KasinoKing's SlotBeater Strategy

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But it is all my personal true experiences, so I'm not changing it for anyone.

Amen to that.

The only thing that worries me about you KK - is the bet sizes on your 'Winner Screenshots' snaps seem to be creeping up :eek:

I remember the days when if you posted a screenshot with a bet size above 90p there was outcry; get you with your 2 plus.

Now stop making money with your 'self control' and so called 'money management' - it makes me SICK... YOU HEAR ME?.. SICK!

Why can't you just lose it all on a regular basis like the rest of us? :D
 
I chose my words carefully, I said more probable, not more likely.
There is a big difference between probability and odds IMO.
I'm not sure what you mean by that, the terms Probability and Odds mean exactly the same thing, in that they both express the likelihood of some random event occurring, but the answers are expressed in different ways.
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and I don't understand what you mean with your example, are you saying that if you head 10 heads in a row during the first 1024 goes that you are less likely to get another 10 heads in a row?

It reminds me of an old joke
'the odds of there being a bomb on a plane is a million to one.
the odds of there being two bombs on a plane is a trillion to one (a million times a million, for americans anyway).
So, just to be safe, I always take a bomb on with me!'

BTW, I am not disputing at all that it works, just trying to clarify things. If you're not interested in discussing it then I won't persue it.
 
Why can't you just lose it all on a regular basis like the rest of us? :D

I agree.

Could all casinos please turn the 'off' switch 'on' for KK's accounts immediately?

When we all think that he has lost enough to make us feel better, we will post back here and you can turn the 'off' switch 'off', or the 'on' switch 'on' , or the 'jammy git' switch 'on'

:D

You're right though KK.....if were selling the strategy .i.e making it only available to those who pay and gaurantee the results then JHV might (and I stress might) have had a reason to have a bee in his bonnet. However, it was publicly available and NOT gauranteed so he really needs to get a life.
 
Can you please explain why it isn't true?

I chose my words carefully, I said more probable, not more likely.
There is a big difference between probability and odds IMO.


KK


Sorry to say this, but that is just plain stupid and I suggest you take a course in basic mathematics if you don't understand this.

I very well beleive that you have been profiting from slot bonuses, even while betting low. This is because of the high bust-rate of slots. The irony of it all is that you would have made much more money if you had used big bet's. But I respect that you like low varriance gambling and that you do it for fun.

So, the only thing I hold against your "strategy" is your flawed mathematics about increasing your bet size after x amounts of spins. That is just plain wrong and missinformation, and I suggest you remove it from your "strategy".
 
Hi KK,

I swore I wasn't getting involved in this one lol :rolleyes:

Ok KK, the mistake you are making is the most basic one in the book. It's completely natural so don't feel to bad about it. The big major pitfall is that we as humans fail to appreciate our presence in time as an important factor here.

The odds that we will be seeing 10 heads in a row in our next 10 tosses is 1 in 1024.

The odds that we saw 10 heads in a row in our last 10 tosses is not 1 in 1024 . It's either 1 if we did, or 0 if we didn't.

If we use this in calculations the difference becomes apparent.

we will throw a coin 2 times. before we throw the odds of hitting two heads are 1/2 * 1/2 = 1/4.

after the first throw, the odds of hitting two heads have changed. If we hit a head the first coin it is

1 * 1/2 = 1/2

if we hit tail the first time it is

0 * 1/2 = 0.

Everything you see in the past happened, so it has a probability of 1. After you just hit the jackpot that only happens one in a million, its still probability 1 that it just happened .. cause it just did.

After you see 4 heads the probability for 5 heads is not 1 in 32 (1/(2*2*2*2*2)) but one in 2 (1/(2*1*1*1*1)).

In your reasoning, you take say 50 samples in the past that are unlucky, and 50 samples in the future that are undetermined. Then you say since I didn't hit in the first 50, and it hits on average every 100, I'm now more likely to hit in the next 50. Which is the equivalent of saying since the roulette just landed on red, and on average it has to land the same amount of times on red and black, it is now more likely to land on black. The slot is not more likely to hit in the next 50 and the roulette is not more likely to hit black since the odds of the past events are always simply 1 no mater how exceptionally rare they were.

In short, the OP and some of the other posters here are correct in saying that the strategy you outline on your website is (sensitively formulated) flawed. There's one good piece of advice there and that is always deposit with bonuses.

Apart from that it is by no means the most profitable strategy (play absolute maxbet on the highest variance game you find) - nor the least profitable one (play absolute min bet on the lowest variance game you find). It's just one of the many things 'inbetween' that one could do.

The reason you have consistently made a profit has nothing to do with your strategy. It has to do with the simple fact that if you calculate the following numbers :

X = total of KK own deposit.
Y = total of casino bonuses
Z = total stake on the slots

you made a profit because Z*0.05 < (X+Y) ..

And so the strategy that would be valid on the slotbeaters site is to keep Z as low as you can by maximizing bets and risk.

As a final note, I would like to add a little self-test here .. if you can answer the following question correctly, we both know that the explenation got through :)

Say I have a closed bag with in it two colored chips. One is red on two sides, and the other is green on one side and red on the other. I take one chip out of the bag and show you one side. You see red. What are the odds that I picked the chip with the green ?

Cheers,

Enzo
 
Apart from that it is by no means the most profitable strategy (play absolute maxbet on the highest variance game you find) - nor the least profitable one (play absolute min bet on the lowest variance game you find).
While that is true, on average, many people won't play enough to see their results converge to the average.
And so the strategy that would be valid on the slotbeaters site is to keep Z as low as you can by maximizing bets and risk.
Only if you want a theoretically maximum return, but with the risk of losing money every month until you die on the day you finally hit a really big win!

Playing smaller bets at lower variance is more likely to see you consistently in profit - which is probably a far more reasonable aim for most people.

I don't really have a problem with the strategy, it's quite a reasonable and prudent approach, but I think that the reasoning behind it is a little suspect.
 
Say I have a closed bag with in it two colored chips. One is red on two sides, and the other is green on one side and red on the other. I take one chip out of the bag and show you one side. You see red. What are the odds that I picked the chip with the green ?

Cheers,

Enzo

1/2...Now do I get a deposit bonus Enzo:D

Thanks a lot for that explanation.

I have to agree with a lot of posters that it is not more probable that you will hit something on the next spin, or hundred spins.

And the reason that high rollers are not breaking the bank with KK's strategy is that there are limits to the deposit bonuses.

KK only takes the most attractive ones, and doesn't win on every deposit.

Personally, I think that by not playing KK's strategy, or his own, JHV should have to pay KK big bucks for taking up this much time posting on this subject, and therefore avoiding another large loss playing on TILT.;)
 
Say I have a closed bag with in it two colored chips. One is red on two sides, and the other is green on one side and red on the other. I take one chip out of the bag and show you one side. You see red. What are the odds that I picked the chip with the green ?
50/50.
Did I pass? :p

As a by-the-way, I actually got 84% in A-Level maths.
I don't know how that equates to other countries standards, but I do know that 2 + 2 = 5.
:rolleyes:

KK
 
Well, if we are bragging, I achieved 100 percent in all three math courses in my senior year.

And our provincial math competitions (only entered by math geeks) I was in the top ten percentile, and in the top one percentile for girls.

Just call me "Barbie"..."Math is hard":D
 
A most interesting thread!

I think JHV raises a very interesting concept - would an affiliate deliberately post up a flawed strategy so as to attract and keep a bigger player base? And certainly I have seen strategies on other affiliate sites that look highly dubious at best.

It is a shame JHV has ended up getting banned over this. Certainly in other forums I post in I have seen a lot worse. We're all big boys and all that. Yes the posts were strong but they were levelled at KK the Slotbusters affiliate, not KK the very helpful forum poster. My personal view is if you put yourself out there as an affiliate then you are going to get shot at more than a regular playing member. I hope the mods can take onboard all the excellent and insightful posts JHV had done and when the dust settles it would be good if he can come back. The guy is a very talented poster and as a player I know he is factually correct on a lot of issues.

Back to the question - Is KK peddling a lousy strategy that will gain him a portfolio of low rolling losers that will feed him a revenue stream month after month?

IMO it's not a question that is easy to answer yes or no to, so I think it is a very legitimate question to ask. I have had a quick look over the site and I would say overall it does present the strategy in a balanced way.

To summarise the KK strategy is a sub optimal way of playing with a bonus so that you have entertainment but also give yourself a chance of being a small net winner over the long run. I think the main issue JHV had was that he felt KK was presenting it as a winning strategy whereas in reality it is more of an entertainment strategy. I have to say I do agree with him on this and can see where a conflict of interest lies. I think if he header was changed from 'winning' to 'playing' it would be a fairer reflection of the strategy.

I personally believe KK is a very sincere guy but I am convinced he doesn't truly understand WHY his strategy does work. I think he knows from his returns that it does give small profits but I don't think he conceptually understands how it works. This is what JHV was explaining above.

As far as KK's strategy goes it is little more than breakeven - which is fine for entertainment purposes. If you stripped out the Ladbrokes results profits would be a lot lower. KK will point to all his records which I am sure are genuine. But really the records are not important as such as it would be possible to work out the thoeretical profit easily enough anyway. And I'm guessing now but it probably is not massively different from his actual results.

All in all there is a lot to be said for the KK strategy. It has many good things about it. KK is making profits and having a lot of fun in the process. He's actually done a lot of good for players by advocating this controlled method. I do however think that unless you have the maths to back it up then advertising a 'winning strategy' on the web is very dangerous. An individual players results are not maths.

So I think JHV did have a fair and legitimate argument. And also that KK is a sincere and genuine guy who is not trying to deliberately scam people.
 
I have to agree with a lot of posters that it is not more probable that you will hit something on the next spin, or hundred spins.
The thing is Jaz, if a feature has a 1 in 100 chance of hitting, and you have just done 300 spins without it, you gotta admit you've been pretty unlucky, no?
Do another 100 and still nothing, you've been very unlucky.
Another 100, you've been very very unlucky.
And so on...

I suppose it depends on just how unlucky you think you can be! :p

KK
 
The odds that we will be seeing 10 heads in a row in our next 10 tosses is 1 in 1024.

*Sorry for the derail folks but I want to catch Enzo while he is here..:)

Those odds sound very familiar to me Enzo. I think those are also my odds of making a large cashout at 3Dice sometime this year...:p

Enzo, I have one for you here....

Assuming I make another deposit at 3Dice before the day is over, and also assuming my average deposit, my average bet, my play style and patterns and yes, one more mix into the equation, my cashout to deposit ratio.....what are the odds of me making a large cashout today at 3Dice? :D
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Assuming I make another deposit at 3Dice before the day is over, and also assuming my average deposit, my average bet, my play style and patterns and yes, one more mix into the equation, my cashout to deposit ratio.....what are the odds of me making a large cashout today at 3Dice? :D
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Well, your average wd to deposit ratio is 15.5, taking into account your betsize and estimatating your play behaviour will be average compared to your past play at 3Dice, the odds you will cash out are roughly 5.6%.

1\4

What do I win? :p

Nothing. its the wrong answer.

It's not 1/2 and not 1/4.

Cheers,

Enzo
 
Hiya: The answer to the 3dice question is, "0". Because the RNG is cheating, and there is NO green side at all. ah hahahaha,.

And we all owe KK a big thanks, for taking the heat for the rest of us. What if JHV had tried ALL the different betting methods on the other affiliate sites, and all the betting methods some have posted on this site?

Good thing for me he was not a Roulette player......;)
 
The thing is Jaz, if a feature has a 1 in 100 chance of hitting, and you have just done 300 spins without it, you gotta admit you've been pretty unlucky, no?
Do another 100 and still nothing, you've been very unlucky.
Another 100, you've been very very unlucky.
And so on...

I suppose it depends on just how unlucky you think you can be! :p

KK

KK, at times I have been very unlucky. At others, incredibly lucky. I often up my bets when winning...I have the bankroll to support it. As long as I lower them again (a strategy I have some problem implementing) while still ahead, I tend to do better.

I take few match bonuses nowadays. A modest hit is not tied into some really difficult WR. But I have had some very good wins following a decent hit because I was still tied into a WR and still playing.

KK, I'm not knocking your overall strategy at all. I just have a problem with that actual phrase.

I know that you have made profit from my play, and would still be making quite a bit more than you are currently from my deposits if I could still play Rival.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. I appreciate the help you've given me in the past, and all the sound advice you offer players here.
 
Yes it is. *

Now you're just getting silly. :mad:

(* Provided the "Pick" is totally blind and random)

I'm sorry KK. The pick is totally blind and random.

yet the answer is NOT 1/2.
and its NOT 1/4.

Cheers,

Enzo
 
It is 1\3.

Stupid stupid reply from me the last time.

(If that is wrong aswell im gonna delete my user :p)
 
It is 1\3.

Stupid stupid reply from me the last time.

(If that is wrong aswell im gonna delete my user :p)

Thank you !!!

Lemme know your 3Dice account# via pm and I'll give you a prize :)

Cheers,

Enzo


** to see why, put it like this .. I have 4 sides in my bag, 3 are red and 1 is green. I show you one side. its red, what is the chance that for any of the remaining sides to be green ?. one in three. Three sides left, one is green so one in three.
 
Thank you !!!

Lemme know your 3Dice account# via pm and I'll give you a prize :)

Cheers,

Enzo


** to see why, put it like this .. I have 4 sides in my bag, 3 are red and 1 is green. I show you one side. its red, what is the chance that for any of the remaining sides to be green ?. one in three. Three sides left, one is green so one in three.


Hehe, I felt totally embarrassed after my last post, while reading DiamondGeezer's great post I asked myself what the fcuk I was thinking on when I wrote 1\4, went to edit it and you guys had already writte a whole new page of post's! LoL... To much activity in here :p

Anyways, I think I actually asked for my account beeing deleted some time last year when I lost around 1k without a feature, lol. No pun intended. But thanx anyway.. :thumbsup:

Btw. You should make a forum competition with assignments like this, they are fun, and will some times really mess with your head.. :D
 
** to see why, put it like this .. I have 4 sides in my bag, 3 are red and 1 is green. I show you one side. its red, what is the chance that for any of the remaining sides to be green ?. one in three. Three sides left, one is green so one in three.
Excuse my French - but what total bollocks!

It's nothing to do with what colour the sides are, or which side you chose to show me.
You said there are 2 chips in the bag and you pick one at random.
The chance of picking either chip IS 1 in 2.

And people say my maths is way out! :eek2:

KK
 
Well, your average wd to deposit ratio is 15.5, taking into account your betsize and estimatating your play behaviour will be average compared to your past play at 3Dice, the odds you will cash out are roughly 5.6%.

LOL Enzo, thanks for being a good sport there...:thumbsup:

I had actually figured it out to be 7.2% but I will concede to your better math head...:)

Have a good weekend my friend!
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