North Korea and US politics

[vorcirion]

The moderation in CM has became truely shocking. It had degenerated into becoming a club for a hand full of members protected and even encouraged by a mod. In Bens banned thread a member was called by the mod for making a personal remark towards a member who has slagging off Ben. Yet he allowed all and sundry to make personal attacks on Ben when the guy had no way of defending himself.
And here he allows his small bunch of forum buddies treat a lady this way.
It is ruining the forum at a time when Bryan himself stated that members may need the forum more than ever.
It is shameful

And how are we treating this lady? In my opinion no different than we would treat anyone else who either lies or trolls. But how do you see it?

 

[Mouche12]

I am a lady too and I feel very much at home here at CM!

 

[Borgie]

This is way out of hand . This is a political thread. People get frustrated and angry . People antagonize each other. Sometimes a line gets crossed but it cuts both ways.

I'm a lady but if I post stuff that is up for debate or if I contradict myself as happened here then I can expect a attack or two. Me being a lady is neither here or there. If I'm that sensitive I need to stay out of the thread. I actually do not believe Kelly jo is that sensitive. She is feisty and spirited and gives as good as she gets and normally does. Maybe a bad day we all get them

All that is happening here is the normal spilt of trump anti trump peeps and conspiracy non conspiracy are now facing up against each other. Its not pleasant but there is a reason there is a saying "never discuss politics, religion or money " this is what happens when you do.

Cant we dust ourselves off and move on. Nobody is completely innocent here. Not the parties involved or those protesting so loudly or me.

This is not a thread where warm hugs are going to be shared but we are all man or woman enough to deal with that.

 

[Kroffe]

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I am playing the victim to avoid being called out as a liar?
This is pathetic.

In the span of a few short weeks:

*A gif of a woman holding a phallus was posted as an effigy of me.
*I was "professionally diagnosed" with cognitive dissonance.
*I was told I deserved to be (paraphrasing) grabbed by my genitalia and manhandled.

Any chance you want to link to those comments, since i dont remember seeing them.

 

[pinnit2014]

Time for a bit of music to relax.

 

[electronictonic]

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I am playing the victim to avoid being called out as a liar?
This is pathetic.

In the span of a few short weeks:

*A gif of a woman holding a phallus was posted as an effigy of me.
*I was "professionally diagnosed" with cognitive dissonance.
*I was told I deserved to be (paraphrasing) grabbed by my genitalia and manhandled.

You want me to keep going?

I did nothing to warrant these remarks . Just like I did nothing to warrant yours. You made a mistake in interpreting my comment to Harry about needing my stimulus funds. Instead of acknowledging it... you went all in. I guess I can't blame you. I mean... Why wouldn't you?

I wouldn't waste the typing energy trying to converse with the same handful on here with minus IQ's and constant ad hominem attacks, a constant barrage of mainsteam media invented connotations thrown at you ad nauseam and don't forget the childish memes either, they don't have the intellect to converse like an adult, so they resort to all of the above.

 

[Borgie]

I wouldn't waste the typing energy trying to converse with the same handful on here with minus IQ's and constant ad hominem attacks, a constant barrage of mainsteam media invented connotations thrown at you ad nauseam and don't forget the childish memes either, they don't have the intellect to converse like an adult, so they resort to all of the above.

Really..... that made it all so much better didn't it...

 

[electronictonic]

I see what they wrote about her and the way they treated her, and it is shameful and for the record I am giving my opinion on the mentality of the same handful of people as they seem to have the same traits, what shall I do, call them all geniuses? and highly intelligent, when all they do is the opposite of that?

 

[pinnit2014]

Really..... that made it all so much better didn't it...

Lengths people will go to to put ad hominem into a conversation

 

[electronictonic]

Lengths people will go to to put ad hominem into a conversation

Yeah by the same childish few posters on here who keep resorting to using it like some sort of crutch.

 

[ladyhawke]

I only dip into this thread occasionally, so am not in a position to comment on any of the points made by Kelly Jo, although some of them sound vulgar in the extreme and unwarranted. And being a lady does seem to attract more personal and vicious attacks than are ever aimed at men.

BUT...I can comment on the following:

I wouldn't waste the typing energy trying to converse with the same handful on here with minus IQ's and constant ad hominem attacks, a constant barrage of mainsteam media invented connotations thrown at you ad nauseam and don't forget the childish memes either, they don't have the intellect to converse like an adult, so they resort to all of the above.

Can you honestly not see the irony - or hypocrisy - in what you have just posted?

- Minus IQ's
- Childish memes
- No intellect to converse like an adult

An ad hominem attack if ever I saw one.

 

[Kroffe]

I wouldn't waste the typing energy trying to converse with the same handful on here with minus IQ's and constant ad hominem attacks, a constant barrage of mainsteam media invented connotations thrown at you ad nauseam and don't forget the childish memes either, they don't have the intellect to converse like an adult, so they resort to all of the above.

Yeey, you are back!
Is it 3 or 4 times now that you have "quit" the forum?
Only to come back a couple days later with fresh fearmongering material found on some blog.

But forget all that, im just glad you are back!
You make the funniest posts!

 

[pinnit2014]

I’m only here for the nature documentaries.

Kroffe; show me a fox

And, no, Harry doesn’t count

 

[mack341]

Any chance you want to link to those comments, since i dont remember seeing them.

#5784 is possibly one I believe, re cognitive dissonance.

I have felt that Kelly Jo has been on the receiving end of a fair number of demeaning replies. She is a strong lady but there is only so much a person can take from people ganging up.

 

[Borgie]

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I only dip into this thread occasionally, so am not in a position to comment on any of the points made by Kelly Jo, although some of them sound vulgar in the extreme and unwarranted. And being a lady does seem to attract more personal and vicious attacks than are ever aimed at men.

BUT...I can comment on the following:


Can you honestly not see the irony - or hypocrisy - in what you have just posted?

- Minus IQ's
- Childish memes
- No intellect to converse like an adult

An ad hominem attack if ever I saw one.

Cannot find the posts Kelly jo is referring to. If they exist they should be looked into but I dont recall them and can't see them

 

[Kroffe]

#5784 is possibly one I believe, re cognitive dissonance.

I have felt that Kelly Jo has been on the receiving end of a fair number of demeaning replies. She is a strong lady but there is only so much a person can take from people ganging up.

I always thought she gave as good as she got.
Thats why i was suprised by the victim-card being played now.

 

[dionysus]

A reminder please people - keep your comments toward ..well, whatever the Hell it is being discussed in there today - and not toward your fellow members.
Thanks

 

[ladyhawke]

Cannot find the posts Kelly jo is referring to. If they exist they should be looked into but I dont recall them and can't see them

Agreed - I would have thought at least two of the comments, if actually made, would have attracted the attention of a Mod through the Report function.

 

[Kroffe]

I’m only here for the nature documentaries.

Kroffe; show me a fox

And, no, Harry doesn’t count

How bout a sneaky arctic fox?

 

[mack341]

I always thought she gave as good as she got.
Thats why i was suprised by the victim-card being played now.

sometimes 'it's the straw that breaks the camel's back'...and you two had good keanu related banter before, covid -19 is probably partly to blame, everything can escalate far more easily in the present climate.

 

[ternur]

The moderation in CM has became truely shocking. It had degenerated into becoming a club for a hand full of members protected and even encouraged by a mod. [...]

I wouldn't waste the typing energy trying to converse with the same handful on here with minus IQ's and constant ad hominem attacks, [...]

I see what they wrote about her and the way they treated her, and it is shameful and for the record I am giving my opinion on the mentality of the same handful of people as they seem to have the same traits, what shall I do, call them all geniuses? and highly intelligent, when all they do is the opposite of that?

Yeah by the same childish few posters on here who keep resorting to using it like some sort of crutch.

Stop beating around the bush and address these posters directly. We are all adults here.

A forum with conversations is not something that can be measured with objective metrics, is it? People have opinions and different ways of expressing them. A single post may be seen by the reader in a totally different light than the OP intended.

If anyone has a problem regarding the way I post for example, I expect to be told so directly. Be harsh if you want to, I don't fuckin' care. But do not assume anything or categorise people in to 'clubs'.

Low IQ? Childish? @ladyhawke replied to that excellently.

This is directly pointed at you @electronictonic btw. If you are wiser than the rest of us and have such a great sense of humour, maybe you should just keep out of these conversations? Since by definition these are clearly beneath your intellectual faculties. Correct me if I'm wrong?

I fucking hate arrogant people.

And oh yes, here's a gif.

 

[pinnit2014]

Ternur is angry

Can only be one thing

Can’t find his beer

Or, drunk it all: he probably can’t remember

 

[geordiecolin]

Stop beating around the bush and address these posters directly. We are all adults here.

A forum with conversations is not something that can be measured with objective metrics, is it? People have opinions and different ways of expressing them. A single post may be seen by the reader in a totally different light than the OP intended.

If anyone has a problem regarding the way I post for example, I expect to be told so directly. Be harsh if you want to, I don't fuckin' care. But do not assume anything or categorise people in to 'clubs'.

Low IQ? Childish? @ladyhawke replied to that excellently.

This is directly pointed at you @electronictonic btw. If you are wiser than the rest of us and have such a great sense of humour, maybe you should just keep out of these conversations? Since by definition these are clearly beneath your intellectual faculties. Correct me if I'm wrong?

I fucking hate arrogant people.

And oh yes, here's a gif.

When a bunch of you make it explicitly clear that you are not willing to bother reading quoted evidence and videos that highlight a point being made to back up in a debate then that is not just arrogance but a good reason to no longer engage in debate.

 

[maxd]

A gentle reminder to you all that stuff in the Attic is not monitored particularly closely. Generally speaking it is assumed you know the Forum Rules and can conduct yourselves like the adults you are. In other words:

• If you are here to post then understand that you are in "open country": the wildlife should not be assumed to be domesticated if you get my drift.
• If there is something you don't like then ignore it.
• If there is something that is way OTT / tramples on the Forum Rules then "Report" it.

Finally if anyone wants their forum account deleted or whatever then you know how to reach us. A PM to any of the moderators -- @maxd or @Casinomeister in particular -- will get you what you want.

 

[ternur]

When a bunch of you make it explicitly clear that you are not willing to bother reading quoted evidence and videos that highlight a point being made to back up in a debate then that is not just arrogance but a good reason to no longer with to engage in debate.

It goes both ways. And something you post is not always evidence, but rather an opinion. An example, you posted a claim involving covid patents. I asked you did you read up on that patent. You said no.

What is there left to debate at that point?

 

[ternur]

When a bunch of you make it explicitly clear that you are not willing to bother reading quoted evidence and videos that highlight a point being made to back up in a debate then that is not just arrogance but a good reason to no longer engage in debate.

I'll give you another example. You posted a video and followed it up asking "feel duped yet?". And told you believed what the video represented is factual. And after the fact check information about that video was posted, you dismissed the fact check source (AP).

What is there left to debate at that point?

 

[geordiecolin]

It goes both ways. And something you post is not always evidence, but rather an opinion. An example, you posted a claim involving covid patents. I asked you did you read up on that patent. You said no.

What is there left to debate at that point?

I suggest you revisit that convo

 

[ternur]

I suggest you revisit that convo

Did I remember it incorrectly? Please, correct me if I did.

 

[geordiecolin]

Did I remember it incorrectly? Please, correct me if I did.

I suggest you revisit that convo. I could have replied with evidence but at that point I decided to leave the conversation as a number of you where too blinkered to even bother reading any evidence or reasonable debating material put forward that did not support your position

 

[ternur]

@geordiecolin

I understand that we have different views about a lot of things. But this does not mean I don't value your input nor does it mean I'm not open to discussing things.

But please, if you post something you regard as evidence about something, add some reasoning to that thought process. I can easily misread people and what they mean.

 

[dionysus]

The moderation in CM has became truely shocking. It had degenerated into becoming a club for a hand full of members protected and even encouraged by a mod. In Bens banned thread a member was called by the mod for making a personal remark towards a member who has slagging off Ben. Yet he allowed all and sundry to make personal attacks on Ben when the guy had no way of defending himself.
And here he allows his small bunch of forum buddies treat a lady this way.
It is ruining the forum at a time when Bryan himself stated that members may need the forum more than ever.
It is shameful

and who would 'he' be? last I looked there's around a half dozen mods here.
Seeing as I took yesterday off, you must mean @dunover @maxd or @Casinomeister, perhaps?

 

[ternur]

I suggest you revisit that convo. I could have replied with evidence but at that point I decided to leave the conversation as a number of you where to blinkered to even bother reading any evidence or reasonable debating material put forward that did not support your position

What I remember from that conversation is that I asked if you have read the patent application/grant. You said you didn't read it. I did. It was not about the current COVID-19. I think it was a crucial piece of info.

 

[geordiecolin]

and who would 'he' be? last I looked there's around a half dozen mods here.
Seeing as I took yesterday off, you umust mean @dunover @maxd or @Casinomeister, perhaps?

You where present during the exchanges with Kelly which is evident by your posting history

 

[dionysus]

I logged in around 2 hrs ago and didnt work yesterday; here nor there I suppose, I see max has posted

 

[geordiecolin]

I logged in around 2 hrs ago and didnt work yesterday

I am sorry I made a mistake.

 

[Borgie]

You where present during the exchanges with Kelly which is evident by your posting history

The posts that Kelly Jo are upset about still remain a mystery apart from one mack has highlighted. If you can point is to those it may help

 

[geordiecolin]

@geordiecolin

I understand that we have different views about a lot of things. But this does not mean I don't value your input nor does it mean I'm not open to discussing things.

But please, if you post something you regard as evidence about something, add some reasoning to that thought process. I can easily misread people and what they mean.

Go read our last exchange in that thread. That thread is littlered with dismissive remarks and piss takes and ignorance towards anyone who presents content that is apposed to your thoughts.

 

[ternur]

Go read our last exchange in that thread. That thread is littlered with dismissive remarks and piss takes and ignorance towards anyone who presents content that is apposed to your thoughts.

By me?

 

[geordiecolin]

The posts that Kelly Jo are upset about still remain a mystery apart from one mack has highlighted. If you can point is to those it may help

Her last post coupled with the preseeding pages is evidence enough. They speak for themselves

 

[geordiecolin]

By me?

Go read your last reply to me in that thread. The thread gives the impression of having its own herd immunity

 

[ternur]

Go read your last reply to me in that thread. The thread gives the impression of having its own herd immunity

Now you lost me. This was my last reply to you in that thread.

The European patent I/you referenced is not about COVID-19.

I have not read that much about Gates and his or their foundations role in vaccinations so I'm unable to give you a coherent answer this early in the morning. I will later on if I choose to read up on it.

I'll probably opt in for some beer and music though.

Just post a link to my post showing exactly what you are referring to.

 

[ternur]

Go read your last reply to me in that thread. The thread gives the impression of having its own herd immunity

And please show me where I was dismissive, ignorant or taking the piss. I'd like to either apologise if I acted in such a manner or set things right.

 

[Borgie]

Her last post coupled with the preseeding pages is evidence enough. They speak for themselves

No the accusations she made about things posted about her are serious . If those things were posted they need looking at but nobody knows where they are.

 

[geordiecolin]

Now you lost me. This was my last reply to you in that thread.



Just post a link to my post showing exactly what you are referring to.

I had posted 3 times the crimes attributed to Gates by an extremely reputable source. Each time I posted it while asking reasonable questions I was ignored. The last time was met with your dismissive response above. Groff as another example also made it plain that he was not willing to take in what I presented. Faced with such dismissiveness who would want to contribute in that thread other than those in agreement with the few who are left posting in there?

 

[ternur]

I had posted 3 times the crimes attributed to Gates by an extremely reputable source. Each time I posted it while asking reasonable questions I was ignored. The last time was met with your dismissive response above. Groff as another example also made it plain that he was not willing to take in what I presented. Faced with such dismissiveness who would want to contribute in that thread other than those in agreement with the few who are left posting in there?

My exact words were:

I have not read that much about Gates and his or their foundations role in vaccinations so I'm unable to give you a coherent answer this early in the morning. I will later on if I choose to read up on it.

I told I'm not familiar enough with that issue to give you an answer. That's not taking the piss or being dismissive. That's a fact.

Now tell me how this in any way relate to these claims by you and answer me if you feel I have been guilty of them please.

Go read our last exchange in that thread. That thread is littlered with dismissive remarks and piss takes and ignorance towards anyone who presents content that is apposed to your thoughts.

By me?

And please show me where I was dismissive, ignorant or taking the piss. I'd like to either apologise if I acted in such a manner or set things right.

 

[geordiecolin]

and who would 'he' be? last I looked there's around a half dozen mods here.
Seeing as I took yesterday off, you must mean @dunover @maxd or @Casinomeister, perhaps?

I've just been informed about your recent sad loss Dion and in light of that I retract what I have said in recent posts. I am sorry. We all need supporting during such sad times

 

[vorcirion]

I had posted 3 times the crimes attributed to Gates by an extremely reputable source. Each time I posted it while asking reasonable questions I was ignored. The last time was met with your dismissive response above. Groff as another example also made it plain that he was not willing to take in what I presented. Faced with such dismissiveness who would want to contribute in that thread other than those in agreement with the few who are left posting in there?

It's hard to take you seriously when you jump from "Will the EU/Online casinos survive?" to "Will Trump survive an assassination attempt?". That immidiately raises my doubt about any of your claims. You better bring real proof if you start posting things about Gates now. If your extremely reputable sources are like Next News Network's sources...then yeah I won't believe anything you say. And you've kept posting many things from Next News Network.

 

[geordiecolin]

My exact words were:

I have not read that much about Gates and his or their foundations role in vaccinations so I'm unable to give you a coherent answer this early in the morning. I will later on if I choose to read up on it.

I told I'm not familiar enough with that issue to you an answer. That's not taking the piss or being dismissive. That's a fact.

Now tell me how this in any way relate to these claims by you and answer me if you feel I have been guilty of them please.

Your full post spoke for itself. You used to be a lawyer so I would presume that you would recognise serious claims when they are made by such eminent politicians which included murdering and maiming so many people.
Yet you obviously dismissed it.

 

[geordiecolin]

It's hard to take you seriously when you jump from "Will the EU/Online casinos survive?" to "Will Trump survive an assassination attempt?". That immidiately raises my doubt about any of your claims. You better bring real proof if you start posting things about Gates now. If your extremely reputable sources are like Next News Network's sources...then yeah I won't believe anything you say. And you've kept posting many things from Next News Network.

Time will tell with the EU as is the same with online casinos. We are yet to feel the brunt of the depression to come.
As for the rest of your post is concerned I am more than happy to leave you with your opinions

 

[ternur]

Your full post spoke for itself. You used to be a lawyer so I would presume that you would recognise serious claims when they are made by such eminent politicians which included murdering and maiming so many people.
Yet you obviously dismissed it.

I am a lawyer, please don't assume what I used to be, or anything else about me, thank you.

If I choose not to discuss something, that's up to me, not you. If I'm dismissive of a topic, that's just that. It doesn't mean I'm dismissive of the OP or his views. Let's be clear about that.

Now I ask you once again. Please show me where I have been ignorant or taking the piss? If you choose to categorise me, then you better have the proof to back it up.