No more 3dice for me :)!!

[catrina m]

I looked at 3D today and noticed I had enough comp points to get $10.

I played the new slot payola. I have to admit it is a unique slot. Very good design. I noticed on a mouse over of the slots it would say high variance, very high, medium etc. At least they are warning you of high variance slots now. The payola slot was listed as medium but it wasted no time taking my money. Only saw the free spins once with not much return.

I did notice you can win 78 free spins.

You can't play long enough to see it unless you deposit big. Normal 3D session. Money doesn't last long there.

 

[RobWin]

How many threads does this make in the past year here regarding 3Dice ??

It has got to be the most controversial online casino of all time in both good and bad aspects...

But good as far as free marketing goes in online searches though !!

 

[sparkles]

I wish

mine was only 31 deposits, its bizarre, just bizzare!!!, I just went up bonus scale again, I have a feeling the status is going to go down with a thud now

 

[silcnlayc]

I did notice you can win 78 free spins.

Got this a few times, max win around $25 on $1.20 -$1.40 bet..very lousy payout..for that kind of play IMO....why not just do 5-10-15-20-25 spins and up the win amount per spin??? It would be more enticing instead of sitting and being bored to death...praying you just might get to $50 this time...lmao..

 

[cynthial]

78 spins at $1.20 - $1.40 each and end up with around $25.00? Painful. Almost enough to make you pray you DON"T hit the bonus feature. Pathetic! And you are not alone Silc. And this is not an abnormal bonus round at 3 dice. At least not for me and mine. Oh well, moving on.

 

[suzecat]

Is it just me, did I miss some Enzo posts? Doesn't seem like he's been around the forum lately, and I used to see him everyday. What gives? Seems like he'd address these player concerns.

 

[jas2587]

Enzo comes here to WTG the 3Dice screen shots
an only the 3Dice screenshots
he lets others do his talkin

Cindy

 

[suzecat]

Enzo comes here to WTG the 3Dice screen shots
an only the 3Dice screenshots
he lets others do his talkin

Cindy

Oh ok jas! Sure to have missed that cuz I don't spend much time in winner SS............either posting or WTGing!

 

[luckydawg]

Didnt Dr Jacobson do a BlackJack audit already?

Why would any casino rep want to post in this nest of vipers??

 

[same_old]

Didnt Dr Jacobson do a BlackJack audit already?

Why would any casino rep want to post in this nest of vipers??

I don't see how all that is happeing here, We are only requesting inforamtion that any other casino would have readily available. with Dr Jackobson, he did do an audit on a fellow cm memebers account which did show to be a fair game as stated by a rebutable person.

I'am not disputing that AT ALL, My concern is how many people think the same exact thing as I do, They can change betting limit's to individual accounts but can not give a proper play log of someone's account. I would think this is one of the first things they should do when operating online casino to make sure everything is on the up and up. They have been asked repeated times for clients play logs but so far there is no response to those queries.

These are normal questions anybody would ask and i dont feel there is viper tactics going on. If you see we can not speak highly enough about there customer support.

 

[jas2587]

Because we as customers ask questions
an they should provide the answers


an I am not just referring to 3dice on this answer
there are alot of players asking questions of
MG Rival RTG ETC. an to me
they cant answer the questions
that are put before them then
I will play elsewhere
where I am treated as Someone

not a casino account#
as a Person

Cindy

 

[KasinoKing]

Why would any casino rep want to post in this nest of vipers??

Good point!
Enzo would just come here and swear their games are fair, all the unhappy players would insist they're rigged and it would just end up as one big ugly argument.
So I'm not really surprised he's stayed away, he's probably got much better things to do with his time.
KK

 

[Pinababy69]

They can change betting limit's to individual accounts but can not give a proper play log of someone's account.

Same_Old...changing the betting limits on a player's account is not unique to 3Dice, and is totally irrelevant. However, the player logs are something else, and I do agree that any and all softwares should be able to provide a player with their logs upon request.

As to the fairness of the games, slots in particular...I agree with KK 110%. It is pointless for Enzo, or any other casino operator to come on here and make a statement that "our games are fair". It will take exactly the course that KK has predicted. Losing while playing slots is hardly a revelation, even for extended periods of time. If I played every day, I would lose also..way more than I wanted to, or could afford to. If you play slots long enough and for extended periods, you are going to lose. And you are going to run into "dry spells" where you won't even come close to winning for what seems like an eternity. Well, except for KK....he's some kind of "slot freak".

As to the 3Dice Blackjack, I also would like to see the audit results, and have spoken to Enzo about this myself (for myself).

If anyone is unhappy, unlucky, pissed off or feels that they are not getting a fair game....whether that be from 3Dice, RTG, MG, Rival, Crypto or any other proprietary software....then STOP!!! Stop depositing, stop throwing good money after bad. Complaining on this forum or any other, while it may help you to vent...is not going to resolve anything for you. The only way to really make a point is to stop giving a casino your business. Cut off the money supply, that's the bottom line.

I can also tell you that if the day ever comes when I truly believe that I am being ripped off, or that the games aren't fair/random/whatever.......I will no longer play. I won't post about closing accounts, and unless I have concrete "proof" and not just suspicion, I won't be posting that any software is rigged either.

Do I believe that online casinos have the ability to tweak their software if they so desire? Yes I do. But personally, I do not feel that anything has changed in close to 8 years of online gaming, not for me. If anything, the software has improved drastically. And I have never truly felt cheated. Bad sessions, long losing streaks, bad luck....yes. But cheated? Never. And I never forget the very large wins I've had also. In the end, it balances out.

Winbig said it best....it's discipline and money management.

 

[same_old]

Very good point pinababy, thank you for that.

So you think I shouldnt have posted I closed my account and just leave it to myself???.

 

[Pinababy69]

Very good point pinababy, thank you for that.

So you think I shouldnt have posted I closed my account and just leave it to myself???.

No Same_old, that's a personal choice, and totally up to you. Not trying to tell you what to do....just giving my own opinion. Like I said, if venting makes you feel better, by all means go ahead. I just don't believe it will accomplish anything that's all. And you've seen how these 3Dice threads turn. I'd just rather see if something can get accomplished. Like the points you've brought up re: player logs and audits.

Maybe I shouldn't have said anything....I don't want anyone to think they shouldn't post their opinion.....because everyone is entitled to do that. I was just trying to give mine. I know I don't always come across the way I mean to.

 

[same_old]

No you came across fine pina .. Yes I do see what you are saying I personally like all the different aspects you all talk about because it gives me different angles to view the issues. both you and KK had some really good points, If I had stuck to the main topics, player logs etc then we may get somewhere.


hmmm thining thinking thinking!!

 

[NASHVEGAS]

As to the 3Dice Blackjack, I also would like to see the audit results, and have spoken to Enzo about this myself (for myself).

I thought you may have seen them for the 10 minutes they stay posted.....Anyway, I have an over 100 page presentation that reflects poorly on just about everybody involved.....I believe you could read between the lines to see the truth....I also have the original log files and all the e-mails indicating how uncooperative 3 DICE was.

Each will have to decide for him/herself.

BTW, fair does not mean fair necessarily in the online world. The Wiz will not as a general policy I presume even look at an issue as I understand unless it has a 1 in 10000 chance of occurring. So I guess it is fair if it only has a 1 in 7000 chance of occurring day after day

 

[chuchu59]

A 1 in 10,000 chance of occuring. How about 2 consecutive sessions at 1 in a hundred?

 

[steinhaug]

A 1 in 10,000 chance of occuring. How about 2 consecutive sessions at 1 in a hundred?

And again... What if you are playing against yourself? It would not be 2 sessions at all, just the same session you desided to "pause". Eventually you will get past the badness and get to the happiness! If you break it up while in one of the 1/million badness you could try to get 10 of theese in a row!

People should start capturing the screen when playing BJ! Try Camtasia! I do not have the bankroll to do this just to experience loosing, so someone who stills play BJ online would have to do it - but please do so we all can see that we are not the only one getting theese incredible hands!

 

[pubjoe]

NB: I vote Betty, hands down. Ginger pubes? No thanks.

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I haven't posted here much (I'm still intending to do an "introduce yourself" thread), but I've been enjoying reading these boards lately and had some advice from them too.

I am 29 years old, I have about 5 years online gambling experience and have been "live" betting for about 15 years (since well before I should have been able to pass for 18). I have spent most of my work life in bookmakers and amusement arcades, I've served 100,000s of betting customers, talk regularly to many gambling friends and I experienced all forms of gambling first hand extensively.

I have gambled from 2p per spin on video slots all the way up to 100 per bet on VP or 3-card-pair-plus and 1,000 a hand blackjack (with splits and doubles on those stakes!).

I've had years of bad luck and years of good luck. I have flat-bet like a saint, progressively bet, and chased marty losses like a nutter. I have been sensible, an idiot, addicted, sick, an advisor, a tipster, an anti-gambler, I've even been to GA meetings before, gone for 6 Months with no betting ...and then repeated the cycle (which I'm sure I will again and again through my life) ...I am infamous to my friends as a gambler, but a trustworthy one. I have had close friends (well two) who have phoned me to "sell" me their 4-to-a-royal in exchange for a good price for their pat flush ...And I've trusted their commentary over the phone. ...I feel like I've seen, and experienced it all, and no gambling tales, but the most extreme[/i] longshot, would ever surprise me.

...and I've read nothing in these pages that come even slightly close

I've been a doubter, a sceptic in the past, and with more experience, I trust the good online casinos. ...To be totally honest, with more experience still, I suppose now I am maybe 1% agnostic with this trust.

I have had 5 dealer blackjacks against me, I believe these odds are somewhere near 2,000,000 to 1. I have been at 100 per hand on pair-plus and seen the dealer get 2 straight flushes and 1 3oak against me within 5 hands, I've had the fucking dealer "checking for blackjack" around 20 times in a row and been destroyed everytime.

...and I do not doubt a fair game

a 2,000,000 to 1 blackjack shot going against me? ...Well, I suppose I've played ...I dunno ...Maybe 200,0000 to 500,000 hands of blackjack (or more). So having that happen to me is at most a 10-1 shot. If it had been 7 bj's against me at almost a billion to one (considering deck composition), I could rationalise it at being a maybe 1,000 to 1 chance of happening one day in the last few years.

I very much enjoy reading these threads and fair play to same_old for getting rid of a casino she doesn't like. What better reason could you find?

But please remember people, if you have gambled extensively, you will see extreme rarities from time to time, if you didn't, it would be unusual.

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To address a couple of the above complaints:

The 31 deposits in a row losing and still being up from previous big slot wins:

Imo, that's slots for ya. Simple as. ...and the nicer side of them too.

The 200,000 to one 3-card-poker shot (simulations SF's):
Please, you said you usually play 3cp, your going to see it one day I'm afraid.

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If anyone has read this far. Thank you very much for reading, I've got to put my boy to bed now, so I apologise for the many spelling and grammar errors that are bound to be in this post!

P.S. A streaky "RNG" is manipulatable, and more importantly, it is not a fair fixed-odds game. It's soo easy to see good and bad runs as hot and cold streaks, especially when they are stretched out for long, long periods. But in good casino software, they cannot viably exist.

"Streaks" would NOT milk more players at all. They would expose the games to manipulation. Fruit machine manipulation is something that I have a lot of experience in from both sides. But fruit machines are programmed differently than casino games (by law) and are far easier for operators to "keep an eye on". There is NO WAY that casinos operators would expose their card games to even a slither of predictability. If they did, they would be abused far more seriously than the occasional lucky forumite who "has a system".

Cheers.

 

[RobWin]

P.S. A streaky "RNG" is manipulatable, and more importantly, it is not a fair fixed-odds game. It's soo easy to see good and bad runs as hot and cold streaks, especially when they are stretched out for long, long periods. But in good casino software, they cannot viably exist.

Cheers.

Please elaborate on those statements...

 

[pubjoe]

Please elaborate on those statements...

If Streak = hot and cold runs.

A high % pay-out game that is programmed to be deliberately streaky would be victim to simple betting patterns that could manipulate this cycle of behaviour.

Many people after a long spell of good or bad gambling luck, consider these periods to be an intentional personal attack from the casino. This is the no.1 fallacy in ALL forms of gambling, not just online casinos.

I've even been accused by horse racing customers of being in on the "bookmaker's bias" at betting shops, as though I've somehow been involved in race fixing and purposely favoured losing bets!!! ...Sounds stupid, but that's just a typical bad loser response.

"Pub" fruit machines (or AWP's) intentionally run on a cycle of take/give/take/give etc. They can be easily manipulated, even with their 70-80% pay-outs. If a card game such as blackjack at 99.5% payout was programmed to be "streaky" in even the slightest way, the player abuse received by the casino hosting the game would be carnage!

Online casinos usually state in their T&C's of each game something like "each spin/bet/game is independent of previous spin/bet/games" - This is also known as "Fixed-Odds".

When any game claiming to be fixed odds, was programmed not to be so (IE: streaky), this is fraud.

 

[Casinomeister]

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[RobWin]

If Streak = hot and cold runs.

A high % pay-out game that is programmed to be deliberately streaky would be victim to simple betting patterns that could manipulate this cycle of behaviour.

I agree with you to a certain extent, that is until the program re-evaluates your play/bet patterns and then it re-adjusts itself accordingly...

 

[winbig]

Just curious,


How can any casino be accredited without going through an independent audit regarding payout %, RNG check, etc?