Main Street Group in the Reservation (was BBF)
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This is a case where they should not be quoting a WR at all, let alone in big letters, and leaving the definition to the terms. They could of course send different emails to different players quoting the true WR.
The use of big letters to make a false claim is considered more misleading that simply sticking with the regular size print of the rest of the advertisement. If a claim is made clearly in big letters like this, the terms should not contain anything that makes that claim false. Try that in the UK and the ASA would find against the company. Pity they are pretty toothless, and all they can really do is ban the mailer in it's current form, a loophole that allowed Betfair off the hook over their notorious "Happy Hour" promo. Trading Standards have more clout, but little jurisdiction to act in the case of the internet.
We will have to wait till 2015 to see how the UK handles casinos from outside the EU that market to UK players via the internet. At best, they can create a blacklist that UK players can consult to see whether a casino they see an internet advertisement for is properly licensed to operate within the UK. Other countries seem to be telling ISPs to block certain domains that offer gambling services without the relevant license. This at least makes it hard to attract the casual players who will give up as soon as they find the domain has been blocked.
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How did you go Max?
Is it worth filing a PAB to have them take another look at Wagering terms for non-US players?
Whilst I am not bothered too much with bonuses, I do like to be treated fairly in all regards and 100xWR on selected slots only is awful.
I will not play based on this alone.
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A PM came in yesterday, basically said "looking into it".
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Nevermind... found the answer.... 
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They are still listed in the reservations section at the moment. They have a new rep on board who I will be conferring with in the next couple of days who I know pretty well. If there are any issues at all, I'm confident he can nip them in the bud - but we need to talk first.
What I'm seeing here is that there is an issue with an overly high wagering requirement for European players. And there have been times that support has been slow. Anything else specific would be great to know.
What I'm seeing here is that there is an issue with an overly high wagering requirement for European players. And there have been times that support has been slow. Anything else specific would be great to know.
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The problem with this is that they don't get told this when being sent offers, and they get the standard US player terms if anything is written about wagering in said email. Non US players would consider this misleading advertising as the terms given apply to only ONE country, so can hardly be considered the "standard terms" given how much bigger the "rest of world" is than "the US".
If they pass on this basis, a note about the high WR for "everybody else" should be added to their listing, as it is very uncompetitive compared to what non-US players can get at other RTG casinos.
They could be a good offering, but strictly for US players, a terrible deal for the rest of us, one to be avoided.
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Just a minor correction; Canada is a separate country to America!
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Where did you see 20x for USA players? The lowest I've seen is 30 and if you use mst gift card it's 40x. There bonuses are cashable and no max on winnings. I've learned not to use the bonuses that much as I blew threw 1300 in winnings to meet wr on a bonus. To me 30x or 100 makes no difference because most of the time you're going to bust out.
I don't know what it is about Greece that's causing the 100x wr and the size of the letters is not different in their bonus terms. They're not a bad group but do need to adjust their terms.
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Not sure if this is the place to put this but after I went to the link from this thread to slotsplus my antivirus (avast) went berserk. Just thought I'd let you know. 
when i saw? in the spams that i received from them before i made the PAB to try make put my money there, and in that time i put
because like in the e-mail was the "LOW WR" in BIG LETTERS, i belived cause they was acredited
when tried to cash out, did not get paid, 1st it was rejected due to have more WR after all, didnt like it, however, i was able to complete the 1st 100 times of WR, tried to cashout again, they called me, they say it was aproved, in live chat they said no because it was another 100x WR (200X in total)
made a PAB, but like in that time i was stupid i did not save the conversation of the phone, so live chat won
bryan it would be excellent if you looked to the pab i´ve made again, and try to speak with that new rep about that
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Bryan does not read ALL the posts made on the forum!
If you want him to look at something you need to send him a PM or "report" your own post.
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For me, Chat Support has been excellent.
For whatever it's worth, I have chatted with several people in this group and feel like their service in comparison to many is definitely above average. They are friendly, helpful, and are able to communicate in writing clearly and concisely.
I have made perhaps six deposits in total at their sites over the past two or three years and I have never won nor do recall even having any nice hits. But this only mean that I cannot comment on how good the service is AFTER they get your money and it is my turn to get THEIRS.
I did make an my very first deposit at Old Havana about a week ago. No luck--but I'm the first to admit I am generally an aggressive bettor and it usually goes one way or the other pretty fast.
I'm considering that second deposit at Old Havana after completing this post. Hopefully I'll catch that win so I can report on how my WITHDRAWAL experience goes.
For whatever it's worth, I have chatted with several people in this group and feel like their service in comparison to many is definitely above average. They are friendly, helpful, and are able to communicate in writing clearly and concisely.
I have made perhaps six deposits in total at their sites over the past two or three years and I have never won nor do recall even having any nice hits. But this only mean that I cannot comment on how good the service is AFTER they get your money and it is my turn to get THEIRS.
I did make an my very first deposit at Old Havana about a week ago. No luck--but I'm the first to admit I am generally an aggressive bettor and it usually goes one way or the other pretty fast.
I'm considering that second deposit at Old Havana after completing this post. Hopefully I'll catch that win so I can report on how my WITHDRAWAL experience goes.
For whatever it's worth, I have chatted with several people in this group and feel like their service in comparison to many is definitely above average. They are friendly, helpful, and are able to communicate in writing clearly and concisely.
I have made perhaps six deposits in total at their sites over the past two or three years and I have never won nor do recall even having any nice hits. But this only mean that I cannot comment on how good the service is AFTER they get your money and it is my turn to get THEIRS.
I did make an my very first deposit at Old Havana about a week ago. No luck--but I'm the first to admit I am generally an aggressive bettor and it usually goes one way or the other pretty fast.
I'm considering that second deposit at Old Havana after completing this post. Hopefully I'll catch that win so I can report on how my WITHDRAWAL experience goes.
before i won the live chat was excelent too, after that, begun the big problems of their lying
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Non-random Blackjack
Two of these casinos, Slots Plus and Old Havana, came up as "non-random" for blackjack in my testing. In fact, they were so far off from the casinos that did test out for randomness that I shortened their testing sessions. Rather than just analyzing individual and conglomerate playing hand results, I test based on statistical games (the number of hands played per game varies widely), which "end" by either reaching a profit target or by losing a specified maximum bet. I then compare the average dollars won per "game" vs. the average dollars lost, which tells me what percentage of games I have to win to profit. In casinos that test out for randomness, these values are exceptionally close, even when using different software. In casinos that have been adjusted to play in the casino's favor, the results are glaringly obvious. I wouldn't recommend playing at this group's casinos.
Two of these casinos, Slots Plus and Old Havana, came up as "non-random" for blackjack in my testing. In fact, they were so far off from the casinos that did test out for randomness that I shortened their testing sessions. Rather than just analyzing individual and conglomerate playing hand results, I test based on statistical games (the number of hands played per game varies widely), which "end" by either reaching a profit target or by losing a specified maximum bet. I then compare the average dollars won per "game" vs. the average dollars lost, which tells me what percentage of games I have to win to profit. In casinos that test out for randomness, these values are exceptionally close, even when using different software. In casinos that have been adjusted to play in the casino's favor, the results are glaringly obvious. I wouldn't recommend playing at this group's casinos.
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er...random actually means, you're NOT going to get consistent results - you may hit loads, lose whacks...that's kind of the point
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In your rambling you've offered zero evidence that they are dealing anything other than a fair game. The burden of proof is on you. I think you should back up your libelous claims, or else retract them.
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As described, this is not scientifically valid.
You cannot stop collecting data and use the early results to decide that a longer set of results would prove a specific theorem statistically.
Random blackjack can produce a HUGE swing early on, yet longer term still end up being shown to be random on a statistical test.
One has to take a pretty large sample in Blackjack to prove that a game is cheating (in other words, is not random).
If anything, you should concentrate your efforts towards beating the games you believe are not random, as these games are the "cheaters", and if the cheat mechanism is non adaptive, a system should be able to beat them.
Surely, if RTG had a cheating Blackjack game, it would have been statistically busted long ago.
What we DO know about RTG is that the games can be reset to different RTPs by an operator, and with Blackjack, this is done by increasing the number of decks used, up to 255 I believe. The number of decks is not specified in the rules, but does affect both the RTP and behaviour of the game. The effect is greatest when fewest decks are used. 255 decks is effectively an "infinite shoe", and no card counting system could ever beat an "infinite shoe" setup.
Far better would be to look at single deck or two deck games with RTPs very close to 100%, such as Microgaming's Classic Blackjack. Here, a very small element of non randomness could yield a strategy that might beat the house, and card counting as the hand plays out may also gain a small extra edge.
If the casino also awards comps on such a game, this too could be treated as an additional contribution to RTP, maybe enough for a +EV system.
It was possible to get a +EV advantage for Classic Blackjack at the old Jackpot Factory VIP casino (it isn't now, you have missed the boat). The comps were a return of 0.2%, which was greater than the house edge for Classic Blackjack, and JF forgot to use a weighted earning system, instead using the 1 point per £10 wagered original MGS variant, which for VIPs in VIP Lounge was doubled, thus producing 0.2% return from comps, and more than 99.8% return from the Classic Blackjack game. This was very slightly +EV, but they also did wager challenges where the more you wagered, the more points you scored.
The bad news, it isn't worth it unless you use a bot, which is against the terms and conditions, and if caught, your RTP drops to 0%, although you will find your deposit thrown out after you as you are booted out of the door.
It also wouldn't work with a bonus, as the play would be more thoroughly audited, and they would spot the bot straight away (there is no Autoplay on Classic Blackjack, so claiming "it wasn't a bot, just autoplay" would not work.
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just what is your authority?
Who are you to be an authority on random testing? Are you a statistics professor? A PhD in probability?
As said above, this is quite libelous, so you need your facts straight and statistical tests backed up before making such a strong accusation of this group and the Main Street casinos.
Who are you to be an authority on random testing? Are you a statistics professor? A PhD in probability?
As said above, this is quite libelous, so you need your facts straight and statistical tests backed up before making such a strong accusation of this group and the Main Street casinos.
Good to see they are still in the reservation section. Rightly so considering the discriminatory stance they have taken against players outside the US and Canada. Then there are such issues as not including the correct WR requirements on emails they send to players from outside country's. I'd like to think that they would be made to stop this practice before they can pass Baptism by Fire.
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They should do, because this comes under advertising legislation. Where they send these emails to existing players, they have no excuse for not using non-US specific advertising so that customers are not mislead.
I very much doubt it will be a problem for UK players in a year or so as the new UK licensing rules kick in, and then even offering the CORRECT information to UK players would be an offence without the appropriate license, although there is little the UK authorities could do about it other than to operate a blacklist site informing players of casinos that are deemed to be illegally accepting UK bets.
Given that the UK government are after the 15% tax, they are bound to blacklist casinos without proper licenses no matter how reputable they may be.
and they, applly the "Non US Rules" without let the player know
it happened with me
and then they increase the WR automaticly on live chat
it happened with me
thats just wrong there's no excuse for that sort of unethical business practice. i'd be really concerned should casinomeister pass this group when there are obvious issues.
i made a pab in that tiem (they was acredited), because they not piad me, but failed because in the phone they tell me 1 thing, in the chat another different, but in that time i was a bit newbie and i did not save the conversations, now after they are in BOF again, i ask to bryan to try solve that problem with their new rep and until now i dont know if they have answered something or not.
Not sure if this has already been discussed here, but i find this term to be pretty awfull:
Players from outside US and Canada: Due to a higher incidence of fraud and bonus abuse, PLAYERS LOCATED OUTSIDE USA AND CANADA WILL NEED TO ACCOMPLISH TWICE THE REGULAR WAGERING REQUIREMENTS ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND THE GAMES ABOVE, AND THE WAGERING LIMITATION ON ALL BONUSES AND PROMOTIONS WILL BE INCREASED TO 100 TIMES IF REAL SERIES VIDEO SLOTS IS INVOLVED.
So , basicly the wagering requirement when playing SLOTS is 100 times, thats just plain sick. I mean yes there are a few other slots then the real series ones. I mean punish customers that are not from usa and canada is pretty awful, but making a term that real series slots its 4x the standard wagering.
If they wish to pull 100x wagering on players its their right, but putting this term apart from the general 25x bonus terms, and "hiding" it thats just not right. I think most people would concur that they wouldnt touch a casino with 100x wagering on slots .
Players from outside US and Canada: Due to a higher incidence of fraud and bonus abuse, PLAYERS LOCATED OUTSIDE USA AND CANADA WILL NEED TO ACCOMPLISH TWICE THE REGULAR WAGERING REQUIREMENTS ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND THE GAMES ABOVE, AND THE WAGERING LIMITATION ON ALL BONUSES AND PROMOTIONS WILL BE INCREASED TO 100 TIMES IF REAL SERIES VIDEO SLOTS IS INVOLVED.
So , basicly the wagering requirement when playing SLOTS is 100 times, thats just plain sick. I mean yes there are a few other slots then the real series ones. I mean punish customers that are not from usa and canada is pretty awful, but making a term that real series slots its 4x the standard wagering.
If they wish to pull 100x wagering on players its their right, but putting this term apart from the general 25x bonus terms, and "hiding" it thats just not right. I think most people would concur that they wouldnt touch a casino with 100x wagering on slots .
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So, in the USA it requires the use of "banking fraud" in order to just do business, yet they have the nerve to accuse anyone outside of the US and Canada of living in a region where fraud is endemic.
In any case, making the WR 100x, even 1000x does nothing to combat fraud. If I steal some credit card info and attempt to launder the proceeds through a casino, I would not worry too much about WR, after all, it's not my money, and if it got too high, I would simply play without bonuses, but make sure they could not pay back to the source of the deposit (simple, use a MasterCard product).
Only the genuine player using their own money is going to be seriously inconvenienced by this, but even this won't last much longer as they will soon be banned from accepting UK bets (they certainly don't seem keen on players outside of the US), and in a few years more, there is a good chance that US regulated operators will drive the likes of Top Game, RTG, Rival etc out of the desires of US customers who will find the official US licensed operations are forced to provide a much better level of service.
In any case, why would a non US player deposit at the ONLY casino that imposes a 100x WR on slots bonuses when every other RTG casino offers a better deal.
It's clear, this is a deliberate attempt by Main Street to deter non US players so as to allow them to concentrate on keeping all their eggs in one basket. If the DoJ or anything else were to knock that one basket out of their hands, they would be screwed. I can't see how they could quickly go from calling us a "bunch of fraudsters" and subjecting those who can't take the hint to a 100x WR, to trying to win us as customers quickly enough to get the cash flowing to save them from the consequences of the sudden drying up of the US market.
yes it was discussed
but what is worse than that
is they sending personal e-mails with 25x WR and if the player wins in live chat they say its 100x
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I'm going to go ahead and keep them in the "Reservation" section. They are a good casino group for some, but the 100x bonus WR is just a bit too much and isn't quite fair. If they balance this across the map, then I don't see them having any issues here. But as long as most players here are non-US, it's going to cause problems I'm afraid.
Translation: I was losing so I quit.
Translation: I make a deposit and hope to win enough to make a withdrawal. Sometimes I go broke.
Translation: I check to see if I was on a winning or losing streak.... When I played here I lost.
Translation: If I won the games are random. If I lost they aren't.
I used to play at Sun Palace but one of the things that always bugged me was the 5x WR on deposits without bonuses. I could understand 1x for money laundering purposes but 5x is more than high enough to end up going broke before making a withdrawal. If I deposit $100 and play 1 dollar spins I could get a decent bonus round in the first 100 spins and be sitting with a $500 balance but now I have to wager almost the entire thing at least once before I cash out. It's a recipe for disaster.
I couldn't find this in the terms and conditions so I contacted support to see if it was still there somewhere.
You (07:46:51) : Do deposits without bonuses have a wage requirement? I think they used to.
You (07:46:58) : It was like 5x or something?
You (07:47:36) : 5x WR if I don't take a bonus?
Paula (07:47:51) : correct
You (07:47:57) : Ok, thanks. I tried to find it in the TOC but I can't.
You (07:48:03) : Do you have a link to where it states that?
Paula (07:48:30) : Can I have your username and in which casino do you have it?
You (07:48:29) : I'm just looking at your TOCs.
You (07:48:57) : I thought that was the rule years ago but I couldn't remember if it was this casino group.
You (07:49:16) : Is it on your website in your terms and conditions?
Disconnected by the operator. Chat session has ended.
I guess not?
This is also kind of weird.
Players from Greece: Wagering requirements on all bonuses and promotions will be increased to 200 times if Blackjack is involved.
I blame this guy. The lesser known Greek God of Blackjack.
I couldn't find this in the terms and conditions so I contacted support to see if it was still there somewhere.
You (07:46:51) : Do deposits without bonuses have a wage requirement? I think they used to.
You (07:46:58) : It was like 5x or something?
You (07:47:36) : 5x WR if I don't take a bonus?
Paula (07:47:51) : correct
You (07:47:57) : Ok, thanks. I tried to find it in the TOC but I can't.
You (07:48:03) : Do you have a link to where it states that?
Paula (07:48:30) : Can I have your username and in which casino do you have it?
You (07:48:29) : I'm just looking at your TOCs.
You (07:48:57) : I thought that was the rule years ago but I couldn't remember if it was this casino group.
You (07:49:16) : Is it on your website in your terms and conditions?
Disconnected by the operator. Chat session has ended.
I guess not?
This is also kind of weird.
Players from Greece: Wagering requirements on all bonuses and promotions will be increased to 200 times if Blackjack is involved.
I blame this guy. The lesser known Greek God of Blackjack.
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Good news!
I was just checking their current T&Cs for a major update I'm doing on my websites, and they have now changed this term at their Old Havana Casino...
But the BAD NEWS is the WR for non North Americans there is now (D+B) x200!
Even the WR for USA and Canada has been increased by 50%, from (D+B)x40 to x60...
Can we please have a "Completely Lost the Plot" category added to next years CasinoMeister's Awards?
KK
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Good news!
I was just checking their current T&Cs for a major update I'm doing on my websites, and they have now changed this term at their Old Havana Casino...
But the BAD NEWS is the WR for non North Americans there is now (D+B) x200!
Even the WR for USA and Canada has been increased by 50%, from (D+B)x40 to x60...
Can we please have a "Completely Lost the Plot" category added to next years CasinoMeister's Awards?
KK
I rarely say this but one must be outta his mind to take a bonus with those terms. The JC WRS seem meek in comparison.
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200x d+b so deposit 1000 get 1000 wager left 400.000, a walk in the park 
but om serious notes thats just sick.
but om serious notes thats just sick.
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Wouldn't deposit a penny in those places.
Calling non USA/Canada players all bonus abusers...Like lol wtf?
Calling non USA/Canada players all bonus abusers...Like lol wtf?
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could it have something to do with cashflow problems or are they going to shut up shop as such hence to why they dont give two flying ducks about its members ? ? ?
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They clearly do not want ANY non US players, but rather than say so, they make the terms so ridiculous that only the clinically insane non US player would still be interested.
This is dangerous for US players too, as there is very little coming in from outside the US with which to subsidise the very high costs and risks of running the gauntlet of UIGEA. This also means that should it become non viable to continue taking US bets, the group may fold, not having enough time to make a U turn in their attitude to non US players and recruit enough to keep enough cash flowing in.
Non US players do not have to wait and hope for Main Street to look like they want them, they have plenty of choice.
This was the sticking point that blocked them from becoming accredited after they had sorted out their 14 day pending period, and they showed no interest in making the necessary changes. Now we know why, they actually wanted to move in the opposite direction altogether.
Since they discriminate so dramatically between US and non US players, it would be misleading to accredit them on a general list due to the very different standards of service being offered. They might, however, belong on an accredited list designed specifically for US players as the 60x WR is merely "a bit high", rather than "excessive".
I think it's also a new "world record" for a WR, as it is applied across the board to ALL players except for one country. We have seen 100x before, but this has been limited to a small number of countries, and a small minority of potential players.
If they need to make it this harsh, it's because they are not making money on the older 100x WR for everyone else, and 40x for US players. The costs of the "insane" fees charged by the dodgy processors who continue to offer a service to bypass UIGEA, coupled with the dodgy processors that simply do a runner with Main Street's money (which means they end up having to pay players twice), must be a far bigger burden than the similar costs for dealing with transactions with non US players.
Other operators have coped by expanding into Europe, so that the rising costs and falling receipts from the core US market can be covered by the rising receipts and perhaps falling costs of servicing the non US market.
This is dangerous for US players too, as there is very little coming in from outside the US with which to subsidise the very high costs and risks of running the gauntlet of UIGEA. This also means that should it become non viable to continue taking US bets, the group may fold, not having enough time to make a U turn in their attitude to non US players and recruit enough to keep enough cash flowing in.
Non US players do not have to wait and hope for Main Street to look like they want them, they have plenty of choice.
This was the sticking point that blocked them from becoming accredited after they had sorted out their 14 day pending period, and they showed no interest in making the necessary changes. Now we know why, they actually wanted to move in the opposite direction altogether.
Since they discriminate so dramatically between US and non US players, it would be misleading to accredit them on a general list due to the very different standards of service being offered. They might, however, belong on an accredited list designed specifically for US players as the 60x WR is merely "a bit high", rather than "excessive".
I think it's also a new "world record" for a WR, as it is applied across the board to ALL players except for one country. We have seen 100x before, but this has been limited to a small number of countries, and a small minority of potential players.
If they need to make it this harsh, it's because they are not making money on the older 100x WR for everyone else, and 40x for US players. The costs of the "insane" fees charged by the dodgy processors who continue to offer a service to bypass UIGEA, coupled with the dodgy processors that simply do a runner with Main Street's money (which means they end up having to pay players twice), must be a far bigger burden than the similar costs for dealing with transactions with non US players.
Other operators have coped by expanding into Europe, so that the rising costs and falling receipts from the core US market can be covered by the rising receipts and perhaps falling costs of servicing the non US market.
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I have had the most luck at Main Street Group compared to Club World, Inetbet, and Jackpot Capital group. It did take 19 days to get $1600 but was paid. Won $2100 at Slots Plus yesterday and assume payment will take awile. I agree that if you are not from the USA it would not make sense to play at the group because of insane wagering requirments. I don't play at Old Havana but the other 4 casinos in the group have a 30X bet requirement for US players and bonus money is included unlike Club World group. Don't like waiting so long to get paid but it is better than playing other RTG groups and never winning. Still wish we could use Microgaming but RTG is better than 3Dice in my opinion. Just my 2 cents. Good luck to all.
I have had the most luck at Main Street Group compared to Club World, Inetbet, and Jackpot Capital group. It did take 19 days to get $1600 but was paid. Won $2100 at Slots Plus yesterday and assume payment will take awile. I agree that if you are not from the USA it would not make sense to play at the group because of insane wagering requirments. I don't play at Old Havana but the other 4 casinos in the group have a 30X bet requirement for US players and bonus money is included unlike Club World group. Don't like waiting so long to get paid but it is better than playing other RTG groups and never winning. Still wish we could use Microgaming but RTG is better than 3Dice in my opinion. Just my 2 cents. Good luck to all.
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