North Korea and US politics

[dionysus]

But if the people who settled in canada hadn't settled there, [the scots, the french etc..] but say the usa pushed all their native americans and released slaves to colonise it instead, would canada be the same place culturally?

Obviously skin colour doesn't prevent someone today from integrating as long as they can talk the lingo well enough. If I turned up in canada, white and pasty, speaking brit english, how long would it take for canadians to accept me as a proud canadian, surely there must be some hurdles?

not....really.
One of the biggest differences between the states and here, is the idea of the mosaic vs the melting pot.
Whereas the US is more a ..park your culture at the door and integrate, Canada is more a..bring your culture in and combine it for the greater whole.

Yes, yes, of course, there are limits - socially everyone has to adapt to the wider accepted set of standards; but colour isn't a criteria. If everyone were white, off-white or w/e....speaking toward colour alone...nothing would really change. Ideals of course, need to be broadly the same....colours rather run the gamut here.
I'm about as aryan a poster child as it gets...6', blonde hair, fair skin, blue eyes. My neice however, is brown, most of my cousins are mulatto; when I go out to the bar, there's probably very, very few white euro caucasians vs 'other'


edit - sorry, still broadly 'euro'-centric; not thowever, where would would think Ir/Sc/Br, etc

 

[dionysus]

lol, as an example, I just pulled up my friends list
putting aside nationailities, I came across on a quick scroll of about 100 people, 3 blonde friends
- 2 dye their hair, the third is my brother
Nationality-wise, well, I'd say Canadian; but to compare when I lived say, in the US with my three zillion blonde neighbours, minus any from south of the border, here you'd have a much, much broader mix of heritage..beyond say, roots in what would generally be classified as 'typical' Eur-Caucasian (Ir/Sc/Br/Grm)

 

[dionysus]

a quick google shows that roughly better than half of the Canadian population is 'white' (ie Eur-caucasian, or not 'visible minority) - note these numbers bounce generally around the 65 (wh) v 35 (other) mark
Of course, that also means, roughly half the population ISN'T what one would normally identify as 'white' (so here, at least, majority/minority is nearly moot, or given, a generation or 2 will be), bearing in mind as well, 'white' generally means, not brown/black, so that 'just' white majority includes olive skinned, off-white etc

when polled (statistics Canada), the most commonly identified ethnic origins were (2016): Canadian
ie when asked, what is your ethnic origin, the most common response simply was...Canadian

 

[mack341]

This just popped up on my news feed.

When you see this you will know how "dirty" his reelection campaign will be because he cannot win on his merits or as Mr T says it on his “achomlishments”. He has to rely instead on lies and unfounded accusations (without ever showing any evidence).

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BTW, the commander-in-chief spells Al-Qaeda as ALCAIDA and "people" as "peopel". That should tell everyone that this guy has no clue about anything. He claims though to be a really "good speller".

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And Mr T supporters have now a new chant. Instead of "Lock her up" it is now "Send her back". That is the state where this president has brought the country to.

I think he uses the phonetic spelling so he doesn't mangle and mispronounce them? He has been scraping the barrel a bit with his criticisms of these 4 women, he's hardly given many examples, it seems in america, the terms and scope of debate are limited, it's very easy to be accused by opponents of being anti american. Trump's been accused of it himself, of being a russian patsy etc...

I've always said the debate should be about the policies rather than the style, that can come later as an add-on.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I think he uses the phonetic spelling so he doesn't mangle and mispronounce them? He has been scraping the barrel a bit with his criticisms of these 4 women, he's hardly given many examples, it seems in america, the terms and scope of debate are limited, it's very easy to be accused by opponents of being anti american. Trump's been accused of it himself, of being a russian patsy etc...

I've always said the debate should be about the policies rather than the style, that can come later as an add-on.

The president of the United States needs commonly known words written in phonetic spelling because he can't pronounce them? And a word like "people"?

Sorry mack, that makes it even worse, that puts him where he actually always is, at the 5th-grader level.

He has been siding with Putin on anything he can, so what would you call him? And still hasn't imposed all sanctions he was supposed to do as per the bills passed by Congress.

Google Hitler's early rallies if you want to hear the same chant from the crowd: "Send them back" or "Go back". Nobody took it too seriously in the beginning, only to realize it became normality and ended in horror. And Mr T promotes some very similar nationalist ideas.

 

[Harry_BKK]

On another note, what would you think when you see this military build-up of US forces in the Saudi-Arabian desert? That goes on top of all bases they already have in the region. And these are just the preparations for the arrival of the actual troops.

Mr T not planning for war?

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[ternur]

On another note, what would you think when you see this military build-up of US forces in the Saudi-Arabian desert? That goes on top of all bases they already have in the region. And these are just the preparations for the arrival of the actual troops.

Mr T not planning for war?

It's a scary thought. Some idiot move either on the Persian Gulf or the South China Sea could be devastating. It's a good thing the commander in chief is a level-headed thinking man. All hail the supreme leader!

But at least the national security advisor is not that hawkish so perhaps the American neocolonialism will not raise its ugly head this time.

 

[mack341]

bbc:

"A bid to launch impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump has been blocked in the US House of Representatives.
Texas Democrat Al Green filed the resolution after the House voted to denounce Mr Trump's attacks aimed at four US congresswomen as racist.
But the measure failed to win enough support, with his fellow Democrats voting overwhelmingly against."

I think Mr Green should've waited till after the mueller appearance before congress, that makes more sense to me in case something comes out of that, not that I'm saying he should be impeached [I don't think he should]

A lot of baloney about the russians helping him to win, just the implausibility of that strikes me. If the russians were that capable they would've helped corbyn beat theresa may in 2017, you can't blame the unpopularity of things like hillary clinton, and here in the uk, membership of the EU, on the russians. It's puerile and anti democratric of the elites to not accept their candidates and policies are sometimes just too unpopular, make compromises rather than trying to get all your own way in democracies where people get a vote.

And Mr T supporters have now a new chant. Instead of "Lock her up" it is now "Send her back". That is the state where this president has brought the country to.

Google Hitler's early rallies if you want to hear the same chant from the crowd: "Send them back" or "Go back". Nobody took it too seriously in the beginning, only to realize it became normality and ended in horror. And Mr T promotes some very similar nationalist ideas.

I'm not really sure trump's policies are comparable to the third reich, but saying that I don't like these chants of 'send them back' however if you poke something enough times you will get a reaction, the far left [not only these four women, but the sjw movement] are conducting a front on attack on conservative america, who are not just going to sit there and take it. The left have been using hysterical politics for some time now, without it seems caring or realising, there will be a stronger response from conservative people who disagree with them.

 

[Steviedoo]

bbc:

"A bid to launch impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump has been blocked in the US House of Representatives.
Texas Democrat Al Green filed the resolution after the House voted to denounce Mr Trump's attacks aimed at four US congresswomen as racist.
But the measure failed to win enough support, with his fellow Democrats voting overwhelmingly against."

I think Mr Green should've waited till after the mueller appearance before congress, that makes more sense to me in case something comes out of that, not that I'm saying he should be impeached [I don't think he should]

A lot of baloney about the russians helping him to win, just the implausibility of that strikes me. If the russians were that capable they would've helped corbyn beat theresa may in 2017, you can't blame the unpopularity of things like hillary clinton, and here in the uk, membership of the EU, on the russians. It's puerile and anti democratric of the elites to not accept their candidates and policies are sometimes just too unpopular, make compromises rather than trying to get all your own way in democracies where people get a vote.





I'm not really sure trump's policies are comparable to the third reich, but saying that I don't like these chants of 'send them back' however if you poke something enough times you will get a reaction, the far left [not only these four women, but the sjw movement] are conducting a front on attack on conservative america, who are not just going to sit there and take it. The left have been using hysterical politics for some time now, without it seems caring or realising, there will be a stronger response from conservative people who disagree with them.

Meanwhile there has been investigation after investigation that he was helped by the Russians...150 contacts with Russians from his people.....but no....he won fair and square....and let’s not believe anything but what Trump tells us. Cuz he never lies.
I really don’t get what the appeal is with this man. The hate he spews on a daily basis is despicable. WORDS MATTER. Sorry.

Oh we don’t like what he says but we like his policies....doesn’t hold anymore.

There is no bottom with this guy. Just when you think...this is bad....but nope he sinks even lower, bringing the bar even lower every single time ...the next new president whether it be in 2020 or 2024 is gonna have it easy. Cuz the bar has been set so low that no matter what they will do they will shine.

 

[mack341]

Meanwhile there has been investigation after investigation that he was helped by the Russians...150 contacts with Russians from his people.....but no....he won fair and square....and let’s not believe anything but what Trump tells us. Cuz he never lies.
I really don’t get what the appeal is with this man. The hate he spews on a daily basis is despicable. WORDS MATTER. Sorry.

Oh we don’t like what he says but we like his policies....doesn’t hold anymore.

There is no bottom with this guy. Just when you think...this is bad....but nope he sinks even lower, bringing the bar even lower every single time ...the next new president whether it be in 2020 or 2024 is gonna have it easy. Cuz the bar has been set so low that no matter what they will do they will shine.

I think the russia gate [I won't say hoax] blown up accusations was a disingenuous response by the establishment [and that includes the deep state and their agencies, cia/fbi/NSA etc..] to Trump beating their favoured candidate Hillary, they couldn't accept large parts of the public weren't keen on her or her policies [as she pretty much represents the establishment agenda/foreign policy goals etc..] so they needed to say and convince the public it wasn't true, that instead hillary had been cheated and unfairly defeated.

If the russian linked facebook/twitter posts etc.. influenced the vote, and that is a very big if, that is more than matched by the unfavourable and biased msm coverage Trump received every day across tv and newspaper...despite all that he still won.

I probably would have abstained in the vote, not sure I could vote for trump if I'd been exposed to his self publicising and aggrandisement antics as much as americans have over the years, be a bit like voting for a piers morgan or alan sugar to be our prime minister. Not something I'd be keen for, as I don't enjoy their full of themselves/ abrasive characters. I couldn't bring myself to vote for hillary though either.

There's got to be a middle of the road, common sense candidate somewhere in the democrat and republican parties, maybe though things have become too tribal in the US for that now, the differences between left and right too entrenched.

 

[Harry_BKK]

And the 5th-grader level is confirmed yet again when Mr T was asked about the "sent her back" chants at his rally.

First, he lied that he quickly started speaking again where he actually waited some 12 seconds to bask in the chants. And then the perfect 5th-grader excuse.

"I did not say that, it was them!" (referring to his supporters)

 

[Harry_BKK]

Draining the swamp Mr T said. This story popped up when I loaded YT today.

Typical wheeling and dealing of a braggart realtor and snake oil salesman.

 

[Steviedoo]

And the 5th-grader level is confirmed yet again when Mr T was asked about the "sent her back" chants at his rally.

First, he lied that he quickly started speaking again where he actually waited some 12 seconds to bask in the chants. And then the perfect 5th-grader excuse.

"I did not say that, it was them!" (referring to his supporters)

It’s gonna happen again. Just like lock her up....let’s see how fast he will shut it down....right.

 

[mack341]

Draining the swamp Mr T said. This story popped up when I loaded YT today.

Typical wheeling and dealing of a braggart realtor and snake oil salesman.

That's much more like the kind of political things to highlight and pursue, cronyism and donor influence corruption, if you can find something like that each week, you build a case against someone's politics and how they've been performing their role in office that way.

I think fighting trump on the wall so hard without a realistic alternative proposition, the identity politics and russia gate stuff is a waste of time, much better to focus on things most can agree are wrong and not partisan motivated.

It's far more journalistic too, holding politicians to account on factual issues, maybe the msm are starting to realise that they need to set the 2020 agenda back onto more mundane middle of the road concerns that have been getting less attention than they deserve.

I don't think true conservatives like wheeler dealing and immoral trickster behaviour, probably democrats don't too, so that's something the majority can agree on.

 

[Harry_BKK]

That's much more like the kind of political things to highlight and pursue, cronyism and donor influence corruption, if you can find something like that each week, you build a case against someone's politics and how they've been performing their role in office that way.

I think fighting trump on the wall so hard without a realistic alternative proposition, the identity politics and russia gate stuff is a waste of time, much better to focus on things most can agree are wrong and not partisan motivated.

It's far more journalistic too, holding politicians to account on factual issues, maybe the msm are starting to realise that they need to set the 2020 agenda back onto more mundane middle of the road concerns that have been getting less attention than they deserve.

I don't think true conservatives like wheeler dealing and immoral trickster behaviour, probably democrats don't too, so that's something the majority can agree on.

For the same reasons as above, I do not think Acosta became labour secretary on pure merits or by natural selection. Same goes for EPA, OMB, CFPB and many other positions.

This is one proposal from Acosta. For what reason would he cut the funding?

"Acosta has also come under fire for his proposal to cut funding for victims of sex trafficking. His 2020 budget proposal for the Department of Labor includes an almost 80% decrease in funds for the Bureau of International Labor Affairs, the office tasked with fighting child sex trafficking. Critics of the proposal argue it would effectively dismantle many programs aimed at preventing child sex trafficking and put large numbers of children at risk."

 

[Harry_BKK]

It’s gonna happen again. Just like lock her up....let’s see how fast he will shut it down....right.

Oh this is only the start. IMO, it will get much worse until election day.

He decries socialism and the socialist ideas of these congresswomen but does subsidize farmers for the tariff malarkey. So it's OK where it suites him. Subsidies are one of the epitomes of socialism. He certainly accuses China exactly of the same thing.

I did not see anyone saying abandon the capitalist principle but what they said is healthcare for everyone (absolutely normal in any other developed nation), raising the minimum wage to $15 (all or most Republicans voted against), treat border crossers humanely (which is part of the UN Charta signed by the US, but why should Mr T care), stop separating families and especially babies (did you see the list? They took babies as young as 3 months old from their mothers!), the Green New Deal (will be needed sooner or later, but then Mr T covers for all his coal and oil friends).

All his supporters have benefited at some point in their lives from at least one government system/program which Mr T tries to paint as extreme socialist. Funny that they never declined when they needed it.

 

[slotplayer]

Hard to believe the Democratic party has moved left of Bernie Sanders.

The pig is walking babe.

 

[Steviedoo]

Hard to believe the Democratic party has moved left of Bernie Sanders.

The pig is walking babe.

And the gop has moved to the extreme right...alt right. Racist right..nazi right...

 

[slotplayer]

And the gop has moved to the extreme right...alt right. Racist right..nazi right...

Sounds like a winning message, lets hope the radical dems keep pushing it.

 

[Steviedoo]

Sounds like a winning message, lets hope the radical dems keep pushing it.

At least the socialist message the gop is accusing the left is not rooted in hate.

 

[mack341]

You two are the undisputed masters of the 1 line discussion

BTW trump is currently taking time off his other responsibilities and trying to help a black rapper called A$AP Rocky get out of a swedish jail

 

[Harry_BKK]

You two are the undisputed masters of the 1 line discussion

BTW trump is currently taking time off his other responsibilities and trying to help a black rapper called A$AP Rocky get out of a swedish jail

And got lectured that in some countries money and political might cannot influence the justice system unlike in the US. His wheeling and dealing being shown its limits.



And of course, he didn't inform himself at all how the system works in Sweden and that paying bail is not available. He simply thought that they will kowtow because the mighty Mr T is calling. Just shows yet again the ignorance that is so inherent to Mr T.

BTW, he said during his last rally: "I have so much time tonight because I have nothing to do!" - probably the first time ever he said the truth.

 

[mack341]

Kanye and some other celebs got on the blower to see if Don could help out, you can't blame them really. I would expect the swedes to now fast track the case, ASAP be fined and sent on his merry way. The longer trump is seen to fight this rapper's corner the more street cred and respect he'll gain from parts of the black community, if nothing else don knows a self promotional opportunity when he sees one...

 

[slotplayer]

At least the socialist message the gop is accusing the left is not rooted in hate.

yes, thanks, I forgot about the hate card.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Kanye and some other celebs got on the blower to see if Don could help out, you can't blame them really. I would expect the swedes to now fast track the case, ASAP be fined and sent on his merry way. The longer trump is seen to fight this rapper's corner the more street cred and respect he'll gain from parts of the black community, if nothing else don knows a self promotional opportunity when he sees one...

The Swedes are independent-minded people who will not kowtow to anyone, let alone adjust their judicial system because of a call from Mr T. They will go through the due process and follow the laws, unlike Mr T as one of his sycophants publicly said on Faux News at the time about the Supreme Court and the census question:

Hogan Gidley from the White House made a startling admission to Fox News host, Bill Hemmer. He said the president said: "Listen, I'm not going to be beholden to courts anymore. I have the legal authority to find out this information. The American people deserve to know it, so I'm moving forward with this method. "