Mastercard/Visa -- huge seizure

[felicie]

I thought it meant it's a lot of bullcrap for us to go thru and all we want to do is gamble online and we shall, one way or the other.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

I thought it meant it's a lot of bullcrap for us to go thru and all we want to do is gamble online and we shall, one way or the other.

Understood but quoting or actually paraphrasing Maxd., expect some casualties! Who,what,when,where,how et al=the question(s).

BTW now , "we" should read "we"-1

 

[dodecahedron]

I would like to point out that eWallettXpress uses one's checking acct for transactions. I'm sure there are others, but I'm forced to ask why so many people are using CC, and ATM cards that are, and have been the source of the controversy from the onset of UIGEA. It seems fairly reasonable to allow for someone to put say a grand in a hobby acct at bank A while doing personal business in bank B.

As far as i'm aware, checks are not credit cards and slip through the UIGEA cracks in the armor. Please feel free to correct me if this is not so.

TIA
dodecahedron

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: Well, there are a lot of people who do not want to give out any banking information, to anybody, if they do not have to. Thus, pre paid debit cards. Even On Line games know how hard it is to get someone to give out their banking information, to play a game, more the less, to gamble on line. This is why games had Game Time Codes, you can buy at the game store. But, yes, a second bank acct, used for Gambling, e bay, ect. is a good idea.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Hiya: Well, there are a lot of people who do not want to give out any banking information, to anybody, if they do not have to. Thus, pre paid debit cards. Even On Line games know how hard it is to get someone to give out their banking information, to play a game, more the less, to gamble on line. This is why games had Game Time Codes, you can buy at the game store. But, yes, a second bank acct, used for Gambling, e bay, ect. is a good idea

No shit!!!!!!!

 

[Mousey]

Saw that on one of my bank statements, too. (NOT the account I use for QT transfers.) However.... I really wish someone who plays the horses could stir up a stink about this with the bank(s)... as gambling on horses is supposed to be legal... LOL

And back to the CC thing... other than prepaid cards... (and this is my personal opinion only)... Credit Cards and/or household bank accounts should never, ever be used for gambling -- regardless of whether it's considered legal or not where you live.

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: The statement in the pic from Nashvegas, is more of a ,"Boo them Up", and, "look FBI, we are doing all we can about it". The bigger the city you live in, and the bigger the bank is, the harder it is for them to actually, "Decline" anything thinking it is on line gambling releated. Unless the check from the Casino looks like this:
________________________________________________________________
OnLine super Casino-----------2/7/2010
In the S. Pacific
asd-2356

Pay To: Casino Log in name, aka; "Love2winalotof internetgambling$"
Pay: Seven hundred casino dollars-------------$700.00


note: Thanks from Online Casino xyz
________________________________________________________________

hehehe. I mean, in a Town like Las Vegas, with people from all over the world here all the time, and one of the highest rates of Internetional Banking transactions in America, It become really hard to know.

Oh, and you just know, that at some point a Bank is going to accuse the Wrong person of having a Internet Gambling Transaction, "when it was not", decline it, causing the person to lose something, and that person will be sitting at the Bank Managers desk, WITH HIS LAWYER. ........

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Saw that on one of my bank statements, too. (NOT the account I use for QT transfers.) However.... I really wish someone who plays the horses could stir up a stink about this with the bank(s)... as gambling on horses is supposed to be legal... LOL

And back to the CC thing... other than prepaid cards... (and this is my personal opinion only)... Credit Cards and/or household bank accounts should never, ever be used for gambling -- regardless of whether it's considered legal or not where you live.

Yes, it is the second time I posted it and the way it is written became the most important topic of discussion. Nevermind the closing of bank accounts which has occurred but not at Regions afaik but another US top ten bank!!

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Hiya: The statement in the pic from Nashvegas, is more of a ,"Boo them Up", and, "look FBI, we are doing all we can about it". The bigger the city you live in, and the bigger the bank is, the harder it is for them to actually, "Decline" anything thinking it is on line gambling releated. Unless the check from the Casino looks like this:
________________________________________________________________
OnLine super Casino-----------2/7/2010
In the S. Pacific
asd-2356

Pay To: Casino Log in name, aka; "Love2winalotof internetgambling$"
Pay: Seven hundred casino dollars-------------$700.00


note: Thanks from Online Casino xyz
________________________________________________________________

hehehe. I mean, in a Town like Las Vegas, with people from all over the world here all the time, and one of the highest rates of Internetional Banking transactions in America, It become really hard to know.

Oh, and you just know, that at some point a Bank is going to accuse the Wrong person of having a Internet Gambling Transaction, "when it was not", decline it, causing the person to lose something, and that person will be sitting at the Bank Managers desk, WITH HIS LAWYER. ........

Time will tell but as I posted before the frontlines including branch managers are clueless to UIGEA. Thus, in that sense you are correct. Feel free to keep playing the law of averages,hehe!!

 

[maxd]

As a second stab at this issue I talked with a senior exec from a widely respected casino. They are not US-facing and as such do not have first hand knowledge of the recent actions. They do however have considerable expertise in the field and I value their input. They have asked not to be named.

"As we have no direct experience of the issue here our answers are based purely on our knowledge of how the banking and card schemes operate in general terms."

Q1:As I understand it the credit card companies have moved to block transactions which they identify as being related to online gambling. Have I got that right?

A1: Yes. Both Visa and Mastercard have implemented blocking for all US issued cards on transactions for both online poker and casino. Previously this has been in place by blocking 7995 transactions but they are now targeting non coded transactions. Our belief is that they are getting ready for the financial transaction aspect of UIGEA which hits the statute books in June.

Q2: How big a deal is this? I've heard from some quarters that it's seismic, that as much as "hundreds of millions" have been seized from some operators and that some of them are going to curl up and die because of this. Does that sound like a reasonable assessment of the situation?

A2: At present the figures and affected operators is at best speculation and worst rumour mongering. However, that said, the implications could be far reaching for those operators which are transacting outside of the card scheme rules in relation to 7995 coded transactions (see also Q7). It will clearly impact hard on those operators who have not restructured following the original announcement of the UIGEA and continued to rely heavily on US-based consumers for their revenue. Those operators that chose to restructure following the announcement are steps ahead in focusing their marketing elsewhere globally to allow for this deficit, it may well be a case of too late for operators caught up at this late stage of the game.

Q3: It this global or US only? I suppose another way of asking the same thing is will it affect all customer transactions or only those customers in the US?

A3: Other than individual card issuers who have there own territorial rules this appears to only affect those cards issued in US, although Citigroup appear to have rolled this out globally.

Q4: As I understand it MC/Visa block the transaction, which means the money never leaves the bank and the operator is short that deposit. Will that money ever have entered play at the casino or is just that the tap got turned off and so there's less money flowing?

A4: If the transaction is blocked at source (i.e. the card issuer) then the operator would not normally credit a players account with funds so it is unlikely that the funds would have been used by the end user at the casino / poker room. If the transaction was blocked after authorization was given by the bank, which may well be the case here, then potentially there will be money flowing around the poker room / casino where the operator has not and will not receive the funds and will have to bear the loss associated.

Q5: I've heard that the CC companies will be fining operators for these gaming related transactions. Is that something your average casino is covered against or are they likely to be out-of-pocket for those fines?

A5: This is not normally something that a casino/poker operator would have coverage for and ultimately would affect the bottom line profit of the operator. In general both Card Scheme Rules operate an Excessive Chargeback Report (based on volume and value of sales) and if you hit certain limits here then the fines can be punitive.

Q6: There's been pretty widespread speculation that this will slow payments to the players yet some shops are not showing any such thing. Are some operators simply isolated from this or are they able to absorb the damage and carry on because of contingency planning (or the like)?

A6: Being a non US merchant this I cannot comment on this. I would suggest that the bigger operators will be able to absorb some of this cost; it will hurt but won't be life threatening!

Q7: There's been some talk of a wave of chargebacks being released because of this, presumably initiated by someone other than the player yet the player would have the chargeback on their record. Does this make any sense to you?

A7: Being US exempt it is hard to comment. There are potentially two scenarios here which could come in to effect. The first is a card scheme chargeback and this would affect previously authorized transactions being charged back by the card issuer where there is evidence to suggest that the authorizations were obtained outside of the card scheme rules as they stand, i.e. non coded transactions. Additionally there is a possibility that the card schemes could sanction the operators if it can be shown that the transactions were processed outside the scheme rules and this could be in the form of fines and, the ultimate sanction, removal of transaction ability with the card scheme.

At present these comments are mainly based on conjecture and speculation, until we become aware of the exact figures involved and the stance that the card schemes themselves take it is difficult to suggest the likely impact. If the card schemes themselves were to take the heaviest stance possible then the repercussions for those operators will, potentially, put them in a position from which there will be little chance of recovery. Fines imposed by the card schemes themselves may not be as worrying or harmful as the potential to have the facility of the card scheme removed from the operator and potentially find themselves blacklisted with the card scheme to ensure that future acquirers/processors are unable or unwilling to take them on regardless of the legitimacy of any future transactions.

 

[GrandMaster]

Oh, and you just know, that at some point a Bank is going to accuse the Wrong person of having a Internet Gambling Transaction, "when it was not", decline it, causing the person to lose something, and that person will be sitting at the Bank Managers desk, WITH HIS LAWYER. ........

The layer won't be of much use:

5364
(d) No Liability for Blocking or Refusing To Honor Restricted Transactions. A person that identifies and blocks a transaction, prevents or prohibits the acceptance of its products or services in connection with a transaction, or otherwise refuses to honor a transaction
(1) that is a restricted transaction;
(2) that such person reasonably believes to be a restricted transaction; or
(3) as a designated payment system or a member of a designated payment system in reliance on the policies and procedures of the payment system, in an effort to comply with regulations prescribed under subsection (a),
shall not be liable to any party for such action.

 

[felicie]

What keeps getting my attention is possible retroactive type chargeback issues thus making me feel it's a good time to stay on what I will call a 'break'.
Thanks much maxd.

 

[love2winalot]

That kind of sounds like, "Yea, Keep accepting American Players, and you not only put your USA based part of your Casino in jepordy, You also put your entire playerbase world wide in jepordy, as you might lose all your money processors".

 

[NASHVEGAS]

As a second stab at this issue I talked with a senior exec from a widely respected casino. They are not US-facing and as such do not have first hand knowledge of the recent actions. They do however have considerable expertise in the field and I value their input. They have asked not to be named.

They are spot on based on my numerous conversations (most not by my choice by any means).

Most of your source's answers have been previously mentioned in this forum *cough* in of course a more simplistic way. Even discussed some with L J via phone y-day. Again, excellent info. from your source. So as a casino watchdog and player advocate site, now what

 

[LaurieJim]

They are spot on based on my numerous conversations (most not by my choice by any means).

Most of your source's answers have been previously mentioned in this forum *cough* in of course a more simplistic way. Even discussed with L J via phone y-day. Again, excellent info. from your source. So as a casino watchdog and player advocate site, now what

So whats the worst that can happen to the average US online player ? This is really starting to get me paranoid, is big brother gonna be knocking on my door or even yours, can we get fined, jail time, a slap on the wrist, credit ruined or is it the big fish they want, im just a minnow in this huge pond of gambling..........laurie

 

[NASHVEGAS]

So whats the worst that can happen to the average US online player ? This is really starting to get me paranoid, is big brother gonna be knocking on my door or even yours, can we get fined, jail time, a slap on the wrist, credit ruined or is it the big fish they want, im just a minnow in this huge pond of gambling..........laurie

JMO on the player, and excluding the obvious like never being paid and speculative answers given by the anon. source, the seizure of your CC's (no idea re: debits, pre-paids-well I have an idea at least on debits) is a concern. I also believe those that have and rely on good credit may have some derogatory credit issues that will require long term (a couple years or so) persistence(sp) to even possibly remedy. IRS and money laundering who knows. JMO very quickly!

Of course, there are many non-player issues but all are also speculative so nevermind

EDIT: the player should be concerned but imo the least concerned except for the obvious trickle down or maybe better said "cause and effect" issues.

 

[singlemalt]

My understanding is that MC and VISA were reviewing uncoded transactions across the board...not just in this industry. It just so happens some of these types of transactions occur in this industry. I don't think it is an effort focused solely on the industry.

Singlemalt

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: The average Joe/Jane have nothing to worry about. The worst that happens is our transactions get declined. The Powers that be have a Lot of targets to go after. The Processors are first, then the Casino's. The average player is not even close to being on the radar yet.

Why do i say this. When you have Targets, and some are Hard, and some are Easy, do you not go after the Easy ones first? And what could be easier, than having a site pay to advertise on TV, and have their high profile players in those commercials, and wearing the sites Logo on their shirts & Hats?

All the Poker Sites, imhop, are target #1. Unless you think the Authorities believe that the Poker sites are paying thousands of dollars to send people to their play for free site, ie .net, ONLY TO HAVE THEM ONLY PLAY FOR FREE?

As soon as we see the FBI walk into a Poker Tournament, and drag" insert famous poker player/affiliate here" away from the table, and start reading him his rights, i will not be losing any sleep over this.

 

[cheetahwind]

I guess the major question, I'm posing is.
How is that some processing such as the ones who process for Jackpot Capital and iNetBet fell through the cracks. Other than I do know that iNet did send a large number of my transactions through one of the shutdown operators aka GameAccessClub. I mean still to this very day I can use any visa card that goes through as Virtual-Webcard, a2zpay, and BOS International. Were these processors smarter and or more protected than this Game Access Club? Just seems silly to me a new merchant pops up and then gets shut down literally within months of it opening. They must have done something horribly wrong to get this kind of treatment. So yeah... it just seeems like either someone wasn't clever or just not good enough at coding there transactions right.

 

[lost2much]

I just noticed that 3Dice is pushing people to deposit with web wallets instead of credit cards. Have'nt tried to deposit with CC so not sure if that option still works. QT charges are excessive, so I guess I'll try the netspend and see what happens. If the company that sends out MOs for payouts is freaking out, then it can't be long before noone will take our cards.

 

[jackieb7]

I believe

3D if offering a 5% deposit bonus to offset the charge of web wallet. No w/r.
correct?

 

[maxd]

A little birdy dropped this in my mailbox, more on the subject:

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

A little birdy dropped this in my mailbox, more on the subject:

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

These sites were mis-coding and cascading credit/debit card transactions (unknown to most customers and potentially having negative consequences way beyond simply not funding gambling for cardholders. This is fact.)

No player advocate/casino watchdog can ignore or justify this, correct?

 

[maxd]

These sites were mis-coding ....

Not that simple, as you'll see by reading what has come before in this thread.

 

[cpdnd31]

As of today when I tried netspend visa at 3 dice I was told to use my use my wallet acct or QT. to deposite. Forget it not even worth it to me anymore. I dont want my CC info on qt anymore because of crackdowns so to load netspend 5 bucks to load qt 2.50 by the time I deposite Im allready behind lol.

Its a sad day when I say no to internet gaming and Im afraid that day has arrived.

Closed my website down, and I am done!

 

[pevangel]

wow, what happened to Barney frank Bill?


pevangel

 

[NASHVEGAS]

wow, what happened to Barney frank Bill?


pevangel

Hi Pevangel...........BF's proposed bill has nothing to do with allowing the use of MC/VISA for online gambling (you may need to peruse this thread) nor legalizing off-shores for online gambling given the proposed bill's requirements for licensing.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Not that simple, as you'll see by reading what has come before in this thread.

I suppose we could get in a pissing contest (as it is simple) but not on your home "Court"

 

[maxd]

I suppose we could get in a pissing contest ....

Thank you for the kind and generous offer but I'll pass.

 

[The Dude]

... So as a casino watchdog and player advocate site, now what

These sites were mis-coding and cascading credit/debit card transactions (unknown to most customers and potentially having negative consequences way beyond simply not funding gambling for cardholders. This is fact.)

No player advocate/casino watchdog can ignore or justify this, correct?

It's a two way street. This site is to provide information to enable everyone to make well-informed decisions for themselves. This is not a "crusading" website - it's an informational one.

I have never been a fan of using credit cards for gambling purposes; I have always been an advocate of using web-wallets - but that's me. Players need to read the terms and conditions of their credit cards and bank accounts, that's not for me or anyone else to deal with. This is a responsibility of the player.

Mind you, this only affects US based players - which is less than half the traffic here (about 40%). Even so, if you are implying that I need to monitor how casinos accept deposits or make payments for 40 percent of the players that come through here - sorry to disappoint you, but I don't have these resources.

It's up to the members here to think for themselves. If a US player has been using a Master Card to make deposits knowing that they are wrong in doing so - well it's a good chance they are going to have problems down the road. I shouldn't be expected to be waving a flag in front of their faces saying "what are you doing??" Next, I'll be having to tell people to turn their headlights on when they drive at night.

Same thing goes for the casinos. If they are planning to shoot themselves in the foot, then that's a business decision that will have consequences sooner or later. Again, this is something that this site is not involved with.

The best way to "advocate" what to do and what to avoid is by giving a platform for these things to be discussed and examined. So here ya go .

Knowledge is power.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

It's a two way street. This site is to provide information to enable everyone to make well-informed decisions for themselves. This is not a "crusading" website - it's an informational one.

I have never been a fan of using credit cards for gambling purposes; I have always been an advocate of using web-wallets - but that's me. Players need to read the terms and conditions of their credit cards and bank accounts, that's not for me or anyone else to deal with. This is a responsibility of the player.

Mind you, this only affects US based players - which is less than half the traffic here (about 40%). Even so, if you are implying that I need to monitor how casinos accept deposits or make payments for 40 percent of the players that come through here - sorry to disappoint you, but I don't have these resources.

It's up to the members here to think for themselves. If a US player has been using a Master Card to make deposits knowing that they are wrong in doing so - well it's a good chance they are going to have problems down the road. I shouldn't be expected to be waving a flag in front of their faces saying "what are you doing??" Next, I'll be having to tell people to turn their headlights on when they drive at night.
Same thing goes for the casinos. If they are planning to shoot themselves in the foot, then that's a business decision that will have consequences sooner or later. Again, this is something that this site is not involved with.

The best way to "advocate" what to do and what to avoid is by giving a platform for these things to be discussed and examined. So here ya go .

Knowledge is power.

Oh, I see.

 

[love2winalot]

turn their headlights on when they drive at night

Please come to the Philippines as there is the perception that driving at night, "with your lights off", prolongs the life of the battery, and headlights. They only turn them on if a car is coming........

I think i speak for most players. All We want to do is play our favoriate game. We do not really care about the hoops we have to jump thru to be able to do this. We wish the hoops were not there, and that Internet Gambling was 100% legal, and accepted, and so on...........But when we see this on the Casino's main page....

1. It is illegal in some areas to gamble on the internet. check with your local government.
2. Some credit cards do not allow gambling releated transactions. check with your bank.
3. Some types of money transfer services, "neteller-e wallet, ect" may not work or be allowed in your area. check with their website.
and so on..........................

This DOES NOT stop us from Gambling on the Internet. We try different things, until we come across the one that works, and off we go..........I don't care how many changes there are, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A WAY, and there will ALWAYS be players seeking that WAY.

If a major Casino group said, "Buy a money order, send it to, "Honest John" in this 3rd world country, and he will deposit into your account for you at our Casino. Guess what? "Honest John" is going to end up with more money orders than your local 7-11..........hehehe And this really is a FACT.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Please come to the Philippines as there is the perception that driving at night, "with your lights off", prolongs the life of the battery, and headlights. They only turn them on if a car is coming........

I think i speak for most players. All We want to do is play our favoriate game. We do not really care about the hoops we have to jump thru to be able to do this. We wish the hoops were not there, and that Internet Gambling was 100% legal, and accepted, and so on...........But when we see this on the Casino's main page....

1. It is illegal in some areas to gamble on the internet. check with your local government.
2. Some credit cards do not allow gambling releated transactions. check with your bank.
3. Some types of money transfer services, "neteller-e wallet, ect" may not work or be allowed in your area. check with their website.
and so on..........................

This DOES NOT stop us from Gambling on the Internet. We try different things, until we come across the one that works, and off we go..........I don't care how many changes there are, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A WAY, and there will ALWAYS be players seeking that WAY.

If a major Casino group said, "Buy a money order, send it to, "Honest John" in this 3rd world country, and he will deposit into your account for you at our Casino. Guess what? "Honest John" is going to end up with more money orders than your local 7-11..........hehehe And this really is a FACT.

I sure would not want a PROFESSIONAL ROULETTE PLAYER , LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, to speak for moi, FTR -1

 

[RedAndi]

Gift Cards?

Will all of this have any effect on using Visa gift cards?
That's my main way of funding, just the easiest way for me.
I wouldn't think it would be an issue since the cards are one shot use and not registered with a name and address, but reading through all this just has me thinking they could start blocking the transactions also.
What a mess, what a headache

 

[RobWin]

This thread makes me think that "Pre-Paid Phone Cards" will become popular again..
____
____

 

[DaveG39]

As of today when I tried netspend visa at 3 dice I was told to use my use my wallet acct or QT. to deposite. Forget it not even worth it to me anymore. I dont want my CC info on qt anymore because of crackdowns so to load netspend 5 bucks to load qt 2.50 by the time I deposite Im allready behind lol.

Its a sad day when I say no to internet gaming and Im afraid that day has arrived.

Closed my website down, and I am done!

Just had my NetSpend Visa denied @ Inetbet. I'm done too. I'd try QT, but

1. I've already gotten a call in the past from the fraud dept of my bank for trying to fund QT.

2. Fees!!

 

[felicie]

Just for anyone's fyi, I had no problems using my only1 visa to fund my qt and then much to my amazement was able to use it at grand eagle today also because the qt option isn't available to me yet whatever that means. All is not lost yet.

 

[jelsmith]

My NS works at Lock

 

[vinylweatherman]

It's a two way street. This site is to provide information to enable everyone to make well-informed decisions for themselves. This is not a "crusading" website - it's an informational one.

I have never been a fan of using credit cards for gambling purposes; I have always been an advocate of using web-wallets - but that's me. Players need to read the terms and conditions of their credit cards and bank accounts, that's not for me or anyone else to deal with. This is a responsibility of the player.

Mind you, this only affects US based players - which is less than half the traffic here (about 40%). Even so, if you are implying that I need to monitor how casinos accept deposits or make payments for 40 percent of the players that come through here - sorry to disappoint you, but I don't have these resources.

It's up to the members here to think for themselves. If a US player has been using a Master Card to make deposits knowing that they are wrong in doing so - well it's a good chance they are going to have problems down the road. I shouldn't be expected to be waving a flag in front of their faces saying "what are you doing??" Next, I'll be having to tell people to turn their headlights on when they drive at night.

Same thing goes for the casinos. If they are planning to shoot themselves in the foot, then that's a business decision that will have consequences sooner or later. Again, this is something that this site is not involved with.

The best way to "advocate" what to do and what to avoid is by giving a platform for these things to be discussed and examined. So here ya go .

Knowledge is power.

It seems more and more casinos are making it perfectly clear they prefer cards over wallets. The number of operators, even accredited ones, that treat wallet users as "second class" is driving players back to using cards, just to get the service advertised as a "first class citizen" - in other words, a valued customer.

This week, things just got worse, an accredited casino refused to pay my winnings back to Neteller, and insisted on sending a cheque. This is despite the fact that Neteller has been my ONLY method used to deposit since I signed up. This is a considerable inconvenience, since instead of receiving the money last Tuesday, I am STILL waiting for the cheque, and when I get it, it will be a further 5 days at least before it becomes available to me in my bank account.

I am NOT AMERICAN, so WHY is this now starting to affect ME, even if indirectly. It looks to me like operators have their funds "stalled", and cannot move them around as before, and are having to resort to emergency measures to pay even their non US players. Before this week, this group have ALWAYS paid me back to Neteller, and this week's withdrawals of 1000 and 1200 are by no means large, so should NOT have caused a problem down to funds being in the wrong place. I WAS paid 1600 back to Neteller on Monday, from the SAME GROUP, so WTF is going on

I think that non-US players ARE going to see a few problems as a result of this card crackdown, and the other processor busts that effectively cause large amounts intended to pay winners to be seized, requiring them to be replaced out of current revenues.

 

[gambler777]

I have still been able to use my netspend gift visa at all the casinos, as well as my bank has never blocked me from using my visa debit/credit card. So I am not sure but if you buy the gift visa card from all access gift .. which is a netspend card, I have never had a problem unless their server was down so could not authorize.

 

[amatrine]

I have used my card yesterday no problem . I can not use ewallets. I can not even remember which one it was now, but a couple years ago, my bank blocked transactions from one of the ewallets. Then they would not even allow QT.

I can only withdraw by ACH since I have a PO box with no mail delivery here, and they will not send checks to PO boxes.

Well, now I see ACH is no longer an option at places I play, so looks like I am done. They have taken NS with no problem but what is the point if I can not withdraw. First it was Rivals, now RTG is following suit. No problems at Betson casinos, but I will not play there again until they fix their glitches. Trust is the most important factor, and when you have glitches that do not pay wins, well, I am not that desperate.

 

[jetset]

Interesting to see the way the feds are going after companies associated with online gambling busts...and not just the e-processor outfits either.

There have been a stream of individual and company prosecutions generated by the Kansas City grand jury probe and ancillary FBI activity, with the latest being an Arizona company and one using servers in Costa Rica (not sure how the feds make the latter charge stick - that could be interesting from a jurisdictional point of view).

"Two companies, Phoenix International Teleport Satellite Services of Chandler, Arizona and Elite Sports, a company in San Jose, Costa Rica, were charged with participating in a prohibited illegal gambling [online sports betting] business.

"The betting ring operated through a toll-free number, two Web sites and Internet servers based in Costa Rica. Cash was paid out or collected in person, typically on a weekly basis, the indictment claimed.

"Elite Sports processed and tracked bettors activities on a server in Costa Rica, charging a price-per-head fee for managing the accounts, the indictment said.

"Phoenix International provided the toll-free numbers.

"The indictment charged each defendant with one count of aiding and abetting one another to operate an illegal gambling business.

"The indictment includes a forfeiture provision, which means the defendants would have to give the government any proceeds they gained from the alleged illegal acts, including the more than $3.58 million in gross wagers.

"Phoenix International would give up all equipment used to transmit calls or Internet traffic to Costa Rica, including computers, servers, satellite dishes and other equipment."

 

[felicie]

Interesting to see the way the feds are going after companies associated with online gambling busts...and not just the e-processor outfits either.

There have been a stream of individual and company prosecutions generated by the Kansas City grand jury probe and ancillary FBI activity, with the latest being an Arizona company and one using servers in Costa Rica (not sure how the feds make the latter charge stick - that could be interesting from a jurisdictional point of view).

"Two companies, Phoenix International Teleport Satellite Services of Chandler, Arizona and Elite Sports, a company in San Jose, Costa Rica, were charged with participating in a prohibited illegal gambling [online sports betting] business.

"The betting ring operated through a toll-free number, two Web sites and Internet servers based in Costa Rica. Cash was paid out or collected in person, typically on a weekly basis, the indictment claimed.

"Elite Sports processed and tracked bettors activities on a server in Costa Rica, charging a price-per-head fee for managing the accounts, the indictment said.

"Phoenix International provided the toll-free numbers.

"The indictment charged each defendant with one count of aiding and abetting one another to operate an illegal gambling business.

"The indictment includes a forfeiture provision, which means the defendants would have to give the government any proceeds they gained from the alleged illegal acts, including the more than $3.58 million in gross wagers.

"Phoenix International would give up all equipment used to transmit calls or Internet traffic to Costa Rica, including computers, servers, satellite dishes and other equipment."

Isn't the above sort of like a Bookie? This all sounds like a lot more than playing slots and poker at online casinos. Sounds like big boy stuff where the laws have been real clear for ages.

 

[love2winalot]

Why try to legalize, and regulate online gambling, when you can just Fine the hell out of them? It truely is, ALL ABOUT THE MONEY $$$$$$.

 

[Shyguy]

We were informed today that players from the US "can still use" Visa at online casinos and Mastercard can be used if it doesn't work first of all, by submitting an authorization form.

I don't think MC/V have pulled out of the market all together but are simply making it more difficult for players to use these cards to make deposits.

It shows the US Government that they are "doing their bit" but in reality they are just making the system more bureaucratic for players.

 

[cindie7777]

This is a very long thread and I may have missed the answer to this question

Where does the money go that is held or whatever they want to call extortion does the casino eventually recieve it?

Because the way I feel is that is my d*** money and if I want to spend it at a fricking casino thats no ones business and the money better not be going to these crooked Banksters that are raping Americans coming and going. They get my payroll taxes with bailouts, they are allowed to screw customers over with their fees and procedures, Congress won't make a move until they hear what the Bank Lobby would like for them to do. I'm so sick of this because from reading this I feel like this is another way for them to rip us off legally. The money that I charge on my prepaid debit should go to the person I intend it to go to or it should be put back in my account. It better not be confiscated without my knowledge. Please someone tell me the casinos eventually get their money our money and not the crooked fraudulent Banksters.

 

[alfred666]

Where does the money go that is held or whatever they want to call extortion does the casino eventually recieve it?

The money goes directly to the card associations (mainly Mastercard in this case). Depending on the individual circumstances, some money may be released to the merchant at a later stage again, but usually a big portion is lost in fines.

This isn't a new business model for MC either, they are known to generate a very significant part of their overall revenue from fines.

 

[SeattleSinner]

Would someone mind PMing some good casinos that accept MC?

 

[footdr]

I would have to reply .......

"none"
Have tried virtually everywhere.

 

[3mptyseat]

Would someone mind PMing some good casinos that accept MC?

It just takes an impulse control problem grand enough to work these things out... So u got a mastercard, and u wanna use it for online gaming, in some form? Well then you start by going to a website like entropay. Create. Verify. Deposit. and Presto, u now have a Virtual Visa for ur 4.5percent. It will work at places like quicktender. Which works at tons of fabulous casinos. It also works for me at all of the level 11 US facing (US raking) MG's sites as well...

And then u got any casino that uses alert pay to consider. There are more casinos accepting AlertP out there then I care to admit. (3 RTGS I guess are the only options for Stateside gaming) And AlertP charges all fees thru the vendor, so its 20 bux off the MC for 20 bux in casino funny money...

But if I may retort to the OP: IF there are 'good' casinos available for the US gambler, most of them you have to be 'grandfathered-in' at, and the remaining handful are not as good as they used to be. Of these, none take MC directly, that I am aware of...