KasinoKing's SlotBeater Strategy

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Big difference.. kk has not asked anyone for money??

Now common sense knows that a strategy is not always 100% successful.


how many strategies can u find on google? to me this is more like a guide on how kk plays the slots. You want to try it out, you do so at your own risk.

Im lost at what you are trying to get at.

I don't know kk from a bar of soap. i just think your being a little harsh.

I really care about this stuff so I will resist the temptation to take cheap shots and run with the assumption you are genuinely confused.

The 'guide' is a strategy that has no mathematical or logical merit. Please read the Wizard of Odds link I posted previously in this thread. Yet the 'guide' is presented very adamantly as a sure-fire strategy for beating a game that cannot be beat long-term (at least not using the Martingale strategy being advocated).

This is deceitful and unethical and hurts innocent (if foolish) victims. KK might subscribe to W.C. Fields: "It's a crime to let a sucker keep his money."

That's a valid approach to life. A bit brutal, I strongly disagree with it, but if you believe deceiving the vulnerable with lies is acceptable - we need to argue the philosophical implications of that in another thread. And I would not ridicule your views on that - I just strongly disagree with them. I'm not an anarchist but I respect their position and arguments, in that they have (some) valid arguments.

But what is not debatable is that KK is hurting people with this kind of misleading deceitful "Strategy Guide". If he has the right to hurt innocent people with it, I have the right to make that fact public on this forum. I do not believe I have the right to take the matter beyond that - this is where I make my opinions heard, and if I'm banned or KK tells me to get lost, that will be the end of that.

If you're still confused, please don't hesitate to pry me for more answers.
 
JHV,

Lucky or unlucky for you, Max isn't up yet and I have the misfortune of dealing with this thread. A couple of observations:

1) Kasino King is a very well respected member of this community
2) Your posts come across in my view as outright trolling. Attacking another member of the forum is not cool.

I'm not really in a position to do anything regarding this thread as my remit on CasinoMeister is to look after the webmasters section. But I can and I am going to lock this thread until Bryan, Max or Simmo come by and decide what to do.

Please don't start another thread on this.

Thanks!
 
Thanks to Webzcas for catching this and doing the right thing. Temporarily suspending this thread was a good call.

Personally I have no basic objection to JHV's questions to KK: "whaddup?" is fair and reasonable.

What isn't fair and reasonable is the 2 microsecond pause JHV obviously skipped before he turned this into another "Casinomeister has gone to shit" rant. Under normal circumstances that would warrant and deserve a 'holiday' and given JHV's repeat offender status the holiday would be long and leisurely.

That said I obviously am not completely impartial here. JHV gets on my tits and seems to enjoy doing so which tends to make me a little irritable when it comes to issues with his name graffittied all over the place. Given that I'm going to recuse myself on this one and leave it for Bryan to make the call.

I will say this though: JHV you seem intelligent and not without wit (which I usually have some admiration for) but your eagerness to play the "happy to be here .. mind if I shit all over your nice place" routine is getting very, very old. In my eye you seem to enjoy walking the line between conscientious objector and troll. This is not endearing behaviour and as a forum moderator is a serious PITA. I suggest you consider _that_ next time you mouse over the "Submit" button.
 
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Oh goody! Another classic "trash me - trash you" thread - launched by no other but JHV. Why always the freakin' drama and personal attacks? Don't you have enough to do at home? Are you that bored?

He's the deal, and I have explained this a number of times. This forum is based on the ideology of freedom of expression. With this freedom, I expect everyone to act like an adult and to respect all members. No matter how emotional you may be about a topic, I expect all members to be able to make a stance and debate a topic with a level head.

Too often, your comments come across as manipulative and troll-like. You also have a knack for instigating the "Casinomeister has gone to shit because he condones this and that and all the crap I don't like". WTF?

Like Bonustreak said earlier, "you're rude". You have the tendency to take the drama route every time you have a point to make. Who is this friend of yours who is formulating these opinions about me and this site because of a webmaster's link in his signature? Why is this so important?

Why does this link overshadow all of the good that is coming from this site? The donations to charity, the PAB system, the management of the Accredited Casino section, the rogue section, the newsletters, the videocasts, contests, casino news, connecting people with i-Gaming reps - operators and managers, reports on i-gaming conferences, how to fight online casino spam sections, "Best and Worst" in online gambling awards, and even a section on how to quit gambling....and of course this forum. Why is it that this link of KKs overshadows all of this?? Because of this link Casinomeister has gone to shit?

You imply that I let my relationship with others affect my judgment. I take offense to that since I make every effort to treat people fairly, whether I know them or not. What about my relationship with the Rushmore group who were removed from the site last week? What about my relationship with some of the people who have had casinos end up in the rogue section? What about that? Have you ever pondered that side of the coin?

This is the umpteenth time I have had to explain to you how I manage this forum and what I expect of members. If you can't exercise restraint when debating an issue - then your membership is not wanted. I will not tolerate another thread like this again. That is your final warning.
 
JHV, why in the hell did you try that so called strategy?

Everyone should see that his "strategy" is one of the worst pieces of bullshit ever. If I would have used it last year I would probably have reached my loss limit for the year in under 3 months.

Ok, it may not be particulary ethical along with his linkspamming on gambling boards. But seriously why did you even think of trying it out?

Edit: saw that you didnt try it out, I really hope its true
 
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Too often, your comments come across as manipulative and troll-like. You also have a knack for instigating the "Casinomeister has gone to shit because he condones this and that and all the crap I don't like". WTF?

Like Bonustreak said earlier, "you're rude". You have the tendency to take the drama route every time you have a point to make.

This is the umpteenth time I have had to explain to you how I manage this forum and what I expect of members.

If you can't exercise restraint when debating an issue - then your membership is not wanted. I will not tolerate another thread like this again. That is your final warning.

I think after all of JHV's posts here since he joined the forum, that he has already demonstrated on numerous occasions that he can't exercise restraint!

He has made that perfectly clear but then again should we expect more from a 28 year old? How much life can one possibly live by the young age of 28? I have kids older than this and I also know how they flake out on occasion.

Player Advocacy and Ethical Behavior JHV? How do you offer this to your forum visitors at your forum and website? Why don't you go ahead and let everyone here know where your forum is located. ;)

Also what about all the peeps that lose tons of money playing at the poker room(s) that you yourself PIMP for? How do you feel about all of those that have lost the rent money by signing up thru your website to the poker room?

House cleaning first starts in your own house buddy!!:rolleyes:
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Firstly, Max you're a champ! I debated my "show myself out" line but figured I was done for anyway - thank you for taking it in the tongue-in-cheek manner in which I intended it.

To Bryan: I'm hella sorry to have posted this on your birthday - I was completely unaware. I'm sorry that my writing so clearly shows my lingering disappointment in this forum not reaching my idealistic standards, but to be fair (and I hope it's ok to say this publicly) I have a PM from you when I addressed this issue privately saying you'd dealt with it effectively and removed the link.

Your efforts and achievements as a Player Advocate is unmatched by anyone in the history of this (relatively new) industry - with what I imagine is daylight between you and 2nd - and I don't know of any other site that provides the service to players at the level you provide with cm.com. But does that mean I cannot point out clear breaches of what I feel are examples of unethical behaviour?

I can mathematically prove that KK's SlotBeater strategy is not only viable, it's designed to MAXIMISE player losses. Players would be better off if they ignored his strategy and just randomly gambled. Following his strategy is the absolute worst thing they can do, mathematically speaking.

I apologise if I'm frustrated that I went the calm, private route on addressing this and was told it was addressed - only to login and see business-as-usual on the issue. But I am. Frustrated. And I believe, fairly so.

And I could outline a laundry-list of examples where players have not been treated with pure objectivity in a dispute with a CM-accredited casino. This is not to say that those examples are even comparable to all the great work you've done over such a long time - but they are there. If I bring them up for discussion, am I to be banned?

I've told you privately that last thing I wish to do is hurt the CM brand and that is not my aim here - actually, my aim is exactly the opposite. But if bringing up issues like this takes away from all the great work you do for players, it's a tough spot for me to be in.

For this particular issue, with the exception of Max's calm and measured response, I have been the the most level-headed and calm poster in this entire thread. I have responding to vicious insults thrown at me with calm responses, with the most emotive word used being 'shill' directed at those throwing insults at me instead of arguments - which is 100% true and we all know it.

I guess I'm finding it really, really hard to continually turn the other cheek. What KK is doing here is morally and ethically wrong - and even illegal. I used humourous satire to point it out, dodged numerous baseless insults thrown at me with calm responses - and I guess I'm having trouble seeing how I'm the bad guy here.

Casinomeister said:
This forum is based on the ideology of freedom of expression. With this freedom, I expect everyone to act like an adult and to respect all members. No matter how emotional you may be about a topic, I expect all members to be able to make a stance and debate a topic with a level head.

I believe I have done exactly that throughout this thread.

JHV, i think you and your friend are full of a bunch of HOOEY, around my area, we call it BULLSHIT and that seems to be what your spewing:rolleyes:


BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!..........laurie

Is this acting like an adult and respecting other members?

It probably means that his Mama made him quit breast feeding at the age of 20 years.

And yes, JHV, I realize that you will give me another neg rep telling me I am stupid. Go for it, Asswipe (oops, there I go again, vicious flamer that I am).

How about this one?

I neither provoked nor responded to these two insults.

I can't help but feel I have to operate under different rules than everyone else, just because I prefer to discuss the controversial issues that many would rather close their eyes to and ignore.
 
Sorry if I've missed the reason for moving the thread, but discussion of Slot strategies is now "off-topic"?
 
Big difference.. kk has not asked anyone for money??

He profits commercially from advertising this mathematically flawed guide which actually is far worse than if the player just took the bonus and went for a gamble joyride. I can prove this with maths and logic if anyone wishes me to do so. There is no difference Matt.

Also another question in your first post you claim that you lost thousands of dollars and that you had a friend get involved that has a skill at math right?

Then later in the thread you claim your the mathematician? So which is it?

The OP was clearly satire in what I thought was a very obvious style of satire. I did not lose any money following that bogus 'strategy' - it's a ludicrous strategy that is flawed, almost from start to finish.

The key to success (as with all games) is money management - knowing when to stop. Don't lose too much on one particular game, and quit when you're ahead & switch to a different game. Like any strategy for any game you do need a bit of good luck (or at least - not too much bad luck) and more importantly than anything - you need self-control.

Just a bit of my personal background: I was a hugely successful advantage player for a very short time but hated it. I was then a hugely successful online poker player for a very long time and eventually hated it. Now I kind of just muck around - a lot of gambling with negative expectation, some medium/high stakes poker (when I feel like it) and lots of reading / writing.

Let me tell you that the key to success in gambling has very little to do with money management and a lot more to do with edge, or mathematical expectation. Bankroll management is a very small part of the many skills that are required to gamble with positive expectation, or with long-term success. Same thing with self-control.

Whilst you won't have success unless you have the ability to manage your bankroll and the ability to control your tilt; simply having those two traits does nothing to actually contribute to your success. In the medium/long term, you require a mathematical edge which can be arrived at using various angles. These angles do not include the SlotBeater "recipe for disaster" advertised by KK. You will only lose even more following that trainwreck strategy.

1) Kasino King is a very well respected member of this community
2) Your posts come across in my view as outright trolling. Attacking another member of the forum is not cool.

I repeat, the fact that affiliates who advertise Martingale-style strategies as some form of legitimate way to beat slots....this represents a great deal about what is wrong with the online casino industry. This is not open to debate, btw. It's not an opinion. If you try to convince players they can beat Slots using a strategy that is completely sub-optimal - and you do this for commercial gain - it is indefensible.

2. I asked Bryan some time ago if I could bring this matter up on the forum, and he said he wouldn't dictate what I could and couldn't discuss - which is one of the traits I greatly admire in Bryan. I didn't address it because Bryan told me it was effectively dealt with so I saw no point in publicly bringing the issue to attention. I realised today that the issue required bringing to attention.

I think after all of JHV's posts here since he joined the forum, that he has already demonstrated on numerous occasions that he can't exercise restraint!

Player Advocacy and Ethical Behavior JHV? How do you offer this to your forum visitors at your forum and website? Why don't you go ahead and let everyone here know where your forum is located. ;)

Also what about all the peeps that lose tons of money playing at the poker room(s) that you yourself PIMP for? How do you feel about all of those that have lost the rent money by signing up thru your website to the poker room?

House cleaning first starts in your own house buddy!!:rolleyes:
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Another unprovoked attack. And baseless to boot. Robwin, I feel this entire thread is an example of my restraint, which is more than I can say for many of the posters opposing me (yet somehow no one is actually focusing on the issue at hand - you all seem intent on attacking me rather than discuss the ethical breach that is SlotBeaters.

I have no problem linking you to my forum. There you will see world-class poker players offering incredibly high-level strategy advice to new players. Anyone who tries to argue something as ridiculous as SlotBeaters would be laughed into oblivion.

I provide world-class, ethical rakeback to poker players. I pay players daily, months in advance of being reimbursed for their play by the poker rooms. My rakeback site is the pinnacle of ethical behaviour in every aspect of it's operations. You should probably choose another target to attack - you won't win attacking my business model. It's sub-optimally operated (in terms of profit margin) to guarantee optimal levels of ethics and service.
 
Another unprovoked attack. And baseless to boot. Robwin

Where's the attack? Where's the baseless aspect? You choose to opine, yet you offer no substantive basis to back up your claim!

I have no problem linking you to my forum.

Put your money where your mouth is then and let everyone else here know where it's located by posting your link to it here so the others here at Casinomeister can go over there and see how you experts run your forum!

There you will see world-class poker players offering incredibly high-level strategy advice to new players.

Yea, I've witnessed the "incredibly high-level strategy advice" first hand in Vegas at the high limit tables on many occassions...LOL

I provide world-class, ethical rakeback to poker players. I pay players daily, months in advance of being reimbursed for their play by the poker rooms.

That may be true but you still failed to answer my direct questions to you there. You are good at the spin though, bout as good as faux news at it actually.

My rakeback site is the pinnacle of ethical behaviour in every aspect of it's operations. You should probably choose another target to attack - you won't win attacking my business model. It's sub-optimally operated (in terms of profit margin) to guarantee optimal levels of ethics and service.

I'm sure your business model being "the pinnacle of ethical behaviour" is very much different in all aspects of that particular business model as compared to the thousands of other sites out there just like yours...correct? :rolleyes:
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I'm sure your business model being "the pinnacle of ethical behaviour" is very much different in all aspects of that particular business model as compared to the thousands of other sites out there just like yours...correct? :rolleyes:
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I'm sorry Rob, but you're clearly trolling now and I have no wish to get into a flame war with you.

I didn't realise I missed one of your questions. If you're referring to how do I feel about players that lose playing online poker who signed up for rakeback through my links - I don't see how that would cause rise to an emotion, I'm sorry. I guess it would be ideal if they weren't a losing player, and winning players never leave my rakeback site and generate high MGR month after month, but I can't control the intelligence level or skill of the thousands of players who get their rakeback through my site, so I care about as much as a new car salesman cares if they sell a new Toyota and the driver crashes it 3 months later driving drunk. It's just got nothing to do with me.

(Edit: If you're after an analogy that may help you understand this very simple issue, I'm the Toyota salesman who sells a brand new perfect Toyota to a customer, heavily discounted [discounted up to and over 1/3rd off the market price]. KK is the Toyota salesman who winds back the speedometer on a used car and then sells it claiming it is brand new at a price well above market value.)

What exactly is your point with this? If you can't see the difference, I can't continue discussing the issue with you.

And I'll only continue this discussion with you if you would be so kind as to respond with the equal respect I am displaying in my responses to you. It's not fair to come out with blind air swing accusations and then play all coy when I calmly point out that it's an unprovoked attack. Please - let's not insult each other.

And I'll only continue this discussion with you if you address the topic at hand first. Please read my OP and the arguments I've made and comment on those arguments and on the issue - after that, we can continue with your attempts to bait me.
 
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I have to say that I find myself sharing Max's antipathy to JHV's 'style' and occasionally have to stay my typing hand at some of his clearly troll-like behaviour, especially his frequent ploy of buttering up in one sentence only to stab maliciously in the next.

I suspect that for either personal or business reasons JHV craves attention...and he clearly has a great deal of time on his hands to attract it judging by these verbose and holier-than-thou posts in which he so often seeks to portray himself as the lone crusader for good in the industry.

I get particularly irritated by his continued implications that Casinomeister is failing in its duty to the player community, which I consider to be light years away from the truth.

In regard to his current diatribe, surely the courteous thing to do in this situation involving another member would have been to communicate privately and see what KK had to say before going balls-to-the-wall with what constitutes a virulent and public attack on the man and his personal strategy (extensive disclaimers and all :eek2:)

As one poster commented several posts back, it's not necessarily what JHV has to say, so much as the provocative manner in which he chooses to deliver his at times rather superiority complexed and self-indulgent thoughts.

Bryan's action against signatures appears to have particularly upset JHV, but we all know about the delays caused by some members objecting to that ruling, and Bryan's undertaking to finalise it eventually - but give the man a break, he's clearly working his ass off on other improvements for the members here.
 
I'm sorry Rob, but you're clearly trolling now and I have no wish to get into a flame war with you.

I didn't realise I missed one of your questions. If you're referring to how do I feel about players that lose playing online poker who signed up for rakeback through my links - I don't see how that would cause rise to an emotion, I'm sorry. I guess it would be ideal if they weren't a losing player, and winning players never leave my rakeback site and generate high MGR month after month, but I can't control the intelligence level or skill of the thousands of players who get their rakeback through my site, so I care about as much as a new car salesman cares if they sell a new Toyota and the driver crashes it 3 months later driving drunk. It's just got nothing to do with me.

I think you have just solved your own argument here regarding the reason for this thread in the first place.

Why would you hold KK to a different level of accountability than you hold yourself to here?

KK's strategies will work for some but not all as is true with all strategies in anything in life. I've used his strategies before myself with regards to playing the slots and they have worked for me at times and at other times I have lost my ass.

Was this clearly due to KK's strategies though, Hell No. I have always used similar types of slot strategies in my 20 plus years of gambling before I even read KK's, but mine and his are similar. The only difference is that I don't list mine on my website.

KK's slots strategies are his, no one else's. The website visitor who chooses to read them also has the free will to choose not to use them too. It works both ways as with most things in life that you will discover one of these days when you have maybe lived it another 20 or so years, since you obviously don't understand that concept right now.

You also chose again to not list your forum site, why is that?
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In regard to his current diatribe, surely the courteous thing to do in this situation involving another member would have been to communicate privately and see what KK had to say before going balls-to-the-wall with what constitutes a virulent and public attack on the man and his personal strategy (extensive disclaimers and all :eek2:)

As one poster commented several posts back, it's not necessarily what JHV has to say, so much as the provocative manner in which he chooses to deliver his at times rather superiority complexed and self-indulgent thoughts.

Bryan's action against signatures appears to have particularly upset JHV, but we all know about the delays caused by some members objecting to that ruling, and Bryan's undertaking to finalise it eventually - but give the man a break, he's clearly working his ass off on other improvements for the members here.

I'm interested in how you feel a private conversation between KK and I would have proceeded. Seriously. I'll play the part of me and you play the part of KK, alright? Just a hypothetical exercise:

Me: "Hi KasinoKing. I just read your SlotBeaters strategy. It's mathematically flawed in every possible way. It almost looks like it's designed to ensure players lose more money. I can mathematically prove that players will be WORSE off following your supposed strategy than if they just accepted the bonus and went gambling with it."

KK: ? (...that's you for this game - gogogo....)

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The reason everyone here is focusing on *how* I say what I'm saying rather than addressing the issue at hand is intriguing only in it's persistent and tiring repetitiveness as a strategy to deflect attention away from the issue.

Please address the issue. You're simply yet one more poster who has posted attacking me (unprovoked attack, yet again) and ignored / refused to comment on the issue I'm bringing to public discussion. Please do comment - I'm interested in everything anyone has to say - about the issue. Let's please focus on that.

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Bryan's actions against signatures was fantastic and wonderful for the long-term future of this forum and did not upset me at all. I'm assuming you mean they upset KasinoKing?

Yes, they did. Because Bryan's decision to temporarily limit signature affiliate links put an end to KasinoKing's business strategy - which is blatantly obvious. Look in Post 2 of this thread for an example. I can create a thread of dozens of pages of examples just like that - but I don't think that's necessary or required, is it? I think we can all accept that's the case and move on to....discussing the issue at hand?

Anyone?

Anyone?
 
I did read the whole discussion....and sorry JHV the only thing that comes to my mind is bla bla bla...

If it doesnt work for you then dont use it. Its as simple as that.
No need to open a topic about it, I think its not nice to flame a fellow casinomeister member.

I like the slotbeaters page and I think I am not the only one
 
I think you have just solved your own argument here regarding the reason for this thread in the first place.

Why would you hold KK to a different level of accountability than you hold yourself to here?

KK's strategies will work for some but not all as is true with all strategies in anything in life. I've used his strategies before myself with regards to playing the slots and they have worked for me at times and at other times I have lost my ass.

Was this clearly due to KK's strategies though, Hell No. I have always used similar types of slot strategies in my 20 plus years of gambling before I even read KK's, but mine and his are similar. The only difference is that I don't list mine on my website.

KK's slots strategies are his, no one else's. The website visitor who chooses to read them also has the free will to choose not to use them too. It works both ways as with most things in life that you will discover one of these days when you have maybe lived it another 20 or so years, since you obviously don't understand that concept right now.

You also chose again to not list your forum site, why is that?
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I'm sorry - I honestly don't know if I'm being leveled or not. Are you serious about comparing me with KasinoKing?

KasinoKing is blatantly lying to players with a bogus strategy that is, disturbingly ironically, WORSE for the players were they to follow it than if they'd never read it at all. The mathematics of it are so simple, they're not open to debate. I simply cannot debate junior high mathematics with you - I'm sorry. If you strongly feel that I'm just rambling about this, I'll have to request you make some kind of wager so that I'm certain you're not just toying with me about not understanding junior high maths.

I provide world-class online poker rakeback paid daily in advance (you know what rakeback is, right? I give my players almost ALL of the Rev Share) to players playing a game that can be played with positive expectation, if the player is x% better than the field where x = Rake Paid minus Rakeback

I do not provide players with bogus strategies which are terrible and mathematically ridiculous and full of lies, which can be proven by anyone with an IQ over 110.

I provide my players with cash. Lots of it. Directly from the Rev Share the online poker rooms give me for bringing players to their rooms. Whether they have the ability to beat their human opponents in a fluid game with thousands of variables in play is out of my control. For what it's worth, the vast majority of rakeback players are winning players - it's just the nature of the industry. Losing players don't go looking for that kind of extra edge to increase their winrate - losing players are flat-out just trying to not get smashed by an increasingly talented field.

You are trying to draw parallels here? Sorry Rob - that's really poor trolling and a very poorly argued response. I can't get into flame wars of this nature. They're not productive for either of us. I have no further wish to converse with you, on this forum or any other. No, I won't link you to a poker forum - strategy there is discussed literally 14 levels above your head, and I promise you I'm not saying that as an insult. Merely fact. We're all maths geeks there. You'd be ridiculed and I'd feel bad about that. Not everyone has my calm and Zen :cool:
 
I did read the whole discussion....and sorry JHV the only thing that comes to my mind is bla bla bla...

If it doesnt work for you then dont use it. Its as simple as that.
No need to open a topic about it, I think its not nice to flame a fellow casinomeister member.

I like the slotbeaters page and I think I am not the only one

You don't have to apologise. I'm not offended. But what you 'think' is logic is not. You will lose more following that strategy than if you simply took the bonus and went bouncing around randomly.

If that's ok with you, it's ok with me.

It wouldn't be ok for a lot of people though. They would feel cheated to discover this "respected industry figure" who appears so keen to help them every time they have a Slots question is really just showing them how to lose their money faster than if he never spoke to them at all.

In some industries, this would qualify as a scandal.

In this one, it seems to qualify as "off-topic". Mods, please can I request why discussion of the validity or otherwise of Slots and strategies to beat them is "Off-Topic" on a casino forum?
 
Excuse me,what's so special?

OP gives an expert view and tells obvious things in very (not pseudo) intelligent way.

Instead being praised and thanked in every his post he is called .... and....and...

Of cource,maybe somebody knows some horrible truth about him but...where is he rude?Why he is PITA? Troll?

Then it looks like if Wizard would write a post here telling that some things are not recommended(in his usual manner) and the very next second he receives several pages of negative posts.

Kinda :WHO THE F..R U to recommend me anyf...kingthing,HUH??!!???
 
I have no problem linking you to my forum.

So was this a blatant lie you stated here earlier then? How can we trust you now?

KasinoKing is blatantly lying to players with a bogus strategy

You keep stating this as fact but yet you have miserably FAILED to prove a damn thing, why don't you actually try to prove your theory here if you are capable of actually doing that!

The mathematics of it are so simple, they're not open to debate. I simply cannot debate junior high mathematics with you - I'm sorry.

Prove your point then and the reason for this thread instead of your continuous disparaging innuendos.

if the player is x% better than the field where x = Rake Paid minus Rakeback

That's a big "if" there as you should well know, that can work in the players favor or against as well.

I do not provide players with bogus strategies which are terrible and mathematically ridiculous and full of lies, which can be proven by anyone with an IQ over 110.

So prove to us all then that you do in fact have an IQ over 110, the last time I had mine tested it was 134 so I think I can hang with you here on this! :p

Whether they have the ability to beat their human opponents in a fluid game with thousands of variables in play is out of my control.

As is also true with KK's players regarding at what precise second they click that spin button regarding the outcome of the spin! Can't really figure you out here why you cannot see the similarities though.

You are trying to draw parallels here?

No, not trying at all...I have already proved the parallels. You just don't want to see them!

Sorry Rob - that's really poor trolling and a very poorly argued response. I can't get into flame wars of this nature. They're not productive for either of us.

Please stick to the issues here. No need for the extra sentence structure.

I have no further wish to converse with you, on this forum or any other.

Of course you don't, why would you want to converse with someone that can match you wit for wit and at the same or greater intelligence level. ;)

No, I won't link you to a poker forum - strategy there is discussed literally 14 levels above your head, and I promise you I'm not saying that as an insult. Merely fact. We're all maths geeks there. You'd be ridiculed

Now that's just mean and not nice at all...boo fooking hoo...:sob:
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Maybe you can post the proof on how KKs system fails so people can make up are own minds as to whether his system is flawed or not, at the moment we only have your word on it,
we are not all mathmatical geniuses but there are alot of intelegent people on this site that will know if what you say is true,

KK has always show that he has great ethics and morals when it comes down to promoting what he does and the way he does it, im sure if you can actually l prove his system is flawed then he would be the first to admit whether its wrong or not,
 
All I have to say here is prove the facts and let it go.
This is turning out like a new soap opera "One Life To Winning" or "One Life To Losing" or "One Life Of Someone's Strategy"
If people think that kk's strategy is good so be it.Let the people judge this for themselves.And in the long run they will find out You win some & you lose some.
To me I think it's all pure luck.:thumbsup:
If I had some type of strategy/system and I win win what am I doing here.I would be a millioniar and why would I waste my time on a forum.:lolup:
I don't understand all this crap "strategy/system"
We all think we know how to beat them in our own mind.
It's like that crazy book I have for $29.85 "How to win at slots"
I sold over 3 million as of today.:lolup:
(This book is not real I am just saying it)
Thank You
It's time to close this thread or prove the proof and move on.
 
I'm interested in how you feel a private conversation between KK and I would have proceeded. Seriously. I'll play the part of me and you play the part of KK, alright? Just a hypothetical exercise:

Me: "Hi KasinoKing. I just read your SlotBeaters strategy. It's mathematically flawed in every possible way. It almost looks like it's designed to ensure players lose more money. I can mathematically prove that players will be WORSE off following your supposed strategy than if they just accepted the bonus and went gambling with it."

KK: ? (...that's you for this game - gogogo....)

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The reason everyone here is focusing on *how* I say what I'm saying rather than addressing the issue at hand is intriguing only in it's persistent and tiring repetitiveness as a strategy to deflect attention away from the issue.

Please address the issue. You're simply yet one more poster who has posted attacking me (unprovoked attack, yet again) and ignored / refused to comment on the issue I'm bringing to public discussion. Please do comment - I'm interested in everything anyone has to say - about the issue. Let's please focus on that.

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Bryan's actions against signatures was fantastic and wonderful for the long-term future of this forum and did not upset me at all. I'm assuming you mean they upset KasinoKing?

Yes, they did. Because Bryan's decision to temporarily limit signature affiliate links put an end to KasinoKing's business strategy - which is blatantly obvious. Look in Post 2 of this thread for an example. I can create a thread of dozens of pages of examples just like that - but I don't think that's necessary or required, is it? I think we can all accept that's the case and move on to....discussing the issue at hand?

Anyone?

Anyone?


Why settle for a surrogate and hypothetical conversation when you could - and still can - communicate directly with the person who's reputation and strategy you are so seriously attacking - thus far without producing concrete evidence - something that you seem to feel is beneath you?

Or is this just another ploy to draw out the thread and the attention you have attracted to yourself?

In your typically arrogant fashion you continue to demand that we address your issue with KK and his system, but refuse to acknowledge that having put yourself out there in an abrasive public ambush on a fellow member, your attitude is itself rightfully liable to criticism.

And why the coyness over your site, on which you wax so lyrical - the reason that you offer for not providing this information having promised to do so somehow just doesn't ring true.
 
He isnt attacking KKs system, he just tells how horribly bad it is. Actually it is the worst I have ever seen. But the best way would have been to take it up with the man himself.

And he usually tries to "promote" it or telling that you can succeed playing slots (leading to his site) when there is an opportunity, at least thats the impression I get. Having a disclaimer at the end doesnt change it. The best would be that he tossed the strategy where it belongs..

Personally I dont have a beef with KK. I think some of the info on his sites are good (and especially entertaining) and I have downloaded one casino from his link (the Kasinoking site). And getting rid of the strategy wouldnt probably affect the success or popularity of Slotbeaters.
 
If a Martingale system were to work it would imply that the game was not random. I.E KasinoKing's strategy of increasing the bet size after x amounts of spins is flawed. The probability of hitting the feature is the same on spin 10 as it is on spin 150. In other words, the probability of hitting a feature is constant, and does not change after x amount of spins played.

I am not JHV, but I tried to explain it as easy as I could.


That beeing said, I don't have a beef with KK, and I find much of the other information on the site about reel layouts and such very usefull.
 
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