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This is one of the funniest temper tantrums from Mr T. :D

20th May: Despite a still active pandemic, Mr T tweeting: Now that our Country is “Transitioning back to Greatness”, I am considering rescheduling the G-7, on the same or similar date, in Washington, D.C., at the legendary Camp David. The other members are also beginning their COMEBACK. It would be a great sign to all - normalization!
20th May: G7 leaders are invited for the end of June 2020
29th May: Merkel declines the invitation as any normal-thinking head of state would do: "As of today, given the overall pandemic situation, she cannot confirm her personal participation, that is, a trip to Washington."
30th May: "I'm postponing it because I don't feel that as a G7 it properly represents what's going on in the world. It's a very outdated group of countries."

Oh boy, time for a temper tantrum, AKA is known as the 5th-grader defence after being dumped by his first girlfriend: "My girlfriend did not dump me, I let her go because she wasn't my type." :rolleyes: :D

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I can't believe DA is 94. He has been part of my life for so long with his outstanding documentaries, that I don't want to think about him being gone from it forever.

However at 94, the sad reality is that he doesn't have a lot of time left.
samuel l jackson will sign on to anything
expect a 'motherf*cking gazelle being chased by a motherf*cking lion
shit....shit you see that? motherf*cking gazelles, man'
 
I can't believe DA is 94. He has been part of my life for so long with his outstanding documentaries, that I don't want to think about him being gone from it forever.

However at 94, the sad reality is that he doesn't have a lot of time left.
Yes, sad but true.
I dont want to jinx it, but i doubt he has any more than 60-70 years left in him.

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Some pathetic butt hurt coming from some people in some of the last few posts just because they got blocked lol.. cheers for ther laughs.
just...dropping this here, whistles, walks away

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I really, really wish there was a "WHAT THE FUCK" reaction button.

Both of these posts - in one case the poster and the content, in the other just the content - are prime candidates.
 
Regarding the violence currently being perpetrated against at least 25 cities in the USA, I have a feeling I am going against popular opinion on this thread.

As far as I am concerned, what is happening is indefensible violent rioting, bordering on anarchy, and has nothing to do with George Floyd's terrible death, and I agree whole-heartedly with all the following quotes.

LA Mayor Eric Garnett: “This is no longer a protest. This is vandalism ... this is destruction.”

Minneapolis Mayor Tim Walz: "Our great cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul are under assault by people who do not share our values, who do not value life and the work that went into this and are certainly not here to honor George Floyd."

Joe Biden: "Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It's an utterly American response, but burning down communities and needless destruction is not. The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest."

An unnamed black protestor, responding to the looting: "Something is wrong with them. It's not being done in George Floyd's name'.

Bill de Blasio: "We hear your desire to see these issues: relationship between police and community, the need for justice, the need for real change in our society. We appreciate and respect all peaceful protests, but it is now time for people to go home."
 
Regarding the violence currently being perpetrated against at least 25 cities in the USA, I have a feeling I am going against popular opinion on this thread.

As far as I am concerned, what is happening is indefensible violent rioting, bordering on anarchy, and has nothing to do with George Floyd's terrible death, and I agree whole-heartedly with all the following quotes.

LA Mayor Eric Garnett: “This is no longer a protest. This is vandalism ... this is destruction.”

Minneapolis Mayor Tim Walz: "Our great cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul are under assault by people who do not share our values, who do not value life and the work that went into this and are certainly not here to honor George Floyd."

Joe Biden: "Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It's an utterly American response, but burning down communities and needless destruction is not. The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest."

An unnamed black protestor, responding to the looting: "Something is wrong with them. It's not being done in George Floyd's name'.

Bill de Blasio: "We hear your desire to see these issues: relationship between police and community, the need for justice, the need for real change in our society. We appreciate and respect all peaceful protests, but it is now time for people to go home."

I so agree. Surely they are actually dishonouring his memory. He would not have wanted this in anyway shape or form .
 
Hey Bear, you really have to stop spreading misinformation as you could confuse the viewer.

Leatherbacks only live for 30 years, not 60-70. :D
David is a special kind of leatherback.
He will live on as long as people remember him!

 
This is another iconic personality I grew up with just like with David's nature videos.

He just turned 90!

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I loved Clint Eastwood in the spaghetti westerns and the Harry Callahan series. Saw The Mule a few months ago and thought that was great as well.

Trouble with him being 90 is that I am growing old alongside him, although not that age yet. Can't believe where the time has gone since the 70's/80's.

With all my favourite people hitting 90, I had better start investing in a good Care Home as it will be my turn soon.
 
Regarding the violence currently being perpetrated against at least 25 cities in the USA, I have a feeling I am going against popular opinion on this thread.

As far as I am concerned, what is happening is indefensible violent rioting, bordering on anarchy, and has nothing to do with George Floyd's terrible death, and I agree whole-heartedly with all the following quotes.

LA Mayor Eric Garnett: “This is no longer a protest. This is vandalism ... this is destruction.”

Minneapolis Mayor Tim Walz: "Our great cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul are under assault by people who do not share our values, who do not value life and the work that went into this and are certainly not here to honor George Floyd."

Joe Biden: "Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It's an utterly American response, but burning down communities and needless destruction is not. The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest."

An unnamed black protestor, responding to the looting: "Something is wrong with them. It's not being done in George Floyd's name'.

Bill de Blasio: "We hear your desire to see these issues: relationship between police and community, the need for justice, the need for real change in our society. We appreciate and respect all peaceful protests, but it is now time for people to go home."

Whilst I fully agree with your statement and said in a few posts here on CM that "violence only leads to more violence", I would like to hear what else you would suggest that they do. It is not like the countless peaceful protests over the last decades have brought any change whatsoever.

How much longer can or should people suppress their anger? What would be in your opinion an acceptable tilt-point? 10 people of colour killed by the police in one day, 100, 1,000?

Being told time and again to stay peaceful and being promised that change will come without anything materializing ever has been the mantra across the entire US (and some other countries) for a very long time. So who are we to tell these people that they should behave as we would like it to be or see fit? :confused:
 
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I loved Clint Eastwood in the spaghetti westerns and the Harry Callahan series. Saw The Mule a few months ago and thought that was great as well.

Trouble with him being 90 is that I am growing old alongside him, although not that age yet. Can't believe where the time has gone since the 70's/80's.

With all my favourite people hitting 90, I had better start investing in a good Care Home as it will be my turn soon.

Not counting the Western movies which I watched probably more than a dozen times, I like Gran Torino most.
 
Whilst I fully agree with your statement and said in a few posts here on CM that "violence only leads to more violence", I would like to hear what else you would suggest that they do. It is not like the countless peaceful protests over the last decades have brought any change whatsoever.

How much longer can or should people suppress their anger? What would be in your opinion an acceptable tilt-point? 10 people of colour killed by the police in one day, 100, 1,000?

Being told time and again to stay peaceful and promised that change will come without anything materializing ever has been the mantra across the entire US (and some other countries) for a very long time. So who are we to tell these people that they should behave as we would like it to be or see fit? :confused:
I disagree with the sentiment expressed in the bolded sentence as it could be read as advocating that People of Colour should be exempt from certain laws of the land. What we should expect is for them to respect the boundaries of law and order during their protest, otherwise we could be heading towards a situation where we only obey the laws that we like, and discount all others.

However, I agree wholeheartedly that violence against People of Colour never seems to cease, whether by law enforcement, or by ordinary citizens who appear to dislike and distrust them purely because of the colour of their skin, and has been an ongoing, unresolveable issue for decades.

Trump's America is possibly one of the worst places in the world to be at the moment, due to his tacit support of overt racism. However, an article in The Spectator USA states:

"Political scientist Daniel Hopkins had been led to expect (that racism has increased), through an extensive reading of recent literature in social sciences which supports the notion that racist attitudes lie dormant inside many people, waiting to be triggered by certain events – of which the election of Donald Trump might be one.

Yet the study found exactly the opposite. Americans...have actually become less inclined to express racist opinions since Donald Trump was elected."

In other words, Hopkins believes the study provides evidence that the racially incendiary rhetoric and policies issuing from Trump’s White House have pushed the majority of Americans in the opposite direction.


I must admit, his conclusions surprised the hell out of me as I was expecting the opposite, so what would be interesting to know is how Hopkins can explain what has been happening throughout the USA since Trump's election with all the BBQ Beckies, Permit Patties, Cornerstone Carolines and their peers, along with state-sanctioned murder?

What I personally believe is that "racist attitudes lie dormant inside many people, waiting to be triggered by certain events – of which the election of Donald Trump might be one", and since his election, people have become more emboldened and dangerous in both their thoughts and actions regarding People of Colour.

How to address the injustices that People of Colour have been going through for decades in the USA would be to start with the eradication of "institutionalised racism' from Law Enforcement agencies so there are no more cases such as George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery and yes, also Justine Ruszczyk Damond.

However, how to change the inherent racism of ordinary citizens is something I have no answer to. All I can do is to post Nike's response to George Floyd's murder and hope that for once, people of all colour and creeds start to really listen. And believe.

“For once, just don’t do it. Don’t pretend there’s not a problem in America. Don’t turn your back on racism. Don’t accept innocent lives being taken from us. Don’t make any more excuses. Don’t think this doesn’t affect you. Don’t sit back and be silent. Don’t think you can’t be part of the change. Let’s all be part of the change.”
 
Regarding the violence currently being perpetrated against at least 25 cities in the USA, I have a feeling I am going against popular opinion on this thread.

As far as I am concerned, what is happening is indefensible violent rioting, bordering on anarchy, and has nothing to do with George Floyd's terrible death, and I agree whole-heartedly with all the following quotes.

LA Mayor Eric Garnett: “This is no longer a protest. This is vandalism ... this is destruction.”

Minneapolis Mayor Tim Walz: "Our great cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul are under assault by people who do not share our values, who do not value life and the work that went into this and are certainly not here to honor George Floyd."

Joe Biden: "Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It's an utterly American response, but burning down communities and needless destruction is not. The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest."

An unnamed black protestor, responding to the looting: "Something is wrong with them. It's not being done in George Floyd's name'.

Bill de Blasio: "We hear your desire to see these issues: relationship between police and community, the need for justice, the need for real change in our society. We appreciate and respect all peaceful protests, but it is now time for people to go home."
Whilst I fully agree with your statement and said in a few posts here on CM that "violence only leads to more violence", I would like to hear what else you would suggest that they do. It is not like the countless peaceful protests over the last decades have brought any change whatsoever.

How much longer can or should people suppress their anger? What would be in your opinion an acceptable tilt-point? 10 people of colour killed by the police in one day, 100, 1,000?

Being told time and again to stay peaceful and being promised that change will come without anything materializing ever has been the mantra across the entire US (and some other countries) for a very long time. So who are we to tell these people that they should behave as we would like it to be or see fit? :confused:
I disagree with the sentiment expressed in the bolded sentence as it could be read as advocating that People of Colour should be exempt from certain laws of the land. What we should expect is for them to respect the boundaries of law and order during their protest, otherwise we could be heading towards a situation where we only obey the laws that we like, and discount all others.

However, I agree wholeheartedly that violence against People of Colour never seems to cease, whether by law enforcement, or by ordinary citizens who appear to dislike and distrust them purely because of the colour of their skin, and has been an ongoing, unresolveable issue for decades.

Trump's America is possibly one of the worst places in the world to be at the moment, due to his tacit support of overt racism. However, an article in The Spectator USA states:

"Political scientist Daniel Hopkins had been led to expect (that racism has increased), through an extensive reading of recent literature in social sciences which supports the notion that racist attitudes lie dormant inside many people, waiting to be triggered by certain events – of which the election of Donald Trump might be one.

Yet the study found exactly the opposite. Americans...have actually become less inclined to express racist opinions since Donald Trump was elected."

In other words, Hopkins believes the study provides evidence that the racially incendiary rhetoric and policies issuing from Trump’s White House have pushed the majority of Americans in the opposite direction.


I must admit, his conclusions surprised the hell out of me as I was expecting the opposite, so what would be interesting to know is how Hopkins can explain what has been happening throughout the USA since Trump's election with all the BBQ Beckies, Permit Patties, Cornerstone Carolines and their peers, along with state-sanctioned murder?

What I personally believe is that "racist attitudes lie dormant inside many people, waiting to be triggered by certain events – of which the election of Donald Trump might be one", and since his election, people have become more emboldened and dangerous in both their thoughts and actions regarding People of Colour.

How to address the injustices that People of Colour have been going through for decades in the USA would be to start with the eradication of "institutionalised racism' from Law Enforcement agencies so there are no more cases such as George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery and yes, also Justine Ruszczyk Damond.

However, how to change the inherent racism of ordinary citizens is something I have no answer to. All I can do is to post Nike's response to George Floyd's murder and hope that for once, people of all colour and creeds start to really listen. And believe.

“For once, just don’t do it. Don’t pretend there’s not a problem in America. Don’t turn your back on racism. Don’t accept innocent lives being taken from us. Don’t make any more excuses. Don’t think this doesn’t affect you. Don’t sit back and be silent. Don’t think you can’t be part of the change. Let’s all be part of the change.”

"A riot is the language of the unheard."
-- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
 



The man in the denim shirt who tries to help out gets his teeth kicked in a few mins later, these scum really are the pits, can't say how much I despise them

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Yes, this is scum. I hope they get prosecuted for assault and battery. These "people" you see kicking and punching the flag guy are out there just to do this kinda stuff tho, they aren't protesters but professional rioters and opportunists. You can clearly hear others in the crowd yelling to stop it and quite a few jumping in there to physically restrain them.

On the other hand: why would you go and provoke a crowd like this?
 
Unbelievable, just being used as an excuse to commit acts of violence on innocent people and robbery, this is from new york:




People don't go from being good citizens to this because of a cop killing someone, biden was right in 94, beyond the pale and predators, shame the democrats don't seem to prioritise the protection of the public anymore, more the criminal's rights. [actually in the uk both political parties have been similar on this topic, so possibly the republicans in the US have also become liberal compared to how they were before]
 
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Yes, this is scum. I hope they get prosecuted for assault and battery. These "people" you see kicking and punching the flag guy are out there just to do this kinda stuff tho, they aren't protesters but professional rioters and opportunists. You can clearly hear others in the crowd yelling to stop it and quite a few jumping in there to physically restrain them.

On the other hand: why would you go and provoke a crowd like this?

I know what you're saying but he was having a discussion with the beard guy, who must've been intellectually retarded because instead of agreeing to disagree like most adults would threw a punch.

Is carrying the national flag so provocative, he might have been a military vet for one?

It's gone too far now, politics must be failing too in a way for them to feel this is the way to go. We're coming up to an election very soon, why don't they channel their energy into that instead of mob violence.
 
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Nazis, White Supremacists, Right-Wing Nutters -"Fine People"
Antifa and Left-Wingers - "Terrorists"

Those few words from Mr T show clearly who and what he is and explains the systemic problem in the US which is a century-old issue.

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Antifa isn't even an organization but rather a movement.

Moreover I understood that there is no such thing as a domestic list of terrorist organizations or any legislation about domestic terrorist groups?
 
Each state has it's own police force and training, under a governor or mayor's political control, if the people are unhappy with brutal cops, then the local democracy is the way to resolve it. Hold their officials acountable, it's got nothing to do with Trump really.

People watching the tv at home, not involved in the riots, are unlikely to think the police are the biggest problem, it's these lawless youngsters.

Apparently Biden's campaign is funding some of the bail money as well :confused:...I don't know how moderate democrats will think about that if true.

To my mind Trump is basically a 1994 joe biden :cool: with a few extra verbal blunders and boasting thrown in, rather than the antichrist, his views would be mainstream democrat 35 years ago.
 
Antifa isn't even an organization but rather a movement.

Moreover I understood that there is no such thing as a domestic list of terrorist organizations or any legislation about domestic terrorist groups?

Was just watching a segment about that. You are right, there is no law to declare domestic groups as terrorist organizations.

It is funny that the Feds clearly identified groups from both sides, but Mr T and his lapdog Bar(r)k instantly declare without showing any evidence whatsoever that the perpetrators are ALL leftists. You can see clearly which side they are taking.

What happened suddenly to the 1st Amendment?

Racism promoted by the two top government officials! :rolleyes:
 
Each state has it's own police force and training, under a governor or mayor's political control, if the people are unhappy with brutal cops, then the local democracy is the way to resolve it. Hold their officials acountable, it's got nothing to do with Trump really.

People watching the tv at home, not involved in the riots, are unlikely to think the police are the biggest problem, it's these lawless youngsters.

Apparently Biden's campaign is funding some of the bail money :confused:...I don't know how moderate democrats will think about that if true.

To my mind Trump is basically a 1994 joe biden :cool: with a few extra verbal blunders and boasting thrown in, rather than the antichrist, his views would be mainstream democrat 35 years ago.

Oh how cute mack, another excuse for Mr T. You are so adorable! :rolleyes:
 
Antifa isn't even an organization but rather a movement.

Moreover I understood that there is no such thing as a domestic list of terrorist organizations or any legislation about domestic terrorist groups?

They are fairly organised, with funding and agitators, I doubt though they have a headquartered building.

I suspect Barr will now get the FBI counter terrorism teams to investigate antifa as if they were an organisation, trace the funding, key individuals nationally, home addresses etc... they could potentially plot to plant a bomb somewhere, I don't think that could be ruled out until all their computers are checked.

This has just given trump the opportunity he needed to go delving, who knows what the fbi will find.
 
They are fairly organised, with funding and agitators, I doubt though they have a headquartered building.

I suspect Barr will now get the FBI counter terrorism teams to investigate antifa as if they were an organisation, trace the funding, key individuals nationally, home addresses etc... they could potentially plot to plant a bomb somewhere, I don't think that could be ruled out until all their computers are checked.

This has just given trump the opportunity he needed to go delving, who knows what the fbi will find.

Just say it: George Soros ;)
 
Do not forget that in the same speech, he also said: "Riots are socially destructive and self-defeating".

Correct.

He comdemned riots and also noted that they don't appear out of thin air. America still has the same problems. Refusal to address them will see the same thing happening again and again.
 
This is terrible mob violence, I don't know how anyone can defend it, you don't always know what's happened prior to the video footage but on the surface 20 youths attacking a defenceless youngster, the crowd screaming encouragement and excitement, it's sick, I really hope they face the full force of the law just for being there if they didn't try to intervene to stop it, must've been terrifying for the lad.

On closer inspection It looks like he's carrying something red in his hand :rolleyes:...I can only think he was wearing a MAGA baseball cap and so in the mob's mind and low IQ that justified attacking him.



Edit: might have to right click that blue link at the foot to watch it on twitter
 
Trump toyed with designating antifa a major organization of terror last year too:




From the politico article at that time:

Trump's announcement follows a resolution put forward earlier this month by U.S. Senators Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy for the movement's designation as a domestic terrorist organization.

Ted's a legal man so there must be a legal route :confused:
 
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This is terrible mob violence, I don't know how anyone can defend it, you don't always know what's happened prior to the video footage but on the surface 20 youths attacking a defenceless youngster, the crowd screaming encouragement and excitement, it's sick, I really hope they face the full force of the law just for being there if they didn't try to intervene to stop it, must've been terrifying for the lad.

On closer inspection It looks like he's carrying something red in his hand :rolleyes:...I can only think he was wearing a MAGA baseball cap and so in the mob's mind and low IQ that justified attacking him.



Edit: might have to right click that blue link at the foot to watch it on twitter


Who's defending this senseless violence? I've heard many condemning it tonight on CNN of all channels ;)

Most that are involved in the Antifa movement are anarchists, they thrive on chaos and disruption.

Other than that there's a bunch of thugs abusing the situation. The REAL protesters have usually gone home by the time the rioting starts.
 
Correct.

He comdemned riots and also noted that they don't appear out of thin air. America still has the same problems. Refusal to address them will see the same thing happening again and again.
And has happened time and time again since 1966, when MLK made his speech.

1967: Newark. A black taxi driver arrested and assaulted by two white police officers for a minor traffic violation.

1967: Detroit. The catalyst was a police raid of an unlicensed, after-hours bar.

1968: Memphis. Assassination of Martin Luther King.

1980: Miami. Caused by the 1979 death of a black motorcyclist who rode through a red light, and the subsequent acquittal of four white police officers.

1992: Los Angeles. The acquittal of four white police officers involved in the assault of Rodney King, a black motorist.

2001: Cincinnati. The death of Timothy Thomas by a white police officer.

2014: Ferguson. Death of unarmed black teenager MIchael Brown by a white police officer. Charges were dropped, resulting in another riot in late November.

2015: Baltimore. Death of Freddie Gray after arrest by white police officers. The arrest is captured on video.

2016: Charlotte. Fatal police shooting of unarmed Keith Lamont Scott during a vehicle check.

2019: Memphis. The death of Brandon Webber by white police officers.

2020: USA. Violence across America after the death of George Floyd. The incident is captured on video.

And the common theme? Gratuitous violence by Police Officers perpetrated against African-Americans.
 
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