North Korea and US politics

[ShadyFei]

Whatever happened to being centrist eh. I'd have thought that was what common sense and balanced views stood for, a little bit of everything without the extremes either way.

Like I might be left-leaning on some issues and far-right on others kind of thing

I couldn’t agree with you more. I consider myself very centrist. Some of my ideals are considered conservative and some are more left-leaning. I think many people are this way.

For example, I am pro-pipeline, believe in stricter illegal immigration laws, and disagree with the Canadian carbon tax. The leftist “snowflake” side of me is pro-union, a staunch believer in universal healthcare, and the decriminalization of all drugs.

Most people don’t wholly drink the Kool-aid on the left or the right, only extremists, sycophants, and zealots do.

 

[Kroffe]

Ok, now that everyone has gotten politics out of their system, we can return to what this thread was supposed to be about.

 

[ladyhawke]

From the Guardian on 28th March - Jonathan Freedland.

"An imbecile at the head of the US government would always be a problem. But an imbecile so narcissistic that he elevates his own stunted knowledge above the judgment of medicine and science is a calamity...

Trump tells the governors ... that if they want help, they’d better grovel. Even when lives are on the line, his ego with its paper-thin skin comes first.

The US president always was capricious and vengeful, but now that character flaw is a matter of life and death."

And this is the man that so many people revere as a breath of fresh air as he is non-PC, different from usual politicians, blah blah blah.

As the header in the article states, and I couldn't agree more:

"The only small comfort for the rest of the world is that he’s not their leader."

 

[slotplayer]

The truth I was going to post today is finally coming out but was too tired.

 

[Harry_BKK]

The truth I was going to post today is finally coming out but was too tired.

Oh please, do enlighten us, pretty please!

 

[Kroffe]

Not even one hour.
Come on people.

 

[pinnit2014]

I've oft wondered if Harry has set up google Trump alerts.

Now, it's clear - He is THE Trump alert.

 

[ladyhawke]

….As I keep saying why don’t the trump haters have any opinion on other world leaders in such detail? We have to have a reason as many other leaders are a hell of a lot worse and fuck up a hell of a lot more.

Trust me, our PM Scott Morrison (dear old SloMo) comes in for very fierce criticism, not only for his handling of this particular crisis, but for his ineptitude in general. Another one who is completely out of touch with reality and the common man, and who appears to favour his rich buddies over all else.

So I would guess this dislike of governments and their particular leader is prevalent in many countries - just that there are no CM threads about it.

 

[Mouche12]

On a less serious note: when you've succeeded in growing an award-winning huge onion, all is well with the world.

It's his baby...

 

[vorcirion]

On a less serious note: when you've succeeded in growing an award-winning huge onion, all is well with the world.

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It's his baby...

Makes me cry...

 

[slotplayer]

Oh please, do enlighten us, pretty please!

Just go watch the Fox line up they covered it all, CNN did to.

After H1N1 they failed to replenish the strategic stock pile of N95 masks after a recommendation. Obama/Biden had 7 years, Trump had 3, neither got it done.

Three term NY governor Andrew Cuomo was told I think in 2015 he was short approximately 16k ventilators @36K ea. but did not want to spend the $575 million. You know the 9/11 state.

I said long before "T" did it was all the blue states (NY, CA and WA) that had all the problems, but more so than blue states, the progressive states, you know the states that allow sanctuary cities and have the homeless problems.

 

[vorcirion]

Just go watch the Fox line up they covered it all, CNN did to.

After H1N1 they failed to replenish the strategic stock pile of N95 masks after a recommendation. Obama/Biden had 7 years, Trump had 3, neither got it done.

Three term NY governor Andrew Cuomo was told I think in 2015 he was short approximately 16k ventilators @36K ea. but did not want to spend the $575 million. You know the 9/11 state.

I said long before "T" did it was all the blue states (NY, CA and WA) that had all the problems, but more so than blue states, the progressive states, you know the states that allow sanctuary cities and have the homeless problems.

You're making weird comparisons. People really like to visit these progressive states so of course the chance of getting corona is much higher. And they have much higher population too. Let's just wait a bit and see how the red states do once corona finds its way there.
And this is a national problem for you...and it's the governors that are leading the effort since Trump is clueless. Zero leadership skills.

 

[slotplayer]

You're making weird comparisons. People really like to visit these progressive states so of course the chance of getting corona is much higher. And they have much higher population too. Let's just wait a bit and see how the red states do once corona finds its way there.
And this is a national problem for you...and it's the governors that are leading the effort since Trump is clueless. Zero leadership skills.

Trump is a World Class Leader.

Of course the densely populated states will see more cases but its in every state and this map is from the 16th. I could not find a more recent one.

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[vorcirion]

Just go watch the Fox line up they covered it all, CNN did to.

After H1N1 they failed to replenish the strategic stock pile of N95 masks after a recommendation. Obama/Biden had 7 years, Trump had 3, neither got it done.

Three term NY governor Andrew Cuomo was told I think in 2015 he was short approximately 16k ventilators @36K ea. but did not want to spend the $575 million. You know the 9/11 state.

I said long before "T" did it was all the blue states (NY, CA and WA) that had all the problems, but more so than blue states, the progressive states, you know the states that allow sanctuary cities and have the homeless problems.

And have you watched those corona virus briefings that Trump does? If you watch the same briefing but don't watch anything that Trump says...then it's a real briefing. Even Pence is giving useful info. Once Trump is added there then it's a misleading political show where the press is getting attacked and Trump is trying to be some kind of cheerleader for the stock market by giving overly optimistic views and his gut feelings or whatever.

 

[slotplayer]

And have you watched those corona virus briefings that Trump does? If you watch the same briefing but don't watch anything that Trump says...then it's a real briefing. Even Pence is giving useful info. Once Trump is added there then it's a misleading political show where the press is getting attacked and Trump is trying to be some kind of cheerleader for the stock market by giving overly optimistic views and his gut feelings or whatever.

I watch 99% of them. Some times he's good and sometimes he rambles. Today at the bill signing he was sharper, other times he's not. I think its the age. Same for Pelosi, today she was sharp, the last time she was not.

A poll that just came out cited that slightly more people trust Trump more than the media. Go back and read Playford's post, he summed it up nicely.

 

[Kroffe]

Almost like the number of cases and how many lives there have something to do with each other.

 

[slotplayer]

Almost like the number of cases and how many lives there have something to do with each other.

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The numbers aren't current but if you go by that map.

I'm in MA, population nearly 7 million, Flordia 3x, @ 21 million, both 100 cases.
Washington State population 7.5 million 600 cases, California population 40 million, 400 cases.
Texas population 28.7 million, 79 cases.

MA, CA, WA all progressive states.

 

[ShadyFei]

I said long before "T" did it was all the blue states (NY, CA and WA) that had all the problems, but more so than blue states, the progressive states, you know the states that allow sanctuary cities and have the homeless problems.

I wonder what the catalyst was that made this president do an abrupt about face on the need for ventilators and federal support?

Maybe he was finally convinced that this isn't just a blue state problem. Though the hardest hit states are currently almost all blue, the growth rates are now a lot higher in red states. Louisiana has the fastest growth rate of coronavirus cases in the world.

But my guess is Louisiana was the reason. Solid red state and in deep trouble.

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I know how much you like Fox News, so this is for you.

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[slotplayer]

I wonder what the catalyst was that made this president do an abrupt about face on the need for ventilators and federal support?

Maybe he was finally convinced that this isn't just a blue state problem. Though the hardest hit states are currently almost all blue, the growth rates are now a lot higher in red states. Louisiana has the fastest growth rate of coronavirus cases in the world.

But my guess is Louisiana was the reason. Solid red state and in deep trouble.

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I know how much you like Fox News, so this is for you.

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Watch the video closer, Louisiana has a Democratic Governor.

Plus they went ahead with Mardi Gras. that starts on Feb. 25th. in hindsight they regret it.

I would not be surprised if it turns out the states with Republican Governors even if they have the most cases and are blue handle it better.

 

[vorcirion]

Watch the video closer, Louisiana has a Democratic Governor.

Plus they went ahead with Mardi Gras. that starts on Feb. 25th. in hindsight they regret it.

I would not be surprised if it turns out the states with Republican Governors even if they have the most cases and are blue handle it better.

How many grannies you wanna sacrifice to get Dow go up by 2000 points?

 

[slotplayer]

How many grannies you wanna sacrifice to get Dow go up by 2000 points?

I saw it. Sounds heartless and the timing was off but its not like all the world leaders aren't concerned with prolonged shut down of the global economy. Even NY Governor Cuomo was saying something about no tax revenue coming in to the state recently.

You saw a perfect example in PR after the hurricane. The union workers would not distribute the supplies because they were concerned with not getting paid.

 

[Kroffe]

I saw it. Sounds heartless and the timing was off but its not like all the world leaders aren't concerned with prolonged shut down of the global economy. Even NY Governor Cuomo was saying something about no tax revenue coming in to the state recently.

You saw a perfect example in PR after the hurricane. The union workers would not distribute the supplies because they were concerned with not getting paid.

Are you saying you agree with it?
Should we sacrifice the older population to keep the stock-market happy?

 

[Kroffe]

And while i did say "older population" it has been shown that people of all ages die from the virus.

 

[slotplayer]

Are you saying you agree with it?
Should we sacrifice the older population to keep the stock-market happy?

I have no opinion of it one way or another.

But the stock market has nothing to do with it.

 

[dionysus]

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[Harry_BKK]

Mr T on 26th Feb 2020:

“When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done. We have it so well under control. I mean, we really have done a very good job.”

Mr T on 30th March 2020:

“These are 2.2 million people would have died if we didn’t do what we’re doing. And now we’re looking at numbers that are going to be much, much, much lower than that. And it makes everything we’re doing feel much better to me.”

“If we could hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000, that’s a horrible number, maybe even less, but to 100,000 — so we have between 100- and 200,000 — we altogether have done a very good job”

And this from the guy who called Obama's handling of the H1N1 pandemic with some 12,500 deaths a "complete disaster". What is it then when 10x more people perish?

But it is all a typical "Con from the Don". Put out an outrageous number for a worst-case scenario so people think he's doing a great job. He mentioned the 2.2 million a total of 16 times in his presser, you can see his tactic of hammering into the brains of the people, and I have no doubt the cult will fall for the con line, hook and sinker.

The daily presser is now officially a daily Mr T re-election rally. The guy from MyPillow speaking was the best proof of that. Funny or rather another "Con from the Don" is that he invites nearly to 100% only companies who donated to his campaign.

 

[mack341]

Trump has annoyed me by attacking one of the rep congressmen, Thomas Massie, because he wanted a proper vote on the bailout bill and is not happy the big banks are going to hoover up a lot of the handouts:

"The stimulus package that just passed is the biggest wealth transfer from common folks to the super-rich (Wall Street and bankers) in the history of mankind. Done in the name of a virus with $1200 checks as the cheese in the trap. This will be obvious in short order. "

He's got a Bachelor’s degree in Electrical Engineering and a Master’s Degree in Mechanical Engineering from MIT, so he's no thicko unlike some in politics.

I don't know all massie's political positions but for Trump to join up with rachel maddow and john kerry to attack him, you know something's not right, calling for him to kicked out of the republican party just for wanting to follow the constitution

In other news I see fox fired Trish Regan, one of their presenters, for saying rash things about the virus and the democrat's political use of it.

 

[Steviedoo]

Trump promised scores of big-box retailers would offer parking lots for covid-19 testing. There are only five of them.
March 27, 2020 at 10:40 p.m. EDT

Two weeks ago, President Trump promised a network of drive-through covid-19 testing sites across the country where people could be tested “very safely, quickly and conveniently.” In a Rose Garden news conference, chief executives of Target, Walgreens, Walmart and CVS said they would work with the government to provide space in store parking lots.

While the four retailers have a combined 26,400 U.S. stores, this vision of a proliferation of

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testing sites has yet to materialize. Walgreens and CVS have opened one site each, while Walmart last weekend opened two drive-through testing locations near Chicago. Target hasn’t opened any. Rite Aid, which joined the effort later, has opened one drive-through facility in Philadelphia.

Kushner Firm Built the Coronavirus Website Trump Promised

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On March 13, President Donald Trump promised Americans they would soon be able to access a new website that would ask them about their symptoms and direct them to nearby coronavirus testing sites. He said Google was helping.
That

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. But in the following days, Oscar Health—a health-insurance company closely connected to Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner—developed a government website with the features the president had described. A team of Oscar engineers, project managers, and executives spent about five days building a stand-alone website at the government’s request, an Oscar spokesperson told The Atlantic. The company even dispatched two employees from New York to meet in person with federal officials in Washington, D.C., the spokesperson said. Then the website was suddenly and mysteriously scrapped.

The site would not have helped many Americans even if it had launched. Today, more than two weeks after the president promised a national network of drive-through test sites,

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have been tested.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Trump promised scores of big-box retailers would offer parking lots for covid-19 testing. There are only five of them.
March 27, 2020 at 10:40 p.m. EDT

Two weeks ago, President Trump promised a network of drive-through covid-19 testing sites across the country where people could be tested “very safely, quickly and conveniently.” In a Rose Garden news conference, chief executives of Target, Walgreens, Walmart and CVS said they would work with the government to provide space in store parking lots.

While the four retailers have a combined 26,400 U.S. stores, this vision of a proliferation of

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testing sites has yet to materialize. Walgreens and CVS have opened one site each, while Walmart last weekend opened two drive-through testing locations near Chicago. Target hasn’t opened any. Rite Aid, which joined the effort later, has opened one drive-through facility in Philadelphia.

Kushner Firm Built the Coronavirus Website Trump Promised

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10:40 PM ET

On March 13, President Donald Trump promised Americans they would soon be able to access a new website that would ask them about their symptoms and direct them to nearby coronavirus testing sites. He said Google was helping.
That

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. But in the following days, Oscar Health—a health-insurance company closely connected to Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner—developed a government website with the features the president had described. A team of Oscar engineers, project managers, and executives spent about five days building a stand-alone website at the government’s request, an Oscar spokesperson told The Atlantic. The company even dispatched two employees from New York to meet in person with federal officials in Washington, D.C., the spokesperson said. Then the website was suddenly and mysteriously scrapped.

The site would not have helped many Americans even if it had launched. Today, more than two weeks after the president promised a national network of drive-through test sites,

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, and

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have been tested.

As expected, a lot of braggadocious bluster which turns out to be nothing more than hot air.

Rinse and repeat..... the same for his entire life if you look at his history. Had to laugh how the stable genius said yesterday:

"I know South-Korea better than anyone (of course).....Seoul has a population of 38 million" where in fact it has less than 10 million.

A Twitter user made a good suggestion where Mr T got his number from.

 

[sufferinsilence]

In other news I see fox fired Trish Regan, one of their presenters, for saying rash things about the virus and the democrat's political use of it.

Regan said this was yet another impeachment scam. That the liberal media were using the pandemic as a means to demonize and destroy Trump.

Even Trump had to admit "only 100.000 deaths" would be a good outcome.

 

[dionysus]

That the liberal media were using the pandemic as a means to demonize and destroy Trump.

he seems to be digging his own hole without the need of anyone else

 

[Harry_BKK]

Trump has annoyed me by attacking one of the rep congressmen, Thomas Massie, because he wanted a proper vote on the bailout bill and is not happy the big banks are going to hoover up a lot of the handouts:

"The stimulus package that just passed is the biggest wealth transfer from common folks to the super-rich (Wall Street and bankers) in the history of mankind. Done in the name of a virus with $1200 checks as the cheese in the trap. This will be obvious in short order. "

He's got a Bachelor’s degree in Electrical Engineering and a Master’s Degree in Mechanical Engineering from MIT, so he's no thicko unlike some in politics.

I don't know all massie's political positions but for Trump to join up with rachel maddow and john kerry to attack him, you know something's not right, calling for him to kicked out of the republican party just for wanting to follow the constitution

In other news I see fox fired Trish Regan, one of their presenters, for saying rash things about the virus and the democrat's political use of it.

Why do you think the Senate Republicans were so quick to write their own bill? They smelled easy money as no one would oppose a stimulus bill in this situation.

Usually, it is the House enacting bills, which are then sent to the Senate. The lobbyists had a field day.

What would be more worrying for me as a US citizen is the fact that they did not implement any oversight into the bill at first other than Mnuuuuuuuuchin and Mr T or better said Pat and Patachon. You know, the Goldman-Sachs guy who played a major part in the 2008 crisis and the bankruptcy expert who wasted $400 million of his dad's money in less than 10 years responsible for a package of up to $4 trillion in taxpayer money. What could possibly go wrong?

Oversight mechanisms were only included because the Democrats insisted and the Republicans needed them to get to the required 60 votes. You can bet that in any other case the bill would have passed without any mechanisms.

The joke of the day came though from Mr T regarding oversight. He said "I am the oversight"...... right! More money to burn through for the serial bankrupt. .... I wouldn't trust him with my son's weekly pocket money, let alone $4 trillion.

Massie made a fool of himself as he knew he wouldn't have a chance. Only he knows what the real reasons were behind his stunt. If you look at this voting record, it becomes even more mysterious.

 

[ShadyFei]

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Ha! I know this guy. He lives in my hometown. I saw this tweet earlier today, it seems to have since blown up. Trump is not a popular political figure amongst Canadians for the most part - especially unpopular on the West coast.

Ian’s Twitter content is clever and entertaining - often local stuff except lately it’s been more global. Here is the link for anyone who wants it:

 

[ShadyFei]

. . . You know, the Goldman-Sachs guy who played a major part in the 2008 crisis and the bankruptcy expert who wasted $400 million of his dad's money in less than 10 years responsible for a package of up to $4 trillion in taxpayer money. What could possibly go wrong? . . .

. . . The joke of the day came though from Mr T regarding oversight. He said "I am the oversight"...... right! More money to burn through for the serial bankrupt.

“I will be the oversight”. And the beneficiary too, I imagine. Hard pass.

Joke of the day, or maybe the week! Although it has some stiff competition from Mr. Bankruptcy’s constant stream of non-sensical ramblings.

 

[Harry_BKK]

“I will be the oversight”. And the beneficiary too, I imagine. Hard pass.

Joke of the day, or maybe the week! Although it has some stiff competition from Mr. Bankruptcy’s constant stream of non-sensical ramblings.

The part that is mostly unknown to most is that it can be potentially way more than $500 million as they built in a mechanism for Mnuuuuuuuuuchin that could see him leverage another $1.5 trillion or so via the Fed. Forgot the exact number. Read a good part of the bill last week but I easily forget unimportant stuff.

 

[rena35]

I guess our governor thought it was more important to get supplies from Trump then to issue a shelter in place order. You should see the amount of people carrying on as usual. 3000 Coronavirus victims over 100 deaths and he is on Twitter saying thank you to Trump for supplies. He did say governor's should appreciate his kindness. 50 state reps are begging for the governor to take action and 70,000 signatures begging for our state to close. I think if and when the Coronavirus touches his supporters directly they may change their tune. Not wishing bad on anyone only safety. It's sad to say some will never see the sheer crisis in front of them. I don't understand the blindness. I can only try to keep me and my family safe. Remember this when it's time to vote. Also the people who are taking this as a joke are putting others in danger.

 

[slotplayer]

I guess our governor thought it was more important to get supplies from Trump then to issue a shelter in place order. You should see the amount of people carrying on as usual. 3000 Coronavirus victims over 100 deaths and he is on Twitter saying thank you to Trump for supplies. He did say governor's should appreciate his kindness. 50 state reps are begging for the governor to take action and 70,000 signatures begging for our state to close. I think if and when the Coronavirus touches his supporters directly they may change their tune. Not wishing bad on anyone only safety. It's sad to say some will never see the sheer crisis in front of them. I don't understand the blindness. I can only try to keep me and my family safe. Remember this when it's time to vote. Also the people who are taking this as a joke are putting others in danger.

really, wow what state is this, if you care to say.

 

[rena35]

@slotplayer it's Georgia. I am still not for or against Trump I just hope this pandemic gets everyone to come together and get this thing reined in. I like many people are afraid. I don't like to play the blame game because it's beyond that now. We need to move forward and try to get things done now.

 

[slotplayer]

@slotplayer it's Georgia. I am still not for or against Trump I just hope this pandemic gets everyone to come together and get this thing reined in. I like many people are afraid. I don't like to play the blame game because it's beyond that now. We need to move forward and try to get things done now.

I hear ya. I'm in MA , right next to NY. It's coming here but the state is locked down pretty good, in my area anyway. I stopped with forum heated non-sense because it takes my eye off the ball.

 

[vorcirion]

Funny how Tucker finally told the truth (still refuses to say Trump's name though):

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Pity that he was part of the lying cult before this and just going against the democrats no matter what.

 

[Steviedoo]

I guess our governor thought it was more important to get supplies from Trump then to issue a shelter in place order. You should see the amount of people carrying on as usual. 3000 Coronavirus victims over 100 deaths and he is on Twitter saying thank you to Trump for supplies. He did say governor's should appreciate his kindness. 50 state reps are begging for the governor to take action and 70,000 signatures begging for our state to close. I think if and when the Coronavirus touches his supporters directly they may change their tune. Not wishing bad on anyone only safety. It's sad to say some will never see the sheer crisis in front of them. I don't understand the blindness. I can only try to keep me and my family safe. Remember this when it's time to vote. Also the people who are taking this as a joke are putting others in danger.

Charleston, SC just closed it’s beaches yesterday. And essential services include selling and buying houses and cars so they are open for business.
And of course you can still go to church. 928 cases, 18 deaths in all of SC.

 

[vorcirion]

Watch the video closer, Louisiana has a Democratic Governor.

Plus they went ahead with Mardi Gras. that starts on Feb. 25th. in hindsight they regret it.

I would not be surprised if it turns out the states with Republican Governors even if they have the most cases and are blue handle it better.

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This is how your governors are reacting. Republicans just don't want to do stay-at-home order. So yeah sure...republicans handle things better...mmm-m. Good luck!

And Kroffe...wtf? What the hell are you doing in Sweden? Do we need to invade your country or will you start acting responsibly?

 

[Kroffe]

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This is how your governors are reacting. Republicans just don't want to do stay-at-home order. So yeah sure...republicans handle things better...mmm-m. Good luck!

And Kroffe...wtf? What the hell are you doing in Sweden? Do we need to invade your country or will you start acting responsibly?

You cant tell me what to do!
We gave you Finland 1809, but if you guys really want to become part of Sweden again, come invade i guess.
Ill be in my cabin.

 

[Kroffe]

Oh shit, wrong gif.

Ill be in my cabin!

 

[vorcirion]

You cant tell me what to do!
We gave you Finland 1809, but if you guys really want to become part of Sweden again, come invade i guess.
Ill be in my cabin.

How generous of you! It's like we gave some land to russians after winter war to make them feel better.

 

[dionysus]

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[Kroffe]

dick

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Anti-dick
I mean, sure its awesome pr, but as far as pr goes, its a pretty neat one.

 

[geordiecolin]

This may get the anti Trump brigade hyperventilating.
It seems that he has taken over the Federal Reserve. He has threatened to take over the Fed Reserve for a while now and maybe he has done it? Merging it with the US central bank. Draining the swamp? Kennedy tried it and died while attempting to.

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[geordiecolin]

I am surprised that nobody can see the significance in this

 

[vorcirion]

I am surprised that nobody can see the significance in this

I don't really care. He has 7 months to do his worst. After that bye bye and hi jail (hopefully).
And the more you talk...the more you seem like a russian troll who's here just to provoke.