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No more 3dice for me :)!!

I looked at 3D today and noticed I had enough comp points to get $10.

I played the new slot payola. I have to admit it is a unique slot. Very good design. I noticed on a mouse over of the slots it would say high variance, very high, medium etc. At least they are warning you of high variance slots now. The payola slot was listed as medium but it wasted no time taking my money. Only saw the free spins once with not much return.

I did notice you can win 78 free spins.

You can't play long enough to see it unless you deposit big. Normal 3D session. Money doesn't last long there.
 
How many threads does this make in the past year here regarding 3Dice ?? :eek2:

It has got to be the most controversial online casino of all time in both good and bad aspects...

But good as far as free marketing goes in online searches though !!
 
I did notice you can win 78 free spins.
Got this a few times, max win around $25 on $1.20 -$1.40 bet..very lousy payout..for that kind of play IMO....why not just do 5-10-15-20-25 spins and up the win amount per spin??? It would be more enticing instead of sitting and being bored to death...praying you just might get to $50 this time...lmao..:lolup:
 
78 spins at $1.20 - $1.40 each and end up with around $25.00? :eek: Painful. Almost enough to make you pray you DON"T hit the bonus feature. Pathetic! And you are not alone Silc. And this is not an abnormal bonus round at 3 dice. At least not for me and mine. Oh well, moving on.
 
Didnt Dr Jacobson do a BlackJack audit already?

Why would any casino rep want to post in this nest of vipers??




I don't see how all that is happeing here, We are only requesting inforamtion that any other casino would have readily available. with Dr Jackobson, he did do an audit on a fellow cm memebers account which did show to be a fair game as stated by a rebutable person.

I'am not disputing that AT ALL, My concern is how many people think the same exact thing as I do, They can change betting limit's to individual accounts but can not give a proper play log of someone's account. I would think this is one of the first things they should do when operating online casino to make sure everything is on the up and up. They have been asked repeated times for clients play logs but so far there is no response to those queries.

These are normal questions anybody would ask and i dont feel there is viper tactics going on. If you see we can not speak highly enough about there customer support.
 
Because we as customers ask questions
an they should provide the answers


an I am not just referring to 3dice on this answer
there are alot of players asking questions of
MG Rival RTG ETC. an to me
they cant answer the questions
that are put before them then
I will play elsewhere
where I am treated as Someone

not a casino account#
as a Person

Cindy
 
Why would any casino rep want to post in this nest of vipers??
Good point!
Enzo would just come here and swear their games are fair, all the unhappy players would insist they're rigged and it would just end up as one big ugly argument.
So I'm not really surprised he's stayed away, he's probably got much better things to do with his time.
KK
 
They can change betting limit's to individual accounts but can not give a proper play log of someone's account.

Same_Old...changing the betting limits on a player's account is not unique to 3Dice, and is totally irrelevant. However, the player logs are something else, and I do agree that any and all softwares should be able to provide a player with their logs upon request.

As to the fairness of the games, slots in particular...I agree with KK 110%. It is pointless for Enzo, or any other casino operator to come on here and make a statement that "our games are fair". It will take exactly the course that KK has predicted. Losing while playing slots is hardly a revelation, even for extended periods of time. If I played every day, I would lose also..way more than I wanted to, or could afford to. If you play slots long enough and for extended periods, you are going to lose. And you are going to run into "dry spells" where you won't even come close to winning for what seems like an eternity. Well, except for KK....he's some kind of "slot freak". :p

As to the 3Dice Blackjack, I also would like to see the audit results, and have spoken to Enzo about this myself (for myself).

If anyone is unhappy, unlucky, pissed off or feels that they are not getting a fair game....whether that be from 3Dice, RTG, MG, Rival, Crypto or any other proprietary software....then STOP!!! Stop depositing, stop throwing good money after bad. Complaining on this forum or any other, while it may help you to vent...is not going to resolve anything for you. The only way to really make a point is to stop giving a casino your business. Cut off the money supply, that's the bottom line.

I can also tell you that if the day ever comes when I truly believe that I am being ripped off, or that the games aren't fair/random/whatever.......I will no longer play. I won't post about closing accounts, and unless I have concrete "proof" and not just suspicion, I won't be posting that any software is rigged either.

Do I believe that online casinos have the ability to tweak their software if they so desire? Yes I do. But personally, I do not feel that anything has changed in close to 8 years of online gaming, not for me. If anything, the software has improved drastically. And I have never truly felt cheated. Bad sessions, long losing streaks, bad luck....yes. But cheated? Never. And I never forget the very large wins I've had also. In the end, it balances out.

Winbig said it best....it's discipline and money management. :thumbsup:
 
Very good point pinababy, thank you for that.

So you think I shouldnt have posted I closed my account and just leave it to myself???.

No Same_old, that's a personal choice, and totally up to you. Not trying to tell you what to do....just giving my own opinion. Like I said, if venting makes you feel better, by all means go ahead. I just don't believe it will accomplish anything that's all. And you've seen how these 3Dice threads turn. I'd just rather see if something can get accomplished. Like the points you've brought up re: player logs and audits.

Maybe I shouldn't have said anything....I don't want anyone to think they shouldn't post their opinion.....because everyone is entitled to do that. I was just trying to give mine. I know I don't always come across the way I mean to. :o
 
No you came across fine pina :) .. Yes I do see what you are saying I personally like all the different aspects you all talk about because it gives me different angles to view the issues. both you and KK had some really good points, If I had stuck to the main topics, player logs etc then we may get somewhere.


hmmm thining thinking thinking!!
 
As to the 3Dice Blackjack, I also would like to see the audit results, and have spoken to Enzo about this myself (for myself).
I thought you may have seen them for the 10 minutes they stay posted.....Anyway, I have an over 100 page presentation that reflects poorly on just about everybody involved.....I believe you could read between the lines to see the truth....I also have the original log files and all the e-mails indicating how uncooperative 3 DICE was.

Each will have to decide for him/herself.

BTW, fair does not mean fair necessarily in the online world. The Wiz will not as a general policy I presume even look at an issue as I understand unless it has a 1 in 10000 chance of occurring. So I guess it is fair if it only has a 1 in 7000 chance of occurring day after day:D
 
A 1 in 10,000 chance of occuring. How about 2 consecutive sessions at 1 in a hundred?

And again... What if you are playing against yourself? It would not be 2 sessions at all, just the same session you desided to "pause". Eventually you will get past the badness and get to the happiness! If you break it up while in one of the 1/million badness you could try to get 10 of theese in a row!

People should start capturing the screen when playing BJ! Try Camtasia! I do not have the bankroll to do this just to experience loosing, so someone who stills play BJ online would have to do it - but please do so we all can see that we are not the only one getting theese incredible hands!
 
NB: I vote Betty, hands down. Ginger pubes? No thanks. ;)

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I haven't posted here much (I'm still intending to do an "introduce yourself" thread), but I've been enjoying reading these boards lately and had some advice from them too.

I am 29 years old, I have about 5 years online gambling experience and have been "live" betting for about 15 years (since well before I should have been able to pass for 18). I have spent most of my work life in bookmakers and amusement arcades, I've served 100,000s of betting customers, talk regularly to many gambling friends and I experienced all forms of gambling first hand extensively.

I have gambled from 2p per spin on video slots all the way up to 100 per bet on VP or 3-card-pair-plus and 1,000 a hand blackjack (with splits and doubles on those stakes!).

I've had years of bad luck and years of good luck. I have flat-bet like a saint, progressively bet, and chased marty losses like a nutter. I have been sensible, an idiot, addicted, sick, an advisor, a tipster, an anti-gambler, I've even been to GA meetings before, gone for 6 Months with no betting ...and then repeated the cycle (which I'm sure I will again and again through my life) ...I am infamous to my friends as a gambler, but a trustworthy one. I have had close friends (well two) who have phoned me to "sell" me their 4-to-a-royal in exchange for a good price for their pat flush ...And I've trusted their commentary over the phone. ...I feel like I've seen, and experienced it all, and no gambling tales, but the most extreme[/i] longshot, would ever surprise me.

...and I've read nothing in these pages that come even slightly close

I've been a doubter, a sceptic in the past, and with more experience, I trust the good online casinos. ...To be totally honest, with more experience still, I suppose now I am maybe 1% agnostic with this trust.

I have had 5 dealer blackjacks against me, I believe these odds are somewhere near 2,000,000 to 1. I have been at 100 per hand on pair-plus and seen the dealer get 2 straight flushes and 1 3oak against me within 5 hands, I've had the fucking dealer "checking for blackjack" around 20 times in a row and been destroyed everytime.

...and I do not doubt a fair game

a 2,000,000 to 1 blackjack shot going against me? ...Well, I suppose I've played ...I dunno ...Maybe 200,0000 to 500,000 hands of blackjack (or more). So having that happen to me is at most a 10-1 shot. If it had been 7 bj's against me at almost a billion to one (considering deck composition), I could rationalise it at being a maybe 1,000 to 1 chance of happening one day in the last few years.

I very much enjoy reading these threads and fair play to same_old for getting rid of a casino she doesn't like. What better reason could you find?

But please remember people, if you have gambled extensively, you will see extreme rarities from time to time, if you didn't, it would be unusual.

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To address a couple of the above complaints:

The 31 deposits in a row losing and still being up from previous big slot wins:

Imo, that's slots for ya. Simple as. ...and the nicer side of them too.

The 200,000 to one 3-card-poker shot (simulations SF's):
Please, you said you usually play 3cp, your going to see it one day I'm afraid.

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If anyone has read this far. Thank you very much for reading, I've got to put my boy to bed now, so I apologise for the many spelling and grammar errors that are bound to be in this post! :-)

P.S. A streaky "RNG" is manipulatable, and more importantly, it is not a fair fixed-odds game. It's soo easy to see good and bad runs as hot and cold streaks, especially when they are stretched out for long, long periods. But in good casino software, they cannot viably exist.

"Streaks" would NOT milk more players at all. They would expose the games to manipulation. Fruit machine manipulation is something that I have a lot of experience in from both sides. But fruit machines are programmed differently than casino games (by law) and are far easier for operators to "keep an eye on". There is NO WAY that casinos operators would expose their card games to even a slither of predictability. If they did, they would be abused far more seriously than the occasional lucky forumite who "has a system".

Cheers.
 
P.S. A streaky "RNG" is manipulatable, and more importantly, it is not a fair fixed-odds game. It's soo easy to see good and bad runs as hot and cold streaks, especially when they are stretched out for long, long periods. But in good casino software, they cannot viably exist.

Cheers.

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Please elaborate on those statements...
 
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Please elaborate on those statements...

If Streak = hot and cold runs.

A high % pay-out game that is programmed to be deliberately streaky would be victim to simple betting patterns that could manipulate this cycle of behaviour.

Many people after a long spell of good or bad gambling luck, consider these periods to be an intentional personal attack from the casino. This is the no.1 fallacy in ALL forms of gambling, not just online casinos.

I've even been accused by horse racing customers of being in on the "bookmaker's bias" at betting shops, as though I've somehow been involved in race fixing and purposely favoured losing bets!!! ...Sounds stupid, but that's just a typical bad loser response.

"Pub" fruit machines (or AWP's) intentionally run on a cycle of take/give/take/give etc. They can be easily manipulated, even with their 70-80% pay-outs. If a card game such as blackjack at 99.5% payout was programmed to be "streaky" in even the slightest way, the player abuse received by the casino hosting the game would be carnage!

Online casinos usually state in their T&C's of each game something like "each spin/bet/game is independent of previous spin/bet/games" - This is also known as "Fixed-Odds".

When any game claiming to be fixed odds, was programmed not to be so (IE: streaky), this is fraud.
 
I agree with you to a certain extent, that is until the program re-evaluates your play/bet patterns and then it re-adjusts itself accordingly...

Like fruities do? Part of most fruit machine "emptier" methods involve adopting a play style to "make the machine happy". This would be just as possible with online casino software.

(Sorry about the language :o )
 
Shame.

From the "other side of the counter", I have never seen a customer's betting system that I would ever want to discourage. And off course (as you would mathematically expect) the odd guy will maintain a winning period for an indefinite amount of time.

There are more optimal and less optimal ways to bet. The best way to reduce the certainty of being ground down by the house edge is to increase your likely variance and hope for a bit of luck.

FWIW, I had a good year last year and a better year this year. I must admit, I am guilty of chasing when I gamble, which makes me very likely to come out of each session on top, but at the expense of a smaller risk of greater ruin.

I'd have been interested to compare strategies, as by chasing, I will increase stakes after a "cold run". I'd like to have known if you play anything like this yourself and put your winnings down to a successful system.

Personally, I am aware that I could end up playing a dangerous game, but have been fortunate enough, that my float has seen me through the losses enough to eventually come out winning the majority of the time.

I don't fool myself that I have a winning system. I am well aware of the risks I have taken at a large stake. I could even use my past two years of staking strategy (at lower denominations) to prove a winning strategy.

But I am not so naive.

I've had a good couple of years lately, just as I've had a bad couple of years before. At the moment, my good couple of years more than makes up for past losses (especially if I include every sports bet I've ever placed).

But if I look at my casino gambling, it could easily have gone the other way if select wins from my history were removed.

Maybe, I have been manipulating software without being aware of it.

After all, increasing stakes on BJ after each loss, does actually slightly reduce the house edge. If we consider the small likelihood of deck composition improving for the player after a loss, then perhaps I've been advantage betting all this time without realising it.

But hey, I know I've also been lucky here and there.

I'd very much enjoy a discussion about this. After all, I did say that I am a bit agnostic about casino software manipulation.

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P.S: despite what I said earlier, MG "pub slots" blatantly do deviate from the "every spin is independent" promise, despite the fact that it says so in the short write-up next to the screen-shot at game selection (but I've always considered that to be an slight misquote with the "hotnessmeter" (?) thingy). This is actually somewhat manipulatable at some casinos in certain situations. But as with bonus scraping, not something I can be bothered with these days.

The more general casino games and their programming, I very much enjoy discussing. Though I will find it very hard to fathom why they would be on a cycle. Take a fair game with a house edge and add in some compulsive gamblers and the casino has a winning formula in the long run. Why would they instead risk being exposed to workable systems, when the total payout % would still be apparently the same. And why would so many casinos illegally break the customers contract, by not giving a fair game?

I know some have done, and surely some more do. But, why a well known, popular, profitable casino would feel the need is a mystery.
 
...There are more optimal and less optimal ways to bet. The best way to reduce the certainty of being ground down by the house edge is to increase your likely variance and hope for a bit of luck.

FWIW, I had a good year last year and a better year this year. I must admit, I am guilty of chasing when I gamble, which makes me very likely to come out of each session on top, but at the expense of a smaller risk of greater ruin.

I'd have been interested to compare strategies, as by chasing, I will increase stakes after a "cold run". I'd like to have known if you play anything like this yourself and put your winnings down to a successful system.

Personally, I am aware that I could end up playing a dangerous game, but have been fortunate enough, that my float has seen me through the losses enough to eventually come out winning the majority of the time.

I don't fool myself that I have a winning system. I am well aware of the risks I have taken at a large stake. I could even use my past two years of staking strategy (at lower denominations) to prove a winning strategy.

But I am not so naive.

I've had a good couple of years lately, just as I've had a bad couple of years before. At the moment, my good couple of years more than makes up for past losses (especially if I include every sports bet I've ever placed).

But if I look at my casino gambling, it could easily have gone the other way if select wins from my history were removed.

Maybe, I have been manipulating software without being aware of it.

After all, increasing stakes on BJ after each loss, does actually slightly reduce the house edge. If we consider the small likelihood of deck composition improving for the player after a loss, then perhaps I've been advantage betting all this time without realising it.

But hey, I know I've also been lucky here and there.

I'd very much enjoy a discussion about this. After all, I did say that I am a bit agnostic about casino software manipulation.

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P.S: despite what I said earlier, MG "pub slots" blatantly do deviate from the "every spin is independent" promise, despite the fact that it says so in the short write-up next to the screen-shot at game selection (but I've always considered that to be an slight misquote with the "hotnessmeter" (?) thingy). This is actually somewhat manipulatable at some casinos in certain situations. But as with bonus scraping, not something I can be bothered with these days.

The more general casino games and their programming, I very much enjoy discussing. Though I will find it very hard to fathom why they would be on a cycle. Take a fair game with a house edge and add in some compulsive gamblers and the casino has a winning formula in the long run. Why would they instead risk being exposed to workable systems, when the total payout % would still be apparently the same. And why would so many casinos illegally break the customers contract, by not giving a fair game?

I know some have done, and surely some more do. But, why a well known, popular, profitable casino would feel the need is a mystery.
Pubjoe, you express MY opinion so much better than I am capable of doing myself! :o

Thanks! :notworthy
 
Pubjoe, you express MY opinion so much better than I am capable of doing myself! :o

Thanks! :notworthy

Thanks. Although I think my opinion might differ a little from yours in that I do believe that every individual bet I've made on an online random game has been a "bad bet" in expected return (barring bonuses).

I could have have made the exact same bets, but clicked the mouse button at a different millisecond, and my whole outcome would be completely different (and likely in the negative).
 
I must admit i find 3dice slots real tight. Even with a few of the bonus rounds they seem to pay very little. But i have found that with other gaming sites i play at also. I have 2 rtg never cashed out of one i never hit a bonus round after 27 deposits or once even over my deposit. I have 7 mg casinos and 3
are always dead for me no matter what the bet or game i play. I was more upset with 3d with their loyalty plan if they are going to have one it seemed they had set it up to be on terms i just didnt like so i stopped depositing.
I have had few cashouts with them some nice once more so mostly i donate but that is online gaming. As they add new games and have changed the loyalty plan i will deposit off and on.
 
If Streak = hot and cold runs.

A high % pay-out game that is programmed to be deliberately streaky would be victim to simple betting patterns that could manipulate this cycle of behaviour.

NO! You are hnot into programming I see! The streaks are in relation with the balancing system! There are 3 sets of randomness compared to the reels would be one example, good - normal - bad. Depending on your overall payout % you get your RNG numbers. You cannot manipulate this since you cannot win against a 95% payout. If you have +95% you simply don't get the streaky RNG-strain, hence you cannot manipulate it!

If - on the other hand - it is land based - you can - since you can leave the system and come back after other people has played. I have a feeling online you play against yourself, which really makes it impossible.
 
From the "other side of the counter", I have never seen a customer's betting system that I would ever want to discourage. And off course (as you would mathematically expect) the odd guy will maintain a winning period for an indefinite amount of time.

There are more optimal and less optimal ways to bet. The best way to reduce the certainty of being ground down by the house edge is to increase your likely variance and hope for a bit of luck.

Theese are insane advices in my opinion, especially if you are a gambler as you say you are! By now playing slots you must be aware that higher denominations has a totally different payout scheme, if they have not I have busted $100.000 at Casino Cosmopol in Guthenburg on their slots seing an illusion!

I have had the fortune of talking to people in the business, and people working the casino being "salesmen" and being "technicians". It's funny how the information changes. Video slots with denominations all have balancing schemes, the more I play and the more I read and hear I am sure of this.

The only thing you can be sure of - The lower you waher the more you win - however you win nothing of interest - however you can sit all night wagering and have free drinks (I am talking B&M here). If you increase betting you will start taking chances and most likely loose, or win something that is accually worth anything!

There could be skill in video-slots, but there is not it seems. If the system isn't ready to give you the wins - you wont get them! You can play forever, or until the system has to give it - then you win whatever you bet, bet 1 line and you get the best win possible on that line again and again to the balancing is "out". However - getting there at the right time, that is fun!

We still get the expected payout in the end - so no faul play really.
 
NO! You are hnot into programming I see! The streaks are in relation with the balancing system! There are 3 sets of randomness compared to the reels would be one example, good - normal - bad. Depending on your overall payout % you get your RNG numbers. You cannot manipulate this since you cannot win against a 95% payout. If you have +95% you simply don't get the streaky RNG-strain, hence you cannot manipulate it!

If - on the other hand - it is land based - you can - since you can leave the system and come back after other people has played. I have a feeling online you play against yourself, which really makes it impossible.

Maybe, I made my posts too long. But I am saying I don't believe that an intentional streak on a random game exists. Is that what you're disagreeing with?

I do not believe that your whole future's play on one game is predetermined at the time that you open the account. It does not systematically keep a set % payout in check. For example, I have played an astronomical amount of VP hands over the years, but due to changes of stake to maximise varience, I am far, far from the expected return.

I actually had this belief recently confirmed (on chartwell software at least) when I hit a 20,000 royal at Stan James and it increased their advertised year's 4-play JoB payouts from 97% to 99.9%
 
Theese are insane advices in my opinion, especially if you are a gambler as you say you are! By now playing slots you must be aware that higher denominations has a totally different payout scheme, if they have not I have busted $100.000 at Casino Cosmopol in Guthenburg on their slots seing an illusion!

I have had the fortune of talking to people in the business, and people working the casino being "salesmen" and being "technicians". It's funny how the information changes. Video slots with denominations all have balancing schemes, the more I play and the more I read and hear I am sure of this.

The only thing you can be sure of - The lower you waher the more you win - however you win nothing of interest - however you can sit all night wagering and have free drinks (I am talking B&M here). If you increase betting you will start taking chances and most likely loose, or win something that is accually worth anything!

There could be skill in video-slots, but there is not it seems. If the system isn't ready to give you the wins - you wont get them! You can play forever, or until the system has to give it - then you win whatever you bet, bet 1 line and you get the best win possible on that line again and again to the balancing is "out". However - getting there at the right time, that is fun!

We still get the expected payout in the end - so no faul play really.

Advice? I'm merely stating the difference between high variance and low variance, to point out that no one wins by using a "system", the occasional player merely wins due to variance and nothing else. Neither high nor low variance have any different expected value to the customer, but one is certain to lose. For example, A: a 370 bet on one roulette number, or B: a 10 bet on every number ...Despite one of them being high risk... The other is guaranteed to lose ≈2.7% on every bet.

Most people on bet B will lose but the occasional lucky punter will do well. But both bets A and B have the exact same expected return.

I stated, I am all to aware of the risks playing at high variance. I am by no means "advising" ANYONE to do the same. Personally, I have allways been a bit of an addict anyway and I would not wish to put that on anyone.

If you truly enjoy betting for extended periods on low variance at a guaranteed cost for your entertainment. Then fine.

The only thing you can be sure of - The lower you waher the more you win
So you are calling rigged? Of where are you referring? This is a serious allegation and unfortunately it does sometimes exist.
 
:)

Maybe, I made my posts too long. But I am saying I don't believe that a intentional streak on a random game exists. Is that what you're disagreeing with.

Yes - that is my argument.

I do not believe that your whole future's play on one game is predetermined at the time that you open the account. It does not systematically keep a set % payout in check. For example, I have played an astronomical amount of VP hands over the years, but due to changes of stake to maximise varience, I am far, far from the expected return.

It doesn't need to be! Within the "bad" streak there will still be good wins, however just that it will mainly suck you down. Like in the good streak the wins in general outweights your betting so you get a positive balance. (Like you need 20 one dollar spins to win $10. However in a good streak you get lot's if $2 wins during the 20 spins, so in the end your balance increases, other way around with bad streak).

So in my scenario, you can still win - however the odds are "balanced" so that you really shouldn't. Sure you might have luck. When you have lost by far to much, the system will give you a push in the right direction and you get those great wins again - and CS can confirm and greet you with happyness!

I also belive that online accounts share one memory, while a B&M slot shares the memory of all their players. What I mean - you play a slot todag - and wait a day and continue - you continue where you left off - nobody played in between.

This is my simplest explernation without putting to many levels of conditional statements into affect, since you could have "random balancing schemes" into affect aswell, making the system appear random only giving the user super bad luck, often followed by 95% of super good luck, :D
 
But a true RNG has no memory.

If I believe that not to be the case in any casino, I would not play there (except to perhaps manipulate it's predictability if it wasn't for the fact that a casino using fixed results would just as likely not pay out!). I have played at a lot of (trusted) casinos for a lot of time and have not ever personally experienced "fixed results", "balancing" or "streaks", yet unfortunately, I have heard of those famous cases of fixing (which I do believe).

If a %age is kept in check, then the routine would have to be programmed with a cap on how far wins can deviate, or with some sort of incremental probability of swing. I stand by the fact that this could be manipulated in exactly the same way as land fruit machines can. It's just that you would not be able to return to that particular game if it were true to expect some balancing out.

I've experienced the "incriminating" spells of bad luck, but I've also experienced the reverse. IE: I have joined a casino as a new player, played at high stakes and done very well. Are you saying that on my return to that particular casino, if I played the same game, I should have expected a disadvantageous game? If I returned at low stakes, I suppose I could expect to get severely raped while it "balances" itself out?

[edit] ...And also, by your logic, if I was to return today, to all the casinos where I have ever lost a large amount with a very poor average payout %, I would have an amazingly successful day. That would most certainly be manipulation.

I just don't buy it. At least, not if I trust the casino to give a fair game. ...And I just don't see any purpose in programming a complicated routine of intentional mind games. Not when a truly random game with a house advantage has exactly the right balance in natural variance to send a compulsive gambler into a haze of misguided belief anyway. It has worked this way very successfully for many a century and it works so well because there is no routine, there is no pattern, there is no system, there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

If online games worked like AWPs, there would not be many long term customers.

(Oh, for the record, I have never played at 3dice. I mainly play at a few MG and chartwell casinos.)
 
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RE: "at lower denominations"...

When I used the word "denomination", earlier, I meant it in the true definition of the word. I wasn't referring to video slot coin denominations, so please disregard difference in pay tables. I was musing on creating a pseudo strategy, by taking my typical bet size but scaling it down. Just to make things crystal clear - I don't actually believe in any value in a staking system as this - I was merely pointing out that I am aware I can gamble/chase like an idiot - but many systems are just as idiotic. Any long term wins gained by either are purely coincidence and are a fluke of variance.
 
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But a true RNG has no memory.

True, but I do not belive any video slot operates with a true RNG, it does operate with something that can be hold in court if the thing is promoted as if it were true RNG. Video slots simply isn't true RNG, just like more and more of the makers are rebranding the slots to become "entertainment machines" instead.

Are you saying that on my return to that particular casino, if I played the same game, I should have expected a disadvantageous game? If I returned at low stakes, I suppose I could expect to get severely raped while it "balances" itself out?

I do not belive the games to run seperately. Just like if you loose big in one game, and switch game you are likely to win. Do this over again and again and you will have big payouts on one machine while one kills you - just as we players play in "patterns" you will see the same payout patterns. Atleast my gameplay shows this. You will also be able to "skew" what slots you are winning at.

Taken my simple explernation, to make a simple theory as an example.

Say you have a true RNG. Say we precalculate a complete cycle, which is true RNG in its true meaning. We do this so that any checking in the results will only proove bad louck or extremely luck.

Then we devide the strain of RNG into 3 strains, one containing a very bad streak in total - still containing great wins however! Create a medium strain and a winning strain.

Any slot will balance the same way, feeding you one of the different strains.

This slot will also be 100% random - however balanced, rigged or what you want to call it. This system would also be very good to sell because:

1. You can ensure the players a great experience, since most players get a winning streak, however the catch is you get obvious loosing streaks aswell. In the end you get promoted payout.
2. The strains could be primed so that jackpot does't go at once, so that the casinos most likely don't start up with paying the jackpot.

Atleast this is the way I would make the casino, and there is no chance in hell you could detect it - except that it looks very apparent at the top - just like the online casinos does!

If you get my point here, you can still win - however not likely! If you loose to much, you are guaranteed to win since the system won't allow any users to have a 50% payout over a long duration!

Maby we the players demand the industry to make the systems like this, maby it is a self fullfilling prophesy, I do not know. But the argument is that theese slots are true RNG and not balanced at all! We also have no clue why we can only have one account at the casino, I would be much more happy if I could create a new account each time I wager - then I know the system won't use previous history to do anything!

Remember we are in the computer age - and data is power! Why even have the playcheck data if not used for anything, it simply doesn't work that way! In any business real people will corrupt everything, if I would do it - why wouldn't they?

All experience I have with slots, and from the gaming industry here in norway who at a stage had reprogrammed vegas slots in the stall - have programmable motherboards. If they do - are we to belive the online industry with even more computing power, and possibility to endless and seamless updates in the background - they are not supposed to do?

A machine should pay out the expected payout - aslong as they do this I guess everyone is happy, atleast in the business that checks them.

Coffe time!
 
if what you were suggesting is true, the following would be possible:

kimss casino RNG - manipulator

1. Open accounts at 100 casinos.
2. Pay 100 games on high stakes at each.
3. Withdraw from winning accounts.
4. return to losing accounts and replay at low stakes.
5. Await for "balancing".
6. Retire.

But honestly, that just wouldn't happen.

Balancing would not be undetectable , it would be detectable from a mile away.

Why go to the effort (while breaking law) anyway? When the majority of punters already believe in the non-existent streak pattern.

It's much more effective for a casino to inspire a gamblers loss of better sense and control by leaving them to chase the white rabbit.
 
I must admit i find 3dice slots real tight. Even with a few of the bonus rounds they seem to pay very little. But i have found that with other gaming sites i play at also. I have 2 rtg never cashed out of one i never hit a bonus round after 27 deposits or once even over my deposit. I have 7 mg casinos and 3
are always dead for me no matter what the bet or game i play. I was more upset with 3d with their loyalty plan if they are going to have one it seemed they had set it up to be on terms i just didnt like so i stopped depositing.
I have had few cashouts with them some nice once more so mostly i donate but that is online gaming. As they add new games and have changed the loyalty plan i will deposit off and on.

Lauram,

I would have understood if you didnt get a single cashout from 27 deposits at the 2 RTGs but 27 deposits with no bonus rounds. Now that really is something.
 

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