No Cardpay?(US PLayer's Dumped Again)

[EbeeDog]

If they don't restore a cardpay service or replace it with something like Bitcoin, they may as well just cut and run - the amount of money they are losing must be staggering.

I can't pretend to know the reasons the processors can still accept deposits but can't be used to pay out.

I am still playing but I switched to a burner Visa and will use the check option - for as long as that holds water.

Every time I deposit, I go in with my eyes wide open to the very real possibility that any day now, I will log on and find that POOF, there is no more casino. Or, that the checks are no good.

The trust, integrity and security built up these sites has been blasted forever by their gross mishandling of this affair.

Please note: I do not blame any rep anywhere. The decisions to stall and misinform players are executive and the reps can't say anything except the usual stock replies to queries.

This is going to go down as one of the clumsiest, irresponsible f-ups in i-gaming history and it's repercussions are going to be industry wide.

 

[Deanna]

If they don't restore a cardpay service or replace it with something like Bitcoin, they may as well just cut and run - the amount of money they are losing must be staggering.

I can't pretend to know the reasons the processors can still accept deposits but can't be used to pay out.

I am still playing but I switched to a burner Visa and will use the check option - for as long as that holds water.

Every time I deposit, I go in with my eyes wide open to the very real possibility that any day now, I will log on and find that POOF, there is no more casino. Or, that the checks are no good.

The trust, integrity and security built up these sites has been blasted forever by their gross mishandling of this affair.

Please note: I do not blame any rep anywhere. The decisions to stall and misinform players are executive and the reps can't say anything except the usual stock replies to queries.

This is going to go down as one of the clumsiest, irresponsible f-ups in i-gaming history and it's repercussions are going to be industry wide.

I don't think I've deposited with the CWC group in a month now because of all this. It was my favorite place to play and I do miss it but...like I said before, the other options aren't good for me so if Cardforce/PaymyCard doesn't return I won't be playing there ever again. Sad but true. I've been playing a lot at Uptown Aces only because I figure if I do get a cash out I'll be happy to try the bitcoin route and see what happens. Unfortunately every time I get to $5-$600 everything turns to crap. LOL

I agree on the "maintenance" comment. "Maintenance" to me just means "We don't know what to tell you because we can't tell you what's really going on". I don't know why I feel that way but I do. I love Karolina and the CWC group and I'm sure their hands are tied which must be very frustrating to them also. But man, I agree that I can't imagine the amount of money they are losing in deposits. Ouch!

 

[EbeeDog]

Then WD at 450.00 .....DOH!

Besides, I wanna know from "Queen Bitcoin" how the WD's work out

I just put in a WD from Lucky Red for 300.00 - They are so cool to talk to I hope they get it straightened out because, in spite of all my bitching, I still think they have the best CR's around.

Forgot: The WD is by check and it worked ok with Slotastic.

 

[Stovetopp]

Check with Karolina to make sure. I did not have a "swift" code and was still able to do the transaction. Granted, my bank is not a credit union, so there may be a big difference there.

I dont think US Bank require a SWIFT code.... I am positive because earlier I used to get bank wires and never knew what a swift code was

i STOPPED using bank wires for 3 reasons

Its THE MOST EXPENSIVE
I have not won enough to consider that option!!
And lastly, for wire transfers, its beyond me why it takes longer than all the other options

 

[Tillis]

Where is Karolina?

Where is our favorite rep from CWC group? Is there anything concrete that the group can give us on the CardPay? Don't want to hear it 'may be back up', or 'maintenance is ongoing', etc. Just be straight up with the customers you have hanging in here and waiting for a straightforward answer on this one. I'd just like to see the blunt truth, so we can either move on, or tell us what you have in mind besides the quirky payout methods.

Yes? Karolina? Are we still important to the group, or are the USA players just too risky to mess with?

Thanks
Tillis

 

[weesie]

I was curious about this too....

Tillis beat me to it!

Would like to start playing CWC group again but really need this withdrawal option!

 

[Nightfly]

I'm trying to stay loyal in spite of all this. Made a few deposits in the aftermath with CWG. Hope things turn around soon.

 

[EbeeDog]

Where is our favorite rep from CWC group? Is there anything concrete that the group can give us on the CardPay? Don't want to hear it 'may be back up', or 'maintenance is ongoing', etc. Just be straight up with the customers you have hanging in here and waiting for a straightforward answer on this one. I'd just like to see the blunt truth, so we can either move on, or tell us what you have in mind besides the quirky payout methods.

Yes? Karolina? Are we still important to the group, or are the USA players just too risky to mess with?

Thanks
Tillis

I don't think she can really say anything so I'm not going to ask her questions that will get the same old answers.

At least she has posted and responded previously to this thread - nobody else has. She can't tell you what she doesn't know or is not allowed to say.

Edit: Still waiting on check from WD initiated Monday. This is f'n stupid.

 

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[Stovetopp]

Its not only the CWCgroup that does not now have the cardpay.
The Jackpot Capital Group used to have the cardpay too but it has been discontinued so far at or about the same time CWC Group stopped!

It was a good withdrawal system fast and inexpensive ! So don't blame KAROLINA !!

She did and still is doing a remarkable job!

 

[MaryJean]

I received this offer from Exclusive today. It is an RTG casino.

It may be a substitute for Cd2P.....I haven't checked into it at all.

I thought you all might be interested.

MaryJean

 

[shewoff]

MaryJean you hit on the head with this ad from a casino? But is it a viable alternative or just for this casino?
This whole thing is because of RTG and the mat. let down? And it is a let down.

But it also show's that in the online gaming casino's group's or individual's the need is there to process win's. Like if you snooze you lose! And somebody create's a new option for WD's.

It has been far too long NOW.For any thing other than to restart cardpay and call it quit's with this bogus line that NOT them(RTG) but the casino's that are RTG have to tell us and to deal with US!

I'm sure of this that I'am owed a WD from one of the cwc site's and if I can get it I will? But today now? I think I may never see my paltry little $150.00usd. But I won it fair and square and as the man said"I Want My Money!"

This whole thing leave's a bad taste in my mouth.They will be sorry for the inaction on the part of the player's?Oh well we will see thou? I'm still winning and getting paid But at other place's.Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

 

[Tillis]

I don't think this is Karolina's fault, and yes she has responded to this thread for us. I am most unhappy that we all didn't receive an email from them warning us of the impending removal of the CardPay withdrawal option. I don't think it took them by surprise and feel that they should have immediately given us 'even a tiny' heads up.

I can't think of what maintenance could cause only CardPay to be removed, and didn't affect other WD options, that I can tell.

So, no I don't think their Support staff had a choice in what they were permitted, by senior management, to share with us. I am disappointed in the higher ups and their decision to be very vague about whats going on, and not advising what similar new payment method will be in place for US players, if any.

Again, this could simply be the way this particular processor says 'No' to US players. So, how about someone explain in a little more detail since the proverbial 'cats outta the bag'?

Tillis

 

[MaryJean]

Exclusive RTG bonuses and payments

MaryJean you hit on the head with this ad from a casino? But is it a viable alternative or just for this casino?
This whole thing is because of RTG and the mat. let down? And it is a let down.

But it also show's that in the online gaming casino's group's or individual's the need is there to process win's. Like if you snooze you lose! And somebody create's a new option for WD's.

It has been far too long NOW.For any thing other than to restart cardpay and call it quit's with this bogus line that NOT them(RTG) but the casino's that are RTG have to tell us and to deal with US!

I'm sure of this that I'am owed a WD from one of the cwc site's and if I can get it I will? But today now? I think I may never see my paltry little $150.00usd. But I won it fair and square and as the man said"I Want My Money!"

This whole thing leave's a bad taste in my mouth.They will be sorry for the inaction on the part of the player's?Oh well we will see thou? I'm still winning and getting paid But at other place's.Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

I thought I'd add that I have been getting paid nicely and regularly from Exculsive by ACH direct to my bank. So far it has been the most reasonably priced and is accepted by my bank.

For this particular casino I don't have a reason to try out this new method, but if Jackpot Capital group ever offer it, it would be worth the
trouble of "trying" to start a new e-wallet. At least that is my thought at this time. This is the only AD I've seen so far.

Jackpot Capital offers Wire or Checks by FedX. Both of which are expensive. You have to win a lot in order to afford to cashout. The Pay2Cd disappeared from all RTGs as far as I can tell. No one said anything nor why...Exclusive did change a withdrawal that I had coded for Pay2Cd to ACH for me without a whimper but no comments!

I'd recommend Exclusive except for their bonuses. If you try them, beware that except for special offers to new players, the bonuses are STICKY, must be played 30 or more times and THEN there is a MAX CASHOUT even though you have made a deposit!

That doesn't set well with me, so I always play without a bonus, but that is probably their motive. Even so that method may be better than alienating their players by sending them letters of BONUS ABUSE!!!!! I recently ABUSED a well known and APPROVED casino for just that reason by deleting them from my computer completely....and I even liked playing there, but I refuse to be insulted like that.

I could even prove I played without bonuses because I had many video poker wins that cannot use bonuses, but they refused to listen, and I refused to beg, so...bye...bye!

If anyone else gets an offer from this new method, I hope they post it and if they try it out, let us know how it goes!

Happy Playing
MaryJean

 

[MaryJean]

PS....Pay2Cd

I thought I'd add that I have been getting paid nicely and regularly from Exculsive by ACH direct to my bank. So far it has been the most reasonably priced and is accepted by my bank.

For this particular casino I don't have a reason to try out this new method, but if Jackpot Capital group ever offer it, it would be worth the
trouble of "trying" to start a new e-wallet. At least that is my thought at this time. This is the only AD I've seen so far.

Jackpot Capital offers Wire or Checks by FedX. Both of which are expensive. You have to win a lot in order to afford to cashout. The Pay2Cd disappeared from all RTGs as far as I can tell. No one said anything nor why...Exclusive did change a withdrawal that I had coded for Pay2Cd to ACH for me without a whimper but no comments!

I'd recommend Exclusive except for their bonuses. If you try them, beware that except for special offers to new players, the bonuses are STICKY, must be played 30 or more times and THEN there is a MAX CASHOUT even though you have made a deposit!

That doesn't set well with me, so I always play without a bonus, but that is probably their motive. Even so that method may be better than alienating their players by sending them letters of BONUS ABUSE!!!!! I recently ABUSED a well known and APPROVED casino for just that reason by deleting them from my computer completely....and I even liked playing there, but I refuse to be insulted like that.

I could even prove I played without bonuses because I had many video poker wins that cannot use bonuses, but they refused to listen, and I refused to beg, so...bye...bye!

If anyone else gets an offer from this new method, I hope they post it and if they try it out, let us know how it goes!

Happy Playing
MaryJean

This is a PS to the above message:

I just "googled" Pay2Cd and there doesn't seem to be any problem with their business. It is up and running for all to come!

MaryJean

 

[Mousey]

This is a PS to the above message:

I just "googled" Pay2Cd and there doesn't seem to be any problem with their business. It is up and running for all to come!

MaryJean

Maybe banks figured out what it was really being used for.

 

[MaryJean]

Could Be

Maybe banks figured out what it was really being used for.

It could be Mousey....with no info from the casinos nor Py2cd there is no way to know.

I did join the UpayCard that Exclusive casino advertised. The sign up is easy up to a point, but they don't explain their codes unless you
go to their FAQ page and run through their "answers"

My question was...and anyone's probably would be....what in the heck do you do with a key card that is "yea numbers" long to enter each time you make a deposit to the casino or wherever.

After joining you find that you have to find a different page to add you credit or debit card number...ok after fumbling around I finally stumbled upon it and got my card entered and verified. They send a .79(or?) entry to your bank and after you check your bank web page you enter that amount to verify that it is you...similar to the other ewallets we've used.

Then they send you a KeyCard code...........42 digits long.....however it is in a .pdf attachment. Open and save the .pdf.!!!!!!!!!!!!

That turns into a page of "UpayCard Key Codes"..........These still look weird..... there are 120 codes divided into three section like cards on
a page. Be sure to print out and save this page.....YOU WILL NEED IT EACH TIME YOU DEPOSIT.

Then I loadedf $100.00 onto the card...this went through ok... with a $2.90 transaction fee.

Instead of taking the $2.90 out of the credit card they reduced my $100 to $97.89........$2.11 difference...they considered the .79cents.

So on to the casino....coded for a deposit of $97.89(which I normally would have made $100) and the casino wanted the UpayCard Key Code.

Here is where I got caught up again, because I didn't know what KeyCode to use....anything I guessed at was wrong...It turns out that the casino had given me a set of numbers and letters that indicated which KeyCode from that printed page I was to use!!!

For instance they said code 3-HO......didn't make a bit of sense to me.....it could only be 6 digits and all of the key codes on that page were over that. So back to UpayCard and their FAQ pages, where I found the answer is, that each keycode is coded with a Number such as the 3-HO or 88-MC or similar. That is the code the casino will give you and they want the code that is next to that code such as 398195 or what ever it is..


So....BE SURE TO SAVE THE PDF FILE ON YOUR COMPUTER AND PRINT OUT THE CODES ON PAPER TO HAVE HANDY FOREVERMORE!

Each code can only be used once....they are coded for YOU only and when you have used about 110 of the 120, Upaycard will send you a new set of numbers that belong only to you. That is their security system.

When you get all through that...you are left with a smaller deposit than you wanted or you must deposit more than you planned to compensate, for their transaction fee.........and who knows how much that will be for any given amount......grrr!

At this point I have no idea what a withdrawal will look like.

Good Luck if you try this. Just be sure you save that pdf file or you will be lost.

So far I haven't seen it on any other casino, but I only use a couple these days.

MaryJean

 

[shewoff]

WOW MaryJean! Was it worth it?

This unfortunately is the world we play in? Even when it seem's they are trying to help it cost us?

I hate to say it but the possibilities of getting the wrong code would be huge? I have to say good on ya, MaryJean. For having the patience to get it done OR even trying to get it done?

I feel that one of these day's it will be legal and we will not have these problem's any more? But when it come's to the almighty dollar. Anything is possible?

It is a real bummer having to sit and wait for what appear's to be the fact? And that is WHERE is cardpay or any of the same processor's that help us to get the hard won WD?

It has been a long time to ask any one to wait? I do wish that something would happen? Whether it is good or bad just do something? We have to wait and to most player's waiting is our GAME? Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

 

[cheetahwind]

UPay Card is also available at Extreme, but not any actual CM affiliate casino as far as I can see.

Really honestly, as said before. After how many eWallets have come and go for US players. Why trust any eWallet that has only been around for less than a year. If they've been in business for at least a year and no issues come up. Then sure a few might be alright to sign up.

Honestly I blame it all of the fraudsters and politicians that exist here in the US for all of the money movement issues were having with online gaming.

Fraudsters because they have no soul when it comes to disputing credit card transactions and causing us headaches.

Then the politicians because only a 3 whole whopping states have some sort of legalized online casino style gaming.

Then of course a good majority of states allow for horse betting, but oh my and wow. How exciting horse betting. Sure if your good with the horses and dogs. Great, but for someone like me who thinks a horse looks like a horse and a dog looks like a dog. The whole thing seems like a waste of time and energy.

Personally even though those 2 casinos are saying U Pay Card is the best option for the US right now. Hopefully there still saying that 3 months or even longer than that from now.

 

[Deanna]

Poll

I think it would be interesting to create a Poll to see how many people have completely stopped depositing due to the Cardforce/PaymCard issue or how much they've cut down. I keep waiting to see some type of word on the issue but I guess by now we all know it's probably not coming back. Has to be a huge loss for the favorite casinos that all of US players used. I miss playing.

 

[shewoff]

Deanna, you hit it right on the head. i have chatted with the CS at most of the CWC site's that I play at, and they all say the same thing."We Don't Know" But they do all say it is coming back.
I feel bad for the casino's because it may well be that they don't know. And for them to say something that is just a bald faced lie is wrong and would put them into a bigger problem than they already have.

I have pretty much given up on the cardpay option as it has been well over 6 week's and probably more? But it has been, needless to say, a very,very long time. I can only guess at what they think and that is not the best option for me. It is sad and that is about all I can say.

Another of the dwindling option's for WD for us poor US player's and for now the bitcoin is about the most reliable and it also has it's own drawback's. Tax's will be on top for big winner's and also the fact that there is a record of your transaction's.

I play alot and I win alot and I lose alot. So getting my winning;s in a timely manner is very important to me. As I'am sure it is with the rest of the US player's here at CM. So I have this week dropped 3 site's that I play at that are CWC unfortunately as they are not getting it done with the WD option's that are out there!

So maybe a poll will at the very least will be a way for us the lowly US player's to let the casino's know HOW and WHAT we think about this whole thing? It may not do any good but at least we are speaking as a whole and not individually.

I'm not real familiar with the polling option here at CM and for me to start one I will need to look up the rules and reg's. But I will and get back in a timely manner. Let me know what you think about it and if the response is good then a poll it will be. Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

 

[cheetahwind]

Well but see, this issue right here that people are talking about. Is the same issue that US Players have faced since the enforcement of UIGEA.

People get used to one option, the option goes well for a while, be it a few weeks, a few months, maybe even a year or so. Then one day someone barks up the wrong tree. The option disappears, we get told it's a malfunction. Sometimes it may come back for a short while. Then malfunction again, and most of the times this is the death of the option. Sure there hoping whomever was providing this service, will get it's act back together and find a new bank and card association to lie to. Yet let's be honest, once they've had a technical delay. It's pretty much game over for this pay in or pay out method.

Pretty much us US Players are expecting that these casinos can easily find people who are will to defraud the banks and card issuing companies into believing that your really getting clothing, buy vacation property, or whatever there coding the transaction as. Which I can tell you, no matter what you say you can easily tell your card company. Trying to come up with the necessary legal paper work just to lie to these folks isn't as easy as you think.

We US Players, pretty much don't mind living in a lie to gamble online. Sure you can say gaming for you is a controlled sport, you bet within your limits, you love the ease of playing online. Yet when are people going to wake up and realize that all of this lying is causing you head aches. Why can't people just accept there fate, write there congressmen, and write off these online casinos until something becomes more regulated in the US.

 

[shewoff]

I will agree with you on this cheetahwind. And the fact that until the congressmen and women start regulating them self's from selling the vote's that we the people put into their hand's to whatever the power's that be offer? Then you are correct we are fooling our self's.

But we have to face the fact that yes we do lie about i-gaming. Because like so many other vice's or hobbies or what ever you wish to call it. There are people or politician's that are trying to stop it because other people are saying it is wrong. As many other fun or exciting thing's in this country are called dangerous or even illegal to suit the law's that in fact are designed not to stop the problem but to control the flow of wealth from us to them.

Don't get me wrong I love this country and have even fought for it. But when people or other entities try to tell me it is bad for me or wrong. I stand up and say WHO ARE YOU? To try and tell me that what I enjoy is wrong! I will fight for my right to be wrong as any other citizen will do.

This is my right as an american citizen and it is not to be toyed with or miss used. i found out that writing my congressman is no good for certain thing's especially if it is un-popular or politically incorrect.
Their power is blunted by these certain thing's and they always walk softly or not at all when it come's to these unpopular problem's?

I don't want to get wrapped up in politic's or any other such poison so I will just say I hope we will get this problem fixed or gone so we can get on with the lie as cheetahwind put it. Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

 

[shewoff]

Well folk's I have NO real new's at all except what I was told today at one of the CWC site's that I play at. The CS stated that from the view point of today it is not any good to expect this cardpay problem to resolve it self in any time in the NEAR future?
After some more question's I was told in the next few week's. So needless to say it is a dead stick.
And you will have the option if as in my situation of depositing and IF you win? Then the cashier's are being relaxed in their ability to combine WD's and allowing wire transfer's or check's
Mind you these are the only option's left in the CWC arsenal.So I just have to say this issue is dead as far as what can be done.Nothing!

It will stop my play at LuckyRed until this matter is resolved or dismissed as it should have been done some time ago. Great group put out to pasture by RTG. I can only see a few real player;s sticking with the 2 option's left? To US player's these option's are not really viable.

1. Wire transfer's are good but it will perk the ear's of some bank's and maybe cause some undue problem's down the road. Usually the cost is large but CWC has lowered that to $25.00 and the min. amount for that option from $350.00 to $200.00.

2. Check is just no good to most of us because it drawn on a Canadian bank. Most US bank's are shy about check's from this region.The same cost and min. amount's apply here also.

It is over as far as I can see unless there is a revelation of some sort?Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

 

[kauphy]

inetbet is having the same promble no way to pay u.s players i won $150 and they did not tell me they changed the checks they send out and when i got it i couldnt cash it anywhere altho they told me i could. so when i asked if i could use card pay they told me it was down and did not know when it was going to be up and running. but they still have it on their cash out page (which i dont think they should because it makes people think they can use it still)
and now no one will get back to me when i ask if there are any updates. so here i sit waiting on them to let me know and who knows how long that will be.