Mastercard/Visa -- huge seizure

[maxd]

Little birdy told me this morning that Mastercard and Visa have done a huge seizure industry wide. Apparently this is pretty wide-sweeping and directly affects operator accounts for the month of January.

Anyone got further news on this? Post here!

 

[RobWin]

Little birdy told me this morning that Mastercard and Visa have done a huge seizure industry wide. Apparently this is pretty wide-sweeping and directly affects operator accounts for the month of January.

Anyone got further news on this? Post here!

Yep, I got this yesterday...what type of "seizure" Max, card seizure, money seizure, etc.?

"Unfortunately, due to a technical fault we are experiencing with our processor that is outside of our immediate control, we currently cannot process MasterCard deposits to add funds to your QuickTender account."

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[BIGZEDBUD]

Yep, I have gotten numerous faults ( some go through as prepayments ) from a bunch of casinos that I use my Mastercard to fund. Its been happening since last Friday.

 

[winbig]

I used my Visa debit (guess which one?) card early this morning without a hitch...one at MGS and one at 3Dice..

 

[RobWin]

I used my Visa debit (guess which one?) card early this morning without a hitch...one at MGS and one at 3Dice..

Your "WP" Visa?
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[casinojack]

Little birdy told me this morning that Mastercard and Visa have done a huge seizure industry wide. Apparently this is pretty wide-sweeping and directly affects operator accounts for the month of January.

Anyone got further news on this? Post here!

Max

In January , both Visa and MC did a HUGE change in the processing, but more regarding the "free trial" offers, also known as continuity offers. Could this be where this source was from ?

 

[WagerWitch]

OK - so WHAT exactly does this mean?

 

[maxd]

OK - so WHAT exactly does this mean?

Good question ... hence my question.

My understanding was that it may have involved operator asset seizure, at least insofar as funds being held by the payment processors. My concern was that this might mean a ripple through the system where players end up being slow-payed, or worse.

FWIW, another source has offered this, sounds related (?):

Mastercard is doing a sweep right now against those taking cards that are NOT 7995. They have had a sting in place. This is not VISA, Mastercard only.

 

[jas2587]

just recieved this don't know if it pertains to the thread:

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Dear ,

Due to the nature of our business and considering the current state
of the online gaming environment in the US, Mastercard has imposed
restrictions on purchases intended to fund online gaming activities.

As a result no Mastercard purchases would be accepted.

Should you decide to fund your casino account using a credit card,
we advise that you consider using Visa instead of Mastercard.

However, if you reach your Visa Card transaction limits,
we strongly suggest using our Instant Credit Card service which will
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[silcnlayc]

Same here from Grand Hotel Casino

Dear ,

Due to the nature of our business and considering the current state of the online gaming environment in the US, Mastercard has imposed restrictions on purchases intended to fund online gaming activities. As a result no Mastercard purchases would be accepted.

Should you decide to fund your casino account using a credit card, we advise that you consider using Visa instead of Mastercard. However, if you reach your Visa Card transaction limits, we strongly suggest using our Instant Credit Card service which willallow you to make more deposits. How To Use Our Instant Credit Card Service?: To start using our Instant Credit Card Service simply visit the banking section of the casino software where you will find the "Instant Credit Card" link.

Click on this link and follow the instructions as they appear on the screen to start making Instant Credit Card deposits. All transactions are highly secure and every deposit is usually instant after every transaction confirmation! We apologize in advance for the inconvenience these limitations may impose and wish you happy further gaming. If you require further information or advice on the above information, please feel free to contact our friendly support team. Kind Regards, The Grand Hotel Casino Team =============================E-mail: [email protected] =============================Toll Free Numbers: United States of America 1 877 528 2496United Kingdom 0 800 056 7591Italy 800 781 060Australia 1 800 014 6614South Africa 0 800 996 180France 0 800 913 228Germany 0 800 180 8275Spain 900 944 426Portugal 0 800 880 222Canada 1 877 952 2222Hong Kong 800 903 650Israel 1 800 944 1205Japan 0 053 1780 012

 

[wangpoker]

It's never been an issue for me. As a Canadian, I've never been able to deposit into online casinos via MasterCard.

 

[Nifty29]

I am unable to use my MC at any casino this week.

Seems a bit steep if MC can refuse to pass on the funds to operators that have already been accepted by those operators - fair enough if they say 'from now on, no funds will be forwarded that are linked to gambling' but making it retrospective stinks - and will certainly have a ripple effect possible for all players.

 

[maxd]

I'm hearing 'all January receipts seized' so it does indeed sound like they're being retroactive about it. That's got to hurt!

 

[me_and_ed]

Being a Canadian our main prepay card is from MoneyMart, they have just started their changes from M/C to Visa, they swapped my card out last week, not sure why they did this but may have some correlation.

 

[Westland Bowl]

Let me get this straight: Mastercard is "seizing" funds that were used for depositing in online casinos? What, does this mean they reverse the transactions in effect resulting in a backdoor chargeback? If that is the case, then the players wouldn't be out of the money but the casinos would. Further the case, then I guess the casinos would then take that much out of the player's balance provided the player didn't already lose it all.

Thankfully I never used Mastercard for depositing into online casinos.

So Mastercard is doing this even in countries that allow online gambling?

 

[Pinababy69]

Being a Canadian our main prepay card is from MoneyMart, they have just started their changes from M/C to Visa, they swapped my card out last week, not sure why they did this but may have some correlation.

Really me_and_ed? That is the card I use as well, the Titanium Plus prepaid MC. So how do I go about changing then? I haven't used my card in over a week, so have no idea if it's working or not working or what. Do I go into MoneyMart and ask for a new card? You can PM me if you want, but it would be great to know more details. Thanks.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Let me get this straight: Mastercard is "seizing" funds that were used for depositing in online casinos? What, does this mean they reverse the transactions in effect resulting in a backdoor chargeback? If that is the case, then the players wouldn't be out of the money but the casinos would. Further the case, then I guess the casinos would then take that much out of the player's balance provided the player didn't already lose it all.

Thankfully I never used Mastercard for depositing into online casinos.

So Mastercard is doing this even in countries that allow online gambling?

This could cause them serious legal problems. The intent is probably aimed at those processors that deliberately disguised gambling transactions as something else. There should have been no need for this in countries where online gambling was legal, but casinos will STILL be affected if they used such trickery even though they didn't have to.

Taken from Max earlier:-

Mastercard is doing a sweep right now against those taking cards that are NOT 7995. They have had a sting in place. This is not VISA, Mastercard only.

This looks like gambling transactions that were put through as gambling transactions (merchant code 7995) should be honoured.
Gambling transactions put through with other codes to hide their nature are probably the ones being investigated, and merchant funds seized. I would expect these processors will also have their Mastercard facility removed.

US players are likely to be most affected, and it WILL result in "chargeback" conditions for the processors, who will then seek to pass this on to the casinos.

The net effect might force a few casinos to quit the US market, which is just what the US authorities want. UIGEA was designed to disrupt the transactions, and this is EXACTLY what will result from this latest Mastercard action.

Casinos MAY react by blaming the PLAYERS for this, and placing them on a chargeback blacklist, even though it was the CASINO trying to get around Mastercard restrictions in order to keep accepting deposits from players. Players may then find themselves having to fight to clear their names from the smear that THEY initiated chargebacks to get out of bets that went sour. It has happened like this before, with PLAYERS taking the blame for a decision by their BANK to retrospectively retrieve transactions once they became aware they were related to gambling.

 

[me_and_ed]

Really me_and_ed? That is the card I use as well, the Titanium Plus prepaid MC. So how do I go about changing then? I haven't used my card in over a week, so have no idea if it's working or not working or what. Do I go into MoneyMart and ask for a new card? You can PM me if you want, but it would be great to know more details. Thanks.

Hi Pina,
They just swapped mine for free, same thing Titanium + Visa, same loads, same support numbers, everything, just Visa. I went in one day and she told me, I didnt have to fill anything extra out, she just swapped it all, got a temp card and a new one came in a week, works great, dunno but maybe the casino's can w/d to the card and we will be able to go to the ATM and take it out, I will let you know, that is if I ever win again, its been a while

 

[Pinababy69]

Hi Pina,
They just swapped mine for free, same thing Titanium + Visa, same loads, same support numbers, everything, just Visa. I went in one day and she told me, I didnt have to fill anything extra out, she just swapped it all, got a temp card and a new one came in a week, works great, dunno but maybe they can w/d to the card and just go to the ATM and w/d??? I will try it if I ever win again, its been a bad few months

Well...cool beans to that then.

I have to go into Moneymart in the next couple of days, so I will ask about it. And I think you're right....we may now be able to get any withdrawals loaded direct back to the card, which would be freaking awesome!!

Hear ya on the luck....ditto here. But hey, it's gotta change eventually.

 

[bonustreak]

Always seems to be something going on with MC bunch of damn clowns! So in the meantime play with your Netspend it is Visa and works wonders

 

[LaurieJim]

I have a credit card i use and have used it once at a casino (Slots Oasis) its a Master card, could the Rushmore group kick me to the curb if it comes back to them and they pass the buck on to the player, will i have to give them the deposit money back in order not to be named as a chargeback player.

This really is a new low for Master card and is going to hurt the Casinos that used MC for depositing, but what about those players, they will suffer twice, maybe losing their credit card status, maybe having to payback the casino in order to save their good standing at the casino..........Its going to be a never ending merry- go - round ride, i fear..............laurie

 

[love2winalot]

If they do a mastercard chargeback, I wonder, Does the Casino or Merchant Provider Know if it was Mastercard that did it, or if the player did it on his own?

I can see 2 things happening. Winning player gets a chargeback from his mastercard, and his deposit/winnings are forfiet, and he is banned. I also see a player Losing, doing a chargeback on his own, and then saying, "MC did it, not me".

I hope Casino Reps, chime in and let us know that they can tell the difference, to protect the honest player who actually does end up with a MC Chargeback.

 

[WagerWitch]

Let us all get ONE thing straight

If MasterCard prompts a industry wide chargeback - there is no way that the casinos will hold individuals responsible.

HOWEVER - they cannot realistically charge Casinos BACK all the money CASINOS intook for those months already collected on.

Not only that - the money would have to be returned to the customer - and you're talking a MASSIVE undertaking - that NO ONE would want to be a part of.

Personally it just sounds like MC is STOPPING the allowance of online gaming worldwide.

Just an opinion tho.

Methinks that they may be investigating what is gmbling charge and what is not - but I dont think they are going to undertake the ENTIRE industry returning funds to players.

 

[casinojack]

Let us all get ONE thing straight

If MasterCard prompts a industry wide chargeback - there is no way that the casinos will hold individuals responsible..

Correct, as the term I see in this thread, "chargeback" is being used incorrectly.

A MID going down is totally different. It will be painful to many as any money that had not been sent to the casino (settled) would be gone. This has happened in other industries and is also different then a seizure, though I can see why the confusion...

Bottom line, For those wonder why is MC and not visa, is most gaming transaction happen with Visa International, not Visa..Small difference in the corporate structure, but this is why MC always folds first...

 

[WagerWitch]

Correct, as the term I see in this thread, "chargeback" is being used incorrectly.

A MID going down is totally different. It will be painful to many as any money that had not been sent to the casino (settled) would be gone. This has happened in other industries and is also different then a seizure, though I can see why the confusion...

Bottom line, For those wonder why is MC and not visa, is most gaming transaction happen with Visa International, not Visa..Small difference in the corporate structure, but this is why MC always folds first...

Don't think Visa won't be behind this in process.

But what I am seeing is that VISA IS indeed investigating gambling charges - hence in SOME Visa's (ie NETSPEND) you are now capable of documenting the TYPES of charges from the plyer's side.

HOWEVER - I have had ONE prepaid Visa that closed my account down and investigated the charges. I just closed it completely.

Still the INDUSTRY wide thing is this; They will probably just stop allowing gaming transactions - nothing too hideous at this point.

 

[topgame]

Hi everyone,

I have just had confirmed to me by TG management that both VISA and MC held an action against a major processing company used by many different operators/platforms.

As a result of this action there maybe some slight delays with player withdrawals but we wanted to assure everyone that all withdrawals will be processed asap.

In the meantime if any player has a question about their withdrawal I would ask you to please contact customer support of that casino.

Kind Regards


David

 

[tat00]

i only use quicktender and netspend - the only way to deposit without any worries

 

[suzecat]

Does this have anything to do with the coding being used for these transactions? I have noticed that until recently they were being coded as merchandise or "games other than gambling" when they were actually for gambling. Me thinks the hammer came down on companies who were mis-coding transactions to get them to go through.

 

[pryznbrk]

I used to have a company that processed over $100,000 a month in online charges and I can tell you that VISA and MasterCard are the most corrupt organizations I have ever dealt with. They make the mob look like altra boys.

 

[maxd]

Me thinks the hammer came down on companies who were mis-coding transactions to get them to go through.

I'd be surprised if this were actually the case since the effected operations are pretty widespread. I suppose if it were the processor doing it then maybe.

I'll see if I can't get some more first hand info on this today.

 

[felicie]

It's late summer or fall of 06 all over again isn't it? or 07. (ty vinylweatherman that post rang some big familiar bells in this foggy brain Just before neteller's departure (or after still foggy) from US market. Remember all the processors and wallets available to all of us? many many and then one after another, their doors to U.S. started closing and I personally, being really new to it all, found myself with a couple of hefty surprises that made no sense until now and even remember one phone conversation with one of the processor's who thanked me for the effort but said they could not accept the money and advised me they would Not put me on a negative list because of it. I had a couple of months where auto deposit hit the bank and then I watched it bounce bounce bounce down to nothing like it was totally out of control and yet statement didn't show what was doing it in the normal bank nsf procedure. I closed that account just to stop the madness and now I get what triggered it and it was Visa not mc. And for awhile my bank was the only one getting any money one bounce fee after another. What a great money-maker or instant 'bailout' for the bank of visa. The players, processors and casinos were in a state of confusion wondering who did what to whom and the money had never even left the bank. This probably sounds nuts to some of you cause I remember the looks I got from a couple of close friends and family when I told them my account had some kind of a virus that was gobbling up the money and I couldn't stop it.

 

[cheetahwind]

So far I think I can confirm one of the processors effected, because I can only remember one being able to take my mastercard.
Which was GameAccessClub.com. So therefore I'm guessing they were the ones who were hit and whomever else they were masked under.
I hate to say the masked page was a bit dull anyways. Even if a guy supposedly wanted to buy one of the cards advertised on there you couldn't because they had it all faked out to supposedly decline.
So honestly did it surprise me that they got caught? Not really.

 

[slotomatic]

Quicktender is also disallowing MC for funding for now. They have given no reason other than an issue with the payment processor. At least that's what I see when I log in to QT. Been days now, and the MC i had listed there is blocked out. Since about Feb 1.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

[post=331133]They know everything imo[/post]

I was more specific in some PM's starting in the fall. (Will check them out and possibly post some specifics).

UIGEA is not the cause but may wake up the sleeping dogs. VISA and MC have their own TandC's for both merchants and cardholders. Oh my, including terms related to gambling at least for US cardholders. We have all been trained to read those TandC's, yes!! HYPOCRISY and GREED and ADDICTION and IGNORANCE and

 

[suzecat]

So far I think I can confirm one of the processors effected, because I can only remember one being able to take my mastercard.
Which was GameAccessClub.com. So therefore I'm guessing they were the ones who were hit and whomever else they were masked under.
I hate to say the masked page was a bit dull anyways. Even if a guy supposedly wanted to buy one of the cards advertised on there you couldn't because they had it all faked out to supposedly decline.
So honestly did it surprise me that they got caught? Not really.

RIP GameAccessClub.com

 

[Pinababy69]

An online article from EGaming Review:

Mastercard crackdown leaves US players unable to pay

04/02/2010
Jon Parker


US-FACING operators have been hit by an overnight crackdown on online gambling payments by credit card giant Mastercard.

The US company is believed to have toughened its stance on the widespread practice of operators coding egaming transaction as other kinds of online commerce, which will all its US customers from using their cards to gamble online.

Rival US card giant Visa is rumoured to have taken a similar measure, although this could not be confirmed at the time of writing.

The action is a sign that banks and payment companies are preparing for implementation of Americas Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA), which bans the facilitation of online gambling by payment companies.

Cont'd here:

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EDITED TO ADD: You were right me_and_ed...I went into Money Mart yesterday to ask about the MC thing...and she immediately fixed me up, and said I'd have the Visa in the mail within a week. So all is good...thanks for letting me know.

 

[Richard]

LONDON BRIDGE IS FALLIN' DOWN...The show will soon be over folks. Visa will follow suit soon. This casino operators office will be raided. This sting is bigger than you could imagine. Don't be surprise if someone knocks on your door.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Ignore the warning signs all you want to. But its OVER FOLKS! Watch...2010 is IT!!!!

 

[jelsmith]

LONDON BRIDGE IS FALLIN' DOWN...The show will soon be over folks. Visa will follow suit soon. This casino operators office will be raided. This sting is bigger than you could imagine. Don't be surprise if someone knocks on your door.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Ignore the warning signs all you want to. But its OVER FOLKS! Watch...2010 is IT!!!!

......I dont think they will be knocking on anyones door....as technically OG isnt illegal.....

 

[NASHVEGAS]

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"Visa will follow suit" is not stupid. Ask a former member and current member of your POC club to share my Sept. and Nov. 2009 PM replies. Permission granted.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

......I dont think they will be knocking on anyones door....as technically OG isnt illegal.....

Is any type of gambling legal in the State of Tennessee. I am all ears

 

[maxd]

Ok, I've received some detailed information from inside the industry, people that were directly affected by the recent actions. Now prepping that info for publication here ... soon!

 

[LaurieJim]

Is any type of gambling legal in the State of Tennessee. I am all ears

Tennessee State Lottery.......Bingo at the local Church, havent seen a Nun arrested Yet.............laurie

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Tennessee State Lottery.......Bingo at the local Church, havent seen a Nun arrested Yet.............laurie

I'll PM the law!

 

[NASHVEGAS]

"Visa will follow suit" is not stupid. Ask a former member and current member of your POC club to share my Sept. and Nov. 2009 PM replies. Permission granted.

So that POC is not just privy, some excerpts of my 11-16-2009 PM reply to a very very respected member of this forum. That said, I am not the gospel so just call me stupid. Wouldn't want to phuck up anyone's agenda


"BoA, as well as Chase, Capital One et al, all are aware of what is going on with the use of non-prepaid CC's"

"The thing that makes no sense is they know it is online gambling and still release which to me is a red flag."

"They also are well aware of all the false vendors names that the casinos/processors are using for online deposits via CC."

"Call me stupid, but sometimes the mindset of this forum blows me away. Essentially, none of us are fooling anybody imo. The question is: "Will there ever be any consequences with all the info we make available, that is available? I have no clue but I have basically decided the risk is not worth the reward."

".......So even if I win ,I lose!!"

 

[NASHVEGAS]

From an August 2009 PM on another forum. The context is not directly related to CC's fwiw:

"I've known this for several days and if I said QT which I indirectly reference in my first post of the chat will be done soon, well F**k that"

Yeah, yeah I know, spill the beans-that a'int happening so flame moi......Hang tight fellow members. Time will tell for better or worse!

 

[Richard]

So that POC is not just privy, some excerpts of my 11-16-2009 PM reply to a very very respected member of this forum. That said, I am not the gospel so just call me stupid. Wouldn't want to phuck up anyone's agenda


"BoA, as well as Chase, Capital One et al, all are aware of what is going on with the use of non-prepaid CC's"

"The thing that makes no sense is they know it is online gambling and still release which to me is a red flag."

"They also are well aware of all the false vendors names that the casinos/processors are using for online deposits via CC."

"Call me stupid, but sometimes the mindset of this forum blows me away. Essentially, none of us are fooling anybody imo. The question is: "Will there ever be any consequences with all the info we make available, that is available? I have no clue but I have basically decided the risk is not worth the reward."

".......So even if I win ,I lose!!"

What some people don't realize. Is some of these new casinos and ewallets are government fronts. They unexpectly send these places there ID, bills, and account information. A lot of people don't even report this as income on there taxes. I smell something rotten coming down the tubes. USEMYWALLET is an US OP setup all the way. WATCH and SEE!

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Tennessee State Lottery.......Bingo at the local Church, havent seen a Nun arrested Yet.............laurie

Link of Tennessee Law sent via PM.

BTW, the voters of Tennessee amended the State's Constitution to permit a State lottery.

I did not PM the Tennessee Charitable Gaming Implementation Law for Charitable Fund Raising. Oddly, iirc , Bingo is not authorized like raffles for example. Can PM if you desire???

 

[LaurieJim]

Where does it say online gambling?

Maybe i have bad eyes but i see no where about online gambling, i will put the link up for our state and maybe someone can point out where it says its illegal to gamble online in the State of Tennessee.

Thanks Nash for the info I really didnt want to see those poor Nuns thrown in the slammer............laurie

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[Simmo!]

Laurie/Richard - leave it there (use your "Ignore" buttons if you have to) and keep on-topic please.

Cheers,

Simmo!

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Maybe i have bad eyes but i see no where about online gambling, i will put the link up for our state and maybe someone can point out where it says its illegal to gamble online in the State of Tennessee.

Thanks Nash for the info I really didnt want to see those poor Nuns thrown in the slammer............laurie

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I suppose one could argue legally that "online" does not comes under the broad legal definition of "Gambling" as stated.

Would probably depend on which side of the bed a Judge woke up on if the technicality was applicable but imo the broad definition is clear and includes all gambling except the stated authorized (which most all are part of the Tennessee Charitable Gaming Implementation Law for Charitable Fund Raising as well as the current State constitution).

Of course, it certainly would eliminate all doubt if "online" was specifically included in the "Definitions". Doubt is good for attornies