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KasinoKing's SlotBeater Strategy

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by JHV, Oct 22, 2009.

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    Oct 22, 2009
  1. JHV

    JHV <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

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    Hi KasinoKing,

    I followed your You must register/login in order to see the link. and lost a lot of money.

    I took it to a friend of mine who studied Maths A (very simple maths) in Grade 9 and he says children are able to understand that there actually isn't any 'strategy' here at all.

    He said that you're basically advertising a 'strategy' that is a fallacy. He pointed out that you even contradict yourself in the 'strategy' article when you say that every spin in random - but then appear to be advising a Martingale approach to wagering.

    I had to Google Martingale - and, although I'm not very bright (Pops needed help on the farm so I never did get no fancy book-learning), it seems to me that this 'strategy' is not really a 'strategy' at all. It's a pile of hooey, really. That's how it seems to me, anyway.

    Can I bother you for an explanation - perhaps I'm missing something. I've read the article 4 times word for word and can't see how it's anything but nonsense shabbily dressed as 'strategy'.

    Following your 'strategy' - I have lost a great deal of money. If it turns out that you actually are commercially advertising fraudulently, my friend says that recent changes in UK legislation means you can get in a lot of trouble for doing that - even prison time!

    I wasn't sure if you were aware of that - and thought it best to warn you as, even though your strategy appears to be a lot of hooey designed to take advantage of those not gifted in mathematics - I wouldn't like the po-po to win.

    My friend asked me why Bryan allows you to advertise such a fraudulent 'strategy' in your sig here on CasinoMeister. I explained that Bryan is simply too busy to monitor these things. My friend suggested I email Bryan about this - and I thought it was a bang-up idea - that way, nobody is publicly embarrassed, and the offending and deceiving material could be removed from a forum which is supposed to be a Player Advocate forum.

    I did that some time ago.

    And yet your sig advertising slots as being beatable remains.

    My friend said he doesn't think this site is really about Player Advocacy at all, if this kind of thing is allowed to happen. I told him to stop speaking rubbish - he clearly has no idea what he's talking about and I apologise for his rude assumptions.

    But you will pay me back for all the money I lost if I can prove that your Slot Beating strategy is not actually a strategy at all, right? I will, of course, have independent assessors look over this 'strategy' and determine it's validity.

    Of course, all that is probably not necessary. I'm sure I'm just doing something wrong. But I would like your personal guarantee that I didn't just lose a whole heap of money on a fraudulent lie - it would be good if you put your reputation behind that actually. Something like:

    I, KasinoKing, put my reputation behind the SlotBeater strategy I advertise. If found to be fraudulent as a 'strategy' for beating House Advantage, I will pull down all my fraudulent sites from the web and refund all the money I have made from pimping out this strategy to unsuspecting players who aren't experienced gamblers or who don't have a strong mathematical background.

    Surely this is only reasonable.

    Sincerely,

    JHV.

    ---------

    (Don't get up Max, I'll show myself to the door.)
     
  2. Oct 22, 2009
  3. JHV

    JHV <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

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    Maybe you're just here to make money off unsuspecting and inexperienced gamblers who come here because they believe that the CasinoMeister forum is a rare safe place in a world of scammers, liars, cheats and crooks.

    This would, of course, explain why you got so emotional when Bryan told everyone to remove their signature links.

    It would, also, explain why almost all of your posts are spam - just like the one above.

    The only thing I don't understand - is why Bryan allows it.
     
  4. Oct 22, 2009
  5. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account

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    JHV, i think you and your friend are full of a bunch of HOOEY, around my area, we call it BULLSHIT and that seems to be what your spewing:rolleyes:


    BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!..........laurie
     
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  6. Oct 22, 2009
  7. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    LOL

    JHV did you read this?

    Disclaimer

    The free information on this page & throughout the site is given in good faith for information purposes only.

    In no circumstances does SlotBeaters.com warrant that any person following instructions implicit or implied herein will win any amount from any online casinos.
     
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  8. Oct 22, 2009
  9. slotheadlizard

    slotheadlizard Senior Member

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    KK

    Not sure if you are being serious JHV, but if you are, two questions:
    Have you PMd KK, and are you your "friend"?

    *Don't get up Max-2 funny
     
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  10. Oct 22, 2009
  11. JHV

    JHV <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

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    The only bullshit is the 'strategy' KasinoKing is pimping out as logic. It's unethical, disgraceful and shameful.

    If you have an actual argument to offer rather than an insult, please present it. Otherwise, I don't really see why you'd involve yourself in this - "moral support"?

    Have you heard the legal term "accessory after the fact"? Don't enable unethical behaviour. It makes you almost as guilty as the perpetrator.

    Rats! :p

    Guess I won't be getting that refund then.

    Aren't 'disclaimers' and 'caveats' great? You can scam people and then point them to the fine print. Great invention imo.

    No, I have not PM'ed KK because I cannot see the purpose in doing so.

    "hey KK, do you know your 'strategy' for beating Slots is completely fraudulent?"

    "omg no way JHV! really? I'll look into that straight away!"

    sigh.

    The answer to your 2nd question is obv "Yes". ;)
     
  12. Oct 22, 2009
  13. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    I found another disclaimer at the site. Looks like your out of luck trying to recover any losses.


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  14. Oct 22, 2009
  15. tat00

    tat00 Experienced Member

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    I READ THIS POST AND I LAUGHED SO HARD READING THIS.
    please tell me u are joking.
    if not who the hell would give up a strategy to really make money?
     
  16. Oct 22, 2009
  17. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    Just a added side note here.

    JHV you got my vote for most entertaining person at this forum. You have funny and clever ways to get a point across. I think it would be sad if you were shown the door again. Many people here obviously won't agree with that statement, but yet I enjoy very much when your involved.
     
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  18. Oct 22, 2009
  19. gloria460

    gloria460 Meister Member

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    I was wondering where in the hell you were...good to see you posting again. LMAO at getting a refund from KK...ah peeps, don't take it so serious.
     
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  20. Oct 22, 2009
  21. bonustreak

    bonustreak Senior Member webmeister

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    Just a note that you may want to watch what your saying about KasinoKing, he has been in this business for quite a few years and is very well respected in the gambling industry. I think you should have read the disclaimer dude.
     
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  22. Oct 22, 2009
  23. jod5413

    jod5413 Is That Better?

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    I hope you mean "Entertaining" in a sick sort of way, 4 of a kind? Why JHV would bother a long time, reputable poster like KK is beyond me.

    It probably means that his Mama made him quit breast feeding at the age of 20 years.

    And yes, JHV, I realize that you will give me another neg rep telling me I am stupid. Go for it, [strike]Asswipe[/strike] (oops, there I go again, vicious flamer that I am).

    Gawd help me, it takes all kinds.
     
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  24. Oct 22, 2009
  25. JHV

    JHV <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

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    The losing money stuff was satire. I'm a professional gambler (although this year my gambling has been anything *but* professional) and have been for many, many years. I placed in top 2% of state maths competitions because I was a world-class geek at high school.

    My issue here is that CasinoMeister forum is supposed to be a haven from scams, deceit and unethical business practice.

    Do you think it's currently a haven for new gamblers who weren't maths geeks like I was or who don't understand the ins and outs of HA, variance and such?

    I PM'ed Bryan over this a month (?) ago. I like Bryan, I really do. I just *suspect* he's over-worked or otherwise too strung-out to worry about stuff like this - or perhaps it's incredibly complex due to his friendships with people like KK and various long-term relationships with casinos like InterCasino. But I think he should put someone on it - I'll work for free, flagging stuff like this that is completely unethical and out of line. Submitting lists to him of Casino Reps who consistently avoid responding to allegations of misconduct or who just use this forum to spam their products.

    This industry needs a forum that doesn't have these grey* conflict-of-interest spots. I was hoping CasinoMeister forum would be it, and I've given suggestions here and there and tried to pitch in to improve it in ways that deliver absolutely no personal reward or otherwise to myself - I'm just a hippie-idealist.

    *Anyone who thinks this SlotBeater issue is a 'grey' area is....lol. This is black-and-white ethics. As defined as it gets.
     
  26. Oct 22, 2009
  27. JHV

    JHV <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

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    Is there anyone here who actually cares about Player Advocacy and Ethical Behaviour?

    All I'm seeing is shills come out with rambling nonsense - no counter-arguments, no logical reasoning in refute of my points, nothing.

    (4 of a Kind excluded obv...)

    Will all the shills please actually try to create a counter-argument to the points I have made? So we can discuss the issue at hand?

    Specifically, that KK's SlotBeater strategy is pure garbage - based on nonsensical maths and arguments, designed to deceive those who don't have the ability to effectively analyse the validity of what he's claiming.

    Not only is this kind of advertising in breach of UK gambling legislation, it's immoral and hurts the victims who fall prey to it.

    How does it belong on a forum with this banner:

    [​IMG]
     
  28. Oct 22, 2009
  29. JHV

    JHV <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

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    The fact that someone who operates in this fashion can be "well respected in the gambling industry" is what is wrong with this industry.

    Bryan and CasinoMeister have been (and are believed to be) in direct opposition to operators who conduct themselves without ethics or any moral code.

    You think I should have read the disclaimer? I think you should read the UK gambling legislation and ask your lawyer whether tacking on a caveat or a disclaimer in fine print will protect you from prosecution.

    I'll save your time.

    It won't.
     
  30. Oct 22, 2009
  31. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account

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    I care about those issues JHV, i just dont see why all the insults and slandering are being posted by you, this is more like a smear attack against KK and his reputation imo, you call it a debate , i call it slander, im sure KK will post and deal with this and you soon..........l/j
     
  32. Oct 22, 2009
  33. JHV

    JHV <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

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    Have you read the SlotBeater Guide?

    Are you really going to make me do a Level 1 breakdown of how it's completely fraudulent and makes absolutely no mathematical sense yet is written in a style that would confuse some into believing that the author knows what they're talking about?

    I'll do this if you want. But if you make me do it, I will lose all respect I have for you as a person. This is like seriously NON-debatable stuff. The only debate is whether fraudulent 'strategies' which will only result in substantial losses long-term should be allowed to be pimped out by shills on a forum claiming to be a Casino Watchdog and Player Advocate service.

    Do you think such deceitful scamming articles should be allowed on such a forum?

    If you disagree that the article itself is deceitful and unethical, you need to return to Grade school mathematics for a refresher.

    Have a read of this WizardofOdds very, very basic explanation if you are truly confused:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    I don't mean to be insulting of other peoples' intelligence here - but seriously guys? You guys have all been in the industry for some time - are you seriously living in that prehistoric world believing betting systems with no mathematical basis have legitimacy? Can we debate the Tooth Fairy's existence next?
     
  34. Oct 22, 2009
  35. gloria460

    gloria460 Meister Member

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    I'm afraid I've only skimmed over it because I believe that you can't beat the system...I didn't know that you were dead serious about it. For the record this is a public forum and I believe that you and KK maybe should have done this in private if you were going to call him a scammer and such. If you wanted a serious discussion it could've been done in a better way on a public forum. The way you've worded your post now has posters taking sides instead of discussing the issues that you bring up. I also don't believe people should take pot shots at what you believe in either.

    I truly believe that he isn't trying to scam anyone and the system works for him.
     
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  36. Oct 22, 2009
  37. JHV

    JHV <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

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    If you truly believe this, would you also believe me if I told you that I have $1,000,000 waiting for you - you just gotta send me $10,000 first for administration fees?

    There are Nigerian Princes, lawyers for Princes and Lottery operators all over the world who would love to get their hands on your email address.
     
  38. Oct 22, 2009
  39. gambblex

    gambblex Expanding Wild

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    Just to remind:

    Progressive betting isn't just pointless or worthless.

    It's a kiss of death
     
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