.
 
Keep in mind, Donald Trump got a higher percentage of the Hispanic vote than Mitt Romney did. It turns out that not all Latinos believe in open borders. A lot of them agree with Donald Trump. And yet the left is now telling you — and demanding that you believe — that anyone who supports Donald Trump is a white supremacist, and must be destroyed. They’re telling you that for political reasons. This is election season and they want more political power. But there are other reasons too.

And yet the right is telling you - and demanding that you believe - that anyone who doesn't support Donald Trump is not a true patriot, and must be destroyed. They’re telling you that for political reasons. This is election season and they want more political power. But there are other reasons too.

It's easy to write propaganda.
 
There is a huge difference, Mack. The police are part of one of the executive branches of government, and they should uphold the highest of standards to ensure a fair and safe society for all citizens.

At this moment, the tax authorities in the Netherlands are under severe scrutiny and even reported to the police, for racially profiling people who are entitled to child benefits. This has caused them to not receive their allowances. It is being fixed as we speak, but it's a serious matter that will go to court.

You simply cannot compare the crimes by members of the executive branches with those committed by citizens.

Albeit on a far lesser level to many extents, it's the same as what Northern Ireland struggled with regarding their 'Protestant' (not my words) police force and the perception (and, in many cases, the reality, certainly in the past, maybe not so much more now) of unjust treatment of Catholics - you simply cannot say 'well, yeah, they shot 10 catholics but they also shot 20 prods and 10 atheists, so ho hum: to do so is not only ridiculous but fails to understand/acknowledge that racism/sectarianism has it's roots (often) firmly planted in institutions. Same result in the past - riots/violence (yes, some piggy backed upon it but equally, some was fuelled by anger at a state force that, to them, was targeting them)

Unfortunately that led to positive discrimination which, while it may have been well intentioned (well, more political), isn't the best way to address it.

And, yeah, i'm probably that word that Mack seems to think is an insult - a liberal :p
 
And yet the right is telling you - and demanding that you believe - that anyone who doesn't support Donald Trump is not a true patriot, and must be destroyed. They’re telling you that for political reasons. This is election season and they want more political power. But there are other reasons too.

It's easy to write propaganda.

are they really though? I know sean hannity might say that sort of thing, might say the patriot bit but not the destroyed part, that is classic cnn territory where they have ramped hate up against trump voters as being almost demonic and evil.

anyway I've posted too much, in fact it will be interesting to just read the other members post about events unfolding, rather than being bogged down debating it with me.
 
Well that is up to you Harry, I'm not sure what right wing nuttery I have been fawning about though, other than pointing out a few things people can't seem to cope with. If I'm wrong I am happy to be proven wrong or have it explained why anything I've written is wrong, but personal insults and digs don't cut it.

Those words are just shorthand, that is the world we live in, the MSM, journalists etc.. are predominantly liberal in outlook, there is a mainstream media, the narrative is identical across stations. They are/were defending the riots as some sort of peaceful democratic demonstration, they have parked the social distancing rules conveniently aside when days before they wanted strict lockdowns and arrests for anyone breaking them. [I'm not up to date on the coverage, cable tv maybe condemning the riots now, but they weren't yesterday]

This is truth and reality; and it is identity politics driven, but it will only cause more division and fear.

Again happy for anyone to disagree, they are just my opinions of what I see happening.

Really mack? I have posted dozens of times factual proof to refute your claims and all that came back was another "whataboutism".

I asked you dozens of questions in my posts, all of which you conveniently left unanswered. e.g. I posted a video with the full length of Dr Fauci's interview to prove to you how OAN misleads the American people. You never answered, zippo, nada, so I guess you never bothered to watch it.

But let me prepare you for the BIGGEST CON FROM THE DON, coming to you in the month of Sept/Oct 2020 if the polls are truly bad for Mr T. Ready to hear it? :D

A miracle will happen and you will hear during another barking session in the Rose Garden an announcement that at Mr T direction and through his decisive action a vaccine has been found. And all will hail the Chosen One, thank him for the best leadership in history..... by far .... and for the honour of being allowed to kiss his ass. :rolleyes:

And they are setting the CON up already now, this was said on Thursday:

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That vaccine will come right after the election, just like the new healthcare, middle-class tax cut and a wall paid by Mexico.

Don't tell me in November that you never saw it coming because you got now a few months to prepare. :D
 
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Really mack? I have posted dozens of times factual proof to refute your claims and all that came back was another "whataboutism".

I asked you dozens of questions in my posts, all of which you conveniently left unanswered. e.g. I posted a video with the full length of Dr Fauci's interview to prove to you how OAN misleads the American people. You never answered, zippo, nada, so I guess you never bothered to watch it.
Harry, he never answers a question, he just goes off and collects more sound bites to throw in to the mix - its his version of Don the Con.
When you put the facts to him, he ignores them, claims that its misinformation from the deep state and Obama.
I read your responses to his posts and I can almost certainly guess the contents of his post. You show him proof, facts, evidence and he ignores it all, he prefers to live in the dream world of conspiracy and right wing supremacy.
I gave up on replying to his posts when he cried that he was being picked on, that i was trying to pick a fight with him. All I was doing was pointing out the facts and asking him to provide evidence, The last straw for me was his Marsielle HCQ crap when he chose to believe a trial that was guaranteed to have a minimum 95% success rate as it was including asymptomatic and mild event patients in the trial, yet he pooh poohed the trial results you provided with 96,000 participants.
It has got to the stage now that I feel he falls into one of two categories, either low IQ who believes in everything that conspiracy theorists show him, or more realistically he is a troll who is only on here to wind up people.
This post will probably get me a few weeks in the sin bin, but I can't let the BS he posts pass me by because there are people in this world who are vulnerable to this crap and who will believe it.

Au revoir......
 
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I also believe it's a form of trolling.

Constantly ignoring facts presented in favour of seeking out new stuff to post. Anything to continue pointless debate as there is no intention to listen to or to process any material presented by others.

I honestly believe if everyone switched their opinions to the oposite then so would the conspiracist as I really dont think he actually believes in the stuff spouted it's all about being out there and being different whilst getting attention at the same time.

I am sure I will also be called out as a bully or a fiend. A lot of you have far more patience than me.

I also worry that conspiracy theorists target the vulnerable to peddle their nonsense either for financial gain or to look clever and intelligent and lord it over others.

What ever anyone posts it will not be read properly as that may mean facing up to truth. That just gets in the way of the very long stories.....
 
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I wonder who is to blame for the violence/burning buildings. If Trump says antifa...then it's not antifa! White supremacists/organized crime taking advantage of the chaos might be it. Good people on both sides coming up again I guess.

And for you Mack:
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So Flynn obviously lied to the FBI and was undermining Obama administration's sanctions. But DOJ/Barr/Trump says he's not guilty? Maybe Barr should go to jail instead of Flynn then. Can't be much more corrupt administration.
 
I also believe it's a form of trolling.

Constantly ignoring facts presented in favour of seeking out new stuff to post. Anything to continue pointless debate as there is no intention to listen to or to process any material presented by others.

I honestly believe if everyone switched their opinions to the oposite then so would the conspiracist as I really dont think he actually believes in the stuff spouted it's all about being out there and being different whilst getting attention at the same time.

I am sure I will also be called out as a bully or a fiend. A lot of you have far more patience than me.

I also worry that conspiracy theorists target the vulnerable to peddle their nonsense either for financial gain or to look clever and intelligent and lord it over others.

What ever anyone posts it will not be read properly as that may mean facing up to truth. That just gets in the way of the very long stories.....

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Some pathetic butt hurt coming from some people in some of the last few posts just because they got blocked lol.. cheers for ther laughs.
Maybe its more a fact of some home truths being spoken about a contributor who is only on the troll...... not the first time you have jumped on the bandwagon.
 
Some pathetic butt hurt coming from some people in some of the last few posts just because they got blocked lol.. cheers for ther laughs.

You are welcome to block us too then you wont have to read the posts. Not sure how your post made a difference to anything really though. Still at least it wasn't too long.
 
I asked you dozens of questions in my posts, all of which you conveniently left unanswered. e.g. I posted a video with the full length of Dr Fauci's interview to prove to you how OAN misleads the American people. You never answered, zippo, nada, so I guess you never bothered to watch it.

I must admit I don't remember a full length video of fauci, I do remember one or two posts about OAN, but up till I posted that video of there's re fauci's contradictions I'd never seen one of their videos, whereas what you've posted above does makes me sound like a bit of a long term promoter of OAN.

I think all tv channels are capable of lying in segments [or trying to mislead people] and also being closer to the truth on other issues. I will need to see a bit more of OAN to understand where they are coming from...blind trump propaganda or something a bit more nuanced.

No with fauci, after reading his letters of adoration to hillary, I couldn't take him seriously, just seemed odd for this infection expert to be getting involved in high level politics, but maybe I don't understand that world. Imagine fauci sending similar letters to trump, people would think he needed sectioning.

I try my best to reply and give likes to posts where I see some agreement or a good point, maybe I have spawned into a trump troll but really don't feel like I have.
 
I assume I've been unfairly attacked by mr wtg and borgie, how are these posts constructive?

Well I have to admit that you seem to ignore evidence posted for you. I try to be nice about it and keep on bringing more evidence (though I get frustrated too sometimes)! :P With you there's hope imo! I'll keep brainwashing you with facts! :P
 
Random Interlude...UK wise, might be able to see the Musk rocket at 10:10pm: for once Scotland has an advantage.

Rumours that Harry bundled Trump, Mack and Tucker in it are still unconfirmed.

Awaiting updates.
Well if he did get Trump on to it, it would be the best space flight ever, the most fantastic lift off, the most perfect docking at the space station and all done to make America great again :lolup::lolup::lolup:
 
Well if he did get Trump on to it, it would be the best space flight ever, the most fantastic lift off, the most perfect docking at the space station and all done to make America great again :lolup::lolup::lolup:

Be ironic if the Martians had build their own wall and, upon seeking entry;

Damn those Mexican Martians :mad:

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Well I have to admit that you seem to ignore evidence posted for you. I try to be nice about it and keep on bringing more evidence (though I get frustrated too sometimes)! :p With you there's hope imo! I'll keep brainwashing you with facts! :p

It seems though blocking members isn't enough when they are determined to make attacks and troll posts.

I did say earlier I was looking forward to others just posting their thoughts, nothing to do with my posts, political debate is frustrating, I experience that too.
 
Well that is up to you Harry, I'm not sure what right wing nuttery I have been fawning about though, other than pointing out a few things people can't seem to cope with. If I'm wrong I am happy to be proven wrong or have it explained why anything I've written is wrong, but personal insults and digs don't cut it.

Those words are just shorthand, that is the world we live in, the MSM, journalists etc.. are predominantly liberal in outlook, there is a mainstream media, the narrative is identical across stations. They are/were defending the riots as some sort of peaceful democratic demonstration, they have parked the social distancing rules conveniently aside when days before they wanted strict lockdowns and arrests for anyone breaking them. [I'm not up to date on the coverage, cable tv maybe condemning the riots now, but they weren't yesterday]

This is truth and reality; and it is identity politics driven, but it will only cause more division and fear.

Again happy for anyone to disagree, they are just my opinions of what I see happening.

It's clear you don't like the big liberal media outlets like CNN. Fox News isn't independent either and very much MSM.

What's your stance on independent media like Unicorn Riot?
 
It's clear you don't like the big liberal media outlets like CNN. Fox News isn't independent either and very much MSM.

What's your stance on independent media like Unicorn Riot?

funny you should mention that name but it came up yesterday on twitter, I haven't heard of them before and with that name I thought they had a speciality of following riots or something, and they had a stream on the riots, live on the ground coverage but it was over 5 hrs long :eek2:

I haven't really got a stance on them atm, I did use to watch the real news network for a while [from boston, and fairly left wing] they had interesting guests like colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, giving views on military matters.

Anything that comes up on youtube really, I watch peter schiff's financial vlogs from time to time, david knight of info wars, his show is fairly good not entirely blocked by youtube. He does attack trump and republicans as well, just listening to him now doing that regarding the EO:

[yesterdays show]



I only watch certain bits of fox and to be honest grew tired of the main shows I had been watching, laura, tucker and lou dobbs, so it's very occasional viewing now, say if some issue interests me to hear their take.
I'll probably watch a bit more once the election debates start.
 
funny you should mention that name but it came up yesterday on twitter, I haven't heard of them before and with that name I thought they had a speciality of following riots or something, and they had a stream on the riots, live on the ground coverage but it was over 5 hrs long :eek2:

I haven't really got a stance on them atm, I did use to watch the real news network for a while [from boston, and fairly left wing] they had interesting guests like colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, giving views on military matters.

Anything that comes up on youtube really, I watch peter schiff's financial vlogs from time to time, david knight of info wars, his show is fairly good not entirely blocked by youtube. He does attack trump and republicans as well, just listening to him now doing that regarding the EO:

[yesterdays show]



I only watch certain bits of fox and to be honest grew tired of the main shows I had been watching, laura, tucker and lou dobbs, so it's very occasional viewing now, say if some issue interests me to hear their take.
I'll probably watch a bit more once the election debates start.


I wouldn't call Infowars independent, only the not-for-profit organisations are truly independent. Alex Jones even sells pills on the website to make money :p

Unicorn Riot seems to be mostly covering news in Minnesota, I hadn't heard of them before a couple of days ago either. Watched them a fair bit and when their reporters on the ground interview someone they just let them talk without asking many questions.

I think The Young Turks are independent too.
 
I wouldn't call Infowars independent, only the not-for-profit organisations are truly independent. Alex Jones even sells pills on the website to make money :p

Unicorn Riot seems to be mostly covering news in Minnesota, I hadn't heard of them before a couple of days ago either. Watched them a fair bit and when their reporters on the ground interview someone they just let them talk without asking many questions.

I think The Young Turks are independent too.

No I don't suppose alex is independent, someone bankrolling his output, but I do like david knight, he has an old school way about him, nothing like alex jones. yeah I always wondered about the male vitality stuff :laugh: or pure iodine he use to plug.

their approach sounds good, just let the subject talk rather than directing them, [gonzo style journalism maybe?]
 
Watching again tonight as more riots seem to erupt all over the USA... Gives me a real bad feeling and it doesn't solve anything. I know there's a shitload of opportunists amongst the peaceful protesters, or rather they come out "to play" when the protests dissolve. Those people are just looking for a reason to loot, riot, vandalise and commit arson.

I don't know how they're going to deescalate this situation without calling in the troops so to speak. It's going to get real messy when that happens.
 
Watching again tonight as more riots seem to erupt all over the USA... Gives me a real bad feeling and it doesn't solve anything. I know there's a shitload of opportunists amongst the peaceful protesters, or rather they come out "to play" when the protests dissolve. Those people are just looking for a reason to loot, riot, vandalise and commit arson.

I don't know how they're going to deescalate this situation without calling in the troops so to speak. It's going to get real messy when that happens.

I haven't been following it tonight, without checking the news I get the sense trump will hold back until the public mood is there for a tough response, he won't want to get the blame for escalation and these things sometimes run out of steam.

Many of the looters in london were tracked down afterwards and jailed, some of these kids don't look like hardened criminals to me so silly to risk getting sent to jail for this, don't know if they have correction facilities for youth but you wouldn't want to be sent to a prison with hardened convicts.
 
Really, Mack? Well, here's another example of black people not getting what they should: the right to rent or even buy or build a house - due to racial covenants in Minneapolis, for instance, to keep "undesirable elements" out of certain neighbourhoods.

Please read
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, this started at the beginning of the 20th century but continues to this day.

I've skim read it now as it's about 2,000 words :oops: but it says:

Racial discrimination in deeds has been legally unenforceable for more than 70 years in the United States. But language like this is still buried deep in the property records of many Minneapolis neighborhoods developed in the first half of the 20th century.

So it sounded to me they want the covenants removed for symbolic reasons not because they are still active and enforced, a black person can purchase any property the same way as a white person, unless I'm missing something with that statement above regarding the law.

Shelley v. Kraemer made covenants unenforceable, but they didn’t make them illegal. Some developers continued to put restrictive language in deeds. Minnesota made it illegal to put covenants on houses in 1953.

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If somebody was trying to maintain segregation via covenants now they'd be sued to kingdom come surely?
It doesn't mention any cases of people to this day being blocked from renting, buying or building, even anonymous accounts of occurrences.

Certain parts of cities like london have more of one ethnic minority than another in areas, could be greek british in one area, turkish in another, bangladesh in another, but it's organic as far as I can tell, not due to property restrictions/rules.
 
The effects of these covenants are still present today:

Why Covenants Matter
The Supreme Court made covenants unenforceable in 1948. The Minnesota Legislature prohibited their use in 1953. And Congress banned these racial restrictions as part of the Fair Housing Act of 1968. So why do we care about covenants today?

By the time that covenants were abolished, the damage was done. And
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. We needed, as a nation, to address the harm that it did. We needed to acknowledge how racism was embedded in structures and institutions. But we didn't. So we are still living with the legacies of these discriminatory deeds today in the United States.

Covenants divided Minneapolis--and many other northern cities--by race. These residential segregation patterns persist today. And this physical segregation undergirds our contemporary racial disparities, which
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Separate is not equal. In the United States, racial segregation channels the flow of resources. Where you live
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. Majority white neighborhoods have more parks and more generous tree cover. Communities of color have more
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. They have less access to medical care, which translates into
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. Schools in these neighborhoods usually have
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. Some institutions beat the odds. But most struggle to maintain the resources necessary to meet the needs of their communities.

But covenants did more than steer people to certain neighborhoods. They also determined who could buy property. "Prospective Negro purchasers are sometimes told of restrictive covenants, or that the owner will not sell to Negroes, or that the neighbors would object," J.T. Wardlaw explained to the readers of the Minneapolis Star in a letter published on December 23, 1944. The head of the Minneapolis Urban League expounded further, asserting that these practices pushed people of color into areas that were redlined, which made it almost impossible to acquire affordable financing to buy property. And once they identified a home, "the already inflated price is made higher for Negro prospects," Wardlaw wrote. These "are the tools used to depress homeownership among Negroes," he explained. "These are the practices which during the past decade have come to be regarded as expedient and profitable. These are also the practices which if endured for another decade will reap for Minneapolis a sorry harvest."

Wardlaw's declaration was prophetic.

Today Minneapolis has the
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And since most families amass wealth through property ownership, this homeownership gap continues to feed our contemporary racial wealth gap. Wealth is built through generations, with one generation passing resources to another. Thanks in part to the racial biases that have been baked into the real estate market over the last century,
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The racial wealth gap makes it hard to erode residential segregation. And it contributes in every way to the racial disparities in education, health outcomes and employment facing our community today.
 
Watching again tonight as more riots seem to erupt all over the USA... Gives me a real bad feeling and it doesn't solve anything. I know there's a shitload of opportunists amongst the peaceful protesters, or rather they come out "to play" when the protests dissolve. Those people are just looking for a reason to loot, riot, vandalise and commit arson.

I don't know how they're going to deescalate this situation without calling in the troops so to speak. It's going to get real messy when that happens.

These cases act on most occasions as a valve-opener that sees then people erupt into protests. This is not a new thing and sadly little has changed in all these years, decades, centuries. The people of colour in the US (and most probably in other countries) suppress their feeling of powerlessness and that only goes up to a tilt-point. What is really sad though that nothing or very, very little will change.

Mr T, as usual, pouring gasoline onto the fire, the guy is absolutely despicable. "The most vicious dogs and ominous weapons" were guarding him at the WH. The racist denied black people to rent his apartments in the 80s, his father was part of the KKK, "fine people on both sides" - this type of person is currently president, so expect to see more nonsense on Twitler. :rolleyes:
 
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